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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: CyberMech on July 29, 2003, 08:35:40 AM
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Hi there guys and gals!
I'd like to know if you would like an Amiga A1200 style AmigaOne?
Let's see what you think about it....
:rtfm:
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No
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No
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No, but I would you like to see an Amiga A600 style AmigaOne with a nice TFT display and a battery... ;-)
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No
How about an A1000 style?
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I'd like OS4 and MOS ported to Apple laptops. :-)
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I would, the A1200 was outstanding in it's day, (both for price and performance). An Amiga One with a similar design, take away the floppy and add a DVD and TV input/output and you'd have an outstanding portable system. :-D
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Mason wrote:
No, but I would you like to see an Amiga A600 style AmigaOne with a nice TFT display and a battery... ;-)
Mmmmm ....
TV-Out with optional TFT Monitor ? midrange Radeon ? equates roughly to N64 dunnit ?
@NitrousB & JoNty (sp) why not ?
Mason wrote:
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe . . .
"attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion..." :-D
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Yes I'd really like that. Kinda like an hybrid thing, between a laptop and a desktop, maybe with some advantages of both. Very cool.
The A1200 case is actuallly very good looking. Just change colour to that marine transparent blue like Macs and it's very attractive.
Another advantage is that the itx boards that are coming even have a PCI slot if I rember correctly and a CPU one!! So you could towerise the thing later if you wanted, or just upgrade to a better CPU, and GFX card.
And it's not that expensive.
I'd buy it right away, and use it to play DVDs in my living room. Actually with that PCI slot you could put in one of those Satellite / Digital TV cards and turn the thing into an amazing set top box. Or just run Linux and have little webserver for your site with very low power consumption. .....
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While I liked the all-in-one compact design, I'd rather have a full blown tower for expandibility. An A1200 design would be nostalgic but you'd be stuck with what's inside the case and most people would not have the knowledge to move everything into a tower. And have you ever spilled a drink on your Amiga? I did on my A500 and I had to pay $150 for repairs. The other night I knocked a glass of Coke(tm) all over my PeeCee keyboard and all I had to do was pop out the keys and give it a good clean. (It needed it anyway!)
Am I the only one who found the design of the A500 better looking than the A1200? It was much sleaker and I even think the keyboard felt better.
-CoolCPU-
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Yes, I alsi like the idea of a transparent blue, but leave most of it as is,(like the original A1200), and add some transparent stips to add originality, like where the CPU is located, that would be eyecatching. Too much blue would be overkill. Aparantly it does have a single PCI slot and the CPU is socketed, so expandability would be key here, extending the life way beyond that of the A1200s.
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Agafaster wrote:
"attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion..."
I watched C-Beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate...
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Imagine the amount of ports sticking out of the back/side.
Ser., par., phone jack, 2 USBs, ethernet, monitor, TV, RCAs, flat panel disply, firewire, PCMCIA (nah, that's retired), Irda, optical for 5.1 surround, 3 compact flash cards (who needs a hard drive?), and last but not least, a power plug.
Miss any?....speak now or forever hold your peace. ;-)
edit - I'd like to see it down to the size of a C64!!! Really! :-D - edit
edit2 - What would they think of THAT in 10 or 15 years!?!?!! - edit2
AmigaOne.5!!!
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seriously i mean NO ...but the a1200 was an option to all who had little money..
same as a500...
so yes i think amigaone one light should come, to have a smaller prie tag and maybe somewhat limited in some places, mainly because not everyone is as rich asthey want to be.
but if you talk of a desktop case etc, nah...just use mini ITX etc :)
i would have no prob with a 17cm x 17cm case :)
cheers
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Yes :-) Just a little console that you can plug straight in (even to a TV if you don't mind the terrible resolutions) and use straight away. IMO the current A1s won't be expanded that much ATM anyway - while developers are still supporting the old Phase5 cards, I doubt that many programs will stretch an A1 to the max. And the A1 lite will be far easier to towerise (no custom towers etc needed).
How long do you think it'll be after the A1 lite is released that someone will try it?
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Mason wrote:
I watched C-Beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate...
All those moments, will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time... to die.
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Mason wrote:
Agafaster wrote:
"attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion..."
I watched C-Beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate...
Like I've already seen it 20 times, now I gotta, again! :-D
Hi CyberMech,
Now I can't sleep, this is toooo exciting a thought. :-)
AmigaOne! Its' derivatives will be sought out, far and wide!!!!
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a1 in one of those mini cube things would be sweet with the original amiga badge blasted all over the sides and neon lights inside showing off all of its glory through the transparent lid... :-)
dunno about in an a1200 case tho, would it fit? nah, leave the a1200 as a classic miggy :-)
Kev
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dunno about in an a1200 case tho, would it fit? nah, leave the a1200 as a classic miggy.
The A1200 is a true classic I agree, but being that they'r still in use today goes to show you that an updated version would be a great idea, and possibly seller as well, a small functional computer, why would you want a box, no matter how small.
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It's too bad she won't live, but then again, who does?
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Yes, as an extremely cheap home computer for an age group far below current Amiga users, based on a Pegasos/Morphos or A1 in mini-itx format (a P64/A64, so to speak).
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it would be very cool... but the 1200 desktop case aren't good for expansions.
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The idea would be to put the AmigaOne Lite into it. We will add a CDROM and stiffy (still a debate). There's no problem as to the design of the case as it's been around since the days of Petro.
We will modify it a bit and give it those awesome colours that some of you want. Maybe also a silver with a black keyboard.
We'll keep you guys in touch....
VIVA Amiga..... squash some butterflies
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mikeymike wrote:
It's too bad she won't live, but then again, who does?
Fiery the angels fell. Deep thunder rolled about their shores... burning with the fires of Orc.
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True.. no boxes then
Make it in the shape of a boing ball, kinda like one of those apple macs but totally round so it falls off the desk :-)
:python:
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"The idea would be to put the AmigaOne Lite into it. We will add a CDROM and stiffy (still a debate). There's no problem as to the design of the case as it's been around since the days of Petro.
We will modify it a bit and give it those awesome colours that some of you want."
Now your talking, sounds like a great concept, and with the Amiga One Lite MB and OS4 what more would a true computer enthuisiast want, a fast and friendly, cheap realiable home computer that could be taken anywhere, outstanding. :-D
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@woz
...with a snap on/off TFT foldover screen like the PS1 has.
Totally portable miggy a1-lite
now thats appealing
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Mason wrote:
Agafaster wrote:
"attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion..."
I watched C-Beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate...
Shouldn't that be Tan-Hauser Gate (http://www.tan-hausergate.com) :lol:
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"...with a snap on/off TFT foldover screen like the PS1 has.
Totally portable miggy a1-lite, now thats appealing."
Never thought of that, would be great though.
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Difinitly NO. Either make a desktop or a portable notebook version.
Plaz
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I would rather see something along the lines of an A600 myself. I like the smaller form. With the advent of replaceble laptop video cards, many of which are using the top of the line graphics chips, you could still upgrade the machine over the years. I would also like to see a machine with no legacy ports. If you took an A600 and replaced the Paralell and serial ports with USB, I buet you could get six USB 2.0 ports back there instead. If you replace the joystick ports you could probably add another 4 USB ports. Now you can add whatever you like and just about as many devices as you would want. All in a small machine that is portable and powerful. Sound good anyone?
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" would rather see something along the lines of an A600 myself. I like the smaller form. With the advent of replaceble laptop video cards, many of which are using the top of the line graphics chips, you could still upgrade the machine over the years."
I agree with you on the replaceble laptop V-Cards, but I strongly disagre about the A600 style case, nice as it was it lacked the numeric keypad, as well as a few other keys. A lot of people missed that on the keyboard.
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If they are going to do it, it should be in true a1200 style. i never liked the a600, way too small and flimsy, a1200 is def the best lookin "small miggy". i like'd the old a2k, dunno why heh big an chunky :-)
Maybe a500 style, slightly smaller on the back and maybe a bit taller instead to accomidate the new ports. It should definatley have a built in ethernet port, usb etc all the usual stuff plus some amiga- only ports for those amiga only prepherals so we can show micro$oft they aint the only "make it difficult for everyone else" company :-)
Kev :-D
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Yes
AmigaOne G3Lite you could connect to a smallish TFT would cover my need for portable. If it can be run off of batteries would be a pluss, but mostly you're not THAT portable anyway. And the battery capacity on PC laptops these days ain't that good either, so...
Something between desktop and portable would suit me fine, I don't need anything fancy in it. Allthough an external scsi connector would be a neat addition.
Oh well, I guess USB will do for most purposes.
I don't like laptops, the keyboards never fit my fat fingers. My AmigaOne tower is too heavy to bring on vacations. I was just on 3 day trip with my Access. Now THERE'S a nice box. AmigaOne in the same shape will SURELY be a winner system :-)
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it'd be nice from a nostalgic point of view but surely the way to go is something like the X box ... love or hate M$ how many millions of "normal" people looking for an alternate computing solution would prefer something they can plug a gamepad in one end and a telly in the other? or plug in a keyboard and mouse (dreamcast, anybody?)(hell, 9v batteries and infra-red!) and check your email during the adverts on telly but still be able to hook it up to gizmos and gadgets such as scanners... most people (i do PC admin/virus killing for normal folk) dont run their computers higher than 800x600 anyway as they dont like the writing to get too small on screen... and most tellies nowadays (or is it JUST the sony's???) can handle 8x6 y'know ....
having the keyboard built in just doesnt fit with the way of things... it'd mean getting off your chair to go use it under the telly!
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For home, no - I need a full size tower, but for the workplace... Yes.
Extreme Computing have a "zero footprint" PC advertised which looks remarkably like an A1200 but with CD (or CDRW or CDRW/DVD) drive installed in one side, floppy on the other and space at the back for a PCI card (for TV out perhaps?). Combined with a flat screen monitor it makes a nice (and cheaper) alternative to using a laptop in a confined space... always assuming you don't need to take it with you.
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Make it in the shape of a boing ball, kinda like one of those apple macs but totally round so it falls off the desk
Although semi-seriously, if it were in the shape of a ball, you could have the stand underneath it acting as a cable tidyer by making the stand's legs hollow, then near the feet have cable exit wholes. But then the bulk of the plug has to get through. Oh well, it was a thought :-)
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Nah make it roll of the desk. After all if we want the amiga to over take the PC then, surley we have to adapt its most famous feature. The ability to fall over...? heh heh sorry...
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Yes, especially if it was a low price model like the original A1200...
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Yes but i doubt it will happen. :-)
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Although I doubt we see many pci slots on the AmigaOne Lite due to its dimensions it would be nice to have a connector similar to the inlined with a pci one included in the Pegasos1. That way you would have the option of adding 3 pcis for example if you later decide to expand your machine with more cards... That would give you the best option: you need a Mini-ITX? no problem, you need a little more expansion? just plug in the optional pci slots and you have the option of adding more pci cards :-)
hey Alan Redhouse! are you reading this? ;-)
It would be great if IBM released the new G3 with VMX extensions... that way software written for the altivec of the G4 would work without problems...
I don't care if the cpu is soldered to the motherboard, most of people change it with each new cpu. A G3 with VMX and some kind of decent Radeon on-board, 5.1 sound, ethernet (if it's gigabit, then even better, the price of intel gigabit ethernet chips seems to be similar to 100mbit chips), and usb2 and serial-ata would be great :-)
a 1Ghz G3 without VMX would be nice but would waste the effort of making the AmigaOne a G4 based computer because if the Lite version doesn't include altivec, few apps will use it... so I would wait until IBM releases the G3 with VMX(aka altivec) to release the AmigaOne Lite...
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Absolutely not. A mini-cube with 3 PCI slots as a minimum is the "tiniest" I think they should make.
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First of all in regard to CyberMech's question, yes.
Secondly @ amigamad
You mean a 1200 style case, no?
And last of all @ Crumb
I don't care if the cpu is soldered to the motherboard
The CPU is not solderd to the mobo on the A1-lite.
Otherwise from what I've been able to gather so far from
diffrent sources like CAM-readers and Ben's panel speach at AmiWest2003,
it's going to look something like this.
micro-ITX formfactor (170mm x 170mm), one AGP,
one PCI-slot, onboard graphics and sound,
gigabyte ethernet, USB 2.0, Firewire,
a Compact flash card reader and, like the current
A1-Xe, a MegAray connector.
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With complete pc systems costing less than $300 (http://shop1.outpost.com/product/3646665/) I doubt the cheap home computer niche that the 1200 originally filled is still viable.
That said, I'd still love to see a new 1200 style amiga. Maybe with a slidein battery and lcd attachment that turns it into a nice portable unit in one step.
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I definitely agree on this one -- the integrated one- piece platforms of the past just aren't practical in today's market and the design overhead and maintenance requirements would likely be significant.
Eyetech has indicated that their reduced form factor boards will appeal to both the embedded and consumer markets - a shrewd decision.
Quite a few companies are jumping on the home appliance bandwagon. Take a look at the XPC and MegaPC for some interesting design ideas.
P.S. "Gosh, you've... really got some nice toys here."
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There seem to be a lot of haters of the a600 style box, but after having owned them all, I actually LOVED the a600 case and only just recently sold it. It was not flimsy and the idea to just pick it up, pop it in your bag and roll anywhere with it was great.
It sucked becuse it was a low spec machine, but I guarentee that if it had voodoo, 060, and standard monitor output, it might have sold off the shelves.
With that said I would like to see the following:
A3000 style - Number one choice
A1200 - cheaper than a laptop since it won't have a screen that I don't currently need, is portable so I can take it to work and wherever a vga or dvi plug is. For the low price I can have multiple and reuse existing monitors and lcds, I'm positive someone would come up with an optional attachable screen for portability later.
Finally the A600 case. You haters just need to feel this puppy. It's actually really a cool size and design. Crappy internals, but just go with USB and firewire for ports, and DVI,ADC, or VGA for video. No need for stupid parallel, serial, and floppy ports.
-Alex
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Hi.
An A1200 style case with usb on the back would be really cool, but as a few have pointed out it's not very practical. I think a small box design with wireless kbd and mouse would be better. Maybe something like the CDTV, only smaller and more functional?
An A1200 style case with a few tweaks would probably sell quite well (in Amiga terms), though, and if anyone made it they probably wouldn't regret it.
Some cool mini-itx stuff:
Mini-itx.com (http://www.mini-itx.com)
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Absolutely. I love my A600s (I've scrounged three to add to my original one). Stick a CDRW in the side, lots of USB ports on the side or back and catches on the corners for an optional TFT screen. Biggest hazard is sourcing a decent mouse/touchpad solution at reasonable cost.
I use my laptop far more than any of the other computers at home simply because I can use it from a comfy chair in the lounge and don't have to be banished into the dining room. I wish it ran a bit cooler though - it almost singes my legs at times!
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If we mean a computer that has everything on the motherboard rather than cards, is fairly small, then I think such a machine could be a good idea. Whilst having the expandibility and flexibility of cards is good, it does tend to make computers rather large. There seems to be a huge gulf between tiny laptops and huge towers. Arguably the reason is because you don't need anything in between - you either want something on the move, or if it's in your house you don't care how much space it takes up. I probably wouldn't want one myself, but things that might appeal to a more mainstream set of people are worth considering (in a similar vein, I think the iMac is an awful style of computer, but it was clearly a good move for Apple).
I'd rather avoid the exact style of the A1200. One example of small computers I liked the look of was the older Macs: you still had detachable keyboard (and monitor), but the main computer was still a fairly small pizza-style box. The main worry I always have with keyboards built in is spilling drink over an expensive computer;) With laptops you have to accept that risk, but with a desktop, you at least have a little more space. On a similar note, I dislike the way that Commodore tried to trim down space - eg, 2.5" IDE drives when 3.5" ones were so much cheaper, or chopping the numeric keypad off the A600. If you want to make a laptop-size computer *then damn well make a proper one*. Otherwise, enjoy the flexibility of making a small computer, but one with enough room to use the cheaper components, and not have to cut too much out.
If we mean also a low end machine, then perhaps, but I'd hate to see a repeat of the mistakes of the past of concentrating too much on low end machines. Also the climate is different now - PCs that are still very powerful can be had very cheaply, and there's plenty of competition from consoles.
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I think the 'keyboard all-in-1' methahore is severely dated. Even Apple would never do it, their monitor and console in 1 is already bordering on the riducule.
But I'd love a stylish, fanless, highly integrated unit, with 1 AGP and (at least) 1 PCI slot and enough room to add RAM. And CHEAP, because the current A1s are far too expensive. Also, no legacy interface nonsense (like serial, parallel port). It should look a bit like the Shuttles, but using a special case designed for Amiga. Even better if its an official supported Amiga computer. Then, it would have the Amiga logo and be sold with a keyboard with Amiga keys.
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Actually I wouldn't mind something like this:
http://www.n21online.com/all-in-one-pc.php (http://www.n21online.com/all-in-one-pc.php)
It should be wireless though, I hate trailing wires.
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YES! I would get one immediately :-D
The more the A1 appear to be a PC box, the more I would think about getting one :-(
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If you are going to go retro, then do it right.
Put it in an A1000 style case...... :-x
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No.
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I dunno about Transparent blue (a la iMac) bit cheesy - I do remember seeing a rendered mock-up of a Black 1200 with a DVD in the side - very striking !
Mason wrote:
Agafaster wrote:
"attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion..."
I watched C-Beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate...
"...All those....moments will be lost, in time,
Like... tears, in rain.
Time to die."
what a film !! :-D
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GIT !
Beat me to it ! :-(
(some of us have work to do y'know ;-) )
CoolCPU wrote:
Mason wrote:
I watched C-Beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate...
All those moments, will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time... to die.
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I dont think it should look like a CDTV - thats nice but a bit old fashioned... It should be based on practicality rather than looks, damm i wish someone had thought of that before they made my pc, ie all wires on back so its hard to plug stuff in without ripping all my desk apart. Not sure about the boing logo stuff, i prefered the old a-tick logo, that should def be brought back... for both lookin cool and also a hint of retro styling on the modern amiga. Maybe add some interesting features to the a1 that nothing else has.. let me think.. maybe uh i dunno but if i think of something i will def post it here. Just make sure it has ethernet built in makes networking so much easier :-)
Cheers
Kev
;-)
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A600 / 1200 cases are great - but if they are gonna be a bit more portable, an internal PSU would be preferable.
I like the idea of a slide on Battery - use a Loptap stylee in the place where accelerators sit in the Classic 1200 ?
would really have to trim power useage down, as an internal supply that would fit would not be beefy at all...
Mason wrote:
mikeymike wrote:
It's too bad she won't live, but then again, who does?
Fiery the angels fell. Deep thunder rolled about their shores... burning with the fires of Orc.
I got Mikeymike's quote (the oriental copper at the end of the film upon picking up Deckard)
but I dont recognise yours... :-?
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Agafaster wrote:
I got Mikeymike's quote (the oriental copper at the end of the film upon picking up Deckard)
but I dont recognise yours... :-?
Just a little hint: My eyes..... I guess you designed them, eh?
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Maybe an internal PSU like one of those "on a card" psu, kinda like the PSX one. That would fit :-)
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A laptop Amiga One G3/G4 would be nice, but highly implausable. If one came out I could probably aford it by 2020 AD. :-D
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I'd dearly love to see such a machine, as the A1200 was a great entry level computer that the market sorely needs today.
However, in practical terms it can never happen. Such a machine would need a large production run in order to be viable, and would thus need a multi-million dollar advertising budget. It would also need a unique and high quality software base (with incentives to software manufacturers to publish titles), and a bespoke design as an off the shelf chipset would prove expensive in the long run.
Added to that is the fact that a low end PC is not much more to buy than a top end XBox/PS2 bundle, which has already squeezed out Atari, Sega and is putting huge pressure on Nintendo.
Clearly a company like Amiga and/or partners simply haven't got the resources to mount an attack at this end of the market, but I'd love to see a new generation A500/1200.
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Mason wrote:
Just a little hint: My eyes..... I guess you designed them, eh?
Aaaahhhh...gotcha !
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@Crumb:
I think it's a BIT late to redesign the AmigaOne Lite now ;-)
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Alan stated at the Amiwest show that an ITX AmigaOne would be out in due time - being G3 based would allow a very small and silent configuration.
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Okay, dream mode on.....
C64 Case with the following ingredients:
750 meg zip drive built in (LS120? 880k drive?)
CD/RW (or DVD/CD player) and 4 CF slots
3, maybe 4 Ram slots, to 3 gig. or 4 gig. (comes with 512 megs)
touch pad for pointer control
hard drive optional
Holographic projector for a display (like R2D2, 2000x2000x2000 "real space" pixel resolution), comes with the deluxe model.
Almost entirely solid state! :-D
AmigaOne! The waking dream!
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@PMC:
So you would like one, but only with a multi-millon dollar advertising budget?
That just doesn't make sense and you know it ;-)
The AmigaOne Lite is nearly complete, AFAIK. We're just talking about how to package it. It won't fit in any of the standard casings anyway, right?
Hmm, I just found this one one mini-itx.com:
http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/sx64/?page=3
He's using the original keyboard, screen AND has a SID in there. Mini-ITX in an SX64 (luggable C64) casing. Wow.
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I think Eyetech should put an AGP slot directly on on side, much like the A1200 accel-slot, also add a laptop style PCI slot for soundcards. That way you could upgrade the graphics/sound/cpu as you want, and all put into a modified/updated A1200 style case, a great thought. And with that thougt I'm off to do my wife now. :hammer: :lol:
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@olegil:
"I think it's a BIT late to redesign the AmigaOne Lite now ;-)"
doh! I hope Eyetech makes a good work :-)
but G3 with VMX would be great...
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Dammit! Stop talkin about this bloody a1! making me crave os4 lol
I really hope they get it right this time, time to prove it to the world :-)
Amiga is n° 1 :-)
(Excuse the smell of cheese coming from this post lol)
Kev ;-)
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Talking of OS4, when the hell is it due out, or still no word.
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So you would like one, but only with a multi-millon dollar advertising budget?
I'd like one, but my point was that in today's world for such a machine to be a commercial success (and we all want that don't we? ;-D) a massive budget is a prerequisite. That was just me beign a realist, not a dreamer!
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Not too sure about the OS4 date, i know its well late tho...
never mind
Good things come to those who wait eh? You only gotta look at Micro$oft products to prove that.
Kev :-D
ps. id rather wait and get more bugs off it than head in at the deep end lol
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"My mother? Let me tell you about my mother... *BLAM!!!*" - RIP Brion James
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isnt there a case made by a semi-amiga company that fits a micro-atx that resembles the A1200 very much already?... if so... then why not stick an AmigaOne/Pegasos into one of those and use it ?... it'd probably be better then the unexpandable A1200 design..
thats having been said!... if there was an A1200 designed AmigaOne I'd consider it...if only to run Linux on in the advent that OS4 never comes out...just because it'd be a really cool piece of geekware...and something to hack MOS onto(maybe?)...