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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: tokyoracer on March 17, 2008, 09:51:08 AM
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Very little has outraged me on the internet as much as this. eBay, with their new system theres nothing more to say appart from total s***e. It's my Dad's 50'th today so I wanted to get him a present, It just so happens hes into HiFi so I thought id get him a nice mains cable. It's such a specialised market that the only way to view all the exact ones I am after is to view by catagory, so I tried to do it like before and no luck. The catagory's now are now just keywords so it's full of useless crap listings (mostly ads and computer cables). So I then thought to do it via the links on top of the listing's showing its exact catagory path but it just searches keywords again.
Im just p****d now because it's so slow, complicated and now it doesn't work. Great... :madashell:
Anyone here agree?
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Ebay rocks i find everything there here is an example (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=nordost&category0=)
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Yes, the new system is a piece of... well, it rhymes with "hit". Tried it, couldn't do anything, removed browser cookies and went back to the old system. Absolutely ridicilous.
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You just now realized this? eBay is a scam.
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eBay pisses me off every day.
I much prefer Amazon these days.
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HopperJF wrote:
eBay pisses me off every day.
I much prefer Amazon these days.
When is Cloanto going to sell AF on Amazon? when????? :-?
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When is Cloanto going to sell AF on Amazon? when????? :-?
Amazon nowadays sucks... A few years ago they were the first to receive all of the new releases in games/movies/software. Now, they often lag way behind retail stores and have much higher prices.
For instance, last summer I was eagerly awaiting Worms Open Warfare 2 for the PSP, and I had preordered it on Amazon. I cancelled the preorder 7 days after the release date as not only they didn't have any copies in stock, but it was more expensive than Futureshop, HMV, etc.
So in the end I just picked it up from my local store. Amazon didn't get its copy for at least two months after the release date. The same goes for games like Guitar Hero, Rockband, etc, etc... And as for the rare stuff they once had, now it's more likely I am going to be able to find a rare book in Chapters than Amazon...
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Ok this is VERY odd... I was using different PC's and at home it's the old style. What's going on??? :-?
@ Adonay, I got there after the issue but on a different PC. Let's hope it stays like that, forever.
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alenppc,
The best place to find rare books is abebooks.com. Their selection puts amazon to shame, and you can find stuff that's quite rare and some even of historical significance. At one point, the SF writer Tim Powers sold his entire collection of Philip K. Dick novels inscribed to him by the author. However, at about $5000 per book it put most of it out of my price range...
There are also good deals to be found there by other dealers who simply deal in used books by volume and don't bother to check rarity, so it's always possible to get a good find.
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It seems now im getting this new eBay layout at home now. Wonderful... :madashell:
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Never had a problem with eBay, I buy something I get it and thats it.
Mike.
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I never had problem with eBay (till now)... 8-)
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@tokyoracer,
I feel you pain. It was much easier to search by "category:vintage computers" to capture pretty much all the Amiga, Atari, Commodore, etc., you know what I mean.
After the ebay change I found that I was missing auctions due to the lack of my search scope, so I had to be more inquisitive with my searches. I have set up an advanced search that includes those systems I follow auctions on.
Just go to advanced search up top and detail your search, then save it. It has worked for me. Hang in there........ ;-)
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@ Firedawg,
But you have to keep going back to that or if you search on the top bar again it goes back to ordanary search!
Om complaining and PLEASE, anyone else who feels my pain, take the time and express your feelings via e-mail. eBay, WHY CHANGE IT IF IT WAS FINE BEFORE!?!? :madashell:
{EDIT} Oh wait, you can't contact them and just give them your views anymore (generally), there's only an FAQ system now. Just telling how to get round unnessasaraly complicated issues by clicking this, clicking on that and typing this in and so on... Great.
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I wouldn't say useless, more like crippling expensive for sellers.
PLUG (http://stores.ebay.com/Reds-Retro-Computing-Extravaganza)
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tokyoracer wrote:
Om complaining and PLEASE, anyone else who feels my pain, take the time and express your feelings via e-mail. eBay, WHY CHANGE IT IF IT WAS FINE BEFORE!?!? :madashell:
I'm not complaining. I still have the old categories, no problems at all.
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I had that issue meega, but now I got that new layout home and away.
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I don't.
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redrumloa wrote:
I wouldn't say useless, more like crippling expensive for sellers.
Especially now that ebay has decided to remove all other forms of paying/receiving funds to Paypal only. Australia is the first country they're doing this in. After June the only way to buy or sell on ebay will be through Paypal. No more cheques, direct deposit, COD or any other payment method. And since Ebay owns Paypal, they're in effect double dipping. They not only get their ebay fees, they force sellers to go through Paypal, and so they get a slice there too. No wonder ebay tried tooth and nail to acquire Paypal. They wanted to get around third line forcing regulations.
{bleep}s :madashell:
No more Feebay for me.
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Using eBay is not pleasurable. For a start, BUYERS themselves screw the potential to purchase things at a reasonable price because of their sheer lack of patience. It's not just the "rare" hard to find items which go for extortionate prices, it's also the common stuff that gets over inflated because dumb ego-maniacs bid items beyond what they're actually worth. I've seen entire pages of the SAME item, all ending within hours of each other, being pushed beyond their true value and it's like the dumb bidders cannot see that there are the EXACT same item available to bid on in other auctions. They all scramble for the one that's ending soonest, thus unnecessarily inflating each item's price. It's pathetic.
Thankfully, most of these idiots are the types who'd never pickup a book, so I tend to find lots of great reading material on eBay and rarely get out-bid on those. Also, stuff like puzzles, classic movies are easy to pickup at good prices. Basically, anything that requires a brain is dirt-cheap on eBay.
eBay and PayPal have a monopoly ONLY because of the fact that we sheep refuse to use the alternatives, so they can do what the hell they like and charge what they like. Other services ARE available, such as Amazon and payment transfer services like MoneyBookers, etc, but the majority of people are either unaware of these alternatives or are simply too lazy/scared to want to migrate from eBay.
Although I do dislike eBay intensely, I find people who continue to use the service while at the same time moaning about it pretty ridiculous. If you truly don't like eBay then the solution is simple: do not use it! Maybe if we all began to use the alternatives, others would also follow and then eBay would be FORCED to play fair in all aspects of the service they provide (charges, customer support, payment methods, etc) :-o
I guess it's a matter of "put-up or shut-up" :-)
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Giggles.... sorry. Not if you use an old browser. The page is just the same as ever... Explorer 5.5 and Win98. I use this old tin box to get stuff for the Miggy. Ebay have a warning message telling me to upgrade... er don't think so. I don`t even have flash on here... Don`t get pestered with the utter dross they load onto modern browsers/pages. I can almost hear the websites owners scratching their heads... ' My god he's using IE 5.5 '. You can't believe the crap I avoid this way. You can avoid it... but means going backwards.
scuzz
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com
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One of the biggest culprits is Flash. Its only purpose in most pages is to advertise: notice there is no option to turn it off once it starts playing. Thats why un-install it.
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You can of course use more complicated searches with exclusions. Prefixing a search parameter with "-" will exclude them.
Me, I just search all categories and narrow down my search with a mixture of exclusions and wildcards.
Also consider using google to find brand names and then search for that.
It just so happens hes into HiFi so I thought id get him a nice mains cable
No-one on ebay is going to use terminology like "mains cable". To be honest I am suprised you didnt get a load of power cables ;-)
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AHA! It has the old layout on IE6 (I hate 7) but in FireFox, it's diferent. That's not so bad. :-)
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I have the old style in Firefox.
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Slightly off sideways as it were... But I guess as long as the MS OS allows registry changes to its operating system from the simple action of clicking a web page I guess its a busted system.... Just spent a morning cleaning up an office machine which had been protected by Symantec Corporate and Adaware Professional. Plus the usual hardware blocks... Trouble is there is no accounting for the office idiot and all these apps like Messenger... Honestly..!!
As to Firefox and IE7... I'll say one thing. Tabs. Plays havoc with my local pages on my own intranet.. Doesn`t work sadly, so I stay old style. I do use Firefox for YouTube cus I like UnPlug for the FLVs.
Aweb and Ibrowse still serve me very well on the Amiga, But then I'm not into online chat, download sites and interactive content... unless you can call email groups and forums chat... and I guess Aminet, your mass media download facility... :-)
scuzz
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com
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Windows seems to be plagued by people writing enough viruses to keep several companies employed (McAffee, Norton, etc).
The security vulnerabilities are numerous and I don't think that Microsoft wants the total number each year published from a Public Relations point of view. I think there were something near sixty patches one year.
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I have 162 $NtUninstallKB... folders in my main Windows folder, 79 of them are since March 2007.
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You must have seen the Apple add for security.. In response to identifying the flaws in the Vista OS the PC Security guy states..
' You are coming to a sad realisation.. Cancel or allow '
PC replies... ' Allow '
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n4mdcXa8B0
Does make me giggle.
scuzz
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com
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Yeah I wondered when this would turn from an attack ebay thread to attack Microsoft thread..
You guys are wrong about this, and I'd direct you to these statistics..
Here are some statistics from Jeffrey Jones Report. I suggest you sit down and read the entire report. You will see that this isn't political, but a fair and honest assessment. It's just tracking of the numbers of patches/vulnerabilities and what actually happened. You can download it right
HERE... (http://blogs.technet.com/security/attachment/2772991.ashx)
For those who want to read the reality of this..
These graphs tell the story (and these are just recorded numbers of the actual number of reported exploits/vulnerabilities that were made public by all of the companies.. There are a number of non-public updates from each, but this tells the story, they couldn't make this up..
(http://www.donburnett.com/images/blog/InterestingTidbitsfromJeffreyJonesWindow_DC02/vulnerabilities1_thumb.png)
(http://www.donburnett.com/images/blog/InterestingTidbitsfromJeffreyJonesWindow_DC02/vulnerabilities2_thumb.png)
As you can see from the graphs RedHat and Ubuntu had the most and Apple well, this is year one comparison..
The facts speak for themselves, Apple OS X 10.4 was worse than Vista build 6000 for patches during it's first year...For reported problems that saw public updates (these are the numbers for public updates that were pushed to customers)..
You guys need to get the facts straight about all of this.. Advertising doesn't always hold up to reality..
If you still don't believe this..
Check out this computerworld/Yahoo article..
Who Patches Bugs Faster Microsoft or Apple.. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20080329/tc_pcworld/143957)
QUOTE:
"Researchers from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology looked at how many times over the past six years the two vendors were able to have a patch available on the day a vulnerability became publicly known, which they call the zero-day patch rate.
They analyzed 658 vulnerabilities affecting Microsoft products and 738 affecting Apple. They looked at only high- and medium-risk bugs, according to the classification used by the National Vulnerability Database, said Stefan Frei, one of the researchers involved in the study.
What they found is that, contrary to popular belief that Apple makes more secure products, Apple lags behind in patching.
"Apple was below 20 [unpatched vulnerabilities at disclosure] consistently before 2005," Frei said. "Since then, they are very often above. So if you have Apple and compare it to Microsoft, the number of unpatched vulnerabilities are higher at Apple."
It's generally good for vendors to have a software fix available when a vulnerability is disclosed, since hackers often try to find out where the problem is in order to write malicious software to hack a machine.
For a vendor to have a patch ready when the bug is detailed in public, it needs to get prior information from either its security analysts or external ones. Otherwise the vendor has to hurry to create a patch, but that process can be lengthy, given the rigorous testing needed to test the patch to ensure it does not conflict with other software.
Apple only started patching zero-day vulnerabilities in late 2003, Frei said. " ...
"However, the study proved to be such a glowing affirmation of Microsoft's increased focus on security in the past few years that it prompted Cushman to ask Frei, "Did Microsoft fund this research?"
"This is independent academic research," Frei replied."
The sad realization is Apple's TV ads are fun but LIE about many things.. By the way I love OSX and own a Mac Mini in addition to a number of PCs (including my new Core2Quad, with GeForce 9600GTX), I just want to keep this "REAL" in everyone's mind.. The facts are the facts and I don't really see one OS as being more secure as the other with proof that can be demonstrated.
Of course Swiss Federal is not a USA based organization. I just live in the USA, you could attack Swiss Federal but would they lie? That have an impeccable reputation for honesty.
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35 are since August 2007.
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Giggles... Worried are we. Should be. I just spent the whole weekend irradicating cmdservice and Network Monitor from an XP machine and I would beg to differ. Took me numerous goes with a mass of time on internet forums and tech help that would suggest your claims are utterly bogus. I have a Mac here also, and Win98 and Amigas and I get not one of jot of the problems I get with an XP machine... God help me if I have to use a Vista machine. Sorry, but experience and use is my best guide. And sorry, I have already spent far far too long this weekend with MS thankyou.
If the world of MS is so rosy why is the internet filled [ filled ] with logs from Hijack This.
scuzz
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com
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PS On that XP and MS thang
I would only criticize something if it were worthy of criticism and I have a desk littered with the debris of notes and guidance notes on file checks, registry changes, script deletions, tech help sites, logs, bogus dll name, removal tools, advice on how to instigate changes etc etc etc etc and no end of reboot sessions... and yes that annoys me. Especially as I just want to use the computer. However, I switch the Mac on and it works.... I switch the Amiga on and it works... and even this Win98 machine. You tell me whether something deserves criticism. This is not a bashing session it is ' a sad realisation ' and what's even more sad is that ... It didn't have to be this way. The good guys ' lost '
scuzz
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Maybe you should experience Windows beyond XP.. The fact is XP service pack 2 was a rewrite of XP aimed at fixing a lot of the security issues. It was such a problem that happened, that Vista/Windows Server 2008 was totally rewritten from the ground up.
My claims are from bogus, and I dare you to "experience" it for yourself. As you see the momentum with this start to change and people opinions change, then I will have to say "I told you so". You'll be behind the 8 ball on this.
It's interesting you mention you have a Win98 machine. Windows 98 has been discontinued from support for nearly 3 years now. I wouldn't keep 98 on any machines, simply it can't be made secure.
If you were using Vista you would have have never seen either of those things you mentioned with XP, or see them even finding their way onto the machine. It's simply not vulnerable to anythin you mentioned. Also, the new reliability monitor would have easily have identified anything that could have crept in.
Your "experience and use" doesn't even mention you have ever had Vista running with the current release (SP1), so how do you even know? You know making an "assumption" isn't really fair or balanced and usually leads to problems. That's simple problem solving 101.
Vista is the most secure OS out there especially with Service Pack 1 and Windows Server 2008 (which it's based on)..
The fact is HijackThis logs are mostly people running XP (a lot if you look at .DLLs versions listed aren't even SERVICE PACK 2.
Since moving from XP to Vista (nearly 2 years ago myself) I haven't had virus, or malware to worry about..
If you want to know how secure Vista is versus XP and anything else check out this book, it's a free download.. Remember when you also talk about Vista, it's basically the same codebase now (down to the kernel) as Windows Server 2008. So I'd just question how secure you think that is..
You need to move away from XP, it will give you a lot more free time..
Vista Security Guide Free Download.. (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=A3D1BBED-7F35-4E72-BFB5-B84A526C1565&displaylang=en)
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I hate it when MAC users go upto me and say they can get virus's cuz' thats just bulls**t, the fact of the matter is that they are rarer mosly becuse people prefer to hate Bill Gates rather then whoever owns Apple these days. Plus I hear it's harder to program virus's on Macs apparently but they are about and because MR.Mac user hasn't got anything to stop them he will get a huge surprise one day.
Mind you I think Vista is more crap then the latest Apple OS but as both have so many issues right now i'm staying put. XP has developed into a really nice system and I hope to keep it that way for years to come.
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Goodness me... You seem to be missing the point here. Do you understand the term ' If it ain`t broke '. I am typing this on a Win98 machine. It works fine. It is not infected with anything. It runs smoothly without interuption and does everything I need. I have a complete duplicate of this machine in a box just in case it fails. As long as I can use this in the way I intended... why would I change. You fail to mention that for me to use Vista I would need all new hardware. I would only do that if I got something worth the expenditure, and sorry modern PCs are like food without taste. At least the Mac is honest to it's hardware. And my Mac is working just fine. Has managed to bridge various OS upgrades without the need to replace everything. Works perfectly, always has, always will. As to the Amigas well these represent the glory days of computing when things were done properly so I have absolutely no worries there. So you see I get by with kit and OSs that were developed to my accepted perameters that function perfectly and to a standard that need none of the fixes you suggest. Honestly, why would I risk my passion on an OS that needs ' all new kit ' to function. Vista should work, shouldn`t it ? I mean its been in development for so long, and given the resources and money at MS disposal it would be insulting to suggest anything else. Trouble is when the cracks appear the hackers will be in in a jot. I care not. I have far more time for the lovers of classic and developers of really interesting kit like say the MiniMig. Cus here we have real computer enthusiasts. Hopefully we can keep the flag flying on classic for my lifetime at least. As to Vista Nahhh!!! Not ready to quit on computing just yet.
scuzz
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com
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I have had a mac and a pc in recent months and I have to say my mac has given me far less problems, seems generally more stable, quicker and, this in spite of having on paper inferior hardware.
My pc seemed to forever crash and experience major lag, while getting slower by the day, while my apple seems to have pretty much stayed the same. This is, though, only my experience.
Anyway this thread is baout ebay's new listings which I also find irritating.
Anyway if you go to shop.ebay.com there will be an option to opt out of this new scheme. However for uk users if you go back to the uk ebay it will revert to the new search if you return straight away. To avoid this I have to empty my cache and it seems to work, although I do have to repeat the process every few days.
Hope this is of use to someone.
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I'd say OS X is more secure than any version of Windows both in concept and implimentation. It is a real slick and sound version of Unix and it improves on the already excellent security of Unix with quite a few tricks of it's own. The amount of vulneralbilities patched is not a true measure of how secure a system really is. Windows fails because, even though it can be secured, this ends up being a real pain to the user while it is graceful and transparent in OS X so users aren't pained by security and don't turn off key security features because they are annoyed by them. They don't even notice them at all which is the way good security should work.
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Yeah, ebay sucks so bad that I managed to pick up a NIB A500 there a few months back... for $25 :-P
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scuzzb494 wrote:
I can almost hear the websites owners scratching their heads... ' My god he's using IE 5.5 '.
You are not as special as you may think. I see browsers reporting to be IE 3.01 often enough, not to mention early versions of Netscape. And personally, I know of several people using Windows 3.x and IE 3.01 or an old MacOS with Netscape Navigator. Given that, I tend to believe my web statistics.
You can't believe the crap I avoid this way. You can avoid it... but means going backwards.
Possibly, but I also avoid a lot of crap by using Firefox with a standard complement of plug-ins. Especially useful for MySpace, eBay, and various news sites. Local TV sites are the absolute worst for being overly busy and chock full of advertisements. Well, maybe not as bad as fr33 pr0n sites, but you get the point.
Of course, you are not a man unless you browse with Lynx. You REALLY beat the crap using that!
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Ami_GFX wrote:
The amount of vulneralbilities patched is not a true measure of how secure a system really is. Windows fails because, even though it can be secured, this ends up being a real pain to the user while it is graceful and transparent in OS X so users aren't pained by security and don't turn off key security features because they are annoyed by them. They don't even notice them at all which is the way good security should work.
Do you mean un-patched vulnerabilities? Check the rap sheets and you will notice that OSX and Windows have a similar number of vulnerabilities. I see your point about transparent security, and there is an article on either /. or El Reg which talks about how Microsoft deliberately made UAC to annoy users in order make them more aware of security, but it had the opposite effect overall. :crazy:
In this year's "Pwn to Own" contest, the Mac OSX laptop fell first. Mind you none of the laptops hacked fell on the first day, which was attempts to compromise the operating system. While the operating systems themselves have a number of ways to break them, a great number of vulnerabilities are due to bad software or drivers.
If you are running Windows, check out Secunia's PSI scanner. It tells you what software you are running. http://psi.secunia.com
EDIT: I cut my sentence short. The PSI scanner tells you what software you are running which may be insecure by way of known vulnerabilities, end-of-life, or otherwise. It has a LOT of software in its database, and in most cases can send you directly to the update download. Finally, an all-in-one update solution!