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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: TDScompute on February 11, 2008, 02:33:41 PM
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Here is a link to a "new" a4000t
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-NEW-Amiga-4000T-with-Cyberstorm-PPC-68060-233Mhz_W0QQitemZ180214826934QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
At $4000, he is mighty proud of this puppy! Can we say "cashing in on the availability of OS4???)
Well, good luck to him! I hope he gets his dough for this puppy!
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:lol: hes not going to get $4000 for that
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WOW...a little to expensive......
"DREAM ON BUDDY"....good luck on the sale .. :lol: :lol:
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this guy has been pumping awesome stuff for a long time now ...
I bet anyone this stuff will sell before endtime.
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Holy crap! That's one hell of a computer. And one hell of a price tag. Crazy as it seems, I also think it will be sold. Just look at what the last AmigaOne mobo went for. This A4000T is probably even more coveted.
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Sadly, I think this Amiga might actually sell for that amount (or close to it). That is the state of things today (or the madness).
He's got an extremely clean & (once) powerful system, and his e-bay auction page is meticulous.
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Yeah, I bet it sells too. Everything else he has been listing has been selling. This looks like an awesome unit. I wonder what everything in this tower sold for when he bought it new? At $4000 he is probably still taking a loss.
If a used AmigaOne board can sell for $2300 I have no doubt a new A4000T with all the goodies will sell for more.
Dan :lol:
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Yeah right.. As if anyone would pay $4000 for that "new" machine. Possibly if he hadn't of opened it & f**ked around with it, but the fact that he has lowers its value considerably.
What he has done is effectively the same as owning a brand new never driven car and driving it just before selling it. What an idiot.
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Are you saying an unopened A4000T is worth more than a maxed out one like this is?
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I think it's going to sell for some mad money, because for the Amiga owners I've seen, they would be more then happy for him to have opened it up to put all those goodies in there.
When the gas prices were really high in the states, a used hybrid went for more then a new model of the same car. Why? Because the one model was physically available. That's why it will sell, because all that hard to get stuff if available.
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that seller must have found a warehouse of amiga stuff! he has sold all kind of goodies!
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<panty explosion>
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Hmm, don't seem to be able to put things in pointy brackets any more :-? Had to put a bold/unbold tag after the <. Don't remember having that problem before!
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moto
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The Amiga 4000T drive bay door still has the protective foil intact on it.
:bow:
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I don't mind paying the right price for hardware, but even I would baulk at $4000!
I would be too scared to even plug the thing in when it got home, let alone use it!
(Plus it would cost me more than just cash, as I imagine my better half would walk away with something more sensitive than my wallet if I brought this home)
:eek:
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Original Amiga PSU is not that bad. I have never seen a broken big box PSU in an Amiga.
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To be honest, its a bit OTT that,
but all the same I wish him good luck on it.
Mike. :-)
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Well, I bet all the individual components would set you back $1500. A CSPPC alone recently went for about $800. Add to that the fact that this is NOS, in pristine condition with all of the original packaging, and I don't think it's a bad price.
If I had £2000 to spare I'd buy it without a second thought.
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moto
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To be honest, if I had won the lottery (and no I am not being funny) I would snap that up in a second.
Its not many systems like that you see on eBay these days.
Mike.
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I agree. I would snap it up also. You aren't gonna see one like that once a year.
Dan
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tbh i reckon if i won the lottery i`d snap it up too, although i`d want him to deliver it for that kinda dough hehe. Mind you I guess if you wanted to get a 4000T and install the same parts by buying them individually from say fleabay it would cost a damn site more. Impressive machine though. Just a shame Amiga commands such a high price these days compared to other retro hardware. Perhaps one day i`ll own a bigbox or tower Amiga myself *sigh*
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who wouldn't be proud of that A4000T. Why cant i be rich :roll:
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But that is a DCE PPC card! I wouldn't touch that with a 100 foot pole. It will die, period. Those DCE cards suck... Mine died and it is somewhere in Germany now and I never got anything back from it so I am out $800...
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It's a lot of money, but hey, if it fills your needs...
I know, I paid a stupid amount of money on a Buffy statue, and she's just standing about doing nothing (ok, it's the largest statue ever made so..)
Same with cars, if I had the money I'd pay top dollar (or is it Euro these days :-P ) for a mint condition black 1963 split rear window Corvette Stingray. And I don't even have a drivers license :-D :crazy:
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He deserves to get what he`s asking! :-)
Where else u gunno go buy a Brand New Still Packed Amiga 4000T? C`mon...where! :-?
Enuff said & fair play to the fella. I shall be asking for some amazing prices for some of my Kit soon, but just where else are you gunno get it? The Amiga will always have it`s dedicated followers.
Looking back the the history of "StillTheHardest" & his most recent plethora of eBay Ads, one can only say "WOW". Every Ad he has placed has been with a starting bid. This A4KT is "Buy It Now", meaning, he prolly don`t give a Rats Ass about selling it or not. He couldn`t ever replace it, making it worth more than a measly 4000 bucks!
Everything in life is only worth what someone is willing to pay! Amigas are no different.
Very Best of Luck to the Guy. He deserves it! :-D
*edit*
He even includes an Un-modified Drive Mount Plate for your convenience. What a Star! :-)
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I'd pay that for that in a heartbeat. It seems like a lot of money, but look what you get. Try and beat it.
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Well, gone is that brief period where you could grab people's Amiga hardware for pennies in the pound. It's an enthusiast's platform now and hardware's rare, particularly such as what this guy is selling.
If I had the money to spare, I'd buy it. And you can't guarantee SOMEONE among us will have the money to spare, so my guess is it'll sell.
If you calculate the cost of those components sold seperately these days then it's not so high really. And to have them all in one complete, nicely boxed package is worth the slight premium.
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Caius wrote:
Are you saying an unopened A4000T is worth more than a maxed out one like this is?
Yes, of course it is.
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Braddo wrote:
Caius wrote:
Are you saying an unopened A4000T is worth more than a maxed out one like this is?
Yes, of course it is.
Absolutely. Who cares whether you know if it works or not, as long as you can be the first to unpack it.
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@Braddo
When you buy a new car do you assume it's never been used before? When you buy a pair of jeans you do assume they've never been worn? Haven't you ever taken a car for a test drive? Haven't you ever tried on a pair of jeans in a store? Do you think the seller discards these items when you've tried them rather than selling them to someone else? Do you say, "Hey, I saw that other guy trying these jeans. I want 50% off!"?
As for Amiga hardware I wouldn't buy something unless the seller had tested that it actually worked.
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*IF* I had the money, I'd buy that in the blink of an eye. Unfortunately, I don't.
As for price, well, I'd say that it's about right given the levels that PPC accelerators are going for...
Sure it's a lot of money for an old computer, but it is without doubt the best specified Amiga going and if I were putting together my dream specification Amiga, that'd be it.
Well, apart from I'd hack it into a 3000 desktop case :D (yes, I know it won't fit, but I like my Amigas to look like Amigas)
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WOW. Very Nice system and someone will pay it...
I would if i had no wife, kids and home.... :-D
But seriously i can't remember the last NOS A4000T with specs like that, that popped up anywhere let alone eBay... Oh well i wish i can win lotto tomorrow. :-D
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Braddo wrote:
Caius wrote:
Are you saying an unopened A4000T is worth more than a maxed out one like this is?
Yes, of course it is.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Funniest nonsense I heard this week :lol:
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What would a 30+ yo, single, (arguably virginal) Amiga nerd who has a spare $4000 most like?
1) A Mint condition Amiga Technologies A4000T
2) A mail order Thai bride from http://www.buyawife.com
Tough choice.
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alexh wrote:
What would a 30+ yo, single, (arguably virginal) Amiga nerd who has a spare $4000 most like?
1) A Mint condition Amiga Technologies A4000T
2) A mail order Thai bride from http://www.buyawife.com
Do they come with an inflator?
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That is a very VERY nice setup though.
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dannyp1 wrote:
Yeah, I bet it sells too. Everything else he has been listing has been selling. This looks like an awesome unit. I wonder what everything in this tower sold for when he bought it new? At $4000 he is probably still taking a loss.
If a used AmigaOne board can sell for $2300 I have no doubt a new A4000T with all the goodies will sell for more.
Dan :lol:
well, its a sellers market - people charge according to how they feel about something; I certainly wouldnt sell my A1200 for £100, it means more than that to me. and My A1 isnt for sale at any price- what would I run OS4 on ?!
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Just to put a sense of reality into this, that's as much as or more than an 8 core Power Mac. That's two 4 core Xenon chips running at 3 GHz. With 9 GB of RAM and a 250 GB hard drive.
Nice as Amiga is, we're talking about some serious computer power here against last century technology. Amiga prices have lost all connection with reality. It's a sad day. The Amiga is now just a toy for the elite that can blow outrageous sums of money on things.
I mean how do you even brag about it? I spent four grand on a machine that has far less processing power than my mobile phone? That's the reality folks, like it or not.
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You must remember, we're talking hobbies here. Not bang for the buck.
When you talk about hobbies, everything changes. Take a look at Corvettes. A 1963 is worth more than any Vette made in the 90's. Is it a better car? No, not in any way. Not as well built, not as fuel effecient, parts are impossible to find, etc., etc. Is it more desirable to a collector? Yes!
You can get a real nice 2.8 ghz loaded computer on EBay for $100. Is it as good as the super-dooper $4000 computers you refer to? Of course not. Are those computers $3900 dollars better? I would say no. But to someone who wants to be cutting edge, state of the art, and money is not an issue it's a no brainer to get the loaded new computer.
Dan
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Agafaster said:
My A1 isnt for sale at any price- what would I run OS4 on ?!
Just remember what The Million Dollar Man Ted DeBiase says "Every man has his price!".
In all seriousness, I envy you having the AmigaOne!! Someday I will breakdown and spend the $2300 and get one.
Dan
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Yeah, I guess I have a hard time with the collector mentality. I come from the days when Amiga was the "people's computer" and provided more bang for the buck than anything out there. But that Amiga is a long dead memory I guess. I suppose the buyer of this 4000T will keep it in a glass cabinet and only turn it on to show it off. It's more a monied elite who can throw lots of money at old machnes.
The seller made a mistake opening the box though, that peak probably cost him hundreds of dollars.
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persia wrote:
Just to put a sense of reality into this, that's as much as or more than an 8 core Power Mac. That's two 4 core Xenon chips running at 3 GHz. With 9 GB of RAM and a 250 GB hard drive.
Nice as Amiga is, we're talking about some serious computer power here against last century technology. Amiga prices have lost all connection with reality. It's a sad day. The Amiga is now just a toy for the elite that can blow outrageous sums of money on things.
I mean how do you even brag about it? I spent four grand on a machine that has far less processing power than my mobile phone? That's the reality folks, like it or not.
But ur Mobile Phone wont Do Video Work, Render a 3D Image, Word Process, Format a hard drive & a Floppy Disk in Pee Cee Format, or use Pee Cee PCI Cards; & all @ the same time. Throw a CDROM in ur Pee Cee & stop working untill the bloody thing has spun up & been read! :madashell:
The only Reality here is if someone wants this A4KT, for what some consider a Princely sum of $4000, they can have it. As a bonus, they can do most things Pee Cees can whilst not costing a small fortune to run on 1KW+ PSU's and consuming Billions of WATTS when crunching numbers. The only reason why CPU architecture has gone the way it has is down to cr4p Program Coding being bloated beyond un-fathomable amounts. Then after several hours of burning huge amounts of Energy, you come back to the Pee Cee to see either a BSOD or a Fatal Exception! :lol: Game over!
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I'm pretty sure the seller is x56h34 here. Not sure why he's getting rid of his collection but that's a mighty nice system.
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I received a response from the seller. It appears that the A4000 was indeed unused, but the PPC accelerator had been used. He just installed the accelerator, upgraded the PSU and tested the unit.
C'mon! Give the guy a break and someone drop 4 Large on this system! :-D
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With the windfall he had finding this stuff, I think he's had quite enough breaks already :lol:
Good luck to him though, I'm not sure I could have brought myself to sell it!
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Has anyone formatted a floppy disk in a PC in the 21st Century? The bloody things hold nothing are unreliable and cost more than a standard CD. But for less than 2 thousand US dollars I can burn a dvd, render a three d image, edit a 12 Megapixel photo, design a newsletter with pictures, tables and graphs, process a podcast and edit an HD video on m Mac. And if anyone of them crashes the others just carry on without noticing. Oh, and if I need more power I can use xGrid and share the processors on my wife's and son's computers...
Oh, forgot to mention the webhosting, radio station in the background and serving a video to my Apple TV.
And as far as power, the A4000 is rated at 150 watts for the CPU alone, not counting monitors - did you say CRT? My iMac is rated at 120 and draws about 93 when stressed.
1994 technology is 1994 technology...
:destroy:
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Meh.....it's an A4000T....it's not worth 4G's.....it's not MilSpec. Now an A2000....
*runs and hides*
:-P
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this seller has sold alot of top quality amiga gear over the last few months..i bet he/she is an x miggy dealer/worker etc.
based on his past auctions and feedback I say he sells it soon for more like $3,000......
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Well, it has not sold yet, and on reflection I can see why, basically the buyer would get:-
one A4000T
one cyberstorm PPC accelerator
one cybervision graphics card
one 18GB hard drive
one CD-ROM drive
138MB RAM
one OS3.9CD
Not much for $4000, is it?
I think he will have to split the system up.
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If I could, I'd buy it, just so I could debunk Alexh's statement and I'm quoting him here, verbatim in toto:
What would a 30+ yo, single, (arguably virginal) Amiga nerd who has a spare $4000 most like?
1) A Mint condition Amiga Technologies A4000T
2) A mail order Thai bride from http://www.buyawife.com
I'm not a virgin. ;-) :lol:
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>Has anyone formatted a floppy disk in a PC in the 21st Century?
Yes, me. Simulated one and a real one.
>The bloody things hold nothing are unreliable and cost more than a standard CD.
If you had some efficiently encoded and unique software like I do, you won't need a CD-R/RW. A floppy would be sufficient. The CD-Rs are also unreliable-- they are more easily scratched than a floppy disk. They should have put them (CDs and DVDs) in a case like floppy disks-- ahh, but that would be 1970s/80s technology.
>But for less than 2 thousand US dollars I can burn a dvd, render a three d image, edit a 12 Megapixel photo, design a newsletter with pictures, tables and graphs, process a podcast and edit an HD video on m Mac.
And your still not satisfied. Otherwise, if I claim a twice the faster system and twice the storage that would not disturb you.
>And if anyone of them crashes the others just carry on without noticing...
Unless one of the tasks happens to be spyware/virus infected then your HD/memory/network and consequent DVD/CD outputs are unreliable.
>And as far as power, the A4000 is rated at 150 watts for the CPU alone, not counting monitors - did you say CRT? My iMac is rated at 120 and draws about 93 when stressed.
So a PC laptop is better than your iMac then.
>1994 technology is 1994 technology...
Yes, some of it unique that has yet to be topped. I guess Einstein's theories are old technology too-- perhaps we should come up with better theories.
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To all the people saying "You could get a much faster new computer for that money!", you are absolutely right of course, but then classic sports cars increase in value, and you could get a brand new ford focus for a fraction of the cost, but i'd take the vintage sports car every time.
That is one *SWEET* system that I would buy if I was rich enough for C$4000 to be pocket change. I'm not, though, so I won't ;-).
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amigaksi wrote:
>Has anyone formatted a floppy disk in a PC in the 21st Century?
Yes, me. Simulated one and a real one.
>The bloody things hold nothing are unreliable and cost more than a standard CD.
If you had some efficiently encoded and unique software like I do, you won't need a CD-R/RW. A floppy would be sufficient. The CD-Rs are also unreliable-- they are more easily scratched than a floppy disk. They should have put them (CDs and DVDs) in a case like floppy disks-- ahh, but that would be 1970s/80s technology.
And of course the real replacement for floppies in terms of storage are flash drives and network storage. DVDs (and CDs) are mainly for backup and distribution of software and movies.
I held onto floppies until about 2000 when my (then) 2 year old decided that it would be great fun to pull that metal slider off...
Nowadays I carry a 4 GB pen drive on my keychain, that's about 2,777 floppies and it doesn't have a sliding door :lol:
>But for less than 2 thousand US dollars I can burn a dvd, render a three d image, edit a 12 Megapixel photo, design a newsletter with pictures, tables and graphs, process a podcast and edit an HD video on m Mac.
And your still not satisfied. Otherwise, if I claim a twice the faster system and twice the storage that would not disturb you.
I expect to replace it with twice the system in a few years, that's technology for you.
>And if anyone of them crashes the others just carry on without noticing...
Unless one of the tasks happens to be spyware/virus infected then your HD/memory/network and consequent DVD/CD outputs are unreliable. :quickdraw:
I've een running a spyware and virus protector since 2001. It has never gone off. Maybe you're confusing it with an alternative OS that comes out of Washington...
:quickdraw:
>And as far as power, the A4000 is rated at 150 watts for the CPU alone, not counting monitors - did you say CRT? My iMac is rated at 120 and draws about 93 when stressed.
So a PC laptop is better than your iMac then.
Simply responding to an arument about power consumption, the A4000 may have the computing power of a mobile phone but it consumes power like two or three iMacs...
>1994 technology is 1994 technology...
Yes, some of it unique that has yet to be topped. I guess Einstein's theories are old technology too-- perhaps we should come up with better theories.
What has yet to be topped? I can run rings around an Amiga 4000 for half that price. It was Amiga that allowed me to dream in the late eighties, but it's Mac that fulfills that dream in the late naughts.
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It's mine folks.
This baby is coming to MEXICO.
Cheers...
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@Dragster
Congratulations!! I actually got one of those I managed to buy from german eBay. It's only an 3640 but it had a PicassoIV in it, with all modules, all for 500 Euros. To be honest with you I don't use/need it and though about selling it various times, it's not that special really, maybe just for the cool retro factor...:)
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@Jose
Thank you. Well, I had the seller to lower the price a little bit, I just need something bigger, my A1200T is great, but I don't have space anymore, I could sell it, who knows... An Amiga4000T is an AMIGA4000T :-)
Cheers
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:banana:
You are the only person I can imagine more excited than me about a recent ePay purchase!! I GOT A BLIZZARD 2060! :banana:
So, how much did you end up getting it for?
And, BTW, allow me to offer my services to inspect it before it enters Mexico :-D
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Well, the A4000T loaded sold for $3650.00 Canadian. I think someone here predicted that it would sell for this......
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180214826934&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008 (http://eBay A4000T )
NOTE: It appears the link is not working above so you must cut and paste the URL.....sorry
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I think someone here bought it.
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Congrats to Dragster...My entire collection of Amiga items does not come close to that one purchase. But what a machine that A4000T is. So that would be 39,347.00 Mexican Pesos, amazing.....Enjoy!!!
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@Firedawg
Yeah, it's a lot of money. I negotiated the final price tag, there was no way I could pay $4000... so I posted an offer and negotiated upon it.
and yes...CDN$3650 was the final price.
Cheers!
D.
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When the gas prices were really high in the states, a used hybrid went for more then a new model of the same car.
// A bit of off-topic chatter
:admonish: <-- me reading the underlined part above
With all due respect, you Americans don't know the first thing about gas prices around the world. Whereas you pay ~$3 for a gallon of regular gas, here in Europe we pay ~1-1.5 euro per liter - for your understanding that's $5,5-8,3 per gallon!
Oh, and another thing, there's no such thing as regular gasoline where I live - there's premium and even-more-premium (which my car's addicted to) which is obviously is even-more-expensive.
Please, don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking you. I just get seriously nervous when someone who earns 2.8 times more (at an average) pays half the price and still grumbles they're too high... :madashell:
// Off-topic chatter ends
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Dragster wrote:
It's mine folks.
This baby is coming to MEXICO.
Cheers...
Congratulations Dragster!
The price might have been a bit high in some peoples minds, but you have purchased a mint piece of Amiga history and should be able to enjoy many years of use with that A4000T. If I had the money to burn I would have tried to get it too.
Let us all know that it arrived in good shape and that it is working well for you. I am trying to perform a new OS3.9 install on my A4000T and I am having trouble with the floppy drive and a dieing HD that has OS3.9 already on it, as well as troubles with the CSPPC SCSI chain recognition.
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spavatch wrote:
When the gas prices were really high in the states, a used hybrid went for more then a new model of the same car.
// A bit of off-topic chatter
:admonish: <-- me reading the underlined part above
With all due respect, you Americans don't know the first thing about gas prices around the world. Whereas you pay ~$3 for a gallon of regular gas, here in Europe we pay ~1-1.5 euro per liter - for your understanding that's $5,5-8,3 per gallon!
Oh, and another thing, there's no such thing as regular gasoline where I live - there's premium and even-more-premium (which my car's addicted to) which is obviously is even-more-expensive.
Please, don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking you. I just get seriously nervous when someone who earns 2.8 times more (at an average) pays half the price and still grumbles they're too high... :madashell:
// Off-topic chatter ends
[off topic]Try UK Prices then!
We haven't seen the right side of a pound a litre for some time and probably never will again![/off topic]
It was nice to see the Miggy went to a good home though.
Well done on negotiating a better deal fella.