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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: tokyoracer on February 13, 2008, 11:52:21 PM
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It seems that all history of Mr. AmiGeek has all gone but i'm puzzeld why. Yes hes been an ass in the past but he seemed honest enough to change his ways, trying to make it up to people he has dissapointed which can't be bad. Oddly hes linked A.Org on is on website and he's removed his own forum, what's going on? :-?
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He seemed like he wanted to mend his ways, shame that he had to be banned again but why this time?
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AFAIK he created multiple accounts without Wayne's approval.
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What I typed before, he pissed off too many people in the past here.
But erasing everything he posted and erasing postings by other people :-? Pure censorship imho.
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Good ridance if you ask me. Guy is nothing but trouble. Its not the first time hes promised to mend his ways, and say eveyone was lying about him.
He has a history of doing this
Thing is no one was lying about him and hes a nutjob.
Would not have taken long for him to get back to his old ways.
Was already showing signs of sliping
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redrumloa wrote:
AFAIK he created multiple accounts without Wayne's approval.
Again??!??
Man, I was trying to give the guy a break....
I guess I'll just have to go make new accounts, too...
RedrumPiru
MotoNoFastMem
TJRacer
DammyLine
Meh...I can't think of anymore... :crazy:
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@ Methuselas
Pension? :-D
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I was more than willing to give him a chance again. However (and maybe it's just me) some of his later post where begining to sound a bit combative and unremorseful. He needed to be on his best exemplary behaviour given past history. If he was creating multiple accounts as Red suggest, that's enough to get even an average joe banned.
Plaz
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As I said before, I did not see anything offensive in his posts, but maybe I missed some, I do think he was really trying to improve his image, but he was under constant attack and maybe his composure slipped a little, but I still think he should be allowed back and if he is banned in future, everyone sees the reason why.
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@A6000
Perhaps when you're not able to compare the memory ancient posts to current ones, the perspective is differnt. Maybe you missed a couple of the grumpier ones I read. Though he was off to a good start, I was seeing shades of the old days. Granted, he was being badgered by some he had upset in the past. I hoped he would rise above that and prove the critics wrong, but alas....
And then there's Wayne, owner of the site. No telling what history he has with Doomy. And as the master and owner of amiga.org, I wouldn't suspect he doesn't have to tell us the reasons if he doesn't want to.
Plaz
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Krusher wrote:
What I typed before, he pissed off too many people in the past here.
But erasing everything he posted and erasing postings by other people :-? Pure censorship imho.
AFAIK, when a user account is deleted, all posts and child posts are removed. That is the limitation of Xoops.
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by Methuselas on 2008/2/13 19:28:10
Meh...I can't think of anymore...
AMC257.
Someone did that to me on a forum directly related to my 'AMC258' name. He/she was blatantly a troll because everyone on the forum knew what an AMC258 is and he/she did not. It would be like someone coming here with the name "Amiga499"....
On the subject of DoomyGeek, I was willing to give him a Nth chance too, because I was trying to be a nice guy. But, only he who banned him knows what he did to get banned. For all we know, he could have threatened Wayne's life or something. Whatever it is he did, I trust it justified his banning, because I have not seen the powers that be here do anything else unjust.
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I hope this does not make me a troll, but what is an AMC258?
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AFAIK, when a user account is deleted, all posts and child posts are removed. That is the limitation of Xoops.
So, if they wanted to keep the posts and ban the user, all they do is change the user name to "Banned" and put in a bogus password. I have seen this done on other forums. But, assume he really rubbed you as moderator the wrong way. Wouldn't you want to totally flush him out too?
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I hope this does not make me a troll, but what is an AMC258?
What the heck is an A6000? :lol:
Seriously though, it's an American Motors Corporation 258cid inline 6 cylinder gasoline fired internal combustion engine :) I own *almost* as many of those as Amigas :)
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A6000 is the future :-)
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Well, with a name like that it sounds more promising than the AmigaTwo.
BTW, here's a particularly crappy picture:
(http://stash.amc258.com/AMC258/AMC/AMC258%20on%20a%20Cherry%20Picker%20Small.jpg)
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I think he was doing a stand up job with all the crap some of you were throwing at him! I would of lost it, but he kept his cool. I don't know why he is not given another chance. After all he shares the same hobby as we do. Not too many Amiga users, and Amiga forums either!
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@Plaz
And then there's Wayne, owner of the site. No telling what history he has with Doomy. And as the master and owner of amiga.org,
I wouldn't suspect he doesn't have to tell us the reasons if he doesn't want to.
Seems most likely, I recall in a thread a few years back Wayne stating that he had imposed a lifetime ban on Doomy,
what the exact reason was now I can't remember.
I did feel with his recent reappearance, that overall he did genuinely want to start afresh and contribute positively here,
although it's a shame we will never know!
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AMC258 wrote:
Well, with a name like that it sounds more promising than the AmigaTwo.
Hey, that's the same motor maded in Brazil for a range of GM cars and trucks?
Almost the very same block since 196x...
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The Amiga Gods have spoken....
Lest we find.....
DOOMYGEEK!
I kill me.
:lol:
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AMC258 wrote:
What the heck is an A6000? :lol:
Seriously though, it's an American Motors Corporation 258cid inline 6 cylinder gasoline fired internal combustion engine :) I own *almost* as many of those as Amigas :)
I believe that's what was in our two AMC Hornet Sportabout station wagons. Good engines, those.
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I'm ok with bans as long as they're done to military specs...
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The roll-on kind of bans are also acceptable.
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@weirdami
It's probably because I'm tired, but that had me rolling on the floor.
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:hammer: Thanx to who ever removed him. He have promized before to mend his ways and tried to behave just long enough to be able to swindle ppl. He's everything we don't need in this comunity wrapped up into one person so again, thanx to who ever had the common sence to remove him, again.
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redrumloa wrote:
...all posts and child posts are removed.
CHILD posts? They're breeding? :-o
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McVenco wrote:
redrumloa wrote:
...all posts and child posts are removed.
CHILD posts? They're breeding? :-o
Somebody got Doomy's posts wet...
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moto
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Noce gremlins reference :-D
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Then I sure hope that nobody has fed them after midnight :nervous:
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It is possible the guy has some sort of mental illness?
I have a cousin with bipolar disorder, when he's stable he's tries to make up for the crazy/weird things he said when manic, only to say it all again next time. When people go hard on him for that, he gets depressed. It's a roller coaster ride! I sympathize with anyone affected by a mental illness.
Sometimes it's hard to take, but you just have to understand they cant help it and in most cases would give anything to be free of it.
...Or he could just be a jerk?
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Bipolar disorder doesn't make you rip people off. It might lead you to become aggressive if confronted about unacceptable behaviour, but it certainly doesn't make you a crook.
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
Bipolar disorder doesn't make you rip people off. It might lead you to become aggressive if confronted about unacceptable behaviour, but it certainly doesn't make you a crook.
That's absolutely correct. I know that better than anyone. :angry:
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Bipolar was just an example.
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Schizophrenia perhaps.
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I was going to stay out of all this, however, the very thought of anyone believing this arse suffers from a mental illness is laughable. He's a con man, plain and simple, a rude one at that. I believe everybody deserves a second chance, but history will show this ain't his second chance, that was several chances ago.
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Is there any truth in the rumour about him banned for being an Atari fan?
Or is that just wishful thinking on my part? :lol:
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I'm not one for labels, or excusing a persons behavior with them, but couldn't "Con-man" behaviour be characterized by a mental disorder/disease?
eg:
Antisocial personality disorder (APD) is a mental disorder defined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual: "The essential feature for the diagnosis is a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."[1] Considered essential features of the disorder are deceit and manipulation. source:Wiki.
I prefer to remain open minded on the subject.
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Again, I have to quote the scripture (posting guidelines):
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Members will not publicly question a moderator's decision.
Members will not publicly question a moderator's decision.
All moderation concerns should be addressed in a private manner, either by private messaging or emailing the moderator in question
Whoever of the mods decided to delete his account doesn't need to answer to any of us. And we are all in breach of the guidelines for posting in this thread.
That being said, I think that if he had a lifetime ban on him. And that was the reason for why he was deleted, it was very unfortunate that he was allowed in for as many days as he was. Both to him, and to the community as it gives unclear message to both parties, and many here considered him "fritt vilt" - Fair Game.
Whatever other reason (multiple acount, fraudulent behaviour, foul mouth) is a concern between mods and Mr George Campbell.
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Posts of a libellous nature are not allowed.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion, whether you think it right or wrong. Posting false information about an individual is not only bad form, but could become a serious problem, both for the poster, and for Amiga.org itself.
I am no lawyer, but speculating and insinuating about a persons mental health can be construed as of a libellous nature.
It's all fun and games, until someone gets sued ;)
- American proverb :crazy:
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Specualtion is not libel.
A persons opinion can not be libel.
Someone whould have to say so and so defo has mental issues.
Saying I believe or I think, is not libel. Well Im pretty sure its not in the UK. Its called freedom of speech
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I'm sure the laws are stricter in Norway and the UK.
But american court rooms are imfamous, and american lawyers in particular. It's all fed by urban legends, poodle in the microwave, slippery sidewalks and hot starbuck coffees. Granted these are not issues concerning free speech. But still, any legaleese is expensive. Even when you're in the right.
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In regards to a user's posts being deleted when his/her account is deleted:
But....I just read a lot of Doom-Master's old posts from 2003-2004 a few weeks ago - eg. the classic thread one about the A2000 chips being military spec.
How is it that was possible if (unless his old account was not deleted)?
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Caius wrote:
Schizophrenia perhaps.
More like Obsessive Compulsive Disorder with the way his language is phrased so ritualistically (i.e. Flagship Amiga 2000 Professional Computer), the way he describes his behaviour when handling Amigas (washes his hands before touching his Amigas), and desire to hoard more backup parts of specific types than could possibly be used in a lifetime (although we all have a little bit of that I guess).
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Im pretty sure in the UK that a case against someone from the UK dipsuting someones mental health on an open forum whould never get to court.
It would have to be a civil action and the person pushing this is going to need a lot of money too.
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This was a conflict that I didn't particularly relish. Since his re-emergence, it did, in fact, seem as though he was trying to get along and play nice.
There are several factors at play here. The numerous complaints I was receiving, the fact that he had opened up multiple accounts, the reports of e-bay fraud, the threats to "come to Huntsville and kick my ass" (from a few years ago).
If he had come to me and said "I really want to come back and I'll play nice", I would have been ok with giving him another chance. Instead, he opened a duplicate account and began posting.
Like I said, conflicted. I just kept getting complaint after complaint about his re-emergence until I made the decision to remove him based on those instances.
I think it's strangely hypocritical that the same people questioning me for banning him are amongst the same people blasting him for ripping them off on eBay.
If he wants to contact me about coming back and he's willing to reform his ways, then I'm ok with that. I would not allow him to post eBay ads for obvious reasons, but I'll give pretty much anyone enough rope to hang themselves at least once.
Redrumloa is correct. Delete the user account, all posts and child posts are deleted. I'm not interested in having hundreds of orphaned posts caused by renaming accounts.
There is no censorship involved, and frankly as one of my strongest of pet peeves, anyone who suggests differently might find themselves on the same short list as doomy.
Sorry, I've just been doing this too many years for people to toss around such verbage without taking sincere insult. The fact that you have no clue what decisions are necessary to operate a web site does not make it censorship.
Wayne
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What is the problem here?
He is a well known tit head, in general not a very nice person to do the things he did/does.
Get rid of him, end of story that's it.
Wayne you done right, take no notice of the hypocrites.
What he done and how he got back was wrong, never trust a rattle snake, because as soon as your back is turned.........
Mike.
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Thanks for clearing this matter up. About the "censorship" I've been on the other side of websites and I do know about decisions to operate a website and I've seen erasing posts happen because of personal issues, that is just bad behavior, understandable, but not the way to operate as a moderator, that's why I suggested the censorship part. I'm sorry for that but I was not expecting erased posts here since older posts from another account where still available; I would have handled it differently is all.
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JJ wrote:
Specualtion is not libel.
A persons opinion can not be libel.
Someone whould have to say so and so defo has mental issues.
Saying I believe or I think, is not libel. Well Im pretty sure its not in the UK. Its called freedom of speech
Freedom of speech doesn't exist anymore you can't even call someone blind these days without facing the wrath of the PC brigade
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Freedom of speech in the UK is going out of the window and fast.
You cant say this, you cant say that.
We have to bend over backwards in case some one gets offended.
The PC brigade take things to ridiculous levels.
Why don't the PC brigade go back under there rock and stay there.
My daughter told me when she was at school they was not allowed to say "Blackboard" any longer but its a white board.
Ohhhhh please...........
We are losing it all to others, or rather the PC brigade.
or both.
I wander what the poor lot from WWII think, was it worth fighting for to see this country get to this state.
Here this is true, I was at Morrisons food hall last week and my wife and I was having some lunch, well any way as we was talking, she said you fancy a jar of jam, I said year why not, I remember the gollywog on the jars back then I used to collect them, now this was a private conversation between me and my wife NO ONE else, I got told from a table behind us that I can not use those words, because its offensive.
The person was in her 50`s with her hen pecked husband it seemed. I could not believe it. WHAT, I had to get up and leave as I was boiling over and my mouth would have got me into trouble.
Just what the hell is going on these days, we are getting more and more limited as time goes by.
All above are my opinions and are not intended to offend any person or persons in any way what so ever.
That should cover it (for the PC brigade)
Right now let me make this crystal clear, I am not prejudice in any way, I just want fairness of freedom to say what I want and not offend any one, without out being told what I can say and what I can not say, am I asking to much here.
Sorry guys but I feel so strong about this, yes I know the topic was not on this but it got this way.
Ohhhhh let me chill out................
Mike.
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I agree with you swift.
Perosnally I think people should be allowed to say what they like when they like, even if it offends someone.
Christ I thought being british was about basically {bleep}ing off the rest of the world :-D
But seriously I am not racisit or homophobic or anything like that. Live and let live is what I say. And if people want to say they hate somone based on their race or whatever then thats their opinion and they are entitled to it. Dont care if they shour it from the rooftops. As long as they are not inciting people to harm other people based on predjuice.
We all have predjuices of one kind or another. Be it based on bad past experiences or whatever.
You can never please everyone in a multi-racial, mulit-region society. Somebody is always going to be offended about something.
Let them be offended.
Sorry rant over
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Oh, so AmiGeek actually was Doomy? I started to suspect as much when he started to talk about how he used compressed air to clean computer parts.. But I didnt want to ask if it was him and open a can of worms.. :-)
Oh well, now I now.. :-D
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TjLaZer wrote:
I think he was doing a stand up job with all the crap some of you were throwing at him! I would of lost it, but he kept his cool. I don't know why he is not given another chance. After all he shares the same hobby as we do. Not too many Amiga users, and Amiga forums either!
It is understandable that you have always stood up for Doomy, as you have a close relationship with him. IIRC, you are/were a moderator on one or more of his forums at his website. He also said that he would be doing more videos and that you were going to be one of the people he was planning on interviewing in the near future.
I think you have therefore taken his side in the many disputes that have been mentioned in the past, or you simply don't believe all the complaints against Doomy.
You probably think I am one of the members here that are responsible for him being banned again, but my comments were only intended to protect the mostly peaceful environment that we enjoy here, compared to most other websites I have ever visited. As I stated more than once before, I am all for giving people second, or even third chances to redeem themselves and contribute here, but they must admit to their prior bad behavior and ask for forgiveness while promising to remedy their behavior in the future to earn my trust and forgiveness. Doomy was not willing to do this, so I voiced my concerns that he would likely soon return to that prior bad behavior and disrupt our relative peace here.
I for one am glad that he is no longer here, as it relieves me from the uneasy feeling I had while reading his posts. I enjoy this community too much to see its peaceful operation threatened in any way. I may be guilty of stirring up some hostile feelings once or twice here, but I have admitted when I was wrong and tried to patch things up as soon as possible with whomever I may have offended.
(steps of the soap box and attempts to erase Doomy from limited memory space) :-D
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And with that, I am locking this thread. Everyone has had a say, except Doomy who cannot exactly reply. Some charges are being leveled at Doomy and letting this thread go on without him being able to defend himself would be wrong. I am not defending Doomy, I just think this thread has expired it's usefulness. Wayne has stated what happened, it needs to die.
@Doomy
If you are reading this and you want back on the site, Wayne has laid out what you need to do. Email Wayne and work things out.