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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: wandeep on February 26, 2008, 12:30:47 AM
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Hi,
Sorry for the long post :-)
I'm having trouble getting my old "Power Computing" CD ROM Drive working on my A1200. It use to work on my old hard drive, but that's failed now so I have had to install a new hard drive with workbench 3.0 (manual install since I don't have the Install disk).
I have a PCMCIA Squirrel adaptor connected to the CD ROM drive. The CR DOM drive has 2 SCSI connectors on the back and some phono sockets for audio in/out and power. I understand that the CD ROM has internal termination so it has to be at the end of the SCSI chain. I have no other SCSI devices so this should be ok. Also the SCSI ID has been hardwired to be 3.
I have booted up my hard drive with workbench 3.0 and then installed the floppy disk that was supplied with the CD ROM drive. The installation copies lots of files etc. The CD ROM drive appears in the SCSI Mounter application as:
Unit: 3
Drive Type: SANYO CRD-250S
Rev: 1.19
Cap: Unknown
Status: not ready
When I select the drive and click on the Mount button, I get the error message "Error: Device not of required type".
So I try re-booting but see no CD0: icon :-(
When I attempt to use the Squirrel tools to mount CD0: I get a message saying it's already mounted! However I can not see or access CD0: via the shell or DOpus.
I have checked the CD0: icon information (SYS:Dev/DOSDrivers) and it is as follows:
ACTIVATE=1
DEVICE=cd.device
UNIT=0
FLAGS=1
I'm running out of ideas. Like I said the drive use to work many years ago on my old hard drive, but since I have installed a new hard drive and loaded Workbench 3.0 onto it I can not get it to work.
Note: I do not have the Workbench 3.0 Install disk, so I had to manually copy the other 5 WB disks to the hard drive. Would this make a difference???
Please help :-(
Apologies for the lenghy post, I wanted to get as much info down to help diagnose the problem.
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I have checked the CD0: icon information (SYS:Dev/DOSDrivers) and it is as follows:
ACTIVATE=1
DEVICE=cd.device
UNIT=0
FLAGS=1
I believe this should be DEVICE=squirrelscsi.device :rtfm:
But not sure :-?
Have a look here http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=28062&highlight=squirrel somebody else had the same problem but with a 600.
Dave G 8-)
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Sorry, I meant to ask - are you using the Squirrel install disk to set this up. :idea:
It should work perfectly with that. Mine did many years ago :-)
Dave G 8-)
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Yeah, using the original disks that came with CD ROM drive.
I tried changing DEVICE=squirrel.device
still no luck :-(
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wandeep wrote:
Yeah, using the original disks that came with CD ROM drive.
I tried changing DEVICE=squirrel.device
still no luck :-(
I edited my text earlier - I think it should be squirrelscsi.device.
Also you need the discs for the Squirrel. You perhaps don't even need those that came with your CD.
Dave G 8-)
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I don't remember having any other Squirrel disks, just the ones that came with the CD ROM drive.
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davideo wrote:
I have checked the CD0: icon information (SYS:Dev/DOSDrivers) and it is as follows:
ACTIVATE=1
DEVICE=cd.device
UNIT=0
FLAGS=1
I believe this should be DEVICE=squirrelscsi.device :rtfm:
But not sure :-?
Just spotted something in your earlier message - if the unit is hardwired as 3 then UNIT must be set the same i.e. UNIT=3
Dave G 8-)
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wandeep wrote:
I don't remember having any other Squirrel disks, just the ones that came with the CD ROM drive.
You have PM ;-)
Dave G 8-)
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Tried that too...no joy :-(
Thanks for all your help and suggestions...I'm going to throw the towel in for now (1am lol)...maybe try again later
Cheers
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You're welcome and don't forget to check your PMail ;-)
Dave G 8-)
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wandeep wrote:
--zip--
I have checked the CD0: icon information (SYS:Dev/DOSDrivers) and it is as follows:
ACTIVATE=1
DEVICE=cd.device
UNIT=0
FLAGS=1
UNIT=3 !!! Other flags and tooltypes are OK.
BTW: if you have a surf Squirrel, the install disk image is here (http://l8r.net/install/hard_drive_cont/SurfSquirrel.dms)
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Update:
I managed to get my old HD to boot up (eventually) and it supports the CD ROM drive as CD0: It works fine (as expected).
So I checked the CD0: icon properties and it's as the default values in my 1st post i.e. UNIT=0 and DEVICE=cd.device
I also checked in the Squirrel SCSI Mounter application and it appears in the list, but has the Capacity and Status as "ready". When running on my new HD, there is no capacity and the Status is "not ready".
So I'm thinking there must be an issue with my new HD Workbench setup. I don't have the Workbench Install disk so I had to manually copy each of the Workbench disks to my HD.
Do you think using the Install disk differs a lot from manually copying the Workbench disks to the HD?
Could it cause the problem I am having?
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The original Workbench install discs do more than just copy the files onto your hard drive. They also set up a lot of paths and assigns that let your Amiga know where to find things on your hard drive.
I'd suggest that you have a hunt around and try and locate the right install disk for your version of Workbench.
Did you actually run the Squirrel install script? :rtfm:
Dave G 8-)
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I've not had a chance to try the Squirrel disk yet.
I'm hoping to get an Install disk and re-install my new HD and then try the CD ROM setup again.
All this is in preparation to install OS 3.5 via CD ROM lol
I'm assuming OS 3.5 can be installed on top of Workbench 3.0???
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you also have PMail :-)
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wandeep wrote:
you also have PMail :-)
I think - therefore I am !! Sorry wrong place :crazy:
I believe this is a 2 stage process.
Ignore the CD drive until your Hard drive is set up correctly and running.
Then plug in the Squirrel and CD Drive and boot from the HD and stick in the Squirrel set up disk and run the install script off there.
I'm not sure if 3.5 includes full scsi support or not. I know 3.9 is suppossed too. I've got that on my 4000D.
Dave G 8-)
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I will attemp that :-)
Cheers
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if you intend to install OS3.5 then you realy need to fit 3.1roms. a set of 3.1 sys discs will cost you £11.75 from amigakit, and the roms are £17.99 + p&p
1st install wb 3.1
connect scsi cd & switch on
2nd install scsi software disc (1)
see that CD0 is in dev/driver`s
in tooltypes edit DEVICE=Squirelscsi.device
UNIT=3
rename CD0 to CD3, double click to mount it then reboot.
you should now see your cd disc when you insert it.
install OS3.5 is in 2 steps pre-installation and main installation.
you might find that after the pre-install your CD3 icon has disapeared from dev/drivers ? it happens .
just do the same as above again.
then do the main install of OS3.5
dont forget to fixfonts.
this will get you up and running.
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Thanks for the info.
I'm not sure if OS3.5 can be installed on a clean drive? I was planning to create a boot floopy disk which had support for the CD ROM. If I boot from that and then run through the installation stages, I think it should work on a clean drive?
If not, I've read somewhere that the OS3.5 CD contains WB3.1 so I can install that first and then continue with the other installation steps.
My Kickstart 3.1 ROMS are on order, so will obviously have to wait for them to arrive before installing OS3.5 :-)
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you cannot install OS3.5 on a clean hd.
you must have a wb sys installed first,albiet wb3.0 or 3.1.
as wb3.0 has been freely available on amiga format cd`s since approx 1998.
i dont see any problem in sending you a copy of the install disc.
OS3.5 does have wb3.1 on it.
if you do install OS3.5,from wb3.0 then 3.1, you WILL find your CD3 icon missing.
been there :-) its a real pain to install from wb3.0.
thats why i recommend for you to get a set of wb3.1 disc`s in the first place.
by the way i hope you have at least a 8mb mem card installed? an 030 accelerator would be better.
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I have a 030 accelerator card with 4MB Fast Ram in addition to the 2MB Chip Ram...so hopefully that will be enough?
Not sure if it's worth upgrading...haven't really looked at the options or prices yet.
I'm just waiting for my Kickstart 3.1 ROMs to arrive before I attempt the installation.
I am getting a bit confused though, some people say OS3.5 can be installed on a clean drive and others say you need to install WB3.0/3.1 first.
If I need to install WB3.0 first, then I will need the WB3.0 Install disk. I have all the other original disks, just not the install disk.
I'm thinking how it would be possible to install without a prior installation of WB3.x I guess just having a floppy boot disk with CD ROM support isn't enough? I've heard if I do this, it will not "see" the Hard drive and therefore try to install OS3.5 to the floppy? Can anyone confirm this please?
Thanks :-)
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UNIT=3 !!! Other flags and tooltypes are OK.
BTW: if you have a surf Squirrel, the install disk image is here (http://l8r.net/install/hard_drive_cont/SurfSquirrel.dms)
big time thanks to you! mine just arrived today from across the atlantic w/no install disk and i needed this so bad!
:)
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Alert: post has been hijacked by Amiga moron!
Seriously sorry wandeep. It sounds like maybe you didn't get yours working. You are a lot closer than I am though. Your device is actually being read. I have this really crummy CD drive I bought off Ebay that said in the ad it did SCSI and right on the CD-ROM it says "parallel CD-ROM." It's H45 Technology Corp. Quick CD Parallel Port CD-ROM(yes I was dismayed to see that printed right on the case of the unit. another poster informed me of the existence of an Amiga Parallel CD-ROM driver from Aminet, which is experimental and Amiga parallel I guess is pretty slow, haven't tried it yet.) I got the PC drivers for it. I got the Squirrel disks (and figured out how to decompress dms to adf with this nice BSD/Linux prog called xdms) and I do the "Surf-Install" from I'd guess it's disk 1 of this 4 disk set that I think originally came with Squirrel. That goes fine. Then I try "SCSI-Install" and I get this error: FOREACH: Can't examine file or drawer DOS Error Type: Unable to locate a file or drawer
It obviously wants some partition called FOREACH: but why? I don't get why the SCSI-Install prog would do that. It should just find the correct volume on the bootable Workbench: partition I would think. Only other partition on my HD is Work: and that has all my games as well as other apps in it. And strangely: I too get "device already mounted" when I click CD0 in DOSDrivers
Good luck figuring ANYTHING out from my post here. I'll be very impressed if anyone knows what I should do. At least this SCSI-Install asking for a partition it shouldn't problem solved would be nice so when I actually get a real SCSI CD-ROM it'll do something.
You never know. I got it connected right. Maybe this CD-ROM will work once I get SCSI-Install run proper.
Thanks for ANY type of attention to this post.
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Hooking a parallel port device up to a SCSI adapter sounds like a very bad idea, in addition to most assuredly not working it may be able to break things.
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Hooking a parallel port device up to a SCSI adapter sounds like a very bad idea, in addition to most assuredly not working it may be able to break things.
Yes that is obvious. But this is supposed to work on Parallel or SCSI. It may not. The seller maybe just either was lying or thought since it was 25-pin Dsub that it'd work on SCSI. I doubt it though. I don't have the right adapter to hook it to my PC so I can't test it on a PC unless I get that. Of course I could hook it to the parallel port on a PC as it is, just not the SCSI. Please answer my question about why the SCSI-Install is giving me the error asking for some phantom partition called FOREACH:
see post above for this. also, i am wondering since squirrel is a PCMCIA to SCSI adapter, why does it have 2 install programs on different disks: SCSI-Install and one called Surf-install. It looks like there is 4 disks that came with this thing. Of course the one I bought didn't have any software with it so I got it from another person here. Just please if you know why SCSI-Install is asking for FOREACH: then answer. If you don't know what that is then don't. I guess I shouldn't have said I was an Amiga retard because I'm really not retarded enough to think a Parallel only device is going to work on a SCSI chain.
For most people who use Squirrel: did you do Surf-Install or did you do SCSI-Install? Did you then just run SCSIMounter and your CD drive worked? Help on this please
note: it's also got another disk that's for installing Jaz Drive devices but I'm not going to be using that of course.
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First of all, remember that there were two versions of the Squirrel SCSI adapter made:
1. Surf Squirrel - which includes a serial port.
2. Squirrel - which does NOT include a serial port.
Make sure you have the correct install disk(s) for your adapter, you can find them by following this link:
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/squirrel
And remember - the CD0: icon information SHOULD look like this:
ACTIVATE=1
DEVICE=squirrelscsi.device
UNIT=3
FLAGS=1
With squirrelscsi.device as DEVICE - NOT cd.device, scsi.device or squirrel.device. The UNIT should also be set to 3 and not 0.
This is the CD0: icon information, but have you also looked at the actual mountlist? Just open CD0 in a text editor (like Ed), you can do this by entering the following in shell: Ed SYS:Devs/DOSDrivers/CD0
One important entry in this file is FILESYSTEM, make sure that the file mentioned here exists on your system (should be in Sys:L)
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Alert: post has been hijacked by Amiga moron!
Seriously sorry wandeep. It sounds like maybe you didn't get yours working. You are a lot closer than I am though. Your device is actually being read. I have this really crummy CD drive I bought off Ebay that said in the ad it did SCSI and right on the CD-ROM it says "parallel CD-ROM." It's H45 Technology Corp. Quick CD Parallel Port CD-ROM(yes I was dismayed to see that printed right on the case of the unit. another poster informed me of the existence of an Amiga Parallel CD-ROM driver from Aminet, which is experimental and Amiga parallel I guess is pretty slow, haven't tried it yet.) I got the PC drivers for it. I got the Squirrel disks (and figured out how to decompress dms to adf with this nice BSD/Linux prog called xdms) and I do the "Surf-Install" from I'd guess it's disk 1 of this 4 disk set that I think originally came with Squirrel. That goes fine. Then I try "SCSI-Install" and I get this error: FOREACH: Can't examine file or drawer DOS Error Type: Unable to locate a file or drawer
It obviously wants some partition called FOREACH: but why? I don't get why the SCSI-Install prog would do that. It should just find the correct volume on the bootable Workbench: partition I would think. Only other partition on my HD is Work: and that has all my games as well as other apps in it. And strangely: I too get "device already mounted" when I click CD0 in DOSDrivers
Good luck figuring ANYTHING out from my post here. I'll be very impressed if anyone knows what I should do. At least this SCSI-Install asking for a partition it shouldn't problem solved would be nice so when I actually get a real SCSI CD-ROM it'll do something.
You never know. I got it connected right. Maybe this CD-ROM will work once I get SCSI-Install run proper.
Thanks for ANY type of attention to this post.
I strongly suspect that your CD drive indeed is a parallel port device and not a real scsi device, but I can understand why the seller maybe was mislead to think it was a scsi device since the Windows 9x PC it was connected to probably would have reported it to be a scsi device. It was this way it was possible to connect devices other than printers to the parellel ports of pc's back in the day - by pretending the pc had a scsi controller which the device was connected to.
As for the FOREACH: problem you mention, I don't think that it has anything to do with a missing volume, instead I think it refers to the type of problem it encountered in the install program. I assume you try to run the prog in shell, and if this is the case, try to cd to the directory with the SCSI-Install file before starting it.
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also, i am wondering since squirrel is a PCMCIA to SCSI adapter, why does it have 2 install programs on different disks: SCSI-Install and one called Surf-install. It looks like there is 4 disks that came with this thing. Of course the one I bought didn't have any software with it so I got it from another person here.
SCSI-Install is for installing the actual SCSI port software.
Surf-install is for installing the serial port software.
And remember that unless you have a serial port on your squirrel adapter, you might have the wrong disks.
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i am having the same issue but my problem is the cable i have to replace it by opening the squirrel ,while moving cables it detected on the scsimounter ,i have also to internally put shunt on unit 2 ,and on the parity for it to detect ,put the active terminator and detected but changing the cd0 to cd 2 and unit=3 and device=squirrell.scsi
the cd icon didn´t appear i think i must replace the cable first then going deep inthe question :rtfm:
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just a thought ..but every time ive tried to get squirrel scsi working i always ended up having to rename CD0 to either CD1 or CD2 or CD3 ..
in devs ...that was when i was using a 1200 with dead ide port ..just a thought ..
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http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz97.htm
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yep that´s it if i had come to the site soon ....i had realised that my self the only problem is my lacie i bought had id select and i had to shunt directly because i didn´t know after i took for clean how to conect again
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i want a spare accelerator TOOOO :)
and my mtec 1230 i have to unplug it because the zorro 2 scsi expansion conflicts with squirrel scsi
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I have a surf squirrel at home and never was able to make it work with a SCSI device; i remember i bought a zip disc and a scanner (used also in my performa 6400) and i remember tha tevery time i tried to access some device the computer freezes; one thing that comes in my mind is that maybe the surf squirrel was conflicting with my viper EC030/28 and its 16 then 32 meg on board; any advice?
Saimon69
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I have a surf squirrel at home and never was able to make it work with a SCSI device; i remember i bought a zip disc and a scanner (used also in my performa 6400) and i remember tha tevery time i tried to access some device the computer freezes; one thing that comes in my mind is that maybe the surf squirrel was conflicting with my viper EC030/28 and its 16 then 32 meg on board; any advice?
Saimon69
Is it terminated properly? Are the Zip and scanner set with different SCSI unit numbers?
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it could be coonflit as mine is terminated by active and internally because i couldn´t figure out how to conect id selector again on the drive i had to unplug my mtec as the accellerator have zorro 2 expansion and conflits with squirrel fortunatly mtec has a turbo selector that enables card but not card clock i am going to try it later
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I believe this should be DEVICE=squirrelscsi.device :rtfm:
But not sure :-?
Have a look here http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=28062&highlight=squirrel somebody else had the same problem but with a 600.
Dave G 8-)
yes correct its squirrelscsi.device also make sure you last unit it terminated usually the cdrom seems everthing is mostley right i think hardware is fine from what u saying
I found the easiest software to try is idefix try demo and use scan device and should set up cd drivers cd0: for you automatically u have to tell it squirellscsi.device
I fould these device robust and bullet proof good luck
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@Amiduffer
They were, the zip drive had its own switch for termination and you were able to select unit 5 or 6, the scanner had an hardware terminator and was on (going by memory, its been 15 years) unit 3, never put those on a chain with the surfsquirrel since were unable to work alone...