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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Everblue on January 19, 2008, 08:30:56 AM
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Why is Morphos seen by many as a very valid Amiga alternative? Ironically Morphos is in the exact opposite situation of OS4 - You can buy OS4, but no hardware for it to run on, and you can buy an Efika, but there is no Morphos version out (yet) for it.
So what do you guys think - is Morphos a real alternative to the 'next-gen Amiga OS' or its just a marketing ploy to keep Amiga users interested in Genesi stuff?
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Not only it is a real alternative to Amigaos, it is also the only alternative, at least till Aros shapes up to be something usefull.
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I try to pretend it doesn't exist.
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Can't see Morphos as much of an alternative as it suffers from the same problem as OS4, as you say.
AROS seems the best bet as getting the combo of software and hardware together is straightforward as the rest of the normal computer world.
No idea how good either of them are as I have nver tried either.
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I try to pretend it doesn't exist.
No idea how good either of them are as I have nver tried either.
To turn your argument around, this tells everything about why Hyperion's OS is seen by everyone as the next AmigaOS.
Why is Morphos seen by many as a very valid Amiga alternative?
As it is faster, more mature, more compatible, more advanced and more robust than AmigaOS4?
Fact is, it's not AmigaOS. That's why it is an alternative.
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Just wondering... is software released for OS4 usually ported to MorphOS and vice versa?
I understand that Amiga 680x0 stuff runs on both systems via JITS emulation.
Thanks guys!
E'Blue
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I understand that Amiga 680x0 stuff runs on both systems via JITS emulation.
Correct.
Just wondering... is software released for OS4 usually ported to MorphOS and vice versa?
MorphOS, just as it has for PowerUP/WarpOS and Warp3D, has also a wrapper for OS4 programs called OS4emu.
It's not perfect, so not every program will work, but there is quite a range.
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No idea how good either of them are as I have nver tried either.
To turn your argument around, this tells everything about why Hyperion's OS is seen by everyone as the next AmigaOS.
Didn't understand this.
Just got up so am probably being a bit thick.
What exactly did you mean?
Cheers
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Why is Morphos seen by many as a very valid Amiga alternative?
Because it's development was started by Amiga enthusiasts at a time where Amiga Inc. stated there will be no new AOS.
It runs Amiga 3.x software (if it does not hit the Hardware) and feels and works like Amiga OS. At least if you normally use programs that use a MUI GUI.
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Didn't understand this.
Just got up so am probably being a bit thick.
What exactly did you mean?
It's just a partial quote :)
I referred to ignorance regarding alternatives. Which renders for most OS4 the one and only.
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What exactly did you mean?
Hem, I think he meant most amiga-users actually neither tried an alternative, nor desired to do this anyway, so they can't understand how much those 'alternatives' are good and tied to the original good old AmigaOS spirit.
And, I can add, sometimes they prefer reiterating the same objections forever, independetly from the reality. For istance, I read here that AROS is still "useless" while I have it installed on a PC I can actually use for coding, reading emails, chat with IRC, play MP3s, MPEGs and AVIs, paint something with Lunapaint and, hopefully soon, browse the Internet with Traveller. Which is not so much, but it's pretty more than "useless" and fairly promising for the future. In order to show what's exactly the point reached by AROS in the latest weeks, I've just released a new beta version of my VmwAROS distribution, www.vmwaros.org. Sorry you need a fluent PC with at least free VMware Player or Served installed on to test it by yourself.
Some months ago I saw MorphOS running on a Peg and it was quite good. However I'm not a big fan just for the same reason I'm not so fond of AOS4 either: they are old-age ideas sold to you as like as they were revolutionary products. And the day you have to pick up your money and give 'em to anyone, you like the idea they will come back someway by using the product you're buying, and this is not the case for AOS4 and MorphOS. That's the main motivation why I think Amiga should naturally go for a completely Open Source way, and AROS is the only one. I don't spend money on it (well, not quite exact: I've spent some money on bounties, but I've quit drinking beers in pubs after marriage ^__^), so anything I do with it, even only amusing myself, is well accepted.
In the end, I see AROS, MorphOS and AmigaOS4 as three faces of the same concept, so I prefer looking for what unites them, instead of what divides.
Cheers,
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Ah, I'm with you now.
Yes, that does seem to be some peoples attitude.
I wonder what they will do if Hyperion lose and Amiga Inc just dumps OS4.
Although this could also be the fate of Morphos and AROS.
I assume nobody is making a great deal of money out of any of the above and potentially all three could bite the dust.
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I assume nobody is making a great deal of money out of any of the above and potentially all three could bite the dust.
That's a very valid fear. Luckily(?) Amiga and the alternatives tend to go on forever in zombi mode without fuel :-)
There's very little money in either AROS, MorphOS or OS4. Yet all three is showing definite life signs.
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MorphOS was the _only_ alternative for "new AmigaOS" running at PPC hardware at the time. Long before OS4 was announced and any "split" had happened. And it all started with BPPC/CSPPC without Genesi stuff you talk about :) Check late 90's advertisements from Amiga magazines... I remember how there were adds of Elbox SharkPPC running with MorphOS etc ;) It is just later when MorphOS users suddenly became "traitor", "evil" or similar among the certain name followers.
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It is just later when MorphOS users suddenly became "traitor", "evil" or similar among the certain name followers.
I've always that whole attitude was just incredibly silly. I've never used MorphOS and dont know the whole "politics" behind everything (And dont care).
If It ran on the Efika or Mac Mini I would be a new user. The same goes for OS4
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i have tried morphos and to be honest it's just a marketing ploy to keep amiga users interested in genesis stuff. they are just in it to earn money and split the amiga community as i see it...
morphos can run aos3.1 software but thats all to it and nothing more of interest, the new aos it never will be.
a good alternative for aos3.1 will be aros, when its ready...
you can buy aos4.0 and buy used ppc cards on ebay and run it... so saying there is no hw to run aos4 on is just crap talk...
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Everblue wrote:
Why is Morphos seen by many as a very valid Amiga alternative? Ironically Morphos is in the exact opposite situation of OS4 - You can buy OS4, but no hardware for it to run on, and you can buy an Efika, but there is no Morphos version out (yet) for it.
This statement is completely false.
You can buy OS4, but there is no hardware for it.
You can't buy MorphOS, because it is free!!
MorphOS works on the same hardware as the OS4 for sale, classic PPC accelerators.
So what do you guys think - is Morphos a real alternative to the 'next-gen Amiga OS' or its just a marketing ploy to keep Amiga users interested in Genesi stuff?
I will pretend you are not just trolling. MorphOS if far more compatible with classic Amiga software than OS4 is, that is not a disputed point even by OS4 fans.
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Then add the fact that legality of MorphOS is not in question. OTOH legality of OS4 appears to be very shaky with Amiga Inc having declared it an illegal product.
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MorphOS has a lot of native programs too and there are developers working on software for it. No it's not an official Amiga branded OS but it feels quite like an Amiga to me; I use the PowerUP version. Never tried OS4 and with all the legal trouble I don't feel like it too at the moment.
And the point that you can buy second hand hardware to run a new OS is quite frankly even crappier talk...
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A1260 wrote:
you can buy aos4.0 and buy used ppc cards on ebay and run it... so saying there is no hw to run aos4 on is just crap talk...
PPC cards are very expensive and about a decade old (meaning they may not have a lot of life left in them). To count rare, second-hand hardware as available hardware is just "crap talk."
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A1260 wrote:
i have tried morphos and to be honest it's just a marketing ploy to keep amiga users interested in genesis stuff. they are just in it to earn money and split the amiga community as i see it...
morphos can run aos3.1 software but thats all to it and nothing more of interest, the new aos it never will be.
a good alternative for aos3.1 will be aros, when its ready...
you can buy aos4.0 and buy used ppc cards on ebay and run it... so saying there is no hw to run aos4 on is just crap talk...
Huh? Umm, yeah.. ok.. :lol: Please stop trolling A1260. MorphOS is not owned by Genesi and the connection between Genesi and MorphOS is quite weak for some time now.
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@A1260
And I've been running OS4 and MorphOS for years and I'm tired of trolls like you who don't have a clue and probably aren't even OS4 users.
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After reading quite a bit about the Amiga's early development and what Jay, RJ and the guys were attempting to do by closely pairing software and custom hardware, IMO, no recent Amiga-ish development comes close to that level of hard/soft of integration. I think the newer Amiga-like OS's just "make do" with available chipsets and lack the attention to detail that made the classic systems so ingenuous.
Not to say that the newer systems dont have their own positive points, but I doubt they'll ever recapture that special something.
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I've been using OS4 since the developer's pre-release, and MOS for a little over a year. I'm rapidly beginning to like MOS a lot more.
I find it to be infinitely more stable and more compatible - 68K and WOS programs work great. I don't think I've tried any PUP stuff, though. I believe MUI to be a much better choice of GUI toolkit than Reaction since the level of control and customization over individual applications is far greater.
The label of MOS as an 'alternative' to AmigaOS is, frankly, misleading. As I've said it the past, if not for the name, you'd never know the difference. MOS basically _is_ the AmigaOS we've grown to love over the years. It has the same directory structure, runs the same programs, uses the same API, uses the same filesystems.
It's not an 'alternative' to AmigaOS, it's 'another' AmigaOS. If you've got a PPC card for your classic, give it a try. It's a little rough out-of-the-box, but stick with it and you'll probably come to like it.
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"It's not an 'alternative' to AmigaOS, it's 'another' AmigaOS"
That makes the Pegasos and Efika "Amiga hardware"
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AROS runs on intel...
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Until hardware is readily available there are no alternatives.
If only AROS had Sata support.
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sdyates wrote:
AROS runs on intel...
But AROS doesn't run Amiga software...
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pVC wrote:
sdyates wrote:
AROS runs on intel...
But AROS doesn't run Amiga software...
That is in the works.
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If only AROS had Sata support.
There are bounties for supporting nForce3/4 SATA (http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=64) and AHCI SATA (http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=65). Silicon Image 3114 controller driver is under way (http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=60).
Dammy
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But AROS doesn't run Amiga software...
Via EUAE it does. Intergrating (http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=7) EUAE into AROS is currently underway by EvilRich.
Dammy
TeamAROS (http://www.teamaros.org)
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You still need AmigaOS to actually run those apps, however. At least until AROS gets the kickstart rom replacement (which hasn't been assigned as far as I know?).
I have my doubts about the seamlessness of UAE integration, too. It is after all running completely different instance of a computer, so syncing it to the host can be a bit troublesome.
I think MorphOS way is better (and in a sense Amithlon provided that for x86 before already, tho Amithlon required copy of AOS, too). You can always run EUAE on MorphOS, too, if you must.
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I haven't heard anyone call it the New AmigaOS, that title is for OS4 only! However it is a nice Amiga-compatible OS.
I have seen it in action and it shaping up to be a really nice modern operating system, it is just a shame that the community is effectively split, since if Hyperion and Genesi worked together to make the ULTIMATE OS then we could have something really special (well one can dream)
Edit: Goddamit, IE REALLY DOES SUCK!!!!
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Genesi has nothing to do with MorphOS development.
Regardless, it is unlikely there ever will be any co-operation between the camps.
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pVC wrote:
sdyates wrote:
AROS runs on intel...
But AROS doesn't run Amiga software...
Like Linux compiled for the PPC doesn't run software compiled for Linux on the x86... I don't see a difference.
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@bloodline
Like Linux compiled for the PPC doesn't run software compiled for Linux on the x86... I don't see a difference.
But MorphOS PPC runs the m68k amiga software (transparently, without need for UAE or amigaos files). Wasn't that the point the original poster was trying to make?
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Piru wrote:
@bloodline
Like Linux compiled for the PPC doesn't run software compiled for Linux on the x86... I don't see a difference.
But MorphOS PPC runs the m68k amiga software (transparently, without need for UAE or amigaos files). Wasn't that the point the original poster was trying to make?
Indeed, I expect he was. I'm just a little fed up with this comment being repeated over an over again.
I guess I'm in the fortunate position that there is simply no software I would want/need to run on the Amiga platform that wouldn't also need the hardware... i.e. games and very old apps.
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bloodline wrote:
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I guess I'm in the fortunate position that there is simply no software I would want/need to run on the Amiga platform that wouldn't also need the hardware... i.e. games and very old apps.
You are not into demo's/intro's then?
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Krusher wrote:
bloodline wrote:
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I guess I'm in the fortunate position that there is simply no software I would want/need to run on the Amiga platform that wouldn't also need the hardware... i.e. games and very old apps.
You are not into demo's/intro's then?
Yes, those are covered in my requirements. I was simply stating that MOS, AOS4 and AROS are all equally as useful/Valid as NG AmigaOS clones... since they would all require UAE in order to run the software I want to run... thus AROS is the cheapest/easiest solution for me.
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Therefore I would require the original AmigaOS for all three. The big difference is that AROS can (and is slowly) be ported to the 68k and thus the need or the original AmigaOS can be negated in time.
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Right, well, I'll just have to wait for UAE integration. For me, Amiga is pre AmigaOS 3.9, and I love those silly demo's that go hardcore on the hardware. So for me it's a must that Aros is 100% compatible with ALL software out there.
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IBrowse, AmiNetRadio, MakeCD, AmiTradeCenter, AmTelnet, HBMonopoly, ReSource and bunch of old commandline tools. These are some of the m68k apps I still use. For some there are decent replacements already, but I still consider the actual Amiga apps better. For some there simply are no replacement.
Being forced to run those inside emulation would seriously suck (for me at least). Even with integration, how would the menus work? How about appwindows and appicons? How about accessing the filesystems (commandline tools)? How about MakeCD accessing the cd-rw drive for burning? How about inconsistent GUI look?
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bloodline wrote:
I was simply stating that MOS, AOS4 and AROS are all equally as useful/Valid as NG AmigaOS clones... since they would all require UAE in order to run the software I want to run... thus AROS is the cheapest/easiest solution for me.
A very valid point. *None* of the NG Amiga or Amiga-like OSs (OS4, MorphOS and AROS) can run custom-chip classic software natively, but all of them can do it with UAE. So the argument that any one of them is not really AmigaOS because it doesn't run Amiga software is invalid. Maybe less so for MorphOS since it can run system friendly 68k code, but the point remains that none of them are fully classic compatible.
Since they all have the same solution (UAE) the only reason to use one over the other (apart from technical differences, or available hardware) is IMO one of taste. Some people are die-hard Amiga fans and will only accept something branded "Amiga" (i.e. OS4) as Amiga OS, and I can understand that after all the waiting and hoping for a new Amiga OS. Other people are not so worried about that but want to stick to a more Amiga-like hardware platform (i.e. PPC). For those users MorphOS basically is AmigaOS in every way that matters. And for those who really want to move on and take AmigaOS to the next level, AROS is the answer. I think it's great that we have a diversity of solutions which have all grown out of the classic Amiga OS, and can satisfy a variety of tastes and needs from the users.
But remember that for all of them, there is currently only one solution for full classic compatibility: UAE. And I bet when AROS gets UAE integration, it will gain a LOT more popularity.
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
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But remember that for all of them, there is currently only one solution for full classic compatibility: UAE. And I bet when AROS gets UAE integration, it will gain a LOT more popularity.
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moto
Wake me up when that's finished, I'd be happy to dual boot that on x86 native. As of yet, Aros is pointless to me. And I've never used MOS so I can't comment on that.
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Krusher wrote:
Right, well, I'll just have to wait for UAE integration. For me, Amiga is pre AmigaOS 3.9, and I love those silly demo's that go hardcore on the hardware. So for me it's a must that Aros is 100% compatible with ALL software out there.
Which AROS can be since it will use UAE as it's default legacy support. But MOS and AOS4 running on non "Amiga Classic' will also require UAE to achieve the same, though UAE won't be integrated and WILL require AmigaOS (or a 68k version of AROS :-) ).
This is very slightly off topic... the point is that all three are equally valid.
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Krusher wrote:
motorollin wrote:
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But remember that for all of them, there is currently only one solution for full classic compatibility: UAE. And I bet when AROS gets UAE integration, it will gain a LOT more popularity.
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moto
Wake me up when that's finished, I'd be happy to dual boot that on x86 native. As of yet, Aros is pointless to me. And I've never used MOS so I can't comment on that.
Most things are useless until they are finished... But fortunately, most people identify their requirements and then invest (time or money) into a project so that it can meet their needs.
Think of it like the Airbus A380 project... 10 years ago, airlines didn't sit around {bleep}ing that the aircraft was useless because it hadn't flown... they committed to orders with the understanding that Airbus would eventually get the thing flying...
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@bloodline
the point is that all three are equally valid.
They are equally valid assuming you are not interested in running OS friendly apps at all.
If you are, AROS is (currently) falling behind. AROS is boldly talking about "in progress" components as if they already were finished. Integration might make it less sucky, but it remains to be seen how integrated it ends up to be. Also, the amigaos requirement isn't going away that easily (the KS replacement is quite large task, just all the compatibility testing and hacking will be total nightmare).
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Krusher wrote:
motorollin wrote:
But remember that for all of them, there is currently only one solution for full classic compatibility: UAE. And I bet when AROS gets UAE integration, it will gain a LOT more popularity.
Wake me up when that's finished, I'd be happy to dual boot that on x86 native. As of yet, Aros is pointless to me. And I've never used MOS so I can't comment on that.
I somewhat agree. For me Amiga is all about classic. So until AROS has full classic support, it is of limited interest to me personally, though I can see that an open-source AmigaOS clone is an important development for the community. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that AROS has not yet come close to its potential. I really look forward to seeing where it goes next, and hopefully one day to using it regularly.
Unfortunately I came to the same conclusions about MorphOS, which I used for a while when I owned a PegII. When I sat down and thought about it I realised that everything I was doing under MorphOS could be done on my A4000 under OS3.9, and eventually the PegII fell in to disuse and was sold.
Again, remember that this is just my opinion of these alternatives from the perspective of a classic enthusiast, not a comment on the general usefulness of the solutions in question.
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@motorollin
Good point there. For someone who is only interested in running the classic amiga apps and playing games, WinUAE (or real amiga HW if emulation is not your thing) is clearly the best solution.
MorphOS obviously isn't solution to everyone's needs, and it doesn't try to be.
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And for those who really want to move on and take AmigaOS to the next level, AROS is the answer.
Erm, for those who want to take amigaos to the previous previous previous level you mean. AROS needs to have some 68k emulation (but not in that "UAE integration" way), but above all it needs to really *work* first and be a lot more polished that it is now. At the moment it really feels unfinished in most places (prefs, desktop, drivers...) and less functional than 3.1.
But remember that for all of them, there is currently only one solution for full classic compatibility: UAE. And I bet when AROS gets UAE integration, it will gain a LOT more popularity.
I'm impatient to see how it will be implemented. Some simple integration (which already exists on mos for instance, where you can just doubleclick on a 68k app or adf/hdf image through a special ambient contextmenu entry) is acceptable for games/demos/fullscreen apps, but for system applications (ibrowse, anr, ftp clients, ...) it would just suck very badly, since it doesn't provide full interaction and coherence with the host system.
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Piru wrote:
@bloodline
the point is that all three are equally valid.
They are equally valid assuming you are not interested in running OS friendly apps at all.
If you are, AROS is (currently) falling behind. AROS is boldly talking about "in progress" components as if they already were finished. Integration might make it less sucky, but it remains to be seen how integrated it ends up to be. Also, the amigaos requirement isn't going away that easily (the KS replacement is quite large task, just all the compatibility testing and hacking will be total nightmare).
Of course you are correct, but as I stated earlier... my Classic Amiga requirements are very heavily reliant upon the old amiga hardware.
As I was involved in the discussions regarding the requirements for UAE integration, it will meet my needs :-)
You are also correct about the scale of the KS task, and frankly that makes is so much more exciting... far more than finding a solution for running ibrowse without the need for my A1200 or UAE* :-)
*apologies for the facetiousness of this sentence.
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Which AROS can be since it will use UAE as it's default legacy support. But MOS and AOS4 running on non "Amiga Classic' will also require UAE to achieve the same, though UAE won't be integrated and WILL require AmigaOS (or a 68k version of AROS ).
Would be cool to send DOS packets from 68k application to x86 native filesystem via PutMsg() interface. I just hope user is not attempting to run old Amiga demo that takes control over system because when x86 filesystem responds to my DOS packet there is nobody left.
Oops.
How this is going to work, in real?
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itix wrote:
Which AROS can be since it will use UAE as it's default legacy support. But MOS and AOS4 running on non "Amiga Classic' will also require UAE to achieve the same, though UAE won't be integrated and WILL require AmigaOS (or a 68k version of AROS ).
Would be cool to send DOS packets from 68k application to x86 native filesystem via PutMsg() interface. I just hope user is not attempting to run old Amiga demo that takes control over system because when x86 filesystem responds to my DOS packet there is nobody left.
Oops.
How this is going to work, in real?
I'm not sure I understand the example...
A 68k OS legal app make a filesystem request... and then mid way through the operation the user decides to run a Hardware hitting Demo (which would probaby needa reboot?)... am I right? I don't understand.
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IMHO I have allways considered that the true Amiga spirit was in the combination of OS and hardware. I grinned as pc owners failed to get software working on generic boxes, knowing full well that my latest software would work without a hitch because it was made for my exact chipset. I laughed as I plugged in new hardware and it worked first time instead of shouting out IRQ conflicts.
The Amiga was console and computer, toy and tool in one.
To me now, SAM is the most exciting hardware in some ways, but it's not even got an Amiga-ish OS yet.
I don't see how anyone can moan about so called "alternative" Amiga OS's however, I see it like this: If MorphOS and AROS have advantages over OS4 then that only helps apply pressure to improve OS4, so it helps us all.
Oh, In case anyone missed it, our "official" OS should be OS5 should it not? Shame that there is no version for Amiga hardware, lol. Space invaders anyone?
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@bloodline
I'm not sure I understand the example...
I tend to complicate my thoughts. Lets simplify ideas and check step one:
Will x86 native applications and 68k native applications share the same address space?
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itix wrote:
@bloodline
I'm not sure I understand the example...
I tend to complicate my thoughts. Lets simplify ideas and check step one:
Will x86 native applications and 68k native applications share the same address space?
No. They will be separate.
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bloodline wrote:
Like Linux compiled for the PPC doesn't run software compiled for Linux on the x86... I don't see a difference.
I see a HUGE difference. Linux software is usually open source and you can compile them to whatever you like, but Amiga software is mostly closed and in most cases the sources have been already lost during the years. So there's no way to get them compiled on other platform.
And as native programs, there simply isn't enough on new generation OS'es. Not on AROS, not on MOS, not on OS4. You have to fall back on original Amiga programs a lot.
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@bloodline
No. They will be separate.
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Good :-)
Now, when you are going to run hardware banging demos, where you need UAE integration? With little scripting you could run Amiga demos from Wanderer now. Isnt it more reasonable than wait for EUAE integration? :-)
Especially since they might need special options like no fast ram, 68000 CPU, Kickstart 1.3 and so on.
When it comes to OS friendly applications (OS friendly application can still bang HW) can you truly integrate 68k applications to the hosting operating system (little endian AROS on x86) ? To me integration means that I can run IBrowse 2.4 in AROS like it was x86 native application.
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When it comes to OS friendly applications (OS friendly application can still bang HW) can you truly integrate 68k applications to the hosting operating system (little endian AROS on x86) ? To me integration means that I can run IBrowse 2.4 in AROS like it was x86 native application.
I'd say that would be pretty close to my own personal definition of integration. We shall see what EvilRich can do with the initial phase and if it falls short, we can always start an improvement bounty. Of course the traveller (http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=49) should be finished prior to EvilRich's deadline.
Dammy
TeamAROS (http://www.teamaros.org)
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Piru wrote:
You can always run EUAE on MorphOS, too, if you must.
Realize the purpose of the amount of dollars assigned to the *integrated* EUAE is not to declare EUAE as existing. :-)
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Unfortunately I came to the same conclusions about MorphOS, which I used for a while when I owned a PegII. When I sat down and thought about it I realised that everything I was doing under MorphOS could be done on my A4000 under OS3.9, and eventually the PegII fell in to disuse and was sold.
Only thing that it's massively faster :) I'm running classic Amiga and Peg1 daily and with some programs, the speed on Peg1 is very welcome. I'm also watching lots of movies on Peg and couldn't do it on classic.
For me, the MorphOS is a possibility to continue being true Amiga user without need to get Windows, Mac or any other completely different platform for tasks needing the raw processing power.
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pVC wrote:
And as native programs, there simply isn't enough on new generation OS'es. Not on AROS, not on MOS, not on OS4. You have to fall back on original Amiga programs a lot.
Which is why both OS4 and MOS can run original Amiga programs. As much as it's preferable to use native apps, old apps such as ImageFX work just fine.
Hans
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Krusher wrote:
Right, well, I'll just have to wait for UAE integration. For me, Amiga is pre AmigaOS 3.9, and I love those silly demo's that go hardcore on the hardware. So for me it's a must that Aros is 100% compatible with ALL software out there.
I doubt it will be (near) 100% compatible, initially.
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Einstein wrote:
Krusher wrote:
Right, well, I'll just have to wait for UAE integration. For me, Amiga is pre AmigaOS 3.9, and I love those silly demo's that go hardcore on the hardware. So for me it's a must that Aros is 100% compatible with ALL software out there.
I doubt it will be (near) 100% compatible, initially.
That is a bit of a silly statement to make.
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itix wrote:
Would be cool to send DOS packets from 68k application to x86 native filesystem via PutMsg() interface. I just hope user is not attempting to run old Amiga demo that takes control over system because when x86 filesystem responds to my DOS packet there is nobody left.
Oops.
How this is going to work, in real?
New instance ?
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tonyyeb wrote:
Einstein wrote:
Krusher wrote:
Right, well, I'll just have to wait for UAE integration. For me, Amiga is pre AmigaOS 3.9, and I love those silly demo's that go hardcore on the hardware. So for me it's a must that Aros is 100% compatible with ALL software out there.
I doubt it will be (near) 100% compatible, initially.
That is a bit of a silly statement to make.
hmm ? how so ?
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Einstein wrote:
tonyyeb wrote:
Einstein wrote:
Krusher wrote:
Right, well, I'll just have to wait for UAE integration. For me, Amiga is pre AmigaOS 3.9, and I love those silly demo's that go hardcore on the hardware. So for me it's a must that Aros is 100% compatible with ALL software out there.
I doubt it will be (near) 100% compatible, initially.
That is a bit of a silly statement to make.
hmm ? how so ?
Because it is starting from UAE?
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persia wrote:
Einstein wrote:
tonyyeb wrote:
Einstein wrote:
Krusher wrote:
Right, well, I'll just have to wait for UAE integration. For me, Amiga is pre AmigaOS 3.9, and I love those silly demo's that go hardcore on the hardware. So for me it's a must that Aros is 100% compatible with ALL software out there.
I doubt it will be (near) 100% compatible, initially.
That is a bit of a silly statement to make.
hmm ? how so ?
Because it is starting from UAE?
The point of the integrated (E)UAE is to run 68k AmigaOS apps in some integrated manner, to do this it must convert/translate certain resource requests and direct read/write to structures of these resources, back and forth.
Therefore I doubt it will be 100% campatible, not because it's impossible, but because knowledge of huge amount OS structure internals, and because many apps hit the OS structures directly (even if there are OS functions to do some, but far from all, of this). But like I wrote: initially. (it can offcourse be improved later)
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MorphOS is a perfectly valid alternative to AmigaOS 4, as both of them mainly run on Classic PPC hardware. However I have to admit there's a serious difference between the two systems: one is free and the other is not.
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So will MorphOS be free for Efika?
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Everblue wrote:
So will MorphOS be free for Efika?
From what I gather following threads at MZ, no, nor will 2.0 for Pegasos.
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Thought so - so let's stop calling MorphOS 'free', shall we :-D
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MorphOS 1.4.5 is free.