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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: daveash18 on January 15, 2008, 02:43:05 PM

Title: trapdoor expansion
Post by: daveash18 on January 15, 2008, 02:43:05 PM
hi ive just opened up my a1200 for the first time, the card in the trapdoor slot is an mc68030fe16b, is this the basic card that comes as standard with the a1200 or an accelerated version, also some of my games are all fuzzy on screen when i try to play them, is this a hardware problem, thanks all, dave
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: Krusher on January 15, 2008, 02:44:44 PM
The card is not a standard item from Commodore, it's a user addon.

Not shure what you mean by fuzzy on screen?
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: daveash18 on January 15, 2008, 02:49:31 PM
the games load up when i click on them, but you cant make out anything when the title screen comes up and therefore cant do anything, is that user addon any good or does it need upgrading. thanks, dave
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: meega on January 15, 2008, 03:04:53 PM
Open a Shell, type "ShowConfig" and tell us what it says...

Alternatively, look in Tools and double-click on the ShowConfig icon.
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: daveash18 on January 15, 2008, 03:14:12 PM
PROCESSOR: CPU 68030/68030mmu
CUSTOM CHIPS: AA PAL Alice, AA Lisa
VERS: Kickstart version 40.68
RAM: Node type $A, Attributes $5 (FAST), at $1000000-$2FFFFFF (32.0 meg)

BOARDS: Board and ROM (HD?) (unidentified)

I am a complete novice at this sort of stuff at the moment and i dont know what most of this data means, thanks, dave
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: alexh on January 15, 2008, 03:17:39 PM
What screen are you using? A regular TV?
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: daveash18 on January 15, 2008, 03:18:06 PM
yes, is this the problem
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: alexh on January 15, 2008, 03:21:40 PM
No. Regular TV should be fine.

Where are you loading them from? Hard disk? Floppy disk?

What games are they?
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: daveash18 on January 15, 2008, 03:24:02 PM
the game is monkey island2, i originally loaded it from floppy and the same thing happened. at the moment it is installed on the hard drive and booting from there
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: tokyoracer on January 15, 2008, 03:25:59 PM
Are you really new to this? Have you tried using the boot-up settings?
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: alexh on January 15, 2008, 03:29:56 PM
I think that game is neither 030 nor AGA (A1200) compatible out of the box.

You can either:

Hold down both mouse buttons when you reboot your Amiga to enter the early startup menu. There you can switch off CPU caches and switch the chipset to ECS.

You could install WHDload, a program which patches many games to make them compatible.

http://www.whdload.de/games/MonkeyIsland2.html
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: daveash18 on January 15, 2008, 03:30:07 PM
i am very new to this, i had an amiga as a child but obviously didnt have the actual system on my mind at that point, how would  i change the boot up settings
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: alexh on January 15, 2008, 03:31:43 PM
Hold down both mouse buttons during a reset.
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: tokyoracer on January 15, 2008, 03:59:05 PM
Damn you Alex, I was going to suggest that. :lol:

Follow the path here after the mouse button trick...

Click on Boot Options, Disable CPU Caches, Use, Display Options, Chip type 'Original', Use and Boot. Try and run the application again.
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: daveash18 on January 15, 2008, 06:32:02 PM
thanks guys the game is now up and running but......

Next problem, the screen view is higher than the screen if you know what i mean, i.e. i cant see the top part of the game, how would i fix this, i am pretty sure it is not my screen as the workbench start up screen and other games are fine, thanks and sorry for asking what must seem silly questions to you, dave
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: alexh on January 15, 2008, 06:42:36 PM
Try pressing space when you go to the early startup menu. This should switch between 50Hz and 60Hz. Although it is not intended for this, it can have the effect of making the image on a TV larger and smaller.

This is assuming your TV can cope with both.

It might work, but the game may reset it back to normal.

Suck it and see.
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: daveash18 on January 15, 2008, 06:49:03 PM
sorry mate no luck with that one, thanks anyway bud, dave
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: Caius on January 15, 2008, 06:58:14 PM
As alexh implied this sounds like a NTSC vs PAL problem.
You're trying to run the PAL version of the game on an
NTSC television, right? PAL has more vertical lines, and
if your TV can't display PAL the bottom 56 lines, or so,
will be clipped off.
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: orange on January 15, 2008, 06:59:49 PM
connect it with RGB SCART cable, it will correct position and give you much better quality.
Some games use devs:system-configuration (very rarely though) , so you could try playing with Prefs in workbench..
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: daveash18 on January 15, 2008, 07:01:14 PM
this sounds like the problem although it is the top lines that are missed off, what can i do to fix it
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: countzero on January 15, 2008, 07:23:05 PM
you can't fix it. you either have to :
1- find a NTSC version of the game
2- find a PAL capable TV/monitor.
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: SamuraiCrow on January 15, 2008, 07:34:31 PM
Quote

orange wrote:
connect it with RGB SCART cable, it will correct position and give you much better quality.
Some games use devs:system-configuration (very rarely though) , so you could try playing with Prefs in workbench..


SCART connectors aren't an option on an NTSC system.  Since he has MORE graphics than is visible, that means he's on an NTSC system.
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: SamuraiCrow on January 15, 2008, 07:38:14 PM
Quote

countzero wrote:
you can't fix it. you either have to :
1- find a NTSC version of the game
2- find a PAL capable TV/monitor.


I'd recommend the second option since most software for the Amiga runs in PAL mode.  I'm in the same situation as you though, my 1084S monitor died years ago.
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: meega on January 16, 2008, 01:17:11 AM
Has anybody asked whether his television or display mode is NTSC?

He has a PAL Alice chip (see 5th post in this thread)...

He is in the UK... (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=33748)
Title: Re: trapdoor expansion
Post by: SamuraiCrow on January 16, 2008, 02:55:48 AM
Sorry, I hadn't seen that second thread.  I just figured that if he was displaying an NTSC image on a PAL TV it would have a thick border at the bottom.