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Finnaly ... Take 2 ... :-)
We've seen amiwest and all the OS4 roadshows ... and maybe not all your questions where answered.
Here is your change to submit your question for Ben Hermans.
Note: This thread is ment for questions for Ben Hermans, not for debate and propaganda. Stay on Topic! If you do not do so, your comment will be deleted or edited as appropriate.
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Q: How was your trip to the US? Did you get to do sight seeing or was it purely business?
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Q: I've heared people complain Linux is dodgey on Amiga One and that is supposed to be very stable isn't it? So how does OS4 compare for stability?
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How optimistic is do you feel about there being a BlizzPPC version of AOS4 some time soon... or ever?
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Okay, wandering out of the latest flamewar on ANN, here's what could be an interesting one...
Q: Knowing what you know now, what would you nominate as the *worst* limitation of AmigaOS? It'd be interesting to hear your perspective from the managerial standpoint, and more subjectively as a user.
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Hi Ben,
Will my AmigaOne require a UBoot Update before OS4 is released ?
Will there be a home networking Wizard or Guide in OS4 to Allow Drive / Printer Sharing ?
Will the initial AmigaOne Release of OS4 use snap or the forefront Radeon Drivers ?
Will the Warp3D / WarpOS emul be sufficent to play WipeOut 2097 / Payback etc ?
Thanks and keep up the goodwork.
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Would there be a support for DVD-/+RW burners?
Would there be a built-in MIDI Soft Synthesizer (similar to “Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth(Roland GS)” or ‘Yamaha XG SoftSynthesizer’)?
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Are you able to give us an indication of the AOS4 pricing?
CyberStorm
BlizzPPC
AmigaONE
Any discounts available?
Will there be (time limited, evaluation) demo versions avaiable?
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question: Will there be any hyperion releases at the same time as os4 gets released , like ...umm Worms Armageddon , SIN ...etc
(yes i know we discussed this before, anyway i wanted to know if any has changed)
Question number 2: Will there be an official Release Tour (ala os4tour) , if so..where to sign up? , alt.woa would be a start but, maybe we should try to have a simmilar thing as os4tour ?
(then people wont have their excuses, too long travel times, plane tickets costs too much...yaddiyada....blabla...)
thanx
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Hello
If worst thing happen and Amiga Inc goes down/
bankrupt, will Hyperion develop AmigaOS 4.5
or 5.0 in the future?
What happen if the new owner of Amiga Inc IP
said that Hyperion cannot use AmigaOS name in
the future versions? Will the name be changed
to HyperOS or something else?
Who will provide support for user if Amiga Inc
goes down?
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I probably know the answer to this, but...
Part1:
Does Hyperion have any plans to port games (which may or may not be available for AOS4) to the MOS platform... or any other Platform in this arena?
Part2:
With respect to the answer given in part1, would anything (events/circumstances) change your mind, positivly and negitivly.
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I think it would be usefull to be able to boot AOS3.5 or AOS3.9 on the AmigaOS4 capable machine, so that people could continue to use their existing setup while setting up the new system.
Is there any plans of having such mode for new AOS platforms?
(Or is it Alan Redhouse's problem to hire Amithlon author to implement similar system for A1?)
How about Classic PPC Amigas? I've done it so that I have preserved a AOS3.5 partition (old & patched & easy to crash) beside the AOS3.9 partition. Dificult part starts when I want to boot from the partition with lower boot priority, I need to monitor power led & HDD sound, etc, etc so that I manage to hit both mouse buttons to reach the boot selection screen again and again untill the re-boot nightmare ends in correct system startup (CSMK2 does one reboot, then AOS3.x rom patcher does the second reboot and then ...).
So will there be a easier way also for classic PPCAmiga users?
(I think it would be very helpfull to be able to set (more permanently than just for one boot at a time) partition boot orders in early startup (perhaps in BIOS for A1) but that would require a new ROM for classic Amigas)
(bah, I bet I no one can understand those questions, but no time to clarify....)
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With so few people having blizzard ppc cards are you going to make enough money from sales of os4 for this card .I have a blizzard ppc myself with a 160 meg of memory.
Is the os4 version for for amigaone the most important version i mean is it going to be the first release. :-)
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amigamad:just a small hint..there is more bppc's than csppc's ..
ksk:use bootmenu on aminet for that (works fine with rtg even...)
(or just make a If then line, saying when u press left mousebutton on startup boot from partition 2 etc)
question for ben: will xmas sales be an important issue for os4/a1 ? , or is it like...non special season campaign for now.... ie any sales at any time is good.. (money is on risk i guess so i had to ask....)
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Q: What do you prefer, managing a game development or the OS one ?
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Q: Are there any plans to develop AmigaOS so it can cater for multiple users and/or services (homedirs/profiles? filesystem ACLs?) in the long or short term?
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yes good one....Multi users will it support it? :-?
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Q: Will AmigaOS 4.0 come with process management tools (eg. to kill a process off) for users?
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1. Will OS4 have any power saving features, eg. screenblanker able to put the monitor into powersave mode etc?
2. I was recently alerted to the fact Napalm does not use AHI, do you know whether this will work on an AmigaOne with OS4?
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If Amiga Inc fails to make good on the A1/OS4 coupons, will Hyperion and Eyetech make good on them instead?
Dammy
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What is the status of petunia?
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Question 1: what you have demonstrated looks like (to me at least) OS 3.9 and a couple add ons(I know we can get technical, but bottom line is it wasnt running on an AmigaOne and it wasnt ALL running on the PPC accel from what I was able to gleam), when will a tangible OS4 beta be out?
tangible? I mean running on AmigaOne with zero-custom hardware and no 68K...
Question 2: (this has been asked to death but I'd certinly like to hear an answer direct from you)
You(maybe not YOU Ben but people on the Amiga.inc side of things) claim the purpose of AmigaOne's dongle/rom/whatever you want to call it is to ensure 'quality' standerds and such???... bieng that AmigaOne is only a motherboard and OS how do you make sure every single computer derived from this and sold by a third party meets the extremely high-standerds of Hyperion ???
do you have field testers?, rigorous VAR school/etc?, secret in-company quality checkers?.. how do you do it...
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He doesn't ... !!
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Q. How do you expect to make any money on OS4 when Amiga Inc have already promised 3000+ free copies to party pack owners (the party pack including coupon can still be bought on ebay for <$10), and 1180 $50 discounts for club members, and free copies for anyone who has bought an A1?
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Nice, Meerschaum, a slam wrapped around a question.
Anyway, Ben, what about Firewire support?
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ben,
what kind of marketting will be done for the amigaOne and OS4 that will bring major developers to the platform. Will there be any mainstream business/productivity software that will be there be, if any?
I guess the most direct way of asking this is:
Do the makers of the AmigaOne and OS4 have any big named software companies like Corel & Adobe(just to name two) to make serious software to help draw new peple to the platform? can you be specific?
sorry, I dont mean to sound superficial, but its the big guns that bring home the money.
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Did Mai say anything to you about their upcoming chips supporting the G5?
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B00tdisk thank you for your compliments :-D
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Don't worry, I can handle it :)
According to Meerschaum's definition, Apple OS 7.x up to 8.5 was in fact less than beta because it contained 68K code.
And what to think of Windows which contained 16 bit code on 32 bit systems?
All less than beta.
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Double post, sorry.
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HyperionMP I'm talking about AOS4 running on hardware that was sold to people in advance for the express purpose of running it....sure those other OS's you mention had their problems moving ahead...but had Apple demod OSX on a 68K mac and called it the future...would the macheads be cheering?
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Software Hut has announced that it is ewxpecting to ship OS4 by October. Has there been an official announcement of any kind?
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Question 2: (this has been asked to death but I'd certinly like to hear an answer direct from you)
You(maybe not YOU Ben but people on the Amiga.inc side of things) claim the purpose of AmigaOne's dongle/rom/whatever you want to call it is to ensure 'quality' standerds and such???... bieng that AmigaOne is only a motherboard and OS how do you make sure every single computer derived from this and sold by a third party meets the extremely high-standerds of Hyperion ???
do you have field testers?, rigorous VAR school/etc?, secret in-company quality checkers?.. how do you do it...
I'm confused about this question, wouldn't the answer simply be, if someone wants to run AOS 4.0, they contact us and send us the system they want to run it on and we review it along with its white papers with a couple of engineers, and if it looks good, we give them the uboot code and a licensing contract??
Have I grossly misunderstood this question? or is the answer painfully obvious??
I haven't been following all the flamewar politics regarding this particular area so I was just wondering what this question's actually about.
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HyperionMP I'm talking about AOS4 running on hardware that was sold to people in advance for the express purpose of running it....sure those other OS's you mention had their problems moving ahead...but had Apple demod OSX on a 68K mac and called it the future...would the macheads be cheering?
I feel here that I must point out from my experience that macheads will cheer for ANYTHING Apple does as long as Apple says it's good regardless of the actual underlying technical issues and quality.
;-)
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Waine the AmigaOne systems go to people who re-sell them right?... I've heard it said the 'Dongle' for OS4 is to ensure 'system stability' etc etc etc...but who is going around checking if the AmigaOne's in all the various configurations that will no doubt be sold...are going to be 'stable' and 'solid' etc etc etc?... thats my point...
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@meerschaum
got it, thanks for the clarification. I knew there had to be something more to it than that.
:-D
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if not too late ... here are my question(s) :
what about nfs/smb support ? (the existing nfs clients/servers are not that good)
is os4 multi user capable with usr/local/world rights ?
will the passwds (if multiuser capable) be md5 coded to be compatible to existing un*x systems ?
will there be a ssh2 shell ?
will the tcp stack support nat, routing, etc ?
will the system be documented (á la sun) ?
will the desktop be exportable via xwin (vnc is not THE solution) ?
will the sysetem be remote configurable ?
(i know, some of them are old :-/ )
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In what way can Amiga Inc affect the directives/development of AmigaOS4? Do they have any control over it or your contract leaves so much space for you that they are just watching from the sidelines?
A more straight and shorter version: Do Amiga Inc has anything to do with OS4 development except the name?
Thank you for the answer in advance.
Can we expect a new skin for moovid in OS4? ;-) ;-) ;-)
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Regarding Network support (assuming there is to be any):
-Edit- Question removed because it was a bit lame.
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What kind of screensavers and screensaver system will ship with AOS4.0?
It would be nice if there is a superb good looking (and extremely stable) screensaver.
(later it would also help to make AOS machines look more appealing in computer shop's window...)
More ideas to this:
- screensaver could act as a standard benchmark program
- screensaver could also act as a standard multimedia presentation tool (reading scala/hollywood scripts)
- screensaver could work as a world wide Amiga community infochannel system ;-) (how about amigaworld.net or amiga.org plugin...)
- it could also be set to show (cycle through) selected web pages
- login/password system for the screensaver could be set to look like the stargate dialing/control screen... :-o :-D
- screensaver could use TV card to show TV channels on screen
- screensaver could also automatically load & show movie trailers from the internet
- screensaver could be used to remind about things and it could automatically remind about viruskiller updates, AOS4 updates, and monitor system(hard disk) integrity and inform if there exist problems
- it could show headers of new received mail
and.... :-D
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How will AOS4 tackle viruses? Will existing viruskillers continue to work? Will there be a viruskiller in the "contributions" folder?
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Windows is known from it's standard card game. I bet hundred million people have tried it out and some play it (almost) all day at work. 8)
Will AOS4 include a good card game? Perhaps one that uses klondike card sets?
(about 7 years ago when I worked at computer shop and sold Amigas, I noticed that a lot of (older) people disliked Amigas because it did not include card game as a standard) :-o
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ksk: good point..
question to ben: or answer :P .. we really need
some sort of game in it :P ... standard installed as minimum... maybe PAIRS NG (demo on aminet) , i play it alot... , its nicely designed and additive, still in dev.... i regged even...
can we have this in os4? or maybe something else? better? or for worse? ...please no windows pinball :)
question answered i guess....btw hyperion demos of older games wont do really, as it aint apealing to all... especially girls and we do need more girls on amiga dont we? :)
(i guess i made u smile now :))
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Hate to steal any thunder, but... Some of these are pretty answerable.
shIva wrote:
is os4 multi user capable with usr/local/world rights ?
will the passwds (if multiuser capable) be md5 coded to be compatible to existing un*x systems ?
will there be a ssh2 shell ?
will the tcp stack support nat, routing, etc ?
Unless any big surprises are coming, we pretty much know 4.0 will be a single-user OS, though the little-used file ownership features of FFS may've been maintained in the 'FFS2' reimplementation. (I honestly can't remember.) MD5 is popular and free, so if and when anyone did require a strong hashing solution, they'd have to be a little nuts (QSSL) to roll their own. The Roadshow stack has been claimed very modern, and should certainly handle routing, at least - maybe Ben can remind us of the featurelist for that.
will the desktop be exportable via xwin (vnc is not THE solution) ?
This is what troubled me to reply... Unfortunately, VNC *is* 'the solution' for exporting GUIs not intrinsically X11-based. Some sort of X11 wrapper might not be impossible, but it'd be a heck of a lot of work -- consider how much code it'd take to 'translate' things like non-rectangular windows, unless you're talking export of the entire desktop like an X client, in which case it would be little different than using VNC anyway.
Now, if you really must have the X protocol, I was blathering about NoMachine (http://www.nomachine.com/) a while back... Well, I dropped them a line, and received a friendly response. Basically, their focus is elsewhere at the moment, but they *are* interested in supporting PowerPC Linux at some point (three letters: IBM), and they'll see where they can go from there as the marketplace evolves.
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@Floid:
I suggest you also read the Roadshow feature list:
http://os.amiga.com/os4/OS4FeatureSet.php?p=11 (http://os.amiga.com/os4/OS4FeatureSet.php?p=11)
Quote:
Compatible with software written for AmiTCP V4, Miami, Miami Deluxe and Termite TCP.
Written from scratch, incorporating the 4.4BSD Lite2 TCP/IP kernel.
Compact and efficient design; fastest Amiga TCP/IP stack to date.
Automatic configuration via the Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) supported through built-in DHCP client; activate a networking interface and your Amiga automatically becomes part of your local network. This enables you to use cable and DSL modems with your Amiga.
Uses a small, but comprehensive set of Amiga specific administration tools and configuration files; easier to learn and use than plain Unix style commands and files.
Just one command required to start up and make your Amiga part of your network; no need to configure routes, IP addresses and domain name system servers separately.
Supports Ethernet (broadcast) and PPP, SLIP, CSLIP (point-to-point) networking.
Completely localized, with error messages and reports printed in your native language.
Built-in Internet Superserver ("inetd") to start server application software in response to client requests (e.g. Apache web server, Samba file server, etc.).
Built-in "TCP:" device handler which makes it possible to use the TCP/IP stack functionality from within shell scripts or Arexx programs.
Integrated IP packet filter (IPF) and network address translation (NAT); build your own firewall or use your Amiga as a network gateway.
Uses the SANA-II standard for networking drivers; supports the release 2, 3 and 4 extensions such as for direct memory access and dial-up networking.
Multicasting supported.
Built-in support for the Berkeley Packet Filter (BPF); monitor the local networking using your Amiga.
Greatly enhanced application programming interface which gives developers control over the networking interfaces, routing and kernel behaviour, allows for data to be filtered, monitored and reshaped; create your own firewall, check which requests your Amiga receives from the network, deny incoming or outgoing connections. The enhanced application programming interface is still backwards compatible with AmiTCP V4.
Comes with special networking drivers for dial-up networking (asynchronous PPP; for modems and ISDN adaptors which behave like modems) and DSL access (PPP over Ethernet).
Driver for PPP over Ethernet supports the SANA-II standard for networking drivers including the release 2, 3 and 4 extensions such for as direct memory access. A special "low overhead" mode increases networking performance by cutting the path short which lies between the Ethernet driver and the TCP/IP stack.
Both PPP drivers (asynchronous PPP and PPP over Ethernet) support automatic configuration of local and network addresses, routes and domain name system server addresses. Link quality monitoring and testing, authentication with plain text and encrypted passwords (CHAP and MSCHAP) are supported.
Driver for PPP over Ethernet includes security features to discourage password sniffing on the network.
Now, could we have some questions which were NOT answered on os.amiga.com in January 2003? ;-)
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As Picasso96 and ReAction are both part of OS4, does that mean that you will be able to have a PIP layer within a ReAction window?
I want to be able to open a ReAction-managed PIP window, so that the pubscreen it opens on is managed by the ReAction screen manager, it can be iconified like any other ReAction window, etc. etc.
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Any idea when an Official Hardware Compatibility List will become available? If not a specific date, then the number of days, weeks, or months prior to AOS 4 shipping.
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What part will hyperion play in the Marketing of OS4 ?
You mentioned there will be a paper manual which I think is a good idea. Is someone already working on this? Will you also publish the manual online?
Also will there be a section on Hyperions website for OS4 support and updates or will this be hosted elsewhere.
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Any chance of porting & including the game Bejeweled ( or is there already something similer available on Amiga?) with os4 ?
My missus, daughters (3 of em) and in laws are all addicted to this game.
(http://www.softdepia.com/pix/popcap_games/bejeweled.jpg)
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@ Wain
I feel here that I must point out from my experience that macheads will cheer for ANYTHING Apple does as long as Apple says it's good regardless of the actual underlying technical issues and quality.
and what, like the Amiga community would not if Amiga Inc, Hyperion and eyetech did the same? come on, Amiga users are the biggest bunch of blind faith followers I have ever seen/known and still know.
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Alright, I have a question for you:
What technical difference is there to differentiate AmigaOS 4 from the other workalike OS's out there such as AROS or MorphOS?
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Little question :
In the OS4 powerpoint presentation, I can see, that the "Amiga" word
is only shown on the big Amiga OS4 logo, after that, we only see OS4
without any mention to the Amiga name.... even in the about box, it's
written "OS4 Kernel" and never any "amiga" word... WHY ???
It's told that Hyperion OS is official AmigaOS4 so why no Amiga
Word???
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Q: What's the situation with Elbox Shark (+?) OS4 support ... Last time I remeber hearing about this Hyperion dind't have card nor specs to make OS4 to run on it.
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it's
written "OS4 Kernel" and never any "amiga" word... WHY ???
Pardon? It says something like "Copyright 1985-2003 Amiga Inc and Hyperion Entertainment".
Do you say "GNU/Linux" or Linux when you refer to said OS?
I think you are trying to intepret something into the presentation that is simply not there...
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HI!
Someone brought this up before (on ANN I think).
After I read this, I was trying hard to always say
"Amiga OS 4" when refering to the new version
of AmigaOS in public. But sometimes I still wrote
"OS 4" by mistake. Well, it is shorter to type ... :) (And, after all we know that we are talking about "Amiga" when
OS 4 - ah, sorry, AmigaOS 4 of course :) - comes to the discussion, so no urgent need to repeat this).
Okay, here we go:
AmigaOS 4 ! AmigaOS 4 ! AmigaOS 4 !
:)
Steffen
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FALCON1 wrote:
Little question :
In the OS4 powerpoint presentation, I can see, that the "Amiga" word is only shown on the big Amiga OS4 logo, after that, we only see OS4 without any mention to the Amiga name.... even in the about box, it's written "OS4 Kernel" and never any "amiga" word... WHY ???
have a look at the info requester of amiga os3.5/3.9 and tell us what is written there...
:-D
byebye...
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what about a native arexx version for amiga os4?
i heard the rumour that the guy who originally developed it for amiga os (aome years ago) will port it to this wanna-be-os...
byebye...
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@Rogue:
Do you say "GNU/Linux" or Linux when you refer to said OS?
Depends on what you're speaking of ;-)
The kernel is Linux, most of the rest is GNU. Debian is Linux + GNU + contribs/non-free, basic recommended install (clicking the default answer to everything) gives you pretty much GNU + Linux.
There's _plenty_ of systems running Linux without GNU. I'm almost rid of GNU on my embedded system here ;-)
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Depends on what you're speaking of
OK, let me rephrase :-)
Most people I talk to say "OS X". They might say "MacOS X". None say "Apple MacOS X". Not even Apple.
I always say "OS 3.9" or "3.9".
The reason: It's just shorter :-)
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@Warpiper
and what, like the Amiga community would not if Amiga Inc, Hyperion and eyetech did the same? come on, Amiga users are the biggest bunch of blind faith followers I have ever seen/known and still know.
I think you've missed my point. Go back to reading what it was I was replying to.
I've never said anything for or against Amiga users in this thread.
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Hi!
will you add support for themes in os4?
Like, in windowsXP for example, where
you can download a theme, with visual styles, icons, backdrops, sounds and screensavers all in one package.
You then hit go, and your os looks brand new.
I think this feature would be VERY welcomed as
a lot of amiga boys are fanatic about the look of their
WB.
/spot
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@ Wain
you said... I feel here that I must point out from my experience that macheads will cheer for ANYTHING Apple does as long as Apple says it's good regardless of the actual underlying technical issues and quality.
I said... and what, like the Amiga community would not if Amiga Inc, Hyperion and eyetech did the same? come on, Amiga users are the biggest bunch of blind faith followers I have ever seen/known and still know.
It may be you that has missed my point, you see, it is my opinon that Amiga users act the same when it come to the Amiga.
Do you know the old saying? "THOSE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T CAST STONES" ?
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Hopefully not too late... ;-)
1) What is the state of debugging tools in OS4.0? Does ExecSG now include the basic logic behind Enforcer, GuardianAngel, etc. and it's just a matter of "switching it on"? Or do these tools still exist as external programs?
2) Given the 68K emulator, are there any hurdles in debugging 68K code vs. PPC code?
3) Long ago I had read that the API call for patching OS functions (sorry, not a C programmer so don't remember the name) that so many OS3.x patches/commodities/etc. relied on was being retired to foster a more stable OS. But SnoopDos 3.8 68K apparently still runs on OS4 with no alterations. What's the story here?
4) Truthfully now, how many hours a day do you spend answering email? ;-)
Thanks,
Todd
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Ok, Ben.
1# Could you do some kind of gentlemen agreement between OS4/MOS teams so that endless flame wars would end? Every day at ANN.lu is just a remake of yesterday.
I believe that if "the command comes from the top", ie from you and Mr. Buck, maybe the users could follow the example.
2# question: is the BlizzardPPC version confirmed, what were the results of your survey?
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