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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: fatman2021 on July 31, 2003, 09:38:59 AM
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If you would like to see Gforce4 support for the AmigaOne reply here...
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YES ! :-D
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now that would be grand. i have a gforce 4, its a cool GFX card, looks nice when running gnome desktop on mandrake.. would look better with aOS on there tho, can you imagine ??
Kevin :-) :-)
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It will be supported thanks to the SNAP p96 driver, so why reinvent the wheel?
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yep, would be cool. then my PC might lose a graphics card :-)
SNAP drivers are supposed to be coming at a later release, so said that 9MB MP3 didn't it?
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It will be supported thanks to the SNAP p96 driver, so why reinvent the wheel?
AFAIK SNAP only supports 2D stuff - for 3D, only a software renderer would work :-(
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Can anyone remember what Ben said about the SNAP drivers? I asked a question throught the UGN ICQ, missed the answer, and the only audio I can find misses out the first part of his explanation :-( :roll:
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fatman2021 wrote:
If you would like to see Gforce4 support for the AmigaOne reply here...
You mean "Gforce 4 support for OS4", right? ;-)
That would *only* be interesting if you mean full 3D support. If not the 3D functions of that card can be used, then there are some really nice fanless 2D cards that might be more interesting.
BTW, Nvidia only supports pre-compiled drivers for Linux, right? Does anyone know if they support the PPC?
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Who cares about NVidia. Except those who still lack a vacuumcleaner.
And big boys say NVidia cheats on 3D benchmarks.
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"BTW, Nvidia only supports pre-compiled drivers for Linux, right? Does anyone know if they support the PPC?"
no, they don't
there was some time ago a web with a petition to nVidia to release PPC versions for linux but I can't remember the URL...
BTW Radeons work quite well, are cheap and fast, the Amiga/MorphOS native drivers will probably work quite well, you can buy one in any pc shop... well, I can't see the point in trying to support undocumented hardware that gets hot too fast when you can have full support and documentation for Radeons (and the run a bit cooler).
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Bleh!
I dont like these forums where you have to reply if you want to see something on amiga.
Geforce or ATI, I dont care. Let OS4 be released FIRST! :-D
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NVidia cards are hot, noisy, and there is nothing on an A1 that'll need their (often lied about) power anyway.
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And big boys say NVidia cheats on 3D benchmarks.
Gawd not again... All the big graphics chipset makers have been caught cheating on benchmarks!
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And big boys say NVidia cheats on 3D benchmarks.
and the rest just pay for thier results :lol:
3dmark beta program (http://www.futuremark.com/betaprogram/)
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YES. As a GeForce 4 owner, I would like to see A1 support for them.
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So you're saying you want a computer and an OS that works with your GPU, not a GPU that works with your OS/computer?
That's like shopping for the right car to install your stereo in, and you KNOW IT! ;-)
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@ olegil
A bit of a chicken egg issue here :-) If I had OS4 before I bought the card, I would go for a card that works with the OS. Now I have the card, and it works very nicely, I'd like OS4 to work with it, because it works with everything else (except with X and accelerated drivers) :-)
... and it saves me money.
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@olegil
I've done that before. :lol:
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What's that? G-Force '040 for the Amiga? Already bought mine thank you so very much, just missed the delivery guy this morning :-( . It's wonderfully supported once I buy a 2.04 or greater KS Rom... :-( :-(
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The geoforce 4 is an old card the fx is the one i would want.
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I'd love to see Nvidia support either for A1 or Peg...Nvidia's by far the biggest bargain in the Wintel world...have good clean drivers and nice and stable... so their good for games and application 3D... ATI's alright...but the drivers for WinTel suck... although on MOS ATI seems fine.... I'd still like to be able to recycle my Nvidia cards :P
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why would anyone want 2d only support for a nvidia card? only great thing about geforce card is the 3d capabilities, but it is not possible with a decent 3d hardware driver for os4 since nvidia wont give out any driver specs for 3th party driver developers... :-( Best drivers we would see would be based on the open source drivers for nix, which has basicly no 3d hardware support at all.
Every other card like matrox, ati and so on, has much better 2d capabilite than any nvidia card anyways..
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BTW, Nvidia only supports pre-compiled drivers for Linux, right? Does anyone know if they support the PPC?
Seems to only support x86/x86-64
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And big boys say NVidia cheats on 3D benchmarks.
Even ati tweaked there drivers for a better bench mark . :-o
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I AM SO SICK OF THESE THREADS!!!!
What's the deal with all of these "If you 'd like to see (blank) support on an AmigaOne/Pegasos/whatever reply here" threads. I mean, doesn't this seem a little stupid to anyone else?
Why would someone NOT want support for as many popular and modern cards/cpus/RAM/whatever as possible so we can have the variety of choice to design our systems according to our specific needs and wants...Isn't this the point of using PCI and AGP busses in the first place instead of having onboard dedicated graphic and sound hardware??
Every time I see one of these questions I want to reply Yes, of course I do, Why the hell wouldn't I?? I understand we need to generate some response to show what particular hardware the community is more interested in seeing supported first, but trying to draw the line between Gforce support and other graphic cards is just dumb. Even if it's the only one we don't have, why wouldn't we want it, it's only the other top of the line GPU available today.
I can't imagine why anyone would want their OS to support only one chipset and not the other.
Do I want to see support for the G5 someday? Yes, do I want to see support for Gforce? Yes, Do I want USB, of course I do, do I want firewire and Serial ATA, no I'd rather we try to bring back MFM and RLL, I mean come on, these are really pointless threads, and it seems like we're getting more and more and more of them.
They're not even asking legitimate questions like "How soon should Hyperion/AmigaInc/Genesi/whoever start making the push to adopt AGP8x, or 64-bit processors, or something"
They're just 'If you'd like to see your new OS support a modern piece of hardware that is popular and available for pretty much every other computer system and quickly establishing itself as one of the industry standards reply here"
Maybe I'll start a thread to see who wants to see support for Logitech mice.
Then I'll start a seperate one for who wants to see support for Kensington mice.
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nvidia linux drivers are the best 3d aceleration is briliant with the unreal demo is very nice and fast with nvidia linux drivers. :-)
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@ Wain
I have to agree :-)
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@Wain - I haven't been paying attention, but I assume whoever's running them is going to cap it off with "Buy a Mac!," "Buy a PC!," or something else "amusing" at the end.
Anyhow, SNAP is great, 2D support off the bat (well, whenever it appears integrated; I'd rather hope they get it out for the initial 4.0 pressing, as otherwise, it's sort of a moot point- without it, you'll need a fairly cutting-edge ATI? card or a rare Voodoo3? just to boot, anyway...), little need to even worry about native 2D drivers just yet, as SciTech know what they're doing... 3D support is basically a separate issue, technically, and can be integrated into Warp3D or whatever the heck we're talking about here when/as it's possible.
Both ATI and NVidia seem to prove the biggest jerks always win. Lately, ATI tries to do the right thing and fails (Windows drivers, and I shan't forget my Rage II+DVD boxes with the horrible 'black snow' bug that shows up at 800x600 or higher), while NVidia sticks to what might make them profitable (Cg, proprietary initiatives... I still remember the pay drivers from a few years ago, has everyone else forgotten?)... Choose your poison. I lean towards ATI's "ethics" lately, but fact is, the graphics market would suck even worse if one of them disappeared.
If all you need is 2D, the low-end Matrox line still seems to fit the bill. What're these fanless cards someone spoke of?
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And big boys say NVidia cheats on 3D benchmarks.
hehehe I think NVIDIA termed it a "Product enhancment". That is the NVIDIA Drivers detects when 3D Mark was run and drop the texture quality slightly (plus other things I guess ) to produce a slightly better result. ATI do this as well. They just don't get caught.
What you have to remember is though is that AOS4 won't have DirectX. It will use Mesa aka OpenGL. Given this, NVIDIA has always been an OpenGL Card. The drivers support directx though. ATI is designed to be a directx card. As such NVIDIA cards have an edge in OpenGL performance over ATI.
It really doesn't matter what card you use. There wont be anything on Amiga that needs such awsome power of the Radeon 9800 for a long time ( if ever ). So it will just be a bugdet prefference unless your religion prohibits you from buying NVIDIA ;-)
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ronybeck wrote:
And big boys say NVidia cheats on 3D benchmarks.
hehehe I think NVIDIA termed it a "Product enhancment". That is the NVIDIA Drivers detects when 3D Mark was run and drop the texture quality slightly (plus other things I guess ) to produce a slightly better result. ATI do this as well. They just don't get caught.
The latest (NVidia) thing is that they rewrote some major aspect of their renderer to produce an acceptable result in the benchmark. Some arm-twisting got Futuremark to agree that it's an "application-specific optimization," but it was a bit more severe than ATI's past "Quack"ery. Changing the angle at which the scene was rendered would totally destroy the image, as opposed to things like texture-quality hacks (ATI fessed up to something subtle, too, but subtle enough that it didn't really up their numbers much, either)... Whether you consider that an "acceptable" optimization is up to you; fact is, they got in a tight spot, don't agree with some of the direction "standards" (DX9, etc, vs. their own Cg, etc.) are taking anyway, had to put a chip out the door on an old process with a fan the size of a kitchen appliance, and optimized the specific benchmark case to heck to try to keep some face.
Since most actual 3D apps let you move the 'camera' (player movement in an FPS, rotation/etc in CAD or data vis), it was considered a pretty severe cheat... er, "artificial optimization," as these things go. Meanwhile, ATI's had driver/design bugs in the past that just totally ruin rendering to begin with... (Something to do with the sky in some popular demo, around the release of the initial Radeon... and those Rage II+DVDs I loathe so much can't even get 2D right. ;))
Tons of articles on the subject, if you Google around.
What you have to remember is though is that AOS4 won't have DirectX. It will use Mesa aka OpenGL. Given this, NVIDIA has always been an OpenGL Card. The drivers support directx though. ATI is designed to be a directx card. As such NVIDIA cards have an edge in OpenGL performance over ATI.
I don't really know. Maybe they do optimize this way, but I assume NVidia is most concerned about pushing their own technologies that bring them revenue and a hope of mindshare/lock-in (Cg, again, being the example I know of off the top of my head). Apple certainly doesn't use DirectX, and ATI's had a few wins there, though that's also political after the whole "NVidia leak" BS there. Do benchmarks back this up, and can anyone trust them either way anyway? ;)
It really doesn't matter what card you use. There wont be anything on Amiga that needs such awsome power of the Radeon 9800 for a long time ( if ever ). So it will just be a bugdet prefference unless your religion prohibits you from buying NVIDIA ;-)
If we get some ports of "big-name" games, hopefully we'll see it sooner, rather than later. However, since we'll be using the relatively agnostic OpenGL, and/or Warp3D which nobody in the "real world" has heard of anyway, I think we can reduce it to "a fast card is a fast card;" the biggest predictor of performance issues will probably be the openness of the vendors, since most drivers will probably be third-party (SciTech, Hyperion, P96?). Right now, this favors ATI, but for all we know, NVidia will overcompensate in our favor once they realize they're losing friends. ("Hey, who cares if we give the Amiga nuts some specs? Nobody uses those, anyway, and it'll make a good press release." :-D)