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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: bodoquedoc on February 22, 2008, 10:53:44 PM
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Im new to this things i know noting about amiga hardware but im a toaster 4000 user.
How can i upgrade my amiga 4000
i have 16 ram, floppy 31/2
ide disk
i want to:
More RAM
another disk
cd or dvd (how to install and compatibility)
pc keybord, mouse and monitor.
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Not much to choose from at the moment:
Mediator - use PCI graphics, sound and ethernet cards
Lyra - PS/2 keyboard adaptor
Coccolino - PS/2 mouse adaptor
Fast ATA-MKIII - 4 device IDE card
Hopefully the Deneb USB card will be available soon, and will allow SATA HD, keyboard, mouse, ethernet etc.
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Any short PATA IDE CD/DVD will work.
Any PATA IDE hard drive will work.
Just plug the two into a single cable via the PATA IDE header on the Amiga motherboard.
You could even install your Amiga's new IDE hard drive using your PC and WinUAE before transferring it over to your Amiga. An easy way to install OS3.9 + BB2 + patches.
More RAM
1) Fastlane SCSI controller (64Mbytes) = £50-60
2) DKB 3128 Zorro III RAM card (128Mbytes) = £100-120
3) 680x0 accelerator (WarpEngine, Cyberstorm, Apollo) = £150-400
PC Keyboard and Mouse
COCOLINO PS/2 mouse adapter = £26
Lyra PS/2 keyboard adapter = £20
PC monitor
1) Scandoubler = £50-90
2) Picasso IV gfx card = £150
3) 15" LCDTV = £100
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AndrewBell wrote:
Fast ATA-MKIII - 4 device IDE card
That is A1200 only. Plus you dont need anything, the Amiga can use two IDE devices (Hard drive + DVD-RW) using just the internal IDE.
Why have two IDE disks when you can have one? An old PC hard drive of yesteryear (40Gig say) will be more than enough. You can use a PC to copy the files from the old drive to a new one using WinUAE.
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were can i find those things, i have workbench 3.0 whith videotoaster 4000 card, any support in san diego?
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bodoquedoc wrote:
were can i find those things
They dont sell RAM upgrades anymore you'll need to search on http://www.ebay.com
For the mouse/keyboard adapter you can get them from http://www.amigakit.com
A US company which sells Amiga stuff is: http://www.softhut.com
bodoquedoc wrote:
i have workbench 3.0
It might also be advisable to get a KS3.1 ROM upgrade.
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alexh wrote:
Fast ATA-MKIII - 4 device IDE card
That is A1200 only.
Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=381&osCsid=e9a3c9345b039dd4f962d67c29984a25
You must be confusing the PowerFlyer and FastATA.
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AndrewBell wrote:
Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong:
No I am not. Amiga kit has mislabeled it.
http://www.elbox.com/products.html
FastATA MK-III is the A1200 one.
FastATA 4000 is the Zorro III one.
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Whath is a KS3.1 ROM?
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bodoquedoc wrote:
Whath is a KS3.1 ROM?
Kickstart 3.1 ROM. It's the boot chip inside the Amiga. The last version was 3.1, you may have an earlier 3.0 one
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alexh wrote:
No I am not. Amiga kit has mislabeled it.
No they haven't, it's called a FastATA Mk-III on the Elbox site too. Or have they got the name wrong as well?
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If you go mediator pci - you won't be able to use it with toaster. none of the mediators work with VT.
Get coccolino..
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OK if i connect a cd-rom or dvd rw to my amiga 4000, do i have to install, or directly detect my drive, i have the ks 3.0
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bodoquedoc wrote:
OK if i connect a cd-rom or dvd rw to my amiga 4000, do i have to install, or directly detect my drive, i have the ks 3.0
You will need a CD filesystem (AmiCDFS or CachCDFS), which should include a suitable mountlist.
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bodoquedoc wrote:
Im new to this things i know noting about amiga hardware but im a toaster 4000 user.
How can i upgrade my amiga 4000
i have 16 ram, floppy 31/2
ide disk
i want to:
More RAM
another disk
cd or dvd (how to install and compatibility)
pc keybord, mouse and monitor.
How many zorro slots do you have open? You could add a Budha IDE controller to speed up disk access. If you have the 3.11 ROMs and take some time to check out these forums you can simply add a large hard drive instead of two. You'll want to look at IDE97 and SFS (http://strohmayer.org/sfs/) to support larger hard drives. With the Budha you will have an extra IDE header to connect a CD or DVD ROM whihc are supported by IDEFIX97.
Then for more ram, I'd recommend finding an accelerator that takes fast ram to replace your existing.
As for keyboard and mouse, I agree that USB would be the way to go and give you the ability to use USB flash drives, hard drives, etc.
As for monitor - you really need to keep buying old 15Khz models unless you can find a good scan doubler that's compatible with the Toaster. This will be your hardest selection. (Also expensive.)
-Nyle
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Nlandas wrote:
You could add a Budha IDE controller to speed up disk access. With the Budha you will have an extra IDE header to connect a CD or DVD ROM whihc are supported by IDEFIX97.
You dont want a Buddha IDE controller. It is crap. Almost as slow as the internal one. Under 3Mbytes/s. The internal one also supports CD or DVD-ROM at the same time as a hard drive. Save your money.
Nlandas wrote:
If you have the 3.11 ROMs and take some time to check out these forums you can simply add a large hard drive instead of two.
There is no such thing as a 3.11 ROM, and you can add larger hard drives to any version of Kickstart. (With the right software)
Nlandas wrote:
As for keyboard and mouse, I agree that USB would be the way to go and give you the ability to use USB flash drives, hard drives, etc.
USB doesn't work as a keyboard/mouse in (most) games. Forget USB, get adapters which plug into the original mouse and keyboard sockets, a Lyra etc.
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alexh wrote:
USB doesn't work as a keyboard/mouse in (most) games. Forget USB, get adapters which plug into the original mouse and keyboard sockets, a Lyra etc.
He didn't mention games, he said he was a Toaster user. USB may be perfect for him.
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tanks you all for the support, i have installed the videotoaster 4000 and the software, run i change the ks rom i will install all the 3 1/2 software toaster?
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alexh wrote:
Nlandas wrote:
You could add a Budha IDE controller to speed up disk access. With the Budha you will have an extra IDE header to connect a CD or DVD ROM whihc are supported by IDEFIX97.
You dont want a Buddha IDE controller. It is crap. Almost as slow as the internal one. Under 3Mbytes/s. The internal one also supports CD or DVD-ROM at the same time as a hard drive. Save your money.
Nlandas wrote:
If you have the 3.11 ROMs and take some time to check out these forums you can simply add a large hard drive instead of two.
There is no such thing as a 3.11 ROM, and you can add larger hard drives to any version of Kickstart. (With the right software)
Nlandas wrote:
As for keyboard and mouse, I agree that USB would be the way to go and give you the ability to use USB flash drives, hard drives, etc.
USB doesn't work as a keyboard/mouse in (most) games. Forget USB, get adapters which plug into the original mouse and keyboard sockets, a Lyra etc.
Wow, almost seemed like I got attacked in this reply.
Let's see - my buddha runs a lot more smoothly than the built in IDE on my A4000 did. They are also not that hard to find for cheap and add a A1200 clock. The Buddha has two IDE headers which with IDE being a shared bus design putting the CDROM and hard drive on seperate channels allows them to be accessed simultaneously. Which should give you a speed boost even if the Buddhas transfer rate was identical to the built on A4000D IDE controller. Availbe here. (http://www.vesalia.de/e_buddha.htm)
Regardless, there are other add on IDE controllers that will give you an improvement over the built on A4000D IDE.
Yes, oooops, I managed to put an extra 1 after the 3.1. Sorry about that. I should have also elaborated with a recommendation to use AOS 3.9. Which is part of the discussion in most of the threads about large drive support I've read on amiga.org.
Since the original poster primarily mentioned Video Toaster use and not games, I mentioned a USB keyboard and mouse. I haven't read anywhere that they aren't compatible with workbench applications or VT use but I guess I should have prefaced that it's not really an 100% Amiga keyboard at that point.
Didn't think anything I said justified the tone though.
-Nyle
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AndrewBell wrote:
alexh wrote:
No I am not. Amiga kit has mislabeled it.
No they haven't, it's called a FastATA Mk-III on the Elbox site too. Or have they got the name wrong as well?
Boy no biggie Alexh - it's a Fast ATA 4000 Zorro card. (Yes, it's slightly listed wrong on AmigaKits site but it is a Zorro card.) Amigakit says they have it in stock. Even if you think the Buddha isn't worth it this controller is certainly a major upgrade to the built on A4000D controller.
Again it has two channels for simultaneous drive access from the two separate master drives.
Who "pee'd" in your corn flakes. I think we are all just trying to help the guy out. We all have different ideas of how best to expand our Amigas. I'm sure the gentleman asking the question can pick and choose from our advice.
I'd say 3.1 ROMs, 2 channel Zorro IDE controller(Don't care which), CPU Accelerator Card(With RAM slots), Amiga OS 3.9, IDEFIX97/IDEMAX97(Same thing I hear) and Smart File System for > 4GB support, for monitors that's the hardest to resolve just make sure any scan doubler is VT compatible or locate a true 15KHz monitor. (Not always easy today.) USB for keyboard mouse and many other USB devices like NICs, flash drives, etc. [But it all depends on how many Zorro slots he has open and my recomendations do probably slightly exceed what he really needs.] :-D
Either way, I never intended to say anyone was wrong and you seem to be upset with anyone who commented on the thread. :getmad:
-Nyle
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Either way, I never intended to say anyone was wrong and you seem to be upset with anyone who commented on the thread. :getmad:
You only upset him because you weren't agreeing with the road alexh thinks is the right way. I would just shake it off if I were you.
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AndrewBell wrote:
No they haven't, it's called a FastATA Mk-III on the Elbox site too.
No it's not. It's named FastATA 4000!
http://www.elbox.com/products/fast_ata_4000.html
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Sorry for snapping at Nlandas, but the Buddha and USB cards are (just IMHO) two of the most over-rated, over priced bits of Amiga hardware there are. It really gets me worked up when people recommend them without qualifying why.
USB is not a good solution JUST for Keyboard and Mouse (technically or economically). If you absolutely NEED USB for other things (USB-Key, scanner, printer etc.) it becomes justifiable, I guess. It will still piss you off the first application you come across that the keyboard doesnt work :-)
Again the buddha, as an IDE controller, just doesnt have enough advantages over the internal IDE to be justifiable (again, just my opinion).
But
If you need a catweasel (cos the new ones have buddha built in) and a clock port for another expansion, then it becomes more attractive.
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@alexh
No it's not. It's named FastATA 4000!
http://www.elbox.com/products/fast_ata_4000.html
Please look at the shop site here (http://eu-shop.elbox.com/cgibin/shop?show=4FA&sort=id&sid=77dfad51), were the FastATA 4000 is in fact called Fast ATA 4000 MK-III, so AndrewBell hasn't stated anything incorrect and amigakit.co.uk hasn't mislabeled their item. However, the MK-III term is mostly used for the Amiga 1200 version, so it's easy to get it mixed up.
As for the Buddha; you might think it's not a useable device, but the OP hasn't stated if he has a A4000D, A4000T or a towerised A4000D. If it's a towerised A4000D, the OP might want to have additional harddrives and/or CD/CDR or whatever installed, and the Buddha beats the internal IDE controller pretty easily then.
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