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Title: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: Cass on August 03, 2003, 10:41:27 PM
Well, this was a posting on the news section, but didn't get much attention:

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Finally a decent DiVX player for AMiGA!!!
I just installed it and I have some questions:

1. What would be the best parameter settings in order to get the best of the player?

2. If I set NOSKIP, I watch the movie with half its frame rate. If I omit NOSKIP, I get 98% of the frames skipped?!?! Anyway to skip every 2 frames (just to keep viewable the movie)?

It decodes the first frame of the deltaframe, and then jumps to the next deltaframe, skipping all the intermediate frames. Is there anyway to keep the video fluid (prebuffer the deltaframes, and skip every 2nd-3rd movie frame)?


P.S. The config is:
CSPPC 604@150/060@50 WOS 5.1
CV3D P96


This is it. Any expert out there that has watched a DivX movie on an accelerator board (not a 600-800MHz PPC)?


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Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: KennyR on August 03, 2003, 10:53:58 PM
I used to try playing divx on my PPC Amiga, but it was a hopeless cause. I just couldn't get the frame rate, no matter what I did. I have an 040/25 with my PPC, though (although the PPC 200 MHz). BlizzPPC memory access is also slower than the CPPC's.
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: Ponos2D on August 03, 2003, 11:00:28 PM
Even my 300MHz BPPC is very slow for DivX
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: Cass on August 03, 2003, 11:12:18 PM
Sounds like we have to move on more powerful machines (I'm planing to buy an AmigaOne when OS4 will be availiable -I'd buy OS4 for my CSPPC also- ), but I'd like to see these nice programs running on my A4000.

P.S.
I mistaken the forum (Hardware instead of Software). If there is any moderator on-line, might be as kind to move it to the right section?
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Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: redrumloa on August 03, 2003, 11:24:46 PM
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I mistaken the forum (Hardware instead of Software). If there is any moderator on-line, might be as kind to move it to the right section?


ZOINK! :-D
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: AxE on August 03, 2003, 11:35:14 PM
i got about 7fps with noskip on my AGA 060 not bad for 68k  :-)
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: Jose on August 03, 2003, 11:40:16 PM
A CPPC @ 233 with some optimizations at the code level would do the job I think, but there's probably noone anymore with the spare time to do that. Something along the lines of Mepega for audio..
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: Jose on August 03, 2003, 11:43:48 PM
@AxE
Cool, but at what resolution and color  depth?
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: Cass on August 03, 2003, 11:44:40 PM
Thanx redrumloa (the nickname seems to be inspired by the OverLook hotel room).
I was reading a post about hardware issues, and I mistakenly added a thread. :python:

By the way, any CSPPC user willing to test the new frogger?

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Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: Mad-Matt on August 04, 2003, 12:22:33 AM
LowRes (vcdres) div3 files playback ok on my weedy bppc 040 603/175.  couldnt get any div5 files to work.
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: mindful on August 04, 2003, 12:46:22 AM
I've heard you need at least 350Mhz..
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: KennyR on August 04, 2003, 02:20:04 AM
A Pegasos eats divx for breakfast, so an A1 should easily handle them.

However, there is a problem. An OS4 compile of frogger is probably unlikely. The PPC versions might not work on OS4, and the 68k version, even with JIT, still might be too slow...
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: lempkee on August 04, 2003, 07:59:50 AM
moovid pro is on  os4 so no prob, also it works in os4beta ppc mode (frogger also) ...faster indeed..

anyway i get about 22 fps on my a1200ppc in frogger 2.07 with a divx clip, with sound but soundquality is ####...reduced it to minimal..

better than nothing i guess..

svcd and low res divx etc works fine..., but still not with fullblown ahi ..

always play em in p96 and 16bit ..

hope this helps..


also as a last addition, i wasnt impressed over pegasos and divx, neither was i impressed over its dvd...BUT! this was on mos1.3 ...mos1.4 might be another thing...
but until then (which is DELAYED)...dont bother.

also kennyR, why wouldnt froggerng work btw? , audio device aint a missing feature on os4, also i never read anywhere that he wouldnt support os4.   show me a link if u know this for sure, or else be quiet,

Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: poweramiga2002 on August 04, 2003, 11:21:37 AM
Gday too all i get 23 fps on my a1200/603e+210mhz/060/50/grex/voodoo3/3000/128meg ram using scsi drives ive seen my friends comp simular setup just with mideator and soooo slooow anybody else got simular setup as mine? would be interesting to see if they also get good playback as well
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: KennyR on August 04, 2003, 03:03:54 PM
@lempkee

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also kennyR, why wouldnt froggerng work btw? , audio device aint a missing feature on os4, also i never read anywhere that he wouldnt support os4. show me a link if u know this for sure, or else be quiet


Because elf (the coder of Frogger) is a MOS developer and is extremely unlikely to be running OS4 any time in the future, so no native compile will appear. OS4 probably won't support WOS and PUP, so OS4 users will probably be stuck with the 68k compile.

This will happen with lots of software. There's no point in getting angry and defensive about it, unless you want to be thought of as yet another fanatic.
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: lempkee on August 04, 2003, 03:12:21 PM
kennyr: ok thanx for the info.
(i answered like i interpreted your statement)
(also, wos and pup is not banned in os4...)
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: Mad-Matt on August 04, 2003, 03:12:40 PM
well thank goodness for cross compilers, should be just as easy to make for aos4 as it is for wos pup under mos, besides there should be some degree os wos compatability in aos4 since thats what current aos ppc software uses.

And when os4 is running on peoples machince mos wont be neededd anymore, its dont its job now and soon wont be required as all miggy users will soon be back to running amigaos on their ppc system (exept for those few with a pegasos ;)

Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: lempkee on August 04, 2003, 04:27:11 PM
madmatt:indeed...but what we want now is Mplayer from linux :) , beats everything i have seen so far....and its free.
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: carls on August 04, 2003, 05:26:01 PM
@lempkee
Obviously, you haven't tried VLC :-)
Seems to be a very portable player - it's available for Win32, Linux, BeOS and MacOS X. It handles every format I've thrown at it although I haven't tried WMV yet. Let's just keep our fingers crossed for an AmigaOS/MorphOS port.

http://www.videolan.org (http://www.videolan.org)
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: KennyR on August 04, 2003, 05:29:47 PM
I have to agree with lempkee - mplayer is a great player. A port of this would be great for any platform.
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: GPT on August 04, 2003, 09:28:00 PM
How come that Softcinema can play a Divx movie (64x*3xx) at decent frame rate but frogger just jumping around (like a frog ;-) ).

Any good answer?

And it's not the codecs that's slow, I tryed to use the codecs from frogger with Softcinema and it worked at the same speed.
Title: Re: Frogger & DivX movies
Post by: Cass on August 04, 2003, 10:00:11 PM
The whole point was if there was any chance of making it work on a standard accel. board by optimizing it's code:

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It decodes the first frame of the deltaframe, and then jumps to the next deltaframe, skipping all the intermediate frames. Is there anyway to keep the video fluid (prebuffer the deltaframes, and skip every 2nd-3rd movie frame)?


But I think there isn't any free time to dedicate on such matters ("If you can't optimize, buy a faster CPU" ;-) ). Afterall the whole thing is probably hidden in the codecs.
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