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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: RMK305 on March 04, 2008, 07:46:28 PM
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I've been offered this lot and wondering if anyone could give me an idea of what each part is worth?
Thanks,
Robert
Amiga A4000 Warp Engine. 68040 FPU / 68040 MMU.
Kickstart 45.57.
Fast Ram 48MB. Chip Ram 2 MB.
1 x IDE HDD 1.1GB .
1 x IDE HDD 249.2 MB .
1 x SCSI HDD 1GB .
2 x Internal Floppy Drives .
1 x Internal CDRW Drive .
1 x Internal Zip 100 Drive .
Picasso II Graphics card.
Octagon SCSI Card with 16 MB RAM & HDD listed above & External SCSI interface,
Hypercom fast Serial / Parallel Port card,
IDE Fix Card,
NEC Multisync Monitor,
A4k Keyboard , Mouse, Speakers & all cables.
Running OS3.9 ( Original Disk Supplied ).
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Difficult to say... but if you can fetch it at around 200 euros than you're not too bad off I guess. Make sure it is all in working condition.
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Amiga with processor card is most expensive.
Drives are really cheap.
PicassoII is worth some many as well as OS3.9.
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To be fair, the Warp Engine is worth £175.00 (228 Euro's) of anyones money.
It was the fastest Stock 040/40 card ever made, but you haven`t said what speed it was. 28Mhz is not worth the effort over a 25mhz & 33mhz is where most Full 25Mhz 040`s will go by swapping the Oscilator for a 66Mhz one.
Don`t feel ripped off handing over £350 to £450 for it all.
If its the Warp 040 @ 40Mhz, be sure its got 60ns ram fitted & get rid of the IDE drives. Replace them with the Fastest SCSI II or even SCSI III drives with 68 - 50 pin adapters. Totally CPU load free...where as IDE isn`t! As a bonus, everything from the Hard Drives is straight into the CPU card. Aside from the CPU load caused by the IDE drives, you also have wait-states invoked while the data get`s buffered from the A4K IDE header, through the Motherboard & then into the CPU card. ;-)
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I forgot to say, the whole lot is in a Micronic tower.
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amiga_3k wrote:
Difficult to say... but if you can fetch it at around 200 euros than you're not too bad off I guess. Make sure it is all in working condition.
That sounds very low to me! If it were on eBay the prices would be more like this: (all estimates in US dollars)
A4000D in decent condition should be worth at least $100.
WarpEngine 040/40mHz w/48mb RAM should be worth another $100 to $200 by itself.
PicassoII is another $150 to $200.
All Hard Drives combined aren't worth much, maybe $30
Octagon SCSI controller maybe $50
Hypercom card $20
Internal Zip drive $20
NEC monitor $15 to $30
CDRW $20
Put everything together and I would say it should be worth around $450 to $650 if it is all in good working condition.
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*Edited .....sry!
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Normally, the sum of parts should be higher than the price of the total machine. And I said he wouldn't be too bad off if he could fetch it at 200 euro ;-).
One must keep in mind the circumstances the seller is in as well as how badly does he / she needs money. Also, has it been in storage for a long time and if it's a deal between friends. Sure, on eBay stuff goes at outrageous prices but the difference here is that the guy is being offered this system. What I did not know then, but know now, is that it isn'nt in it's original case. I was already wondering how on earth all those drives would fit into a Desktop :-). I agree on the point that the drives won't break the bank atm. He might even consider throwing out all and replace it by a flash-disk-IDE solution.
No matter what... when it comes to Amiga I think two things determine the price:
1) How badly does the buyer want the system?
2) How badly does the seller want to part with the system?
Then all that's left is the space in the bank-account of the buyer to get 1 and 2 to meet :-)
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amigadave wrote:
All Hard Drives combined aren't worth much, maybe $30
Internal Zip drive $20
The harddrives and ZIP drive can be had for free if you look carefully for Apple users throwing their 8600/9600s out :-).
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I assume this is the system in question...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amiga-A4000-Tower-System-68040-FPU-68040-MMU_W0QQitemZ150222360004QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
it has been listed before, although i cant remember if its the same seller.
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Yes, that's the one. The story goes.....
I had bid on it because it is just over a mile fromm me. With 5 minutes to go I was winning it at £195 and then another bidder came on and outbid me. Inn the heat of the moment I put in a couple of more bids and it finished at £265 inn the other guys favour. I then got the following message a few hours after it ended from the seller. This was not a second chance offer.
"Just been advised by E-bay that you were outbid y by someone who had made unauthorised use of the winning bidder's account.E-b\y has withdrawn the listing completely therefore making it imossible to make a second chance provision.If you still wish to see workbench and game screens plse give me a call."
I called the guy and he said "oh yes you were outbid at the last minutte". We chatted and he told me he stll has it and I can have it for my last bid which was £260. I pointed out that my last bid before the bogus guy can along was £195 and he told me he wouldn't sell it to me for that. This whole thing put me off but it has bee playing on my mind since. I'm not out seeking another A4000, just that this was so close to home.
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Bazzaq wrote:
I assume this is the system in question...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amiga-A4000-Tower-System-68040-FPU-68040-MMU_W0QQitemZ150222360004QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
it has been listed before, although i cant remember if its the same seller.
You beat me to it. I was just going to impart the same information :rtfm:
Current bid is £7.16 - I think it'll sell for a lot more than that :lol:
Dave G 8-)
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Those towers are sweet...the 5ISA/ 7 Zorro II/III slot board in there served me flawlessly for years in mine with GGate and a bunch of Zorro stuff.
The Warp Engine '040 and SCSI is the dogs bollocks too...fast as lightning...I almost regretted giving mine up for the Cyberstorm '060
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If it's an e-Bay auction, stick to your maximum and don't get emotions get in the way of what is possible. Afterall, seems like I was a bit off... ;-)
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Be careful of contacting sellers that contact you after an auction. There are many scammers that try to fool you into thinking they are the seller of the item and get you to send them money for something they do not have, then disappear.
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Yeah, I don't like the way it went.
I already have a warp engine 040 40mhz and about 94 meg ram total in my current system with CV64 3D.
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Kin-Hell wrote:
To be fair, the Warp Engine is worth £175.00 (228 Euro's) of anyones money.
Surely not? That is one hell of a chunk of change. I have paid in the recent past £35 for an A3640/25 and £65 for an Apollo 4040/40. Do you think an 040 accelerator can go that high? You are entering 060 Cyberstorm MKI/II territory!
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A4000D in decent condition should be worth at least $100.
Try tripling that there bud!
Nice system, I would say $500 to $600 USD. More or less over the pond.
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alexh wrote:
Kin-Hell wrote:
To be fair, the Warp Engine is worth £175.00 (228 Euro's) of anyones money.
Surely not? That is one hell of a chunk of change. I have paid in the recent past £35 for an A3640/25 and £65 for an Apollo 4040/40. Do you think an 040 accelerator can go that high? You are entering 060 Cyberstorm MKI/II territory!
Respect to your Amiga-Wiseness Alexh, but how much is it worth to put 128Mb ram into your Amiga? People pay over £200 for DKB memory cards & it`s about 20-30% slower than the Fast Ram on the mobo. Also, the Warp Engine 040/40 was much faster than other makes of 040/40. Tbqh, forgetting actual CPU MIPS, I`d rate hard drive access & snapiness of the Amigas Desktop to be huge over the 060 card. The 060 despite being faster in MIPS is severely held back with emulated 040 Libs. 128mb of 60ns ram on a Warp 040/40 is mentally fast.
The Warp manual warns that not using 60ns ram for the 40mhz 040 will mean you have to enable a wait-state for the slower ram by fitting a jumper. Forcing this on the 60ns ram & making it run at 70ns is noticably & appreciably slower. If you could see mine running, I`m sure you would appreciate it`s value. It`s awesome for an 040 card. Wonder what a true 50Mhz 040 on less volts with 50ns ram woulda gone like!? WOW!
MkII 060`s have gone for as much as £250 for just the card & just over £340 with hard drive & cables & original box.
I`m toying with selling mine. It`s not being used & is part of a big clearout I`m having soon. Maybe £150 is better inc insured postage, but then in all honesty, anything is only worth what someone is willing to pay anyways. But to put 128Mb ram with a blazingly fast 040 behind it with onboard SCSI II is worth £150 to anyone, surely!? ;-)
Best wishes,
Kin :-)
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amigadave wrote:
PicassoII is another $150 to $200.
All Hard Drives combined aren't worth much, maybe $30
I'd say that as insane price for PicassoII :) Maybe for the PIV or CV64(/3D), but not for PII.
And too much for that big HDs too.. should be easy to find for free. Bigger ones too.
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pVC wrote:
amigadave wrote:
PicassoII is another $150 to $200.
All Hard Drives combined aren't worth much, maybe $30
I'd say that as insane price for PicassoII :) Maybe for the PIV or CV64(/3D), but not for PII.
And too much for that big HDs too.. should be easy to find for free. Bigger ones too.
and yet PIV's have been selling as high as 300 Euros recently.....
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As can be seen Here......
O M G (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amiga-VillageTronic-Picasso-IV-Graphics-card_W0QQitemZ180221686935QQihZ008QQcategoryZ162QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
:-D
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Kin-Hell wrote:
As can be seen Here......
O M G (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amiga-VillageTronic-Picasso-IV-Graphics-card_W0QQitemZ180221686935QQihZ008QQcategoryZ162QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
:-D
I bought mine unboxed for £150 less than 1 month ago.
I think it's just freak A$$tunnel Amiga collectors who want the box!
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pVC wrote:
$150. I'd say that as insane price for PicassoII :) Maybe for the PIV or CV64(/3D), but not for PII.
Eh? $150 = £75. That's the normal price for a PII
Kin-Hell wrote:
But to put [WarpEngine] 128Mb ram with a blazingly fast 040 behind it with onboard SCSI II is worth £150 to anyone, surely!?
I would say that it was "all the money" at £150. I bought an Apollo 4040 last month for £65. Ok it's not quite as good as a WarpEngine but it is close.