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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: ozkano on January 12, 2008, 09:51:12 PM
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couple of hours ago I finally got boot screen of os4 on my mac mini, the point is now, how will I install os4 to mac, what ever I did, I could not eject boot cd from my device, I have regular windows usb keyboard and a1 os4 final
mac min 1.25 ghz 1 gig ram 40 gb HD
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Proof? How? Etc. ;)
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If someone manages to crack OS4 and get it running and functional on a Mac Mini, imagine how the price will shoot up as all of us try to buy them. Wow!
I wonder what the road block is.
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http://www.commodore.gen.tr/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1666.0;attach=387
http://www.commodore.gen.tr/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1666.0;attach=388
two pictures I took
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Do you have to login to look at the pics? I would like to see them. Can you tell us the steps you used to get to the Kickstart screen? I am also working on it in spare time.
[EDIT] Nevermind, the site is in Turkish.
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please pull the photos down so we can see!
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I wish I could, my Turkish language skills are >NIL: :-)
Jeff
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FAKE!!! :-x
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I know ozkano from our local forum. There's no reason he'ld fake something like this. Also, macmini port was confirmed to be project Moana by some Acube developers, so it is REAL. However, legality of the issue is disputed. Also, it's not obivous yet as if it's possible to actually run OS4 on the macmini, there's no information to if it's possible to install it on the device.
http://www.commodore.gen.tr/forum/index.php?topic=1666.0
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i cant read anything on that forum, looks like they all ate some magic mushrooms and have gone wild on the keyboards... :lol:
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when you start mac mini, press power buton and hold it up to command prompt appears on screen, you will here a regular booting sound and another sound
in command line write these to lines
setenv boota-device cd:
boot cd:\\slb
and it starts loding that's it
(http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/7789/dscn1739rb9.th.jpg)
http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn1740bw3.jpg[IMG]
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That link takes me to a photo of a Mac Mini.
What happens after that? Does it try to boot into the OS installer?
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Slightly off topic but a quick query? Has anyone tried this code on an IBook, I read that said code was found on a laptop that had fallen off the back of a truck and it occurred to me that it may have been on a mac laptop. Has anyone tried it on one? Just a thought.
All is not what it seems, think ouside the square.
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It seems to boot the amiga kernel, but the kernel isn't able to find the root on the CD.
What happend connecting an USB floppy reader and a boot disk?
I suppose that the floppy must be in High Density (my usb floppy reader for example don't read lowdensity format)
How did you find "slb"? is a file on the OS4 cdrom? Does someone else files is present?
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Cool stuff.
I'm about to punt my iBook but if someone manages to get os4 running on one, that would be a great excuse to keep it.
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Is it possible to run it on pearpc or qemu?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34vtuSFw97Q
boot screen
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Wow...very convincing video! I have a G4 laptop standing buy if someone can get this working on Mac hardware!
Bob
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@ozkano
1,25ghz macmini? what version of firmware? This loader seems only work with 1,5ghz 64mb radeon, confirm your hardware please.
Cant open cd-rom with eject key in number keypad?
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Hi please could you confirm the Spec of the Mini:-)
Also could I sugest maybe trying an ISO editer adding the rest of the A1-OS4 files to the Monna ISO?
EDIT:Or if you have an A1 take the HD-OS4 out of the A1 and put it in the Mac?
Can this Kernal screen be reached on A1
How long ago was it now that it was confirmed and we all watched that ISO was not Fake ;-)
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I'd love to give this a try myself. Anyone have the patches online? PM me the URL if you do :-)
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oulala, nice project.
I would like to tryit to. I have a Macmini at office.
Maybe somebody have a link please?
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Wow... Someone should try this on a Playstation 3 with the boot other OS function. Hey. you never know.
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I could try this on my G3, or does OS4 need a G4?
My iBook G3 has a normal CD drive which I can eject manually without the need of the button :)
Problem is, I dont have this and wont buy it just to try :
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Great work ozkano.
It's a shame the Catweasel doesn't work with PPC MacMinis (AFAIK), as it would be a useful device to get the rest of OS4 booting.
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FWIW he typed in one of the messages there,
"mac mini 1.25 mhz 1 gb ram 40 gb hd" as a response, so he would appear to have the junior mini.
I've got one of the 1.5GHz PPC models just WAITING for AmigaOS. I'd even buy a copy for it, after swearing that I would never support anyone who didn't have both the hardware and software available from the same place under a single warranty.... :-D :-D Dang, maybe now I'll have to actually start paying attention to how lame the Amiga browsers are again to see if it would make a reasonable machine to surf with... :-?
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Mac Minis are intel chipsets right? Does the Amiga OS 4 run on intel chipset, I thought it was for Motorola and PPC? That would be awesome if t did work though, could get rid of my bloody awful mac os x :pissed:
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Crom00 wrote:
Wow... Someone should try this on a Playstation 3 with the boot other OS function. Hey. you never know.
I doubt that would work. The PS3 needs a special bootloader copied to the hard drive first... besides, it's using an nvidia gfx chip which isn't supported on Amiga...
However I must say this video is amazing. I had no idea the mac was using a hardware that was so similar to the A1 that OS4 could run unmodified... That's just crazy!! :-o
I'd buy one immediately if it could run OS4... wow...
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ami_junki wrote:
Mac Minis are intel chipsets right? Does the Amiga OS 4 run on intel chipset, I thought it was for Motorola and PPC? That would be awesome if t did work though, could get rid of my bloody awful mac os x :pissed:
The original Mac Minis were PPC.
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FWIW he typed in one of the messages there,
"mac mini 1.25 mhz 1 gb ram 40 gb hd" as a response, so he would appear to have the junior mini.
Yes, mac mini g4 1,25ghz this is the model but we dont know the openfirmware version and this is the question, i doubt that mac mini 1,25ghz comes with the same version of openfirmware that mac mini 1,5ghz, but like allways this advances come with no info :(
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@ozkano
Can you do a soft reset and get to the early startup menu. If you can try booting without startup sequence and see if you can get a shell window.
If you do get as far a shell window try typing the following;
unlock_eject macminiide.device 1 (assuming that unit 1 is the CD-ROM)
I think to stand any chance if booting into workbench you are going to have to make a new ISO with the Moana files and the files from the version of OS4 classic that you bought.
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webmany wrote:
ami_junki wrote:
Mac Minis are intel chipsets right? Does the Amiga OS 4 run on intel chipset, I thought it was for Motorola and PPC? That would be awesome if t did work though, could get rid of my bloody awful mac os x :pissed:
The original Mac Minis were PPC.
ahh that makes more sense then, didn`t realise they had a PPC mac mini too ... hmm might be worth investing in one of those, do they have an audio in port?
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I am new at my mac mini,
first of all how can I learn mini's firmware
I still could not eject cd from mini, and still have not installed os 4
I tried few things, like injecting a1 os 4 files in to this booting iso but, it gives error like "file is too small"
I also have a1 se edition and installed os4, the next thing I wanto to remove a1's hard drive to installed to mac mini, ufortinetly I cant remove mini's cover it has no screew
Also I tried soft reset and try to reache early startup, I could not find reset combination on keyboard
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first of all how can I learn mini's firmware
Amigaz - Amigaworld.net
You check it it MacOS, open system profiler.....it's also in "About this Mac"
It should also be at the top of the Open FirmWare Screen
Maybe youve got the silent upgraded 1.33GHZ Mini?
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Hi guys, Im a bit of a mac geek,
To get the Mac mini open look here: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/Mac-Mini/82 you need a spatular/wall scraper to open a Mac Mini
To force your mac to eject a disc, hold down the mouse at start up
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75459 Look here for start up keyboard shortcuts. There is no restart combination while the machine has booted.
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@ozkano
Did you try using a PC keyboard and mouse in order to do a reboot and reach the early startup.
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_ThEcRoW wrote:
Is it possible to run it on pearpc or qemu?
AFAIK, it wouldn't be possible to run it through PearPC as it doesn't emulate OpenFirmware. However, there is a decent chance of getting it working on QEmu using this as a component:
http://perso.magic.fr/l_indien/OpenHackWare/
I wish I had the knowledge (or the time to acquire the knowledge) on how to build a suitable VM for OS4, it would solve so many problems.
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Yeah, seems like qemu is the only one who has some implementation of openfirmware.
Anyone can check it out?
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i tried the iso on my powerbook g4 1.5ghz yesterday and it almost works except when i goes to load the kickstart screen it crashes and i get a kernel panic.
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I have one of these:
(http://www.redsplash.de/blog/uploads/ibookg4_800.jpg)
Where do I get the iso file to try this kernel loading thing?
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What difference would a PC keyboard make? I've used Mac keyboards on PCs and PC keyboards on Mac and as far as can tell except for the missing right command key on a Windows keyboard they are identical...
Rob wrote:
@ozkano
Did you try using a PC keyboard and mouse in order to do a reboot and reach the early startup.
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Where can I download the bootloader thing?
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its on the piratebay
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sbeehre wrote:
its on the piratebay
There are many copyright violations there, do not, under any circumstances, go there and look for AmigaOS 4.
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with a name like thepiratebay i just cant believe that there would be copyrighted stuff on there....
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A more reasonable question would be, "How can I make my own bootable media?" The simple answer is you can't do it legally. The Open Firmware "second level bootloader," like the one written for U-Boot, is copyrighted, or at least not open source. (As an aside, I'm surprised. I've read that slb makes use of GPL code, but I don't know for sure.)
The good news is that if someone can reverse engineer the process and publish an open method for booting OS4 on Mac hardware, you're good to go in the US, as hardware for OS4 is no longer reasonably available. (Hey, the DMCA exemptions are good for at least some things.) You must, of course, own a copy of OS4. Now that the classic version is available, that shouldn't be an issue.
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That's why I posted the warning, lest people think it's some sort of Caribbean auction site...
:roflmao:
sbeehre wrote:
with a name like thepiratebay i just cant believe that there would be copyrighted stuff on there....
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Trev wrote:
A more reasonable question would be, "How can I make my own bootable media?" The simple answer is you can't do it legally. The Open Firmware "second level bootloader," like the one written for U-Boot, is copyrighted, or at least not open source. (As an aside, I'm surprised. I've read that slb makes use of GPL code, but I don't know for sure.)
While the OF for U-Boot might be copyrighted, OF itself is an open standard, with GPL implimentations available. U-boot itself is GPL'd as well. This arguement is moot as a result.
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Is there any way of creating a CD on OSX or Linux that would be bootable on OS4?
Or if there would be an ISO file of OS4. How could I insert some files into that ISO file? Any chance?
Just some thoughts...
Martin
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ackerman76 wrote:
Is there any way of creating a CD on OSX or Linux that would be bootable on OS4?
Or if there would be an ISO file of OS4. How could I insert some files into that ISO file? Any chance?
Just some thoughts...
Martin
Does that make any sense?
Easier surely, would be to run AROS-Linux hosted on Linux on a PPC Mac...
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bloodline wrote:
Easier surely, would be to run AROS-Linux hosted on Linux on a PPC Mac...
That depends on what you're trying to achieve. If you're trying to run OS4 on a Mac Mini, running AROS won't help one bit.
Hans
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@downix
While the OF for U-Boot might be copyrighted, OF itself is an open standard, with GPL implimentations available. U-boot itself is GPL'd as well. This arguement is moot as a result.
Open Firmware and U-Boot are two separate pieces of software that serve the same purpose. The OS4 ELF bootloaders (both named slb) are different, and unless they were written with GPL code, they're not bound by the GPL itself.
Regardless, there's nothing stopping someone from writing an open (or closed) replacement bootloader for OS4 on the Mac Mini, PearPC, QuickTransit/Dynamite, or any other platform. The lack of available PowerPC "Amiga" hardware is a boon in that sense.
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I don't think anyone will reverse engineer this thing. The people who are smart enough to do it don't care.
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Writing the bootloader isn't the complicated part. The real effort is in writing device drivers to support the hardware on various platforms. There's a fairly dedicated OS4 crowd, though, so having an Open Firmware bootloader available may spur development.
Most likely, we'd see the same thing we saw with Amiga PCI busboards. At least with Macs, what you get per model is nearly universal--no worries about people writing drivers for hardware that's only generally available on second Saturdays at a rural Polish flea market.
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Ok.. downloaded and tried but no cigar. Check pictures:
(http://www.sk8board.it/tmp/macmini1.jpg)
(http://www.sk8board.it/tmp/macmini2.jpg)
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You have to:
setenv boota-device cd:
boot cd:\\slb
Without setenv it won't function here neither.
Martin
BTW: Got OS4-Installer-CD running...
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ok now I get the booting options, I tried some but it hangs at "Installed mem: 128 Megabega", then if I press space or return it starts a whole bunch of loading modules or something but I never get the kickstart screen.
(http://www.sk8board.it/tmp/macmini3.jpg)
and this is what appears instead of the kickstart screen for some of those configs
(http://www.sk8board.it/tmp/macmini4.jpg)
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Great to see some progress on booting a Mac other than the MacMini. I wonder which group of developers will succeed at getting their OS to run on a Mac, the OS4 group, or the MorphOS group? I hope both succeed soon. It is a shame that they don't work together or at least share information, instead of competing against each other.
It may be time to get my G4 PowerBook fixed soon.
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If I understand correctly one can set up a config file for a specific hardware configuration. So maybe if I can setup this file to run with this specific imac the kickstart screen should come up.
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All, the Moana bootloader (or whatever it's called) was never made legally public, so you shouldn't be having this conversation here. Not trying to play forum police, but you know, someone will come along and kill the conversation eventually.
A more constructive conversation would be an overview of what needs to be done to implement a new bootloader, either as a standalone ELF executable, a standalone Forth program, or some combination of the two. If anyone knows the ins and outs of the OS4 boot process, now's the time to chime in.
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well.. this conversation is just for the sake of knowledge.. I'm not even thinking of buying an OS4.. It's merely curiosity .. to see if I can get this kickstart thing appearing.
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Now you've gone and killed the thread for sure. ;-)
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maybe
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thats exactly where i got to on my 12" G4 powerbook... no matter what option i chose it just kernel panic'd
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Probably because Moana expects other hardware.
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Let's just suppose, for a second, that someone would want to create a bootable ISO, having
AmigaOS_4.0_Final.lha
Amiga Moana Files (ISO)
just to try OS4 on a Quicksilver g4 933...
how this someone suppose to create a bootable ISO to try on Quicksilver?
*PS* This guy promisses to buy a legal copy of OS 4 if it ever comes available to g4 macs...
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http://os4macg4.wikidot.com/
Anyone who wants to help me on that, send me an e-mail to os4macg4@gmail.com
regards,
:idea:
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Anyhow, it's probably hanging on initialization of a kernel module. If you're using one of the "debug" boot options (those that enable the serial port and set an appropriate debuglevel) and your iMac has a working serial port, you might get some useful information by connecting a serial console. The OS4 SDK might have information on debugging the boot process as well.
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@ os4macg4
Thaat site contains links to a torrent of at least two illegal torrents. Posting that link here I am pretty sure is againt the TOS of the site. I would removed before they are removed
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Get it to work on the intel mini and I will be impressed :)
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oh serial console.. mmm let's get this bootloader to work
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os4macg4,
http://os4macg4.wikidot.com/
"First you need to download two files:
Amiga OS 4 ISO and Amiga Moana Files
*PS* We don't recommend piracy. Downloading OS4 through torrent is a crime! But we strongly think that making os4 runnable on G4 Macs would boost it's sales, so…"
LOL, is that you Atheist?
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I only use the pirate bay for the Linux torrents!
:angel:
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One way could be comparing the hardware specs between the macmini and the imac to see the difference and tailor a bootloader.. macmini specs anyone?
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The main difference between imacs and mac mini's is the videocard. The Imac's use Nvidia chips, the mini's Ati chips.
No way to get Moana running on an Imac unless someone, somehow gets his hands on the Nivdia sourcecodes and port it to OS4/Openfirmware/Moana for PPC.
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Ehm no, my Ibook G3 has an Ati Rage 128 video card. I'll be posting specs comparison.
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I'm not considering a G3 Apple since it lacks AltiVec and I don't know if Moana uses it in some way. Let's keep things simple :-D
BTW an Ati Rage is not an Ati RADEON. The driver included into Moana won't support anything but that type of graphics chip.
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Ok.. so no ati radeon of course.. maybe a generic xga video card driver could work?
Anyway here's specs comparison:
(http://www.sk8board.it/tmp/comparison.jpg)
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Serious... Where can I find a tutorial about how can I create an iso to try on my quicksilver?
I have MOANA.ISO plus AmigaOS4.lha
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If you own a copy of OS4 and have a copy of the SDK, the documentation states pretty clearly how the OS4 boot process works. The rest requires a little bit of knowledge of how Open Firmware works. Everyhing you need to know has been spelled out in this thread.
And at some point, I imagine the ops will kill this thread. I'm being a pessimist, I know, but I'd really like to see a legitimate bootloader for PowerPC Macs out there, and this isn't the way to go about it.
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I think the bootloader part isn't the part that hurts as you stated.
What might be tricky are the needed drivers like IDE, ethernet and sound.
Shouldn't the Linux open-source drivers help developing OS4 kernel-modules and/or drivers?
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@ackerman76
It would be much more helpful if they could get the actual hardware documentation. Linux's driver structure is quite different from Amiga OS' and the code is often quite messy and hard to read.
Hans
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what about that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHtbB5Xmxf0
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old news.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34232
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Previous videos, at least the ones I saw, were only showing kickstart OS4 screens. This one shows full GUI.
So, it's safe to say that Amiga OS 4 is fully operational on PPC Mac Minis?
Can I buy my Mac Mini and order a copy of os4?
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i think the verdict was it was an amiga under the desk? :lol:
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Well, not really a regular Amiga.
Probably one equipped with a ~U$ 1.200 PPC accelerator. More expensive than a Macbook!
*PS* It that really fake?
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hbarcellos wrote:
Can I buy my Mac Mini and order a copy of os4?
Of course you can buy both, but for now, you will not be able to run OS4 on the Mini. At least not without using an illegal, unsupported piece of software (which according to the author even freezes after a short time).
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"For Now"... it's so frustrating!!
Anyway, so, the video is not fake, it's possible to reach full usability (at least until it freezes) with a Mac Mini?
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Hey, the webpage is updated.
Still with newbies information, but anyway, a little bit deeper.
http://os4macg4.wikidot.com/
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"And it freezes.
TBContinued with more information." :lol:
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Hey, at least I'm trying, since everyone is AFRAID to post detailed instructions...
If some good soul wants to give me further details about the installation process, plz send it to os4macg4@gmail.com
I'll delete the e-mail and the identity will be kept secret.
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monami wrote:
"And it freezes.
TBContinued with more information." :lol:
I don't see you trying. This is something we'd all like to see happen. If you cannot contribute in a positive manner, say nothing. I admire the guy for working on it. People laughed at the OSX86 project but it is mostly stable now.
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No one's knocking the attempt, but the methods are dubious. The proper route:
1. Buy a copy of Amiga OS 4.
2. Learn the ins and outs of U-Boot.
3. Learn the ins and outs of Open Firmware.
4. Reverse engineer the U-Boot boot loader.
5. Write an Open Firmware boot loader.
6. Write device drivers for the target platform(s).
In general, the boot loader is going to do things like:
a. Initialize the hardware (MMU and whatever else OS4 requires).
b. Implement file system support (FFS, SFS, etc.). This could be done in Forth in Open Firmware or as part of the boot loader, which can be Forth, ELF, or anything else supported by the target platform.
c. Search for an appropriate boot device. The Moana boot loader uses an environment variable for this.
d. Read the layout file, which should include all necessary drivers.
e. Prompt for choices, if there's more than one.
e. Load the kernel per the layout file and user choice.
Open Firmware itself is open source and Forth is a well-established, well-documented, and proven language, so there shouldn't be any question about how to get generic information in those areas. The open source boot loaders for Linux and other operating systems ported to PowerPC Macs would be a good place to start for the Mac-specific stuff.
Writing device drivers is tricky, as the SDKs for some driver types, e.g. Picasso96 card and chip drivers, are not publicly available.
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6. Write device drivers for the target platform(s).
it seems to me that will be the major obstacle..
look at linux and its troubles
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by orange on 2008/2/13 13:27:33
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6. Write device drivers for the target platform(s).
it seems to me that will be the major obstacle..
look at linux and its troubles
its even more difficult at a.org since there are 99% whiners.... erm! windows users i mean and 1% amiga programers...
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OK, but as far as I know, It's already possible to run OS4 in a Mac Mini, with Moana boot loader, isn't it?
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@A1260
And u spend a 100% of ur time on this forum, {bleep}ing, tolling and putting people down.
Give it a rest ffs
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Andrea Vallinotto made it quite clear that the Moana ISO has been stolen and that distributing it equals piracy.
I'm really baffled that this thread is still open, not to mention the links to illegal download sites that can be found in here.
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Ditto. Not only this, but the fact that this thread contains links to pages pointing to pirated software and the links have been there for nearly a month, without they being removed by admins or mods... :-?
Saluditos,
Ferrán.
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Are there any news regarding this topic?
As I (like lots of others) just own an A4000 which will not work forever and also does not have the necessary power and memory capability to run AOS4 satisfying I'm looking for good alternatives!
And the Mac Mini PPC is the best ATM for me!
Unfortunately I'm not firm at all with AOS insides as well as UBoot and so on concerns (my Amiga-Programming is limited to coding the normal API for Games or similar)!
I still hope that AOS4 will work on Mac Mini sooner than later since I do not expect the lawsuit to be finished/solved this year (well attorneys and judges also want to live as we now) or maybe not even next year. And furthermore it is very unclear what will happen afterwards!
Bye
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any progress on this?
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We need a new thread, this one is too long!
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Tenacious wrote:
We need a new thread, this one is too long!
I agree, let's start a thread titled "Pirates of Hyperion's last chance to make a profit". :lol:
It is quite a dilemma for those of us who want to do the right thing and would gladly pay for AOS4 if we had something we could run it on, knowing that someone out there right now is probably successfully running AOS4 on their MacMini, or other PPC Mac. There does not appear to be any end in site for the lawsuit(s) and even if there were it is unclear if either party that may win will ever release the code to allow AOS4 to run on PPC Macs, and for many reasons. Some selfish and narrow minded and other reasons that are legal in nature and very complicated.
I think that the only way we will have AOS4 running on OUR PPC Macs, will be to have a group of very talented programmers reverse engineer the code that was leaked illegally, and create our own patch code that will allow us to run the only currently available version of AOS4, the version for Classic Amigas.
Unfortunately, the above solution is highly unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future either.
So, for me anyway, being unable to contribute to such a task, I will just sit back with my popcorn and wait for the lawsuit(s) to conclude in 2 or 3 years and then wait another 3 or 4 years for either winning party to do anything of significance, by which time I probably won't give a damn. :madashell:
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I agree, I would happily buy a copy of OS4 if it ran on a PPC Mac Mini. I don't understand this, if all rights to OS4 were indeed transfered to Hyperion during Amiga Incs dieing days then why can't they sell a version that runs on PPC Macs?
Also what has Hyperion got to worry about, if they lose the suit all they have to do is create a company, maybe call it LMOS and transfer all their assets to it icluding the Hyperion name and let the original company float away as a company named Hyperino...
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
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I agree, I would happily buy a copy of OS4 if it ran on a PPC Mac Mini. I don't understand this, if all rights to OS4 were indeed transfered to Hyperion during Amiga Incs dieing days then why can't they sell a version that runs on PPC Macs?
Amino/AI-WA never died.
Also what has Hyperion got to worry about, if they lose the suit all they have to do is create a company, maybe call it LMOS and transfer all their assets to it icluding the Hyperion name and let the original company float away as a company named Hyperino...
Law suits, plural. Either AI-De or Itec would ask their respected judges to put in either a C&D relief or demand Hyperion put all monies into escrow that were made from such sales.
Dammy
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I have a PPC mini right here.
Unfortunately, I stopped giving a damn about OS4 long ago, so I'll just have to settle with OSX.
:oP
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amigadave wrote:
It is quite a dilemma for those of us who want to do the right thing and would gladly pay for AOS4 if we had something we could run it on, knowing that someone out there right now is probably successfully running AOS4 on their MacMini, or other PPC Mac. There does not appear to be any end in site for the lawsuit(s) and even if there were it is unclear if either party that may win will ever release the code to allow AOS4 to run on PPC Macs, and for many reasons. Some selfish and narrow minded and other reasons that are legal in nature and very complicated.
The Sad thing is this is exactly the same way Amithalon died. Why oh WHY is it when good ppl. try to fix the Amiga... -sorry- FIX THE AMIGA AND BRING IT INTO THE PRESENT some SOB rips them a new one with legal crap :madashell:
Yes, I know the current process is illegal and that is why I would never support it. BUT! the only reason it IS illegal stems from greedy ignorant men who want money for other people's work and throw legal road blocks up...
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Yeah I was hoping for some kind of news. :( Even if it's not Moana.. running OS4 on my iBook would ideal.
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I've got OS 4 running on my mac mini
http://macminios4.blogspot.com/
I'll put a how to up next week some time.
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@Koffers: If you finally put a real how to on this, you'll provide the best christmas present for me and my mac mini: I DID buy this mac only for OS4/MOS usage!
I can't wait for news on this!
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How big was the .iso for the OS4 disk you used for the install?
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wow! let me know how you did it! i'll buy a Mini just for OS4.
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Some people still don't get that OS4 without USB, without network, without sound, without mac partition support (good luck making openfirmware reading RDB lol), without OS4.1 compatibility but with unstability due to not being finished is USELESS.
It seems some loonies think that drivers magically appear hanging from the trees, I guess that's the reason lots of 3rd party OS4 scsi drivers appeared for BlizzardPPC
:roflmao:
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Some people still don't get other people want to experiment with OS4 without getting aging hardware at ridiculous prices, or underpowered hardware for a bit less.
Some people still don't get other people can START DOING SOMETHING with an OS (writing drivers, etc) if they can at least boot it.
And I will boot it and install it on the Mini: for all the people who seem to be annoyed by that fact, I wish a big f**k you. I am feed up with people complaining like "ohh!! I went and paid a lot of money for aging crap to run OS4 and you're about to run it in your little almost-new hardware! I don't like it!! I don't want it to happen!"
Well, live with it.
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J. Golden and all
I agree that greed and stupidity are a trait of too many people.
Under our system of laws it is possible for someone to patent and or copyright a wonderful idea and then use the legal system to make sure no one can use or benefit from that idea!
That just is morally wrong,in my opinion.
I have encountered a seller at a flea market who said he'd destroy his goods before selling for less,and many companies do destroy blemished but perfectly serviceable goods every day rather than discount those goods.
Between the ridiculous extensions of copyrights' periods and EULAs that restrict the buyer to free software that requires users to be of a certain narrow mindset the issue is people demanding CONTROL over other people.
Millions of hammers have been sold with no restriction as to what brand of nail can be driven with that tool,why should software be different?I know,you only buy a license for the software.It ought to be treated like a book,where you buy a copy of the author's work but you can use that book to read,loan to one friend at a time,prop up the furniture,mark your favorite passages or ?;you just can't sell or give away copies.
Thank Divine Providence such foolishness wasn't endemic earlier else the families of the dicoverers of the wheel and fire would still be getting payments! :-D
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@gaula92:
I support your effort.
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My how to install os 4 on to a mac mini
http://macminios4.blogspot.com/
It's not an easy process but it does work. I'm sure someone can find an easier way to install it.
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@koffers,
Wow! pretty amazing man! Props for pulling it off. I knew someone would do it.
It would be nice if they would just release this for real so we could all live in peace & harmony.
This is the Amiga market so you know that will never happen....ever.
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koffers wrote:
My how to install os 4 on to a mac mini
http://macminios4.blogspot.com/
It's not an easy process but it does work. I'm sure someone can find an easier way to install it.
Great work! It will be much more meaningful once the USB, Sound, etc. drivers are written.
The race is on! Who will complete a usable port to the PPC MacMini, the MorphOS dev team, or the single hackers here and there that are trying to get AmigaOS4.1 ported? Sort of an unfair race, but it sure would be nice to have both AmigaOS4.x and MorphOS2.x running on the same PPC hardware.
Too bad the AmigaOS developer team has stated that they have no intentions of releasing for/porting to the MacMini, or any other PPC Mac hardware.
Hopefully a few talented hackers will continue working on it until they succeed at making a fully functioning port happen and share it with us.
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persia wrote:
sbeehre wrote:
its on the piratebay
There are many copyright violations there, do not, under any circumstances, go there and look for AmigaOS 4.
LOL!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Or you`ll do what??
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truly inspiring but i think both sides may be at a quagmire at this point...good stuff though hats off to koffers for doing some of the hard work. :crazy: to the nay sayers.
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Not sure what is new from earlier about koffers attempt.
As long as the user has purchased his copy of the AmigaOS I personally see nothing wrong with tweaking it for the user's choice of hardware.
Using pirate copies of the actual OS is reprehensible.
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http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=gguR5FNihwE
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@amigadave
what "hackers" are you talking about? The drivers released are just stolen ones, there's no "hacker" behind these drivers.
No one is going to add mac partition table support to AmigaOS, no one is going to write the nwetwork driver and no one is going to write the sound driver.
Even if you put the kickstart in other drive and the bootloader recognized the files it won't be useful without drivers.
@gaula92
If you plan to run OS4 properly you have taken the wrong route. This preliminar Mac Mini version is just a proof of concept, not a retail version. Only a handful of amiga coders are capable of writing amiga drivers and they won't waste their time with this because they are already working for AmigaOS4/MorphOS teams.
Running AmigaOS4 in cheap affordable hardware would be great and if AmigaOS4 was released for Mac Mini it would be great.
But you have to be realist: no one has the skills to do that job. Making OS4 boot on Mac Mini doesn't require any coding skills and there are key features that won't be written magically by little gnomes.
Booting OS4 on Mac Mini is different than installing it on it and making it run properly supporting network card, usb, sound...
You may be fed up of OS4 trolls but that won't make OS4 run on Mac Mini properly.
That CD will be a proof of concept until Hyperion decides to publish AmigaOS4.
Not a single developer released an OS4 BlizzardPPC SCSI driver and you can bet most of BlizzardPPC owners would have loved that. How can you expect they add Mac partition support + Sound + USB2 + Network + Wireless? You are dreaming.
BTW, I'm not against people booting this "OS4 demo", I simply don't agree with loonies who think drivers will be written magically by little green creatures.
Even if you made this "OS4 demo" work with some OS4.1 files you would still have the problems I have described.
Buying a non-supported computer to run AmigaOS4 is not exactly a clever decission if you really want to use OS4 for something else than saying "look! I have boot this bizarre OS on my Mac Mini! I can't do anything useful with it and I love that!"
On the other hand you'll be able to run MorphOS properly because it will be supported.
Buying a Mac Mini to run this unofficial OS4 version sounds like buying an A1 to run MOL :lol:
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Buying a non-supported computer to run AmigaOS4 is not exactly a clever decission if you really want to use OS4 for something else than saying "look! I have boot this bizarre OS on my Mac Mini! I can't do anything useful with it and I love that!"
You make it sound as if this is somehow different than using OS4 on an A1 or a SAM.
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@jorkany
some people just like challenges, it gives some spice probably. :)
Just like some australian guy who prefers crashing shogo/heretic2 every 2 minutes on his SAM rather than running them correctly (as well as they can run, that is) on the blue b*stard OS. :)
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This is just a joke, wait for morphos and leave this kind of silly jokes.
Sometimes appear new user telling that they have os4 on his macmini... no comments
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ok, I'll write the needed drivers as soon as I buy mac mini. assembly language can't be that hard, esp. with 'reduced instruction set' and all.. :-D
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So it was the graphics drivers after all :-P
Hyperion have decided not to support mac ppcs but I think the hole thing has been overshadowed by moana. Long before moana appeared Amiga users were hopeing for a Mac port.
@Crumb -Come on youve had a hole year to PLAY with this -some people have only got round Playing with it on there macs.
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@orange
That would be fun and challanging, bet it could be done, but are the necessary docs even public ? (And that's really a question I'm asking, I don't really know...)
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I install os 4 on my mac mini as a technical challenge and to get the look and feel of what os 4 is.
The lack of drivers doesn't help you get the true feeling of os4 but its far cheaper then spending a lot of money on a sam board.
And people don't which programmers might want to take on the technical challenge of doing something different and write some driver.
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Dudes, can someone quickly summarize some facts here ?
1. Does OS4 boot up (not just the "kickstart-hand") ?
2. What works, and what doesn't work ?
:crazy:
Regards,
Espen (Waiting for my Mini ITX MiniMig V2 + SAM440 board)
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Yes OS4 does boot or at least it did for me http://macminios4.blogspot.com/2008/12/install-os-4-on-to-mac-mini-how-to.html
The graphics driver works, programs load and install.
The usb keyboard and mouse work you have to plug the usb mouse in to the back of the computer and not in to the keyboard or the keyboard won't work.
What doesn't work is the sound, USB, Network.
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@koffers
and mac partition tables aren't supported.
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"USB mouse and keyboard work but USB doesn't work"? :)
Don't you rather mean only HID devices work, maybe?
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Why must the OS support mac partition tables?
Why can't you just format the disk to any AOS partition table?
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@pyrre
I don't think OF on the mini will read an RDB partitioned disk.
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To be correct then yes HID devices work and usb doesn't .
It doesn't seem that you need mac a partition.
The slb boot loader seems to read the amiga partitioned disk.
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@koffers
How do you read the slb boot loader?
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So, this was not a hoax afterall. Yet, it does not sound like HW/SW solution which lets us go about with out everyday business sinec network and sound does not work. I am wondering if someone is actually using the G4 Mini with OS4 to any useful, rather than just "trying it out" ?
I would like a G4 PPC Mini myself for MOS, OSX (duh!) and it would be nice to boot AOS4 on it too (for fun -- with its flaws of course). Could I just pick up _any_ G4 PPC Mini or do I need some special verison ? (firmware, hw-edition etc)
And last, can you actually INSTALL AOS4 on it, or is it just a live-cd kinda solution you guys are booting up ?
Are anyone actually working on drivers and stuff for this "distribution" (if you can call it that) or is it a halted project ?
Regs
Espen
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You can install OS4 on the Mini's HD but it will wipe out ALL of the existing Mac partitions and you still have to boot from a CD using open firmware. At that point the OS will run nice and fast but there won't be any sound, network or USB support among other things.
I really had hoped this would work for a couple of reasons. The PPC Mini packs a lot of power in to neat little package and is WAY cheaper than a Classic PPC system, or an AOne/Sam setup. IMHO it just isn't worth any more time unless a legal solution is found. No one with the talent to write the rest of the software needed is either willing or able to do the job.
It looks like we'll just have to support Hyperion/Acube the best we can and hope development continues and prices come down. I likes the looks of the new Sam systems but like everything else Amiga they are pretty pricey. They do seem like a better value than an old Classic PPC machine though.
-Jeff
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Oh, okay. So, if I don´t care about sound, usb or network. A PPC G4 with AOS4.x is a nice solution then. Hmm...how do I transfer files to it ? Can I use the CDROM and mount it as e.g. CD0: in AOS4.x then ?
I thought of getting a G4 Mini for MOS, which means I can also try out AOS4 on it :) ..for fun.
If, at least USB would be fixed, maybe we could use usb nics and usb soundcard (if drivers would exist, that is). That´s be sweet :)
For a cheap amiga-osh setup, you can always use a efika+mos. That is kinda cheap. However, a SAM give more a true amiga feeling (as true as can be, being non-classic that is).
I am gonna go get myself a G4 PPC to play with. I will probably end up runing MOS on it, though :)
Espen
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Well does anyone have the ATIRadeon driver module from OS 4.1? Maybe a new ISO can be created with this file. :-D
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Of course, you can always take the money out of your investments and get the following kit:
Sam440ep board with 512 MB DDR Ram, ATI Radeon M9 64MB and Audio 5.1 onboard, SATA DVD-RW, SATA 80 Gb Hard Disk, Logitech Optical Mouse + Psile case (Black or White)
For a extremely cheap price of 771,00 euro, or more than U$ 1.000.
- "The A500 was released in mid 1987 at the price of 595.95 USD without monitor."
- "The A1000, or Commodore Amiga 1000, was Commodore's initial Amiga personal computer, introduced on July 24, 1985 at the Lincoln Center in New York City. Machines began shipping in September with a base configuration of 256KB of RAM at the retail price of US$1,295. A 13-inch analog RGB monitor was available for around US$300 bringing the price of a complete Amiga system to $1,595."
So... it's almost U$ 300 cheaper than a new A100 at the time of it's launch.
And, just U$ 100 more expensive than the new Gateway® FX541S (http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668162.php)
-Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor1 Q6600 (2.40GHz, 1066MHz FSB, 8MB cache)
-3072MB 800MHz DDR2 SDRAM (2-1024 & 2-512)6
-500GB 7200rpm Serial ATA II/300 hard drive w/ 16MB cache4
-NVIDIA® GeForce 8600GT 512MB DDR3 Graphics w/ 2xDVI
That U$100 difference should, OF COURSE, all be attributed to Scale... obviously...
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Or you can also get Amiga OS 4.1 for a mere 105 euro ~= U$ 136. A mere U$ 25 more expensive than, let's say OS X Leopard:
http://www.amazon.com/Mac-OS-Version-10-5-4-Leopard/dp/B000FK88JK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1232544161&sr=1-1
Wouldn't be nice to buy one of those AOS4.1 original boxes just to keep looking at it????
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1987 Amiga was extreme Graphics/system power at a moderate price. Today SAM440 is an eXtreme price at a moderate/Low system spec.
It doesnt give the user anything more than an amiga looke alike desktop.
Thats sad ;( Because i loved the Amiga days..
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I just don't see any explanation other than greed. I would buy the OS for, let's say, U$ 100. What is already expensive for a limited os, but... Anyway, I would do that because of all my past with this marvelous machine IF for example, I could run it on a large selection of PPC machines: PowerMacs, Ibooks, Powerbooks, Mac mini and etc... Drivers could be downloaded freely from the company website...
ANYWAY, this opinion is maybe shared by 90% of the Amiga community that sometimes even having the money, refuses to buy such a mediocre and obscure hardware for this exorbitant price...