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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: melott on July 23, 2003, 08:04:28 PM

Title: SCSI drives
Post by: melott on July 23, 2003, 08:04:28 PM
A little harddrive problem......
I had a drive die on me recently (a Quantum 1.4 gig)
I bought a replacement from a company that warantied
 their used drives. The new (used) drive
was also a Quantum, but it also died shortly after.
So I picked up a Conner drive on EBay and all is
working fine.
Back to the origonal problem. The company replaced
dead Quantum .. with my aprovel (mistakenly) with
an IBM 4.5 gig scsi drive.(model 2XP DCHS-34550)
I am sure this drive is OK, but I can't get my A3k to
reconize it. I have also 2 other drives that are too
small for me to use but work fine when hooked up.
So the problem is how to configure this IBM drive.
It is a SCSI and so should work.
Anyone know anything about these IBM drives???
     (Model 2XP DCHS-34550  4.55 gig)

Mel Ott
 :-?  :-?
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: seer on July 23, 2003, 08:13:53 PM
Maybe these can help a little ?

Search (http://www.hgst.com/search/?q=2XP+DCHS-34550+&site=public&client=public&proxystylesheet=public&output=xml_no_dtd&btnG.x=14&btnG.y=6)

Ultrastar 2XP (SCSI) Quick Installation  (http://ssddom01.hgst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/85256AB8006A31E587256A7700797484)

Haven't read them yet, but it's a start.. ;-)
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: melott on July 23, 2003, 10:06:30 PM
Hay.....thanks

This looks like a good place to start.
Atleast it explains the jumpers (I think).
Going to read it now.

Mel Ott
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: iamaboringperson on July 23, 2003, 10:27:29 PM
wwwoooooowww there!!
get rid of that ibm drive and trade it in for another brand...
i once bought an ibm scsi drive and my A 4000 T didnt recognise it either... i did a google on its model number, and in one of the top 10 pages, was a forum in which an amiga user had the exact same brand of drive and he was running bsd... amigaos wont pick it up bsd... wont pick it up...
basically ibm scsi HDD's dont work with the amiga.... and i dont think its a software problem
it seems to me to be somthing that is unfixable :(

i still have that drive haning around doing nothing...
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: amigamad on July 24, 2003, 12:24:26 AM
I have a quantum scsi 1gig hard drive along with the a4091 scsi hard drtive the drive is made in usa but it gets so hot im going to use it to cook my next meal heat has to be bad for it . :-D
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: iamaboringperson on July 24, 2003, 12:26:48 AM
Seagate SCSI drives have always worked the best for me

i currently use a hawk... its dead silent !
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: melott on July 24, 2003, 03:12:50 AM
Hmmm...... I knew I made a mistake in letting
them pawn that IBM drive off on me :-(

I guess I'll have to just eat it.

BTW... does anyone know what they mean
by a 'Raid' drive?? This Conner I have is a 'Raid'.
I have no idea what that means.

Mel Ott
 :-?  :-?
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: iamaboringperson on July 24, 2003, 03:29:19 AM
@melott
heheh! *g*

Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks

its not actually a type of drive, but 2 or more drives connected to gether in such a way that they are treated as one

either to give it redundancy(for better data integrity), more speed, or simply more capacity

there are different levels of raid:

Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: MrZammler on July 24, 2003, 09:04:45 AM
I got a Quantum 4.3G scsi disk for my A3k, which at first could not be recognized by my miggy.

A low level format later, on my PC's scsi controller (using it's on bios tool), solved the problem.
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: iamaboringperson on July 24, 2003, 09:33:41 PM
yep, thats great MrZammler, but it wont work with an ibm drive - FU electronics IMO
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: Matt_H on July 26, 2003, 01:55:26 AM
Possible solution for you.

I'm currently using an 18Gb UltraStarXP  on my 1200 through 1230scsi.device. Works beautifully. I don't know what type of connection your drive uses, but there's an 80Pin->50Pin adaptor on mine that also overrides the drive's built-in jumpers and power connections, bringing the drive down to a much more Amiga-friendly configuration.

Maybe you could experiment with adaptors or a different SCSI controller?
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: melott on July 26, 2003, 04:48:46 AM
Uhhh......actually the problem seems to be that
this drive was formated with a 'NON-Amiga' format.
I don't know if its messy dos or apple but my A3k
tries to read the format and hangs there.
I found a proggy on Aminet that might low-level
format it if I can figure out the command.
I'll let you know what happens......

Mel Ott
 :-(  :-(
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: iamaboringperson on July 26, 2003, 04:57:03 AM
melott,
im sorry to have to say this to you, however:

if your drive wont show up in HDToolBox, you will have a hard time trying to format it! you cant tell the computer to format what it cant find ;-)
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: QuikSanz on July 26, 2003, 05:28:35 AM
Quik Questions,
What AOS version? What SCSI card? You may have something else that needs to be set.

Chris
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: melott on July 26, 2003, 03:37:54 PM
Yes...... I'm running OS 3.1.
HarddriveTools can see the drive, but hangs-up
when tring to get the info from the drive.
I downloaded a couple progies from Aminet,
one called 'SCSIProbe' and the other called
'SCSIFormat'. SCSIProbe scans the disk and lists
the info on it. SCSIFormat is supposed to format it.
I would say the drive is okay, I just have to low-level
format it so my A3k can use it. The problem now is
(I think) that the author of SCSIFormat didn't put any
examples of the command to use this progie.
(It was probably ment for people smarter than me ;-)
Anyway .. thats where I'm at now.
Anyone ever used 'ScsiFormat' from Aminet ???

Mel Ott
 :-?  :-?
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: Snuden on July 26, 2003, 04:13:02 PM
Hi!

First off which controller, onboard?

Make sure that your scsi chain is correctly terminated, and that the jumpers are correctly set on all your scsi units.

You don't need to lowlevel-format the drive. Just create the partitions you need, format them and you're set to go.

Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: QuikSanz on July 26, 2003, 05:20:35 PM
You may be pushing the limit on hd size for that OS ver. I had a simaler problem when I switched from 1Gb quantem to 18Gb seagate. What HD Tools saw and what was there was not the same. there still maybe something with the scsi card that may allow you to partition it. Once thats done your ok.

Chris
Title: Re: SCSI drives
Post by: destro on July 26, 2003, 05:35:20 PM
Hello There.  Here's Something to Consider. My Name is:

John Paul Bacon. I have a Barracuda 4.3 G SCSI
I would be willing to trade you for the IBM 4.3 G,
Only cost to each of us the Shipping of the drives to
each other. My Phone # is: 253-941-9229 Feel free
to call me first.  

I am sure that the IBM 4.3 G SCSI would work Perfectly
In my SGI Indy.

I am very good at making Seeminlg incompatible
ware work together.

I might even try the IBM In my Amiga 4000.

If you would like to email me use the following:

blakbyrd@earthlink.net

Hope to hear from you soon.