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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Painkiller on March 13, 2008, 10:45:07 AM
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I just finished installing my A1200 in a tower with G-REX PCI board. I have a Voodoo 3 card installed in the busboard, should it show on Expansion Board Diagnostig screen? I have tried PCISCAN also but it says Cybpci.library couldn't be opened. Shouldn't that library be loaded directly from BlizzPPC's rom? My BlizzPPC firmware is 26042002 which should have OpenPCI 2.2 support and is the latest firmware update available for BPPC.
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vittu perkle saatana vitun vittu... Why can't anything just work from the start and where are the tutorials into installing a working OS39 with PPC etc. I'm so {bleep}ing tired of fidling with this BS software, not knowing where the problem lies.
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I've seen this problem in the past. Assuming that you've got everything connected properly (the BPPC expansion connector is making good contact with the Grex logic module and the logic module is making good contact with the PCI busboard) then I would say you are most likely dealing with a defective Grex logic board or a defective BPPC expansion port.
Keep in mind that for proper Grex1200 compatibility, you need a revision 2 BPPC card. Revision 0 might work, but in my experience even if it does work it is very unreliable and system crashes are often experienced.
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Uhh I'll have to check out what BPPC board I have.
So how should I install my software?
Fresh AOS39
BB 1 and 2
BPPCfix or Blizkick
PPClibemu
WarpOS + Update
Am I missing something or doing things in wrong order? I would atleast like to know if the PPC on my board is healthy and working. :getmad: :getmad: :getmad: :getmad: :getmad: :getmad: :getmad: :getmad: :getmad: :madashell:
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That sounds about right.
The quickest test that I know of that proves if your 603e is functional would be by:
- installing OS3.x
- running SysSpeed
- testing out 603e performance within SysSpeed
If your OS freezes during the test, your 603e is most likely defective. If SysSpeed spits out some performance benchmarks then you know that the 603e is functional.
I would recommend the above test before you install BB1 + BB2 + WarpUP, as the built-in PowerUP PPC library will be sufficient for the test and it will work with SysSpeed.
To check the revision of your BPPC board, you need to run a command line tool called "boardtype". It's available for download here (http://grex.amigaworld.de/download.php?id=27). If boardtype detects revision 0, your PPC card is not officially compatible with Grex1200. If revision 2 is detected, your PPC board is fully compatible with Grex1200.
Most BPPC cards out there are revision 0, btw.
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http://aminet.net/util/moni/sspeed26.readme
Says "- PowerPC-Test added (WarpOS V12+ only)" :-? :-? :-?
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I might have been mistaken about using PowerUP with SysSpeed then. I probably used WarpUP. Anyway, you know what you need to do to test, so...
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vittu perkle saatana vitun vittu....tuttujuttu
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I know its hard i managed to get my old Mediator PCI work almost 100% only SB128 wasnt working :) good luck ... :lol:
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tekopaa wrote:
vittu perkle saatana vitun vittu....tuttujuttu
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I know its hard i managed to get my old Mediator PCI work almost 100% only SB128 wasnt working :) good luck ... :lol:
You know what is sad :( I spend like 10h to restore the infinitiv case I got and had to paint it black to look good. Then I spend another 2 hours on the {bleep}ing grex which was supposed to fit right into the infinitiv tower but gues what it didn't fit in my infinitiv tower (wrong version)... :( Well I went ahead and changed the pins to correct height so that the board would attach to the GREX mothercard that is connected to BPPC and that the PCI slots would be on correct height to allow easy installation of PCI boards. Then I fire up the system all seems to be fine everything works like a charm untill I don't notice any other expansions then BPPC + all the else I have explained earlier. Everytime I try to do something with PPC everything starts to go wrong. I don't have a reliable test to determine wheter the faulth is in the software or hard ware and that pisses me off. I even got a PEG II only to find out that it can't use flash cards as system disk and I had to create a dealy script for it to recognize my HDD. Tutorials are very hard to find if any excist etc. Maybe I'll give a one last try and if I can't get a {bleep}ing PPC program to work then I'll sell all my Amiga stuff and be much happier. :pissed:
Maybe I'll keep my Peg II since nobody seems to be wanting it and see if Morph team has worked some wonders when MOS2 is released. Untill then I gues my next venture will be Ubuntu linux...
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Wow, somebody needs a chill pill.
If you can't be bothered banging your head in, then Amiga is certainly not for you.
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if your BPPC is not a DCE one, then u have slim chances of a working g-rex... as it is said before u need rev2 BPPC.
I have a dce bppc in the past, and g-rex was rock solid
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if your BPPC is not a DCE one, then u have slim chances of a working g-rex... as it is said before u need rev2 BPPC.
I have a dce bppc in the past, and g-rex was rock solid
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Hi,
I might help you
My setup (http://amigahardware.mariomisic.de/display_photos/infinitiv1200_1_sm.jpg)
So please tell me :
0 - Go to the Grex unofficial site and use the LASTEST Firmware without pluggin any card on the PCi bus !! Put 64mb at least.
1 - how do you power it ? AT or ATX PSU or by the floppy connector on the motherboard (don't do that !!!), or by the old amiga power connector (don't do that too !!!). Try to check the psu connectors when the machine is 'loaded'.
2 - Is the link between the BPPC/module/GREX are all 3 perfect ?
3 - Is the link between the BPPC/module done by metalic screews ? (ground + securities for the connector)
4 - Does your PCi cards are deeply plugged in theirs slots ?? I had a joke with cards in time even on PC :crazy:
5 - What kind of Grex1200 do you have ? do you have the label "Neue Edition" with red wires like mine ?
(http://amigahardware.mariomisic.de/display_photos/grex1200_2_sm.jpg)
or is it an updated model with some green wires ?
6 - which cards did you try and which order do you put them ?
My suggestion :
PCI control menu (http://amigahardware.mariomisic.de/download_photos/grex1200_5_big.jpg)
On the 1st slot (closest to PSU connectors), Network card, then Sound Card, and in the last slot the Voodoo3
But when you press the ESC at startup you must get the BPPC menu with a voodoo3 and permedia2 card.
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if your BPPC is not a DCE one, then u have slim chances of a working g-rex... as it is said before u need rev2 BPPC. I have a dce bppc in the past, and g-rex was rock solid
This bit of info really bothers me as there is no mention about this at grex.amigaworld.de nor is it mentioned at Amigakit.com who still sell these boards.
0 - Go to the Grex unofficial site and use the LASTEST Firmware without pluggin any card on the PCi bus !! Put 64mb at least.
Been there done that.
1 - how do you power it ? AT or ATX PSU or by the floppy connector on the motherboard (don't do that !!!), or by the old amiga power connector (don't do that too !!!). Try to check the psu connectors when the machine is 'loaded'.
I'm powering the board trough the ATX connector and also have hooked up additional powersupply to the floppy connector.
2 - Is the link between the BPPC/module/GREX are all 3 perfect ?
Should be I even used contact cleaner before I connected them.
3 - Is the link between the BPPC/module done by metalic screews ? (ground + securities for the connector)
Yes.
4 - Does your PCi cards are deeply plugged in theirs slots ?? I had a joke with cards in time even on PC
My only PCI card (Voodoo 3) is quite firmly fitted to the first PCI slot on the busboard. Only about 1mm showing of the card's contacts should be deep enough.
5 - What kind of Grex1200 do you have ? do you have the label "Neue Edition" with red wires like mine ?
Yes I made sure that I get the "Neue Edition", but the wires are green ;)
6 - which cards did you try and which order do you put them ?
I have only tried my Voodoo 3
I'll get back to this thread on eastern. I will pack away my Amiga now for awhile to get it out my mind.
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I'm powering the board trough the ATX connector and also have hooked up additional powersupply to the floppy connector.
And there is your problem. The ATX connector is inactive unless you get a rare IC which plugs into the small empty socket on the PCI busboard. It turns out that your Grex does not get any power. Solution...use an AT power supply or obtain an ATX-to-AT power supply adapter, with a power switch.
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And no, that is not my promlem you know that you can hardwire the socket to accept the ATX wakeup signal.
See:
http://grex.amigaworld.de/index.php?lang=en&page=46
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I just love how appreciative you are of everyone's help. :roll:
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Painkiller wrote:
And no, that is not my promlem you know that you can hardwire the socket to accept the ATX wakeup signal.
See:
http://grex.amigaworld.de/index.php?lang=en&page=46
Hm, you understand german? :-)
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DJBase wrote:
Hm, you understand german? :-)
Not really :-) I traced the ATX wakeup signal to those pins on the second picture. It was only after that when I discovered that picture :-P
One can always use Google to translate :-D
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To power up it well with ATX you need a trick :
put a wire between the green cable and a black one.
Check if you have more than 4.86v for +5V !!
If it's not powered properly by the AT or ATX connector, it won't work well.
But don't use the floppy connector with GREX !!
If you have a connection or ground problem you can destroy all...
About your Voodoo, are you sure that it doesn't content the MAC firmware ? Can you test it and reflash it on a PC with firmware 2.x ?
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To power up it well with ATX you need a trick :
put a wire between the green cable and a black one.
Its not needed if you put a bridge on the empty PIC socket. There are two ways like shown on the pictures.
1. to turn on/off the PSU by using its own switch (most psu have a switch on the back)
2. to turn on/off the PSU by using the switch on the tower
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I had no luck with the bridge it didn't work for me last time it tried.
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Remember to use an on/off switch not a button if you choose solution 2.
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Ok I'm back with G-Rex problems :(
Here is so far what I have done:
Assembled the system :) (A1200 KS3.1, BPPC 160Mhz 060 50Mhz, G-Rex PCI, Voodoo 3 16MB PCI).
Installed OS3.9
Installed WarpOS (from OS3.9 CD)
Installed BB1
Installed BB2 with ROM updates
Installed BPPCFix to disable ppc.library
Installed CGFX for G-REX
Problems:
ShowGFXconfig displays that 0 gfx cards installed
Boardtype show that I have revision 0 BPPC and says that it might be problematic with Bvision.
pciscan say that Cybpci.library is missing (is this because I have a revision 0 BPPC)?
Should the Cybpci.library come from BPPC or GREX?
Is my board revision the ultimate problem if so is there anyway I could update it?
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maybe it's, but before I sent my BPPCs to DCE for the upgrade I could get a basic WB (320x200-4 colors) on the voodoo3 and AGA together !
Have you tried to reflash it with the FORCE option ?
How do you power it now ? what are the voltage ?
Did you try to boot on MorphOS 1.4.5 PowerUp Edition (take care about the IDE trick !!!)
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I power it now only from the ATX connector. Uh forgot to measure voltages. Well the system is otherwise stable...
Yes I tried to boot Mos powerup from DH1: which I set bootable with priority 0
Copied all the files from the cd to it, then edited startup-sequence for the correct bootdevice
Cold booted the system disabled all the other drives. Then booted = black screen after awhile it reboots and nothing shows up. I even made it my primary bootdevice, but it just keeps rebooting it self.
I can't rememer wheter I have the latest official firmware on BPPC or not. I'll have to check once I get back to work as all my Amiga stuff is in there.
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Ok measured 5VDC line and it is at a healthy 5.07V
typing "version cybpci.library" at shell tells me that I have version 2.2 of cybpci.library
still PCIscan tells me that cybpci.library couldn't be opened
I was able to run PPC-Memtest, so I think that verifies that my PPC is working.
Could someone give me a screen capture from early startup -> expansion diagnostigs with GREX PCI installed. Should the PCI lanes be there or not?
On MorphOS what do you mean by IDE trick?
Oh yeah and how can I tell if I have MAC version of the Voodoo 3?
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Yes, the PCI cards should show in the PCI menu of your BPPC.
the fact that you have a rev0 BPPC is the source of your problem, I doubt you can do anything about that. Sad but true :-(
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Do not use the latest firmware and drivers with a GRex connected to a rev 0 BlizzardPPC. With regard to the BlizzardPPC rev0 and Grex that is bad advice. This is a case of the newest software being the problem.
The reason you need a rev 2 BlizzardPPC is for the OpenPCI stuff in the latest firmware and the latest drivers. Don't use that because it will never work.
You need the drivers and firmware just before the OpenPCI stuff. I have a GRex here connected to a rev 0 BlizzardPPC and it's working great but not with the OpenPCI firmware and drivers.
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Hmm I wonder if DCE would update my card without charge. Tough I doubt they will do it nowadays out of charity :(
Anyone have later revision BPPC with 040 and in use with mediator PCI and would like to trade it for a 060 PPC?
OK I got to the early startup menu of BPPC and nothing shows under PCI :(
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PulsatingQuasar wrote:
Do not use the latest firmware and drivers with a GRex connected to a rev 0 BlizzardPPC. With regard to the BlizzardPPC rev0 and Grex that is bad advice. This is a case of the newest software being the problem.
The reason you need a rev 2 BlizzardPPC is for the OpenPCI stuff in the latest firmware and the latest drivers. Don't use that because it will never work.
You need the drivers and firmware just before the OpenPCI stuff. I have a GRex here connected to a rev 0 BlizzardPPC and it's working great but not with the OpenPCI firmware and drivers.
Could you check for your firmware version? So that I can flash the same to try it out?
I just installed firmware that is dated 19.09.2001 on this page:
http://grex.amigaworld.de/index.php?lang=en&page=39
Still nothing shows at PCI menu and PCIscan still says that cybpci.library couldn't be opened. I'm starting to think the I have either a broken GREX PCI or PCI lane on my BPPC is totally busted :(
Odd thing is that after the firmware "downgrade" cybpci.library seems to be v1.2 and not v1.3 that is stated on the GREX support site.
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Bump
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That is what I have too. cybppc.library version 1.2
You also need the correct 68040 and 68060 library I think.
I have 46.7 and 46.14 respectively.
If you do get it working you can also not use the latest version of CyberGraphx. So no version 4.3 RC5. You need the last beta. Version 4.2 beta 11 I think it was.
Anyway, my cgxsystem.library is version 42.6 and not 42.7 like it is in version 4.3 RC3 to RC5. Maybe RC2 lowers the version to 42.6.
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Oh well I don't see anything in BPPC early-startup menu under PCI, So I'm thinking that maybe my GREX is broken. Well hopefully I can get a BVision today to test out the PCI port on my BPPC to determine wheter my BPPC or GREX is broken.
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hi,
PCIscan still says that cybpci.library couldn't be opened
It seems to me be a Warp conflict.
Please, try to boot on a fresh and clean OS3.1 or 3.9 without any patch or "kicksomething", and put your voodoo on the 1st slot (closest to PSU connector), try just a RTL8029AS network card then try to put the network card close to it and try to swap
Do you have a mono or dual DMA model ?
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Hello painkiller
I was in contact with DCE in august 2007. I spoke to a nice guy telling me all i needed was a disk to flash some of the firmware to upgrade to rev 2.
He also told me he would send the disk, gave him my address and contact e-mail.
However.
Still no disk received.
I am tild DCE do no longer support ANY amiga related product.
Regarding the disk.
I do not know what was supposed to be on that disk. or what it would do to the BPPC.
I have a REV.0 200/040-25 with SCSI.
and have severe problems with using BVision.
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@Painkiller
I'm parting from my Mediator LT4 fully working pci-busboard (with MMCD). It has 4 pci slots, tested and working nice with my rev0 BPPC.
If you're interested PM me.
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pyrre wrote:
Hello painkiller
I was in contact with DCE in august 2007. I spoke to a nice guy telling me all i needed was a disk to flash some of the firmware to upgrade to rev 2.
AFAIK the update from Rev.0 to Rev.2 would require a CPLD update which can't be done using some sort of bootdisk like the normal flash update.
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What other "benefits" does the rev2 BPPC have over rev0 instead of G-Rex -compatibility?
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@ DJBase
AFAIK the update from Rev.0 to Rev.2 would require a CPLD update which can't be done using some sort of bootdisk like the normal flash update.
I will not argue with you on that.
But that's what the guy at DCE told me...
(sounded a little to "easy" though)
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What other "benefits" does the rev2 BPPC have over rev0 instead of G-Rex -compatibility?
Fully functionally BVision.
My main goal at the time...
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CLS2086 wrote:
hi,
PCIscan still says that cybpci.library couldn't be opened
It seems to me be a Warp conflict.
Please, try to boot on a fresh and clean OS3.1 or 3.9 without any patch or "kicksomething", and put your voodoo on the 1st slot (closest to PSU connector), try just a RTL8029AS network card then try to put the network card close to it and try to swap
Do you have a mono or dual DMA model ?
Done that and still no help :(
Oh well I got BVision now on my hands, so I'll be testing that tomorrow and see how it goes.
@Bamiga2002
I'm not intrested in mediator boards.
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Unless I am way off the mark here, but the PCI cards will not show in the amigas early startup screen
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JJ wrote:
Unless I am way off the mark here, but the PCI cards will not show in the amigas early startup screen
There is a BPPC early startup screen, where you can get to by holding down ESC.
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Yes I know this :-)
But was making sure that the user with the problem was not getting confused with this and the amiga early startup screen
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pyrre wrote:
What other "benefits" does the rev2 BPPC have over rev0 instead of G-Rex -compatibility?
Fully functionally BVision.
My main goal at the time...
But i had BVision working smooth with my rev0 board, what's your problem there?
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@ Bamiga2002
have a look here (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28543)
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Could power problems be the issue with BVision when having a 68040 BPPC board? 040 draws quite a lot power. Does anyone know correct points to measure core voltages etc. on the BVision? I could possibly test with a BPPC 040 board if I get my other BPPC card working.
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I would not run around on the bvision with a multimeter on live fead...
bvison = pang
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You can check on the floppy power plug on the board if the +5V are strong enough.
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DJBase wrote:
You can check on the floppy power plug on the board if the +5V are strong enough.
That doesn't necessarily mean that everything on the BVision is side fine.
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here is a pic of my cards in the Early bppc menu :
here on amiga-hardware (http://amiga-hardware.com/download_photos/grex1200_5_big.jpg)
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So it actually only shows what is connected hmm intresting. I might try some other PCI cards to see what pops up.
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l had blizzard ppc 240 mhz 040 and was reversion 0 board made by phase 5 and my bvsion was dce made one they worked fine toghter.
for over 8 years before sold it miss them both heaps
good luck with this buddy :-)
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Aww {bleep} I think my GREX is fried :( or others have an factory repaired version of BPPC that is still reporting to be a rev0 if possible. I just plugged in BVision and it showd up in the PCI menu :) :( for the GREX...
BTW should I be able to get boot pic of the BVision?
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Only if you selected it when you installed the drivers
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Souldn't it by default output 4 color RTG so that is would be possible to setup your system without having to PAL output?
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ummm depends on the firmware version of your blizzard card as far as I remember.
Cant remember when this was implemented. But you should be able to see the amiga or blizzard early boot up menu on a monitor connected to it, as long as 31hz output is set on in the blizzrd menu.
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Painkiller wrote:
Souldn't it by default output 4 color RTG so that is would be possible to setup your system without having to PAL output?
I have tried flashing with the G-Rex 1.3 flash update to see if I could get MorphOS to work on my setup, but after doing the flash update the BVision outputs exactly nada here with me. It works fine when going back to the latest pre G-Rex flash though.
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Painkiller wrote:
Souldn't it by default output 4 color RTG so that is would be possible to setup your system without having to PAL output?
AFAIK the 4-color RTG is only possible with a CyberStormPPC. You need a tv or a monitor@15Khz.
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nope it 100% works on a blizzard for a1200. I and others have done this . But it only works on certain firmware revisions. its a setting in the bppc early startup