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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: ematech on March 15, 2008, 04:07:18 PM
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Buy Amiga Inc. ?
I think is possible.
Bill don't have a long term plan for the cash income.
Legal auctions is money loss for him.
A technology fund can make an offer of 3.000.000 Euro.
Do you think Bill will go home?
i hope.............
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Even if Bill wanted to sell and you could get the money to buy it would it actually be worth buying??
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ematech wrote:
Buy Amiga Inc. ?
I think is possible.
It is not. Amiga, Inc. is probably some kind of tax dodge. They'd no more sell to you than you'd sell the roof off of your house. I mean, if you offered them ridiculous, Microsoft levels of cash for it? Sure, maybe. But it's worth more to them as a legal foil they can wave around and do nothing with than as any kind of a functioning computer company.
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wasnt the asking price from amiga inc $10-20 millions or something?.... i guess they sell at that price tag, so anyone that have the money please buy it now!
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@A1260
According to AI, there never was an "asking price".
My last point concerns a recent post about another company making offers for Amiga. This is categorically false. A bona fide offer was never received. Amiga received a letter that asked for our financials. In the phone conversation that followed, we explained to the contact at the other company our current valuation based on the last round of funding we had completed, and then gave them the current valuation on the round that is in the process of closing, and we were told that there was no way they could even get close to those numbers.
Source: http://amiga.com/news/index.php?art=32
The talk of an offer was discussed in this thread in August, 2007. (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=23931&forum=2&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0)
Current "imaginary" valuation is said to be over 200 million USD.
#6
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Current "imaginary" valuation is said to be over 200 million USD.
On the other hand, a real-world evaluation is around $200 USD. :-D
But only if they've still got that Walker prototype somewhere in their office.
If not, they should consider swapping their company for a boxed Guitar Hero III game running on a platform of their choice (micro$oft xbox, no doubt, knowing Bill).
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A1260 wrote:
wasnt the asking price from amiga inc $10-20 millions or something?.... i guess they sell at that price tag, so anyone that have the money please buy it now!
With the current Euro to Dollar exchange-rate, I think a smart German or Italian could pick it up for about 5 euro ;-)
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the best enemy of Amiga computer is the owner of Amiga
that's incredible !
:madashell: :madashell: :madashell: :madashell: :madashell: :madashell:
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amiga_3k wrote:
A1260 wrote:
wasnt the asking price from amiga inc $10-20 millions or something?.... i guess they sell at that price tag, so anyone that have the money please buy it now!
With the current Euro to Dollar exchange-rate, I think a smart German or Italian could pick it up for about 5 euro ;-)
And he would still be screwed...
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number6 wrote:
Current "imaginary" valuation is said to be over 200 million USD.
If I had that kind of money I wouldn't bother buying Amiga, I'd hire a small but talented group of hardware and software engineers and have them design a new computing system, taking the best ideas from previous computer systems as well as some useful new ideas.
I hope Amiga Inc go bankrupt soon. Mobile platforms like Google Android will hopefully become successful soon and make it harder for Amiga Inc to compete.
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50p plus a full set of 1989 batman gum stickers
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Hmm, I could swap a ZX81 for it :crazy:
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From the Game show on Robocop (1st Movie)
"I'll buy that for a Dollar"
Edit
opps missed a letter off :-D
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What is needed here is some one that actually cares for Amiga and not some one who will hold onto something doing nothing.
To be honest if I had the money to do the job I would do it properly never mind others saying its not worth it. If we all had that attitude nothing in the world would ever get done.
The Amiga is worth it, why?
Well look at it this way when the Amiga first came to the world it was advanced way beyond any PC at that time, so if the right people was there to carry it no with it would be so very different to day.
So yes the Amiga is worth it. But the trouble is so many people get there hopes up and then get disappointed, this goes on and on.
We don't need some one holding onto something that does nothing, this is totally useless to the Amiga world.
We have some one who don't give a {bleep} for the Amiga it seem's to me
There has to be some one out there with the power to do some thing about this, never mind all the ohhhhh well Microsoft is top dog.
The technology is out there so is the money its just the person holding the keys. There is no common sense to what is happening its the one who is holding the keys to the problem that cant see it.
F**k am I angry at this.
And I think right now there are to many people with a couldnt care less attitude, cant say as I blame them really, but it don't help.
Mike.
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come on guys, sensible offers please ...
I can swap my BPPC with BVision.
You know it can run OS4 ! :lol: :crazy: :-P
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swift240 wrote:
And I think right now there are to many people with a couldnt care less attitude, cant say as I blame them really, but it don't help.
I think you'll find people do care what happens to Amiga, but not to Amiga Inc.
IMHO, only a few things that Amiga Inc owns are of any major interest to the Amiga community. These are:
1. OS4
2. Kickstart
3. ECS & AGA (patent for OCS has already expired)
We already have ways to get around the problem of the three Amiga products/technologies being held hostage by Amiga Inc:
1. MorphOS & AROS (modern Amiga inspired operating systems)
2. Cloanto
3. Minimig, CloneA, NatAmi
So why worry about Amiga Inc?
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It just annoys me to think that the Amiga could have been so much more.
But I guess there are idiots in every company.
And its the idiots that dragged the Amiga down.
Mike.
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Current "imaginary" valuation is said to be over 200 million USD.
That's ludicrously absurd. Gateway bought Amiga for what, $5million or so? How much did Amino get it for from Gateway? And they've driven public perceived value very deeply into the ground since McEwen and Fleecy have had it.
IMSHO, there's no F-ing way it's truely worth anything more than a million or two $ anymore. Anything higher than that is complete and total utter B.S. and nothing else. I don't care about their stupid Prokom stock games or other valuation gimmicks. They've seriously damaged the brand name reputation, their DE flagship product is a dismal failure, and they turned their backs on their user community and the products we wanted. If Bill and friends think it's worth more than a couple mil today, then they are seriously retarded and surely need full-time care to wipe up their drool and change their diapers.
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ematech wrote:
Buy Amiga Inc. ?
Sure, and then what? I bet you'd be in the same boat as it is now.
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I read that Gateway bought Amiga because Commodore held the patent to the two button mouse and they wanted it.
I think if Amiga came out with a limited production run of any of the old models with the exception of the Pet and maybe the Vic-20, I think they could still make money selling the C-64, C-128, Amiga 1200, etc but the problem they would face is getting a drive since Kodak bought Chinon but they could be replaced by SD (Secure Digital)cards or something similar. Aren't there enough diehards that would buy two or three and put them away in a closet somewhere? I think there is still enough educational value in them for children.
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ChuckT wrote:
I read that Gateway bought Amiga because Commodore held the patent to the two button mouse and they wanted it.
Xerox Star was released in 1981 and had a two button mouse, no Commodore computers before that time had a mouse AFAIK, so I think you've been misinformed.
ChuckT wrote:
I think if Amiga came out with a limited production run of any of the old models with the exception of the Pet and maybe the Vic-20, I t.hink they could still make money selling the C-64, C-128, Amiga 1200
I think you're getting confused between Commodore and Amiga. They are now two seperate companies. Amiga Inc do not own the rights to C64, C128, etc... I do agree there is a market for retro computing, so they could make money off releasing a device like the C64DTV:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C64_Direct-to-TV
I think the CloneA project will end up producing a C64DTV-like device, but I doubt Amiga Inc are interested in funding its development. It seems they are only interested in working with Microsoft products (Windows Mobile and .NET) and clearly do not care about the Amiga community (beyond getting complete control of OS4).
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@ChuckT
I read that Gateway bought Amiga because Commodore held the patent to the two button mouse and they wanted it.
That's nonsense. Commodore did, however, have patent (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=16&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=amiga.ASNM.&OS=AN/amiga&RS=AN/amiga) to toggling a menu selection while keeping the menu open. This patent expired recently.
Note: the patent claim includes very wide range of things. However, as far as I know everything else than this selection toggling had prior art and thus was unenforceable.
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Piru wrote:
@ChuckT
I read that Gateway bought Amiga because Commodore held the patent to the two button mouse and they wanted it.
That's nonsense. Commodore did, however, have patent (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=16&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=amiga.ASNM.&OS=AN/amiga&RS=AN/amiga) to toggling a menu selection while keeping the menu open. This patent expired recently.
Note: the patent claim includes very wide range of things. However, as far as I know everything else than this selection toggling had prior art and thus was unenforceable.
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/gatepate.html
Why did Gateway buy the Amiga?
For two years no one knew why Gateway had bought the Amiga. The majority opinion indicated that the purchase was purely for the patents rather than through any decision that the Amiga should be bought back from the dead. Dave Haynie, former Commodore engineer and now working at Met@box illustrated this on the Team AMIGA mailing list.
Opinions vary, but clearly, the $4M they plunked down was worth it just for the patent portfolio. Patents are important bargaining chips in these lawsuit-crazy times, as well as for more mundane things, like signing cross-licensing deals rather than paying cash for the use of some "invention" (in these days of serious numbers of bogus patents, I use that term loosely). Gateway, doing none of their own development, was particularly at risk.
Two years after the purchase Carl Sassenrath revealed what had led Gateway to buy the Amiga. In an interview with Linux World he commented,
"The technology which was sold to Gateway was primarily a deal to buy the patent on the 2-button mouse... That is why Gateway bought Amiga -- but then they got... thousands of emails asking if they were going to relaunch the Amiga. So they figured, 'why not?'"
So Commodore had the patent on the two-button mouse all along. Who would have guessed that the old giant owned the patent for such a common computer tool?
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If this was the reason then Gateway well deserved to get bust. Multiple buttons had prior art, the patent would never had stuck in court.
Again, AFAIK the only part of the patent that didn't was the actual usage of the two buttons to manipulate menus.
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ChuckT wrote:
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/gatepate.html
Two years after the purchase Carl Sassenrath revealed what had led Gateway to buy the Amiga. In an interview with Linux World he commented,
"The technology which was sold to Gateway was primarily a deal to buy the patent on the 2-button mouse... That is why Gateway bought Amiga -- but then they got... thousands of emails asking if they were going to relaunch the Amiga. So they figured, 'why not?'"
To put it bluntly, Carl Sassenrath (talented though he is) is talking out of his ar*e here. Take a look at the patent for yourself:
US Patent for multi-button mouse (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7233318.PN.&OS=PN/7233318&RS=PN/7233318)
According to the Internet, there were 47 patents relating to the Amiga (17 of which were in video). However, none of the sources I found listed these patents. Does anyone know where we can see a list?
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Why anyone would care to buy A Inc ?
The Amiga name is not that strong anymore, let's face it. We are few today, and relaunching the brand in the market would be no advantage.
The technology is old. The Amiga was revolutionary, but today almost, if not all, features have better versions.
So, if one would drive into developing a product as revolutionary today as the Amiga was in the 80`s, it would be better to pick a new name and do what the original Amiga team did at that time.
Whateaver is the amount of money A-Inc would charge, it would be better spent in engineering.
Anyway, I offer 2 bucks and a beer cap for A-Inc :-D It is a fair price :-D (I hope it pays the bus ticket back to home to Bill McEargh...)
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perhaps we should tell this fellow below to talk some sense into bill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhHP3hP_0Pg
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alenppc wrote:
But only if they've still got that Walker prototype somewhere in their office.
Nope, both prototypes are accounted for.
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We get quite a few posts from people asking how much their old amiga kit is worth, so can we be sure the OP isn't good old bill himself seeing if anyone's interested in buying amiga? :lol:
Seriously amiga have destroyed the brand name and the goodwill that used to be attached to amiga, they have destroyed any expectation or demand that amiga be revived and split the comunity into at least 4 camps, os3, os4PPC, os4classic, emulation and aros.
Amiga Inc do not own any IP of interest to the Amiga community, so there is nothing of any value to buy.
Alexh's offer seems very generous to me.
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Amiga burst onto the seen with advanced technology and died an early death. It's the Elvis of personal computers! There never was a survival strategy, and even if there was it wouldn't have worked. The only non-MS compatible computer company to survive that era is Apple, and they survived because of Steve Jobs and a small investment for MS.
I'll repeat that THERE WAS NO WINNING STRATEGY. There is no winning strategy today to bring Amiga back. There is no way Amiga could catch up with Apple or MS, and catching up isn't good enough to generate customer, you have to really excel. Where is Amiga going to do that?
It would take ten's of thousands of man-hours to modernise AmigaDos and then more to develop a killer App. The hours aren't there, the skills aren't there. Look at OS4, we've all got copies of it from various sources, not one of us can make it run on old Macs, or Pear PC. This is child's play compared to updating the OS and developing a killer app.
And if you have the idea for a killer app why would you release or develop it only for Amiga when you could retire happy to a beach on a tropical island if you made it run on a PC?
The Amiga is retro, if you know Amatuer Radio, there is something called QRP, basically transmitted on low power. Whilst the average person will Skype someone on the other side of the world, the QRPer will build a transmitter in a chewing tobacco can and communicate from the woods using a straight key and an antenna strung between two trees. That's the Amiga enthusiast! Yeah I can do that in 10 minutes an an 8 core Mac using Final Cut, but it's more fun taking a few days to do a more crude looking version on video toaster. Because you did it on a computer that makes a mobile phone look like a super computer.
Amiga Inc is irrelevant, they have produced nothing that is Amiga compatible, they produce 15 old Amiga games for the PC and do dotNet development in India. They talk about a redone Tao Intent (Amiga Anywhere) They lease the name Amiga, but that's really it.
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billt wrote:
Current "imaginary" valuation is said to be over 200 million USD.
That's ludicrously absurd. Gateway bought Amiga for what, $5million or so? How much did Amino get it for from Gateway? And they've driven public perceived value very deeply into the ground since McEwen and Fleecy have had it.
and surely need full-time care to wipe up their drool and
change their diapers.
hehe thid cracked me up but the amiga users we should build retirment home for amiga fans , imagine chould be sitting around huh huh whats that l cant hear the floppy clicking oh crap the thing stoped working ten years ago hehe,
then be the xcopy boing sound whens meal time.
are eye sight not the best so we think the gaphics have imporved somewhat , we think mouse is playing up but its just are hands shake so much .
we think are machines have got much better till realsise after hour there not pluged in.
and its the burnt on image on the screen not workbench. :-)
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When will the ECS and AGA patents expire?
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Buy Amiga Inc. ?
For that type of money, why bother? For about $400K @ year, hire four full time developers, several part time developers and do a bounty system for odd pieces of coding and push AROS to it's maximum capabilities. Between support/update fees of users (individual and hopefully a OEM or two) and doing real marketing of logos for typical consumer goods, you may break even within three years.
Dammy
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@freqmax
When will the ECS and AGA patents expire?
Ah indeed, there are some patents related: at least copper and blitter, and perhaps some others.
copper (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,103,499.PN.&OS=PN/5,103,499&RS=PN/5,103,499): expires in 2009
blitter (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,874,164.PN.&OS=PN/4,874,164&RS=PN/4,874,164): expired
Peripheral control circuitry for personal computer (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,829,473.PN.&OS=PN/4,829,473&RS=PN/4,829,473): expired
Video game and personal computer (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,777,621.PN.&OS=PN/4,777,621&RS=PN/4,777,621): expired
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persia wrote:
I'll repeat that THERE WAS NO WINNING STRATEGY. There is no winning strategy today to bring Amiga back. There is no way Amiga could catch up with Apple or MS, and catching up isn't good enough to generate customer, you have to really excel. Where is Amiga going to do that?
Nah there were lots of winning strategies.
You think no company has come from nothing in the time Amiga Inc. was dying?
If they had gone for the ULP (Ultra low power) laptop, along the lines of the One-Laptop-per-child kinda thing, they would have been in very good standing right now. Every man and his dog is making a new one. Elonex, OLPX, Intel, Asus etc. etc.
Think about some of the great ideas that came out during that period any of which could have saved Amiga: MP3, Wireless, tablet PC, multi-touch screens, haptics (force feedback) etc.
The problem is Amiga Inc. just didnt have the cash to do hardware and they were money grabbing, penny pinching b-stards.
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the project of a new ppc motherboard cost only 35.000 Euro
build an ppc motherboard in 1000 pieces cost only 200 Euro once
but is needed the collaboration of the OS developer.
without u-boot licence is impossible to project the final
prototype
i have money for this
i have a project for this
i'm waiting the winner from Amiga inc/Hyperion
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My 2 cents... :lol:
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@ematech
You have €35,000 for developing and €200,000 (1000 * 200) for manufacturing a new PPC accelerator?
Even if you don't have that kind of money, I admire that you are willing to fund an Amiga accelerator project.
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alexh wrote:
persia wrote:
I'll repeat that THERE WAS NO WINNING STRATEGY. There is no winning strategy today to bring Amiga back. There is no way Amiga could catch up with Apple or MS, and catching up isn't good enough to generate customer, you have to really excel. Where is Amiga going to do that?
Nah there were lots of winning strategies.
You think no company has come from nothing in the time Amiga Inc. was dying?
If they had gone for the ULP (Ultra low power) laptop, along the lines of the One-Laptop-per-child kinda thing, they would have been in very good standing right now. Every man and his dog is making a new one. Elonex, OLPX, Intel, Asus etc. etc.
Think about some of the great ideas that came out during that period any of which could have saved Amiga: MP3, Wireless, tablet PC, multi-touch screens, haptics (force feedback) etc.
The problem is Amiga Inc. just didnt have the cash to do hardware and they were money grabbing, penny pinching b-stards.
But they rejected those that did have the cash for hardware, and not only did that but attacked them both publically and privately. Anyone else here got their Peake-a-gram? They stated, repeatedly and with religious zealotry, "Hardware is irrelevent" and "hardware doesn't matter". Well, guess what, without hardware, it doesn't matter how good your software is, you can't run it! People don't buy OS's for the most part, they definately don't buy runtime JIT VCPU solutions with a VOS on top of it. They buy machines. But when offered a design for a ULP laptop, an MP3 player, a tablet PC, or a cell phone, they scoffed and turned their noses up on it, seeing the prize as being in Disney-designed 3D renderings that cost a pretty penny.
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None of which was a winning strategy when Escom folded, you would have had to use technology that simply didn't exist at the time. There simply wasn't a winning strategy, Apple survived by the skin of it's teeth. Had MS not made a strategic investment to save it's sole competitor there would be no Apple today. All those wonderful toys that have made Apple and others lots of money came long after the remnants of CBN/Amiga Inc/Escom were gone.
I can't really figure out what Amino and KMS were/are about, they bought the Amiga name but seem to have little interest in developing products.
So here it is, more than a decade on, AmigaOS has no relevance to modern OSs, has no hardware to run on and no modern applications to run on it even if it did.
How much money, time and effort do you spend to make Amiga DOS modern and what equipment do you run it on? You can't make a modern OS and still be compatible with 20 year old programs and you can't sell a machine that has no applications. Best bet would be intel hardware with a custom designed video card from someone like Nvidia. But once you've produced a custom os on a customised PC where are the Apps that people are going to run on it? There is simply no winning formula today if you want to go that route.
This is KMOS/Amiga Inc's dilema. It's neat to evoke the late 80's and early '90s but there's no money in it. Basically you build a clone of 15 year old technology and you sell a hundred or two units or you invest millions developing a new software/hardware platform and sell them only if their cheap enough that people can load MS Windows on them.
It's too late, KMOS/Amiga Inc has done nothing but drive away more people than would have been lost by attrition. The audience is no longer there, not in the numbers that are needed.
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HenryCase wrote:
@ematech
You have €35,000 for developing and €200,000 (1000 * 200) for manufacturing a new PPC accelerator?
Even if you don't have that kind of money, I admire that you are willing to fund an Amiga accelerator project.
at the moment i don't believe in an accelerator project, i believe only in an amiga clone with os 4 licenced from Amiga inc or Hyperion
the project is
FREESCALE PPC 8323 ( 700 mhz) POWER QUICC2 upgradable in next version
ETHERNET 1 x 10/100 Mbit
VOIP 2 x Port RJ11
NOR FLASH UpTo 64 MB
ADM UpTo 1024 MB DDR2
INTERFACES RS232
Real Time Clock
Power Supply 12 Vcc
2xMiniPCI INTERFACE
realtek hd audio
firewire
JTAG Interface
Nvidia 9600 GT
U-Boot firmware
2 sata port
2 usb 2.0 port
(http://www.wi-max.it/ETR_AOS4.jpg)
I will contact Hyperion when the legal odissey ends...
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To put it bluntly, Carl Sassenrath (talented though he is) is talking out of his ar*e here. Take a look at the patent for yourself:
US Patent for multi-button mouse (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7233318.PN.&OS=PN/7233318&RS=PN/7233318)
According to the Internet, there were 47 patents relating to the Amiga (17 of which were in video). However, none of the sources I found listed these patents. Does anyone know where we can see a list?
I don't think he meant "two-button mouse" literally.
I think it was like one might use "kitchen sink" when describing the inclusion of ubiquitous items.
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@ematech
Did you design that board yourself? Kudos if you did. What major advantages does it have over Sam440ep (they have to be major advantages to make the new board worthwhile)?
huronking wrote:
The technology which was sold to Gateway was primarily a deal to buy the patent on the 2-button mouseI don't think he meant "two-button mouse" literally.
I think it was like one might use "kitchen sink" when describing the inclusion of ubiquitous items.
I know you're trying to stick up for an Amiga legend here, but you're wrong. Take a look at the statement again:
Carl Sassenrath said:
"The technology which was sold to Gateway was primarily a deal to buy the patent on the 2-button mouse..."
That isn't a wishy washy statement, it's crystal clear. Of course he meant two button mouse literally, I have never heard anyone being able to describe all computer hardware using the 'catch all phrase' of two-button mouse! F*cking ridiculous.
It's possible Mr Sassenrath meant to say about the 'usage of the two buttons to manipulate menus' that Piru mentioned. Hardly a big money spinner though is it.
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Woah buddy, I'm not sticking up for anybody.
You contradict yourself. If he literally meant two-button mouse why would he mean 'usage of the two buttons to manipulate menus'?
Get a life.
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You can't make a modern OS and still be compatible with 20 year old programs...
You can still run DOS programs on Windows XP (never tried that on Vista) I use Tango to open some old schematics we still produce today. They have more than 20 years difference, and are compatible.
I think the good part of the Amiga spirit that I really miss is inovation. It would be awesome to have a compatible today, but that would be really useful just for fans like us.
There is a place for something really innovative like the Amiga was at the 80's. Take a look at the PC's hardware. They are all the same crap, including Macs. All the "modern" OSs are mammoths, eating tons of disk space, RAM and processor power.
I would like to have all of these resources available to my software. I really believe there are many people in the world that are tired of waiting several minutes to boot their computers, tired of pressing ctrl-alt-del, and tired of waiting for simple things like window movement if the computer is busy.
Hope some company take the "Amiga way" and do something to change that. This is what I believe the Amiga was all about: do everything better, easier, faster and still have a nice price. It is not about being compatible with the past, but be the future today.
...now I will fall from the clowds and keep driving this stupid PC :-(
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Il offer £2.50. That seems the right value for what the "Amiga" word is worth these days thanks to them.
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ematech wrote:
Buy Amiga Inc. ?
I think is possible.
I'll give you two Pair's and a watter mellon for Acrank
:roll:
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vk3heg wrote:
ematech wrote:
Buy Amiga Inc. ?
I think is possible.
I'll give you two Pair's and a watter mellon for Acrank
:roll:
Universal typo Translator activated.
Two pear's and a Water Melon.
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Xerox Star was released in 1981 and had a two button mouse, no Commodore computers before that time had a mouse AFAIK, so I think you've been misinformed.
Xerox Alto was released in 1973 and it had 3 (yes three) mouse buttons
(http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taouu/graphics/03g.jpg)
An impressive OS for 1973 :-o
(http://media.arstechnica.com/images/gui/7-AltoST-small.jpg)
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Cool! this is the first picture of it I've ever seen...
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Wow, this must be one of the first pics of a running Smalltalk..
The Smalltalk browser hasn't changed a lot since then... :-D
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huronking wrote:
You contradict yourself. If he literally meant two-button mouse why would he mean 'usage of the two buttons to manipulate menus'?
The Chinese whispers effect. If he overheard something about two button mice used in a certain way in a GUI, but then only picked up on the two button mice statement.
In other words, you're saying he had a clue. I'm saying he didn't have a clue but how he may have got to the wrong answer.
Any clearer?
@Fransexy
The Xerox Alto looks very impressive, especially for 1973.