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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: trekiej on February 22, 2008, 04:24:41 AM
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If you could have an Amiga with a new main board which computers would you choose?
I would like to see the Amiga 3000 D and 4000 T.
Also the 1200 and CDTV would be cool.
:-)
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I need an A600 Mobo. Don't care which.
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Would you rather have an ATX format M/B which you could put in a new case?
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Yes, give me an ATX mobo any day, that way it doesn't have to go in a 20 year old yellow case. :-)
If I could get a new ATX Amiga motherboard, I'd like it to be made by a reputable company, e.g. Gigabyte that make the x86 motherboards.
If the director of Gigabyte went a bit insane and decided to put some resources into a new 68k/coldfire/ppc Amiga compatible motherboard, you can be sure it wouldn't be in development for an infinite amount of time, and when it came out it wouldn't need sending back for hardware fixed! :-)
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Anything faster than my A1 G4 1GHz, than has a PPC and can run OS4. Though I'm still happy with my configuration.
Varthall
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I would like to have an A4000T motherboard.
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An A1000 replacement mobo with AGA chipset.
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beakster2 wrote:
Yes, give me an ATX mobo any day, that way it doesn't have to go in a 20 year old yellow case. :-)
If I could get a new ATX Amiga motherboard, I'd like it to be made by a reputable company, e.g. Gigabyte that make the x86 motherboards.
If the director of Gigabyte went a bit insane and decided to put some resources into a new 68k/coldfire/ppc Amiga compatible motherboard, you can be sure it wouldn't be in development for an infinite amount of time, and when it came out it wouldn't need sending back for hardware fixed! :-)
Well, we already have that... it's called MiniMig and it's made and sold by ACube...
Anyway the original question is vague and unformed... Since Hardware is just a commodity now, what I'd raelly like to see is a PCI-Express2.0 backplane and PCI-E based CPU cards... then one could build a machine in any config you wanteded... not that I even think about desktops anymore... Give me my MBP any day! :-)
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An A1200 mobo that would enable you to use Zorro and PCI slots while maintaining the mobo in the original desktop case.
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Wolfe, Why not one of them Phoenix
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Protek wrote:
An A1200 mobo that would enable you to use Zorro and PCI slots while maintaining the mobo in the original desktop case.
That would be the A1200 cases made from TARDIS material, I presume?
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Vapir One (http://www.vaporshop.com/one-vaporizer.html)
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Wolfe wrote:
An A1000 replacement mobo with AGA chipset.
:lol: :roflmao:
Yes, I would also like a new ATX Amiga motherboard. 68k processor should be fine, maybe more than one type. Combined with PCI and zorro slots. A new Amiga keyboard instead of M$ keyboards would be nice :-)
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I understand the ATX statements. It would be cool to me if the A4000T and A3000T cases were remade to be ATX. I feel that a slight modification to the styling to differentiate the old and new to preserve history, maybe?
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I would like to have something like the BoXeR but in Micro-ATX format.
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A4000T ;-)
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Amiga on a PCI card would have been real cool!. To bad it never happened.
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i think the amiga one was a good idea looking back. at the time we all thought they were too expensive! (lol at ebay prices?)
what exactly happened with it? did they stop selling because they had no more stock of boards?
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I hope this question is a good continuance.
What Amiga would you like to resurect if possible?
That would include new chips, etc.
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It would have to be the walker, no sorry I meant to say A4000T with 16x PCIx for graphics, plus 6 ZorroIIIexpress slots.
I would like 68080/4ghz, but will settle for multicore PPC.
Any design using off-the-shelf components should use a common specification so we all have the same hardware, reducing the possibility of software crashes.
What we DON'T want, is to buy a new computer every 2 years, as happens with PC ownership.
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On reflection, I don't think we need the fastest DX10 graphics card available because the software producers will not port their 3d shooters to the tiny amiga market, so an HDTV capable, amiga compatible chipset, using FPGAs will be good enough, possibly supported by an openGL 3d graphics processor.
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monami wrote:
i think the amiga one was a good idea looking back. at the time we all thought they were too expensive!
What drugs are you smokin'? That was the biggest waste of development money in Amiga's history. It was out dated before it was even released and look at where it is now, dead. Had they gone down the x86 path we'd all be able to easily run OS4 without having to shell out for overpriced and outdated hardware. Had they gone x86, imagine how many people would be using OS4 now, a lot more that the handfull who own AmigaOne's and PPC classics.
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Protek wrote:
An A1200 mobo that would enable you to use Zorro and PCI slots while maintaining the mobo in the original desktop case.
And how do you think the Zorro and PCI cards will fit, if you use the the original desktop case?
The slots would either be vertically or horizontally (on the edge) mounted - but then - where in the original desktop case of an A1200 do you think is space enough to fit in the cards (how many, BTW?)?
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trekiej wrote:
If you could have an Amiga with a new main board which computers would you choose?
Anyone made from parts still in production. :)
Any AGA inspired thingy form 2-300 MHz and up would seriously kick butt.
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Dandy wrote:
Protek wrote:
An A1200 mobo that would enable you to use Zorro and PCI slots while maintaining the mobo in the original desktop case.
And how do you think the Zorro and PCI cards will fit, if you use the the original desktop case?
The slots would either be vertically or horizontally (on the edge) mounted - but then - where in the original desktop case of an A1200 do you think is space enough to fit in the cards (how many, BTW?)?
Outside the case, of course! At the end of a cable. That's why the mobo needs redesign. Or perhaps some Bodega Bay type expansion.
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if i understand the question. it's asking if a motherboard could be made to fit an amiga yet was a "modern" motherboard which machine should be used? well in which case i would like one that would fit an a500 or 1200. (for retro fun.) even though i'm not a fan of their keyboards. but obviously big box amigas would be better suited. then again what about one that would fit an atx case too! while you are at it make a nice new amiga case. or make some huge amiga stickers and an amiga faceplate. i don't mind an x86 mobo although it used to be an issue for most. and any mobo designed now even to fit the amiga market would have hardware i wouldn't need to question. i no longer buy computer shopper so i don't need all the xxx superchips. if it has pci slots (for atx case.) it's there to be upgraded!
i would prefer an amiga with a audio sequencer than a pc or mac. but stability and line6 gearbox plugin (if poss.) would be my killer app. :-)
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If there is one model i would like to see it's an A4000 Mobo in ATX form factor with pci and pci express slots (for cheap and modern cards) with the custom chips in emulation on FPGA chips.
Two zorro 3 slots for using our old cards would be nice!
The big problem with this is what to do with the 68K processor.
I do not know if 1: any FPGA is fast enough to emulate a 68K proc as fast as a real 060 or better.
Second to that a PPC PCI card PPC expansion so you can run OS4 also on it (cresendo/shark ppc cards ?!?)
And the 3rd problem is can anybody write decent drivers for new hardware in a reasonble time.
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PPC wrote:
If there is one model i would like to see it's an A4000 Mobo in ATX form factor with pci and pci express slots (for cheap and modern cards) with the custom chips in emulation on FPGA chips.
Two zorro 3 slots for using our old cards would be nice!
Zorro 3 is horribly antiquated and difficult to implement... are you really sure you'd want that?
The big problem with this is what to do with the 68K processor.
I do not know if 1: any FPGA is fast enough to emulate a 68K proc as fast as a real 060 or better.
No, not really. A 20MHz 020 would be a hard push... CPU's are complex beasts that require close integration between the fab process and architecture teams...
Second to that a PPC PCI card PPC expansion so you can run OS4 also on it (cresendo/shark ppc cards ?!?)
I think the cards are pretty cheap now, you just need to get Hyperion to port their OS t them... or use AROS... ;-)
And the 3rd problem is can anybody write decent drivers for new hardware in a reasonble time.
Use AROS drivers?
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Outside the case, of course! At the end of a cable. That's why the mobo needs redesign. Or perhaps some Bodega Bay type expansion.
:eek: :eek:
Why do some people just insist in getting up the worst possible solution for problems that shouldn't exist in the 1st place ???
a) make a standard ATX-board with all those slots
b) make a A1200-replacement with all the bells and whistles onboard
Everything else is just pure madness.
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Definitely a Nyx - the most advanced Amiga ever made, sadly not finished. (I don't consider Amiga Ones 'real' Amigas, they lack the magic.)
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unfortunatly no other amiga would come close in terms of usability for audio sequencing... none of them even with ppc upgrades (233mhz?) are really fast enough, thats why i never got one. let alone the onboard ide. (what are the requirements for hd-rec?)amiga one was closest but i was waiting till to see what panned out. then they disappeared! so did eyetech. i would like an amiga type os as an alterative as i've said for my purposes i don't need an amiga feel on it as already said thats gone along with jay miner... but its file system and way of working are welcome. and any new amiga is unlikely to have that "feel" either. better get used to the idea and move on. :-)