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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: toaster46 on January 21, 2008, 05:32:38 PM
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Hello to everyone,
I have decide to sell my amiga 4000 after i relize that i have to use it over one year.I have pay a lot of money to collect all this hardware and i would like to sell it again and i will keep only the original case with the motherboard and the A3640 card.For any photo or detail please email me on korodinis@in.gr. Here is the sale stuff:
- one Cyberstorm PPC604e with 128 Mb ram with Cybervision PPC graphic card - price -500 euro (also as a gift i will give one original OS4.0 box version )
- one videotoaster a4000 full board (no original software - only a copy cd) price - 200 euro
- one Tocata soundcard price - 100 euro
- 2 original (new) keyboards - 50 euro
- 1 A4066 Ethernet card - 100 euro
I can send them to europe or US via UPS or FEDEX and of cource local pickup will be the best solution for me.
All the stuff are in almost new and working condition.
Thanks
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You've got mail.
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Did anyone buy some hardware from this guy ?
I bought and sent him money. But he always wrote back that the money was not on his bank account. And now he does not respond to my emails. I worry that my money has gone forever.
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Are you the same guy who posted about the seller on amigaworld.de?
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no
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a1200freak wrote:
no
Then you are possibly a 2nd or 3rd victim.
check this out (http://www.amigafuture.de/viewtopic.php?p=32159&sid=a2f91285c2b0742eca04984609c6bcf4)
I suggest you contact the other victim and compare your emails and the account information and contact the local police.
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Hmmm, I've read the following thread at the Amiga-future forum (http://www.amigafuture.de/viewtopic.php?t=18900).
I'd be a little more carefull before sending this guy my money.
Edit:
Oops, Krusher was a little faster than me
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Oh {bleep} ...
So my money has gone away.
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what? :-x
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You've got PM.
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Waste like him they soil the amiga community.
But is not the only one. 2 times to past, users from amibench rip me. The last 2 years buy ONLY from Ebay and ONLY via PayPal. That is the safest way. The Good price is the bait and the victim fall to the trap.
:rtfm:
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That's terrible really. Never trust a man which his first post it's only for selling items (especially Amiga ones) here on Amiga.org and at the same date and time on amigafuture.de
Don't catch the bait! He came with a PPC card for A4000 from really nowhere, is that curious enough? A guy (nickname) that doesn't exist in our forums (amigahellas.gr) and no-one is ever heard of him.
So, for all users out there. If you are not sure with whom you are dealing with ask the other members here. It's obvious that this guy is greek (definetely) so it was better to ask greek users here in amiga.org first, like me, keropi, mr zammler and so on.
That's really sad my friend. These people even exist till now and I heard a lot of stories from the old Amibench (closed down) but it's another story.
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thats so sad :-(
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Really sad. :-( We don't need that kind of persons on Amiga community :destroy:
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Anyone that was scummed by him, please PM me. I cannot read german , so anyone with an account on the other forums where ppl where scummed please tell them to contact me or redirect them here.
thank you.
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Hello,
i have send this asshole my money to, i havent read this here, before, because i have read it on www.amigafuture.de
please kontact me. If anyone will consoluting a lawyr
best reguards
keropi wrote:
Anyone that was scummed by him, please PM me. I cannot read german , so anyone with an account on the other forums where ppl where scummed please tell them to contact me or redirect them here.
thank you.
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Like the others pointed out, the guy just added himself on here and then sold straight away. Never buy off anyone who is newly added and has very few posts.
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If you have the direct bank details of this person then you need to do what is known in the UK as a "Jeremey Clarkson".
What is that I hear you ask?
Well he is a journalist / presenter who wrote in his column that it was perfectly safe to give out your bank details as there was no way of deducting money from a persons account... only pay in and thus he posted his sort code and account number.
A reader then worked out which bank he used (from his sort code) and went and picked up a direct debit form, completed it and arranged to debit money each month to a registered charity.
I dunno how long it took Clarkson to realise the money was leaving his account each month but he posted a followup a few months later.
So there you go.. set up a direct debit with a charity from this guy's account ;)
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alexh wrote:
If you have the direct bank details of this person then you need to do what is known in the UK as a "Jeremey Clarkson".
Hello,
i have the direct bank detail. But my bank cant do a direkt debit.
What is that I hear you ask?
Well he is a journalist / presenter who wrote in his column that it was perfectly safe to give out your bank details as there was no way of deducting money from a persons account... only pay in and thus he posted his sort code and account number.
A reader then worked out which bank he used (from his sort code) and went and picked up a direct debit form, completed it and arranged to debit money each month to a registered charity.
I dunno how long it took Clarkson to realise the money was leaving his account each month but he posted a followup a few months later.
So there you go.. set up a direct debit with a charity from this guy's account ;)
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@ alexh
PMSL!! :-D
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Never TRUST people with only 1 post!!!!
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Admins should ban his account, even though I know he'll just make a new one.
-Nyle
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First of all, can you have the bank details and ask your bank office to verify the identity and the address of this guy.
Just show an "home made" Email where you'll wrote in place of the seller, that the money is locked for "inspection" by the seller bank !!!
Then you could get the address and find a nice Amiga friend in Greek to visit him soon...
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So, may be some small update of "personal" data in accounts, like country? So, we can identify our nationalities?
Just a idea...
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CLS2086 wrote:
First of all, can you have the bank details and ask your bank office to verify the identity and the address of this guy.
Just show an "home made" Email where you'll wrote in place of the seller, that the money is locked for "inspection" by the seller bank !!!
Then you could get the address and find a nice Amiga friend in Greek to visit him soon...
How about we raise money to set a trap for this bugger to hand him to the police?
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This is scary. I just recently started lurking in the Amiga scene again, and have been hoping to fin an A4000 (or A4kT!). I had C64s and played a lot with a friend's A1200 (I think) when I was a kid, and miss it.
I could very easily have been scammed by this guy :( I won't use Fleabay to buy, and now I'm nervous about direct buy via scene forums :(
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Well, if you post enough you should develop a good reputation (unless you're doomy or boingboss in disguise ;) Try buying from reputable amiga.org members who have bought/sold stuff already. For new kit, you could always try Amigakit.com, he has even NOS A1200s and CD32s for sale. I've never had a problem with anything Matthew has sent. Redrumloa is a long-time seller with a new on-line shop and offers occasionally direct buy options for Amiga and C64/128 stuff to members here. I could also recommend Jens (Schoenfeld) of Individual Computers, though most of his stuff is direct buy through resellers like redrumloa and Amigakit. Mika L. (user mrmkl) is a hardware developer of the 68000 ide adapter, he's very honest and a good option if he makes another run of these cool adapters. Effy, DJBase, BenShep, Gdanko and many others are also honest guys. The list goes on and on really. It's really too bad a few scammers have hurt some members, but I'd have to say the vast majority of folks here who post often are an honest, albeit sometimes cranky lot.
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This couln't be Bent Binder could it? I guess he will reappear sometime. Remember he scammed over 2500 Euros from AOrg members.
JaX
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Maybe another clue is that he's asking euros for a video toaster.
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Well he is a journalist / presenter who wrote in his column that it was perfectly safe to give out your bank details as there was no way of deducting money from a persons account... only pay in and thus he posted his sort code and account number.
I remember not too long ago some AO members saying the same thing in response to a post where someone was pointing out an ebay auction that had all that information on it. Who's :crazy: now, huh?
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@JaXanim
"This couln't be Bent Binder could it? I guess he will reappear sometime. Remember he scammed over 2500 Euros from AOrg members.
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That one was german IIRC. I also got scammed by him on that one :-x A lot of us did actually, can't remember how many but maybe close to 10. The threads about it must still be here .., what I remember the police was contacted but the answer was that he was already facing other legal issues that were more prioritary (? IIRC...) so we thought he was in jail and didn't have money to pay or something...
Would love to get my money back on that one but it probably won't happend.
BTW, the scammer is of course reading these forums so no point setting up anything in a public forum....
Maybe there should be a secret forum available only to older memebers:)
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Username toaster46
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how gullible people can get?
I mean really, don't you ever ask for any referral informations before sending your $?
1 post should make you at least suspicious, guy came here and offered some relatively tough to find items.
does anyone have his name?
we may at least warn others about this scumbag :madashell:
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The IP is from Athens, Greece.
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webmany wrote:
The IP is from Athens, Greece.
He might have been spoofing his IP.
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@ Xamiche, Nah it sounds legit, most spoof ones will be in eastern Asia.
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Here is the contact info for the ISP. They likley will not help without a court order, but you can always try. They will need the time and date of when the user was online.
person: Karatheodorou Kostas
address: Network Operation and Management Center - NOMC
address: OTEnet SA
address: OTE Building, 3rd floor
address: 47 Mpenaki Str. & Koletti Str.
address: GR 10681, Athens GREECE
phone: +30-210-6151600
fax-no: +30-210-6151900
e-mail: koskar@otenet.gr
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"The IP is from Athens, Greece."
doomy is on holiday! 8-)
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Of course you will need court order, but also you will need a good lawyer. But did you imagine how much one good lawyer wants for the case? It's too complicated really. You will try to get your money back (500 euros) and you will finally pay 3x or 4x the amount.
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I don't mean to scratch the itch, but I know how it feels to be scammed, and I was almost scammed by this guy (if that's what he was doing - more below). I also emailed him and the conversation went something like this:
"Hey friend, do you still have the Cyberstorm/Cybervision? If so, can you send photos? PS. Are you from Athens Greece?"
And he responded:
"They closed both cards via telephone from Germany. I can't trick the man. I've packaged them and are waiting shipment. Thank you anyhow for your interest."
By "closed" he meant that they have been reserved. And by "trick" he meant, I can't fool the guy and give them to you instead.
Now to me he sounded very proper, HOWEVER I hadn't asked him to give me the cards instead. I just asked if they're still available. Not sure why he thought otherwise or responded like that.
Anyhow, the unfortunate reality is that you can't do jack {bleep} with his IP address and stuff. What's needed is some Greek Amiga users to locate him and beat the {bleep} out of him (assuming he scammed people and didn't just become deadly ill or the package is still in the mail or who knows what). I don't know if he revealed any name, but if you sent money to a bank account then you probably got some name. It seems his last name is Koronidis. Who knows what his first is. There probably won't be that many people with that name in Athens.
Good luck!
PS. I've since email him back and have had bounces from his email box being full. Not as easy as ZXoney, right Rkauer? :-)
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Eheh, right. Xzoney was a "confused" person, not a scammer.
My accelerator comes simply too late (over 3 months!), and in the meantime I fired up Ebay, Paypal, the Pope and US police...
Poor fellow!
But I think this is not the case of this individual (toaster46), as him offer (and take money from) other amigans.
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Hehehe. I don't know how confused he was, but the poor fellow (if what he said is true) lost his job and a lot of other bad things happened all at once. I've had similar situations, but the first thing I'd do is send out those packages! Anyways... I've been emailing this toaster46 guy, but no luck with his mail box emptying up... :-(
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Hello all,
i tried anything to get my money back from this cheater, but nothing helps.
My bank dont made an direct debit.
I will post the bank datas from the cheater, if any can made a debit from him, so do it and have fun with stollen money. because he has stollen it from other amiga users:
here the facst
Konstantinos Korontinis
iban:GR7601402970297002101021539
BANK:ALPHA BANK
porto cheli,argolida
Greece
post code 21053
best reguards
doc
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Please dont tell me you got scammed for 500 euros... :headwall:
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yes i send him 500 euro for a long time, i have read it on www.amigafuture.de before i have found this thread
reguards doc
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Sorry to hear about you getting screwed DrFrantic. Thats a lot of money.
I think this needs to be said.
I see occasionally posts where people talk of "visiting" scammers or doing damage to their bank accounts. This is illegal of course. Don't do it. If there is one thing you can count on in life is criminals getting away with stuff and good people doing bad things in the heat of the moment getting nailed to the wall for the slightest infraction. It's not worth it. Keep your actions legit. Gather up as much info as you can and press the police and detectives into doing the dirty work. That's what they are there for.
Good people have lots to loose and criminals typically have nothing to loose. It's not fair but thats life.