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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Tension on February 12, 2008, 08:36:51 PM
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Am i wrong, or was Bill McEwen not once on our side?
{edited for spelling}
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Don't know about McEwan but McEwen has screwed us from the beginning.
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Ok, I must have got my wires crossed er sen.
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Flashlab wrote:
Don't know about McEwan but McEwen has screwed us from the beginning.
Irvin Gould did that with bringing in the person who shall not be named :madashell:
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Hi,
@Tension
Mr. McEwan is struggling to keep Amiga Inc. afloat, so do you
really think he is worried about what a few hundred people
say about him. He is formally engaged now with trying to
sell Amiga Anywhere, wish him the best of luck.
What I am really trying to say is that Bill is a business
man trying to keep his company going, yes he is on our side
but he has bigger fish to fry than trying to bring a new
Amiga Computer into the world trying to compete with
PC computers, think about it, it just not going to happen.
He is currently engaged in writing software programs and
hoping that other people will buy them. Yes Bill screwed up
he tried to get started what other Amiga users wanted, a
new PPC Amiga (me included at the time) but if you look at
it, the PPC is dead, just like the 68000 series chip, the
Amiga users have either moved to Macs or PC's currently
there probably is no market for a new Amiga, and even if he
did come up with a new Amiga computer, he would have
trouble getting software companies to write software for it.
Most software companies today are PC based with Microsoft.
In other words sad to say Bill Gates owns and says what will
work on your computer, he owns the industry and can shut
your computer down at any time unless you pay him dearly.
Case in point, I bought VISTA, my computer has been shut
down several times for reactivation because I added new
things to it (last one being a HP printer driver for my
printer) now I will have to call (8th time in less than a
year) some turkey in India, to have my VISTA reactivated
for the 8th time. How much longer that will last I don't
know because being a computer hardware hacker, I buy new
uptodate hardware every couple of months. So MicroSoft has
total control of my computer, and dictates what I can or
can't do with it. Ubuntu is now my main operating system.
So if Bill was smart, he would currently take the old Amiga
OS and port it over to PC computers to boot up from the
start and get software people to ride his train on the
Amiga OS.
Good Luck Bill McEwan, hope you read this and hopefully
you are still on Amigians side.
smerf
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smerf wrote:
Hi,
...
In other words sad to say Bill Gates owns and says what will
work on your computer, he owns the industry and can shut
your computer down at any time unless you pay him dearly.
Case in point, I bought VISTA, my computer has been shut
down several times for reactivation because I added new
things to it ...
smerf
See that's your mistake, buying Vista when Windows 7 is in the works which is a far better thing. Until that gets out I'm using XP. Vista is a piece of crap.
BTW XP can be hacked so no reactivation is needed. Microsoft does not own my laptop and I will not let them.
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smerf wrote:
Hi,
@Tension
Mr. McEwan is struggling to keep Amiga Inc. afloat, so do you
really think he is worried about what a few hundred people
say about him. He is formally engaged now with trying to
sell Amiga Anywhere, wish him the best of luck.
What I am really trying to say is that Bill is a business
man trying to keep his company going, yes he is on our side
but he has bigger fish to fry than trying to bring a new
Amiga Computer into the world trying to compete with
PC computers, think about it, it just not going to happen.
He is currently engaged in writing software programs and
hoping that other people will buy them. Yes Bill screwed up
he tried to get started what other Amiga users wanted, a
new PPC Amiga (me included at the time) but if you look at
it, the PPC is dead, just like the 68000 series chip, the
Amiga users have either moved to Macs or PC's currently
there probably is no market for a new Amiga, and even if he
did come up with a new Amiga computer, he would have
trouble getting software companies to write software for it.
Most software companies today are PC based with Microsoft.
In other words sad to say Bill Gates owns and says what will
work on your computer, he owns the industry and can shut
your computer down at any time unless you pay him dearly.
Case in point, I bought VISTA, my computer has been shut
down several times for reactivation because I added new
things to it (last one being a HP printer driver for my
printer) now I will have to call (8th time in less than a
year) some turkey in India, to have my VISTA reactivated
for the 8th time. How much longer that will last I don't
know because being a computer hardware hacker, I buy new
uptodate hardware every couple of months. So MicroSoft has
total control of my computer, and dictates what I can or
can't do with it. Ubuntu is now my main operating system.
So if Bill was smart, he would currently take the old Amiga
OS and port it over to PC computers to boot up from the
start and get software people to ride his train on the
Amiga OS.
Good Luck Bill McEwan, hope you read this and hopefully
you are still on Amigians side.
smerf
I think you`ll find it`s Bill McEwen lol. :-D
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smerf wrote:
the PPC is dead
The second best selling microprocessor in the world today and he says it's dead!
The truth is that Amiga Inc. are and always were SMALL TIME and creating computers and entertaining devices takes big bucks.
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Bill McEwan? is he that sweaty looking guy in my OS3.5 booklet?
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@alexh
The second best selling microprocessor in the world today and he says it's dead!
I think as far as the Amiga is concerned, it is. Isn't it? I see lots of posts about how PPC solutions for Amiga are scarce, and that's why they are going for so much money now that AOS4 finally is released.
I think McEwen tried his best to be on "our" side. But, given how much "we" complain, I think he's been trying to focus on things that keep AI's bottom line in the black instead of making sure that every little concern of a few militant enthusiasts is addressed.
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From my point of view, Bill 1 and Bill 2 (aka B1 & B2), can plook each other!
(http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/3540/banana1.jpg)
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To be fair Amiga Inc is Garry Hare not Bill. Amiga Inc is just KMOS rebranded, it has little or nothing to do with the original CBM or it's successors. KMOS bought the Amiga name and Bill came along with it.
Amiga Inc (KMOS) has *never* produced anything that was "Amiga Compatible." Amiga Anywhere is from a different deal TAO Group and has nothing to do with the original CBM and Amiga Inc.
Bill is the spokesman but all discussions are made by Garry. Garry has made it clear through his actions that it was the TAO Group software he was interested in and the Amiga name. That's it. Bill, on the other hand has some feelings for the original Amiga, though what those feelings are isn't clear.
Amiga Inc does not own the Amiga IP or name, it has an "exclusive license" to them. Mind you, most of the Amiga IP is slipping dangerously close to the 17 year mark. so it's value is limited.
Amiga Inc is a privately held company, so details of what it does are not public record. It's largest branch is a Microsoft certified development office in India. Beyond that it produces versions of old Amiga games for PCs. It's other known "product' is Tao based AmigaAnywhere, though you can't actually buy it.
In a wink and a nod to the old Amiga it did pay Hyperion US$25K to develop OS4, a tiny sum of money for an OS upgrade. And this is tied up in litigation. They've already made it clear that this is the end of the Amiga line and that the future is Tao rebranded to Amiga Dos 5.
Amiga Inc is just a name, it has nothing to do with the Amiga of old. Accept that and move on. Now you can choose to embrace Tao and follow Amiga Inc or you can do what we do, ignore Amiga inc.
For my point of view, from what I can see of Amiga Inc, it's main product appears to be press releases.
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The main problem with PPC is that it's sole users are Game Consoles, which means it's development is in that line. Which means no G5s for laptops. It's why apple left. There's nothing inferior (or superior) about PPC, it's just that as a computer manufacturer you are never going to get first pick at the chips.
Intel hardware is cheap and readily available, if there is a future Amiga it would almost have to go the intel route.
alexh wrote:
smerf wrote:
the PPC is dead
The second best selling microprocessor in the world today and he says it's dead!
The truth is that Amiga Inc. are and always were SMALL TIME and creating computers and entertaining devices takes big bucks.
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Sorry but i have to add my 2 pennies to this, Vista can be "hacked" not to need reactivation but that is mostly done by pirates, i'm not saying you're a pirate just that its usually done by pirates, i have been using Vista for about a year now and have added and removed loads of different hardware, no problem, i haven't had compatability issues or activation problems in fact fingers crossed, my pc has actually been more stable under vista than it was under the "blue screen of death" xp pro i was running before, so in short maybe just maybe vista isn't as bad as people make out, sp1 for vista is out (sort of) and it seems to have made vista quicker, lets give it a chance hey?
all the best Juv.U.K
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Amiga Inc is just a name, it has nothing to do with the Amiga of old. Accept that and move on. Now you can choose to embrace Tao and follow Amiga Inc or you can do what we do, ignore Amiga inc.
Exactly.
My opinion is that AmigaOS must across the other side. This side is x86, if you want to survive. Look AROS for instance. In a couple of years it will be powerful!
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Good stuff here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/kent-wa/T6TE3BB2QIOPAK8OT
The reference the following sites:
http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk/replyresponsemotion.pdf
And more at:
http://www.merlancia.us/amigaauction/
http://www.merlancia.us/amiga-hare/
http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk/
BTW, nice car:
http://www.merlancia.us/amigaauction/billsnewcar.jpg
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persia wrote:
To be fair Amiga Inc is Garry Hare not Bill. Amiga Inc is just KMOS rebranded, it has little or nothing to do with the original CBM or it's successors. KMOS bought the Amiga name and Bill came along with it.
Amiga Inc (KMOS) has *never* produced anything that was "Amiga Compatible." Amiga Anywhere is from a different deal TAO Group and has nothing to do with the original CBM and Amiga Inc.
Bill is the spokesman but all discussions are made by Garry. Garry has made it clear through his actions that it was the TAO Group software he was interested in and the Amiga name. That's it. Bill, on the other hand has some feelings for the original Amiga, though what those feelings are isn't clear.
Umm, Garry Hare hasn't been at Amiga for some years. He fled the sinking ship shortly after the t-shirts were sent out. (You even posted a link to the court docs of Amiga vs. Garry Hare above.. did you read it?)
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persia wrote:
The main problem with PPC is that it's sole users are Game Consoles, which means it's development is in that line.
:roll: You can't get a console with a IBM POWER6.
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persia wrote:
The main problem with PPC is that it's sole users are Game Consoles, which means it's development is in that line.
No they aren't. They are in everything from Set-top-box's to Phones, PDA's, routers, washing machines etc.
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Hi,
@Krusher,
Go ahead, rub salt in the wounds, I deserve it, the only
reason I bought VISTA was because for once I wanted to be
the first on the block to own a new operating system by
microsoft, I waited 4 years before buying XP, probably will
use XP now until Windows 7 comes out, and then wait another
4 to 5 years to see how it acts before buying it. From now
on MicroSoft will have to prove to me that it is the OS
that I will be looking for before I give up my hard earned
money.
Anyway AmiKit on XP works well, and Ubuntu has now become
my main OS, wouldn't trust anything of importance on any
microsoft product. I just use windows xp for games, every
time I trust it to hold my pictures or music, windows xp
crashes and I lose it all. So now I use Ubuntu or my old
favorite Amiga 4000 which takes a lickin but keeps on tickin.
Anyhow my Amiga 4000, hasn't had a real crash since 1992, the
only time it crashes is when the operator breaks it, but the
Amiga is also very easy to back up with LHA and DiskMaster.
smerf
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Hi,
@Tension
You are rite sir!
I spelled his mane wrong.
Sorry Bill
smerf
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SamOS39 wrote:
Bill McEwan? is he that sweaty looking guy in my OS3.5 booklet?
:roflmao:
No, that would have been Petro. OS3.5 pre-dates McBill.
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alexh wrote:
persia wrote:
The main problem with PPC is that it's sole users are Game Consoles, which means it's development is in that line.
No they aren't. They are in everything from Set-top-box's to Phones, PDA's, routers, washing machines etc.
Do you have any links? The only PPC based product (other than my PowerBook and my BlizzPPC) I've ever seen which wasn't an XBox was an old router I had... Everything else I've seen has been ARM based... I probably have at least 10 ARMs in my house alone! Oh and a MIPS device too...
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alexh wrote:
persia wrote:
The main problem with PPC is that it's sole users are Game Consoles, which means it's development is in that line.
No they aren't. They are in everything from Set-top-box's to Phones, PDA's, routers, washing machines etc.
And the new models have what I said that it needed 7 years ago, integrated northbridges. Altho they're PCIe or just PCI, and I'd rather it be HT, but beggars can't be choosers.
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As someone famous said in a YouTube Video,
"Leave Bill ALONE!", or was that Brittney.. :-D
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http://penguinppc.org/ has a bit of info on mainstream PowerPC boxes. So does http://www.microprocessor.sscc.ru/powerpc-faq/. It's not like it's a new or exotic architecture. AIX, Linux, Mac OS, BeOS, Windows NT, VxWorks, QNX, OS/2, Solaris--all of these run (or ran) on PowerPC.
Trev
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The second best selling microprocessor in the world today and he says it's dead!
Second? I could see maybe fourth or so after ARM, MIPS, and x86. Probably even further down the ladder with 6502 and 680x0 total sales thrown into the mix. It's an OK embedded CPU, but let us not over value the worth of the CPU.
Dammy
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bloodline wrote:
[... I probably have at least 10 ARMs in my house alone! Oh and a MIPS device too...
Interesting thought...
Lets see, off the top, I have:
10x x86
4x ARM
3x 68000
2x PPC
2x Z80
2x 6502
1x SH-4
Just in actual computing devices, probably a crapload more in household things like my car, washing machine, mobile phones, DVD players ect?
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bloodline wrote:
Do you have any links?
Everyones favourite STB for hacking Pay-TV the Dreambox:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreambox
There are countless others. You are right, ARM is the worlds best selling microprocessor, but PowerPC is right up there in second. It's not just in the GameCube, Wii, Xbox360 and PS3 :-)
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Hi,
@alexh
Don't see how it could be the second best selling processor
in the world, when even Apple dropped it and upgraded to the
intel chip.
Have you looked at their new Leopard today?
This machine looks good, except for the price.
(yea, I know keeping up an old Amiga 4000 is just as
costly).
If the Amiga could have gone to the PPC about 10 years ago,
maybe it would have spearheaded more dev. by motorola, but
at this point motorolla has dropped all processor dev. and
has moved over to cell phones.
smerf
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Krusher wrote:
Flashlab wrote:
Don't know about McEwan but McEwen has screwed us from the beginning.
Irvin Gould did that with bringing in the person who shall not be named :madashell:
Hmmm - if you want me to understand whom you're tlking about I see no other way aside from naming the person...
:roll:
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Dandy wrote:
Hmmm - if you want me to understand whom you're tlking about I see no other way aside from naming the person...
:roll:
He was a consultant who was brought in by Irving Gould. Irving was looking for ways to get rid of Thomas Rattigan.
For some reason Irving and Thomas (CEO of Commodore) really didn't play nice together. History has placed the blame with Irving.
This consultant made the report built to order, and reccomended that Rattigan got fired, and Irvin was happy to oblige, and rewarded him who shall not be named with the job has CEO.
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smerf wrote:
Hi,
@Tension
Mr. McEwan is struggling to keep Amiga Inc. afloat,
What he stated about AInc's financial status during the Kent deal suggests otherwise...
smerf wrote:
...wish him the best of luck.
You want me to wish someone luck who frauded me?
Really makes me think about your character...
smerf wrote:
...Bill is a business man...
:-D :lol: :laughing:
Muahahaha!
Really a good one...
smerf wrote:
...trying to keep his company going,...
...by scamming his audience(s)!
smerf wrote:
yes he is on our side
:-D :lol: :laughing:
Muahahaha!
Annother good one...
You should really drop in as "Büttenredner" here in Cologne during the Karneval season - that might mean a new career you... ;-)
Hre only knows one side - and that's his own side and has not the least in common with the Amiga community side...
Wake up, man!
smerf wrote:
but he has bigger fish to fry than trying to bring a new
Amiga Computer into the world trying to compete with
PC computers, think about it, it just not going to happen.
Already thought about that.
Maybe here's your misunderstanding.
Amiga Computers were never meant to compete with "industrial standard" PC computers (although they have indeed outacted them until - lets say - the mid ninetees), they were meant as "Home Computers" from the very beginning (no memory protection, no multiuser support, ...).
smerf wrote:
He is currently engaged in writing software programs...
He's in no way qualified for coding tasks, AFAIK.
He's a former truck driver and nothing that has been made public so far tells he'd be able to write a single line of code...
smerf wrote:
...he owns the industry and can shut your computer down at any time unless you pay him dearly.
He does not own "the industry" and he's definitely up to now not able to shut down my A4kPPC in any way...
smerf wrote:
Case in point, I bought VISTA,
Lots of fun with it...
:roll:
smerf wrote:
my computer has been shut down several times for reactivation because I added new things to it (last one being a HP printer driver for my printer) now I will have to call (8th time in less than a year) some turkey in India, to have my VISTA reactivated for the 8th time. How much longer that will last I don't know because being a computer hardware hacker, I buy new uptodate hardware every couple of months. So MicroSoft has total control of my computer, and dictates what I can or can't do with it.
That's why I said "Lots of fun with it" above...
smerf wrote:
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So if Bill was smart,
Which "Bill" are you talking about - McEwing or Gates?
smerf wrote:
he would currently take the old Amiga OS and port it over to PC computers to boot up from the start and get software people to ride his train on the Amiga OS.
Ever heard of AROS?
It' even "Open Source", AFAIK...
smerf wrote:
Good Luck Bill McEwan, hope you read this and hopefully
you are still on Amigians side.
You whish a scammer luck? Makes me think about your character again...
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smerf wrote:
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(yea, I know keeping up an old Amiga 4000 is just as
costly).
Hmmmmm - I put together my Amiga4000PPC back in 1997/98, where the most expensive parts were the MoBo, the CyberstormPPC, the Micronik BigTower and the CybervisionPPC.
Two years ago I bought an Mediator PCI busboard (plus PCI cards) for it - but that was not that expensive.
Aside from that there were no significant costs to keep it up and running up to today...
smerf wrote:
If the Amiga could have gone to the PPC about 10 years ago,
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Actually it did that over 11 years ago (CyberstormPPC hit the market in November 1997)...
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arnljot wrote:
Dandy wrote:
Hmmm - if you want me to understand whom you're tlking about I see no other way aside from naming the person...
:roll:
He was a consultant who was brought in by Irving Gould. Irving was looking for ways to get rid of Thomas Rattigan.
For some reason Irving and Thomas (CEO of Commodore) really didn't play nice together. History has placed the blame with Irving.
This consultant made the report built to order, and reccomended that Rattigan got fired, and Irvin was happy to oblige, and rewarded him who shall not be named with the job has CEO.
Thanks for telling the story - but still I have no clue whom you're talking about (I didn't follow the Commodore internals very closely back then)...
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Dandy wrote:
Thanks for telling the story - but still I have no clue whom you're talking about (I didn't follow the Commodore internals very closely back then)...
His name is mentioned here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Gould
Also a funny quote:
A joke from the time says that if Commodore would sell KFC they would market it as "warm dead bird"
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The most famous game console of all - Deep Blue - was PPC based (sort of!) :crazy:
IBM does a pretty brisk trade in System p servers last time I checked, not exactly a game console.
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bloodline wrote:
alexh wrote:
persia wrote:
The main problem with PPC is that it's sole users are Game Consoles, which means it's development is in that line.
No they aren't. They are in everything from Set-top-box's to Phones, PDA's, routers, washing machines etc.
Do you have any links? The only PPC based product (other than my PowerBook and my BlizzPPC) I've ever seen which wasn't an XBox was an old router I had... Everything else I've seen has been ARM based... I probably have at least 10 ARMs in my house alone! Oh and a MIPS device too...
Xbox used Intel, the 360 uses PPC, as did the Gamecube, as the Wii does. Cell has a PPE core...
Coincidentally, the Wii has an ARM core inside it's Hollywood chip...
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No they aren't. They are in everything from Set-top-box's to Phones, PDA's, routers, washing machines etc.
Do you have any links? The only PPC based product (other than my PowerBook and my BlizzPPC) I've ever seen which wasn't an XBox was an old router I had... Everything else I've seen has been ARM based... I probably have at least 10 ARMs in my house alone! Oh and a MIPS device too...
This digital set top box from Maximum has PPC and it runs on Linux. It has hard drive, usb and ethernet. Perhaps a good basis for OS4.0?
http://www.cantab.se/MaximumC-8000CX-CI%5B1%5D.pdf
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Never the less you are far more limited in dealing with IBM rather than Intel or AMD. IBM's chips are designed for things other than computers, so you'll never have a G5 laptop for example.
It just makes sense to go with industry standard parts and make your difference in the OS. Linux, OS X and MS Windows all run on the same equipment but there's a ton of difference between them.
It's all really hypothetical though since the company that is leasing the Amiga name has no real interest in Amiga computers...
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persia wrote:
To be fair Amiga Inc is Garry Hare not Bill.
That is a strange setup considering KMOS/Amiga inc sued Garry Hare.
IFAIK Garry Hare won....
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I always asumed ARM was ppc as it does seem to run ppc software ?!?!? :-? :-? :-? O well i should read more
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So let's get the story. Garry Hare created a company called KMOS, Bill transfered Amiga bit by bit to KMOS, when the transfer was complete Bill let that Amiga Inc go bankrupt and KMOS was renamed Amiga Inc. Bill moved to the new Amiga Inc, pushed Garry aside and sued him?
How did Garry get pushed aside if he owned the company?
Why did Bill sue him?
Did Bill ever get his Matserati back after bankruptcy?
Why actually runs the company that today is called Amiga Inc?
Why are they so interested in the Amiga name but show little or no interest in the Amiga computer?
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I always asumed ARM was ppc as it does seem to run ppc software ?!?!? O well i should read more
Try Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture) page for more info. Porting to ARM is always a good thing, even for AROS (http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=39).
Dammy
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@Colin_Camper
IFAIK Garry Hare won....
*** May 18, 2006: The New York Judge dismisses Amiga's complaint, arguing that ""The language of the Agreement could not be more clear that it was [Amiga's] responsibility, not [Hare's] responsibility, to secure the $1,000,000.""
I would use the term "slam dunk", not just won.
The judge's comment is synonymous in court speak to "why the hell have you wasted the court's time with this nonsense."
#6
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@number6
I always rely on my failing memory, these days, rather than actually check things out for real - hence I would use more measured terms such as 'won' instead of 'slam dunk'.
Just in case I got it totally wrong again and leave myself enough room to escape! :-)
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Dandy wrote:
Thanks for telling the story - but still I have no clue whom you're talking about (I didn't follow the Commodore internals very closely back then)...
Dandy, he's talking about the Devil Incarnate, Medhi Ali. :roll:
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This name should be acomplished with a loud "PAAAANNNN", just like terror movies.
Have wou watched Mel Brooks'Young Frankestein ? Remember what happened when they said the name "Blucher" ? This is what I mean... :-D