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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: arnljot on January 11, 2008, 11:52:32 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=160195063445&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI
Yay, I'm the proud owner soon as I won this auction! :)
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WOW! Great deal!!! Congrats!
D.
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€840... People like you are sickening the Amiga market. I'm sorry but I'm not happy with those numbers. I hope you use her and not store her as a museum piece like a lot of people.
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@Krusher
That's a fully loaded A4K.. seems like a fair price to me :-)
Cheers
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Dragster wrote:
@Krusher
That's a fully loaded A4K.. seems like a fair price to me :-)
Cheers
No It isn't.
I've seen too much Amiga's changing hands and doing nothing just to be a museum piece.. It saddens me.
I've seen the NASA Amiga's and the remark that they should sell for stupid amound of money.. For crying out loud, it's just a computer, not an Andy Warhol, or Picasso. Sheesh.
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Krusher wrote:
€840... People like you are sickening the Amiga market. I'm sorry but I'm not happy with those numbers. I hope you use her and not store her as a museum piece like a lot of people.
Was that really necessary?
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Krusher wrote:
No It isn't.
I've seen too much Amiga's changing hands and doing nothing just to be a museum piece.. It saddens me.
I've seen the NASA Amiga's and the remark that they should sell for stupid amound of money.. For crying out loud, it's just a computer, not an Andy Warhol, or Picasso. Sheesh.
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arnljot wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=160195063445&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI
Yay, I'm the proud owner soon as I won this auction! :)
Nice buy dude, I hope you enjoy it!
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Your saying this on an Amiga forum... :roll:
But I have to admit that isnt "THAT" cheap.
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No....it IS actually more of a collectible now than a worthwhile computer...thus people can and will pay what they want for them! Part of why I like AMIGA is the way they look, being from the 80's and 90's...I collect old toys, so pricing due to collector's value doesn't suprise me! After nothing going on the last 10 years with amiga....you should be delighted that people still even care!...
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@Krusher
It's not going to be a museum piece. I have a lot of boxes. All raging from pcs, ps3, other amigas and now an a4000!
I consider myself a dedicated amiga lover. And having regretted selling my amiga 4000 back in 1999 (or 98) I've wanted one again ever since.
Now I got the chance. So I payed what the asking price was, because I can afford it. I'm 31, have a very nice job and pay my bills on time.
@jimbo100
Well, the same reply goes here. I really wanted it. And others wanted it almost as much as me.
@the rest of the forum
Yeah, it wasn't super cheap. But now I've got what I've wanted for so long!
So thank you to all who've been congratulating me. It'll be great to get to using a real amiga with some "omph!" compared to my stock a1200 and a500 :)
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@arnljot
One word of advise, be very careful with that CSPPC! Those cards are quite fragile. :-(
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Sheesh, even Tweakers.net is more easy going.
All I want to say is that any Amiga is going for stupid amount of money. I love her, but don't attack people if they dislike the amount of money they have to pay.
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Gulp!!! $1230+S/H. I'm sorry guys, that maybe "cheap" by today's ridiculous prices, but it ain't really cheap. So I'm with Tokyoracer and Krusher on this. Especially the fact that many setups go to dust collectors... and never get used. I'd love to get a PPC setup to get back to doing some Amiga programming for OS4, but it's damn near impossible the way these things are selling...
Now, perhaps we're blaming collectors even though there may not be so many out there (was there ever a poll?), but frankly from all the posts I've read on a.org, there seem to be a lot with such kit just sitting doing nothing (and some don't respond to mails either...). Come to think of it, there's *huge* set of auctions on eBay from some Canadian guy. This guy either had a store or was well stashed :-) He's got awesome gear, and there's so much, I doubt it was really used often/daily.
BUT, the scary thing with this A4000 auction ( even though, I do admit, it's a very nice setup and I wish arnljot the best of luck with his new toy :-) ), is: how do you trust your $1230/840euros to a guy with 0 rating!?!?!?!? And no paypal or similar payment service!??!!? THAT scares the crap out of me on deals overseas!
My 2 de-valueating dollar cents.
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@ Arnljot
Let me know when you get it, so I can send you my mailing address. :crazy:
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Thats LOADZ!
I would have just bought a Macbook Pro or something.
It is a good amiga but get a life :-) lol
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Thats almost the same price that I sold my MK3 060/Picasso 4 A4000 back in 1998!
I guess the market is'nt much different now?. I'm afriad these machines are even more rare these days?
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alot of hating going on but I'm happy for you man!!!if you want something bad and can afford it..you get it!
Hell I'm still dreaming of getting any form of speed for my amiga, so cheers dude and enjoy your prize!!! :-D :-)
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My "last" amiga back in the previous century was:
Amiga 4000
CS PPC 060 + 233mhz
CVPPC
Buddha IDE + some IDE disks
Quantum 9GB UW SCSI
Plextor SCSI2 cd burner
Prelude ZII sound board
Ariadne Network card
HyperCOM Serial/Paralell card Card
I now have:
A PicassoIV in waiting
My old hacked A4000 motherboard
A Blizzard 4030@50mhz with FPU
Some memory
My Prelude sound card
A 2065 network card
An Amiga500 with extra memory
An Amiga1200 (stock)
A Amiga1200 motherboard (bust)
++ misc
I love all that stuff. And if something starts to collect dust, I'll do the right thing: First offer it here, then if there is no sale put it on ebay.
When I get my new Amiga4000 I'll start looking into getting serious about C++, and do some simple hobby projects. I have nothing particular in mind atm.
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zyphoid wrote:
Hell I'm still dreaming of getting any form of speed for my amiga...
A1200T Mid-Night 060@50mhz
tv tuner, voodoo banshee, usb subway, mediator
Dual Multi partition 200Gig 2.5/3.5HD
Twin dual-layer lite-on dvd 52x dvd-rw
sx-32pro 030@50mhz my favorite system
:roll:
I don't think there's hating going on zyphoid, but probably envy.
@arnljot:
What sort of "hacked A4000 motherboard" do you have? Anything interesting you wanna share?
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da9000 wrote:
@arnljot:
What sort of "hacked A4000 motherboard" do you have? Anything interesting you wanna share?
I got this guy in Bergen/Norway back in 97 to desolder most of the IO ports from the motherboard, and solder the sockets on flat cables (I'll post a pic later).
I had this done so that I could fit it in a PC case I found.
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Aha, cool. I was wondering, since I know some Spanish guy has done the 16MB -> 64MB hack... but there are no photos or documentation about this anywhere :-(
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I'm not hating! I'm just adding some auction history facts to the mix.
If its worth that much to you, then good! I'm glad its going to the right person. :-)
A4000's need a proper home!
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@Arnljot
Well said! I'd have bought it in a second too! me like you, have a good job and easily I could have afforded it, so enjoy playing with it and let it have OS4! It rocks!
Cheers,
Dragster
PD. I never said it was cheap, I said FAIR price.
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da9000 wrote:
Gulp!!! $1230+S/H. I'm sorry guys, that maybe "cheap" by today's ridiculous prices, but it ain't really cheap. So I'm with Tokyoracer and Krusher on this. Especially the fact that many setups go to dust collectors... and never get used. I'd love to get a PPC setup to get back to doing some Amiga programming for OS4, but it's damn near impossible the way these things are selling...
Now, perhaps we're blaming collectors even though there may not be so many out there (was there ever a poll?), but frankly from all the posts I've read on a.org, there seem to be a lot with such kit just sitting doing nothing (and some don't respond to mails either...). Come to think of it, there's *huge* set of auctions on eBay from some Canadian guy. This guy either had a store or was well stashed :-) He's got awesome gear, and there's so much, I doubt it was really used often/daily.
BUT, the scary thing with this A4000 auction ( even though, I do admit, it's a very nice setup and I wish arnljot the best of luck with his new toy :-) ), is: how do you trust your $1230/840euros to a guy with 0 rating!?!?!?!? And no paypal or similar payment service!??!!? THAT scares the crap out of me on deals overseas!
My 2 de-valueating dollar cents.
Have I got a deal for you! quit complaining, I have several ppc cyberstorms (all 233) and would consider selling one. email me at damnstraight92570@yahoo.com if your serious about buying one. I don't log on here much anymore so get me an offer. Os 4.0 is quit a piece! I am almost near the brink of abandonment. And no, I am not a collector.
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Congrats G that is a mad Amiga. Welcome to the PPC club! I could not think of better home for it and it will be used unlike no machine around here - trust me.
I think it is good price. But the state of the dollar (wooden nickel) is no variable spihunter controls. Still, think how cool the resale value of a Commodore 1990s machine like this is compared to a peecee, duh. Oh yeah, give me my $1000.00 loaded to tilt 100 Mhz Pentium Pro with doom right now or I'll puke! lol.
Someone said "I don't think there's hating going on zyphoid, but probably envy."
Um yeah. I am. {bleep}'s got 2 060s now.
Maybe I should bring back my "who's got the most hotrod A1000" contest?
:pint:
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TheGoose wrote:
Oh yeah, give me my $1000.00 loaded to tilt 100 Mhz Pentium Pro with doom right now or I'll puke! lol.
Actually an authentic 100Mhz PPro would cost much more than $1000 since they were only released at 150Mhz and above :-P
TheGoose wrote:
Someone said "I don't think there's hating going on zyphoid, but probably envy."
I did.
TheGoose wrote:
Um yeah. I am. {bleep}'s got 2 060s now.
Huh?
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@ Arnljot
Congrats! It's a dear price to pay, though! But if you could afford it, by all means.
My concern is same as that of da9000 -- the seller just registered with eBay the same day he listed it. I hope you and the seller are both in Netherlands, and that the transation went well.
Perhaps you can keep us updated when you finally lay your hand on your dream machine.
Cheers!
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Krusher wrote:
€840... People like you are sickening the Amiga market. I'm sorry but I'm not happy with those numbers. I hope you use her and not store her as a museum piece like a lot of people.
While I don't feel as strongly about this as the above poster, I do feel it's a waste when someone buys a PPC "only" to play games, play MP3s and watch DVDs (not saying the original poster is going to do this). In these cases the PPC's full potential goes unused. I consider this a shame, when such a PPC Amiga would make a big difference to someone doing "productivity" work where horsepower is needed: multi-track audio recording, video editing, ray tracing, desktop publishing, etc. These sort of things really require a PPC and push it to the limit - also creating something new in the process.
However, I fully acknowledge that it is his money and his property. So he can buy the PPC board and smash it with a hammer if he so chooses. I have no right to say anything about it.
It's just too bad that the mad dash for these boards has driven prices so far up - making them unaccessible to most who could really use them.
But I still hold out the very faintest of hopes that *someone* has something up their sleeve for 2008 (read: new PPC boards to go with the release of OS4 Classic). :-D
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like many i would love to own more amigas, a 1200 with ppc or a 4000 or something more than my lowly a500s and 1000s but because the demand is so high the prices are INSANE, yea their amiga and amiga is awesome and some stuff is rare but over a thousand dollars for a 10+ year old pc boggles my mind, or 600+ for just an upgrade card for your decade plus year old desktop? you can get brand new computers and brand new graphics cards for those prices! sure its collectable and its not made any more but jeesus, thats comparible to what it was NEW :-o im too damn poor for this hobby! you folks are dropping more than i paid for my CAR for these computers!
ill trade you my boxed and modded a1000 for it ;-)
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Bonami wrote:
the seller just registered with eBay the same day he listed it. I hope you and the seller are both in Netherlands, and that the transation went well.
I didn't look at the guy's registration date even, just the score. I consider anyone with less than 99% a not-good-enough seller (I didn't say bad, but someone you might have a doubt about - unless the guy has a low score, which means even 1 stupid negative kills his score).
Anyways, Arnljot is in Norway, if I recall right, so in the worse case he takes a ferryboat over to Dennmark and then heads down to Holland for some Viking ass kicking :-D That's what I'd do for that much moolah and a PPC card!
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"It's just too bad that the mad dash for these boards has driven prices so far up - making them unaccessible to most who could really use them."
I sure wish some new accelerators could be produced, there are still many Amigas out there. I could use one in my A4000T.
Chris
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It looks like this was a pretty good deal to me. If you were to try and buy the individual components on Ebay you would be paying more than this system cost. People are also forgeting how much this hardware cost new. If this seller bought all of these items new he is taking a sizable loss even at the price this sold for.
Dan :idea:
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These high prices is also what is keeping from buying a csppc.
Even worse i sold my whole A4000 in 2004 with cspppc,mediator,voodoo 3 3000 etc...i wish i never did it.
The good news is that i still do have my blizzard ppc/bvision A1200T.
The bottem line is that these prices are way too much for such old hardware, on the other hand it is basic economics, high demand and low availability raises the price.
Would somebody bring a new fast(er) accellerator card for classic amiga's would lower these prices.
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The way ppc prices are still rising could mean this was a sound investment.
I'd have bought it if i could afford it but not for investment or collecting....just purely for the pleasure of using it......in my eyes thats priceless.
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I couldn't do that.
I mean for whoever wants to collect what they want, I say throw your mad money down on what you like. Enjoy it for everyday that you own it.
Now for my own sanity I'm going to put my own personal spin on it. I myself couldn't see my self even spending nearly that much at all for the an Amiga system. Especially if I wasn't going to use it to make a living off of it. That's basically what has dictated all of my purchases lately, if I can make money off of it, or if I really need it.
I might think about spending some cash like that if someone were to actually start producing some PPC cards in substantial numbers. In that case my wallet would be a little more inclined to crack open a little bit. Just thinking about the sheer age of the hardware scares the stuffing out of me. Not to mention that most of that stuff is near impossible to get back, and it's considered some of the most fragile hardware available for this system.
The whole Minimig idea is kinda nice, but for my that's still close a really fancy video game console though. That's fine for those that want that, it's all good and good, I just need more power.
Maybe all these years of being near completely broke have had some kind of effect on me. Many of the years had me having to scrimp for 2 hours to get enough money to buy only 1 gal(3.78 l. for those of you of the metric world) to get job interviews that weren't going to hire me in the first, dealing with credit collectors,taking the city public bus filled with sick screaming children, eating ramen noodles and hot dogs,choosing between rent or lunch for the month and shameful acts of near poverty.
So for I've had to sell the Amiga 4000 board I was going to actually use in a PPC tower project to one of the worse sellers on eBay, for what was in my mind "whore money". Then the loss of my one Amiga 4000 unit wasn't all to pleasant. Not to mention all the Amiga and Commodore stuff I had to let go of.
Thoughts like buying a candy piece cross my mind, but then I think back to dirty, crazy (that's an understatement!!)men screaming at me and other people on the bus while fondling themselves inappropriately. Peddling 20 miles(32.18km bleh, more metrics) after an ice storm because I have no ride to work. Having to literally work 3 months without any personal money to pay off medical bills because my job doesn't pay enough to offer up good benefits.
Maybe that's the reason I still am keeping my A4k and my A2k, in hopes things "will get better". Some material icon, a placeholder for thoughts and feelings for which I'm in too downward of a spiral to feel. The shining optimism that I too will be able to collect stuff. I'm actually doubting it though anymore.
I speak not with a cupidinous tongue. It is my view that avarice and covetous yearnings are the values of bloodthirsty corporate power mongers. I guess I'm just speaking in a numb fashion of disbelief. I've done the same thing when certain people I know like to watch that "My Sweet 16" or "Cribs" on MTv. Many times I do that at my job when I see people literally spend thousands of dollars on home decor, only to spend more in the next 5 months because it's "not in fashion"
To each his/her own I guess. As for me, I truly see it in a different light now..
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dannyp1 wrote:
People are also forgeting how much this hardware cost new.
People are forgetting that was 10 years ago... :roll:
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enjoy it, arnljot! and if it is a very earlier CSPPC (like it seems by its clock) you have one of the most robust P5 model ever manufactured! :-)
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Did you notice the send to location is the Netherlands?
Maybe the guy changed his mind after getting such a high bid otherwise he may still be in for a shock.
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I'm a good ebayer and contacted the guy early in the beginning of the aution and discussed a few things. IE shipping to Norway etc.
Thursdsay the bid was at €460, and I put in my €860 bid which was pushed up tp €840 by another bidder.
@everyone
I agree that it's risky to pay so much for equipment that is more than 15 years old, and may break at any moment. And I probably should have spent them on something "smart".
But I think this will be smart, I won't be doing any audio prosject or ray tracing or anything artistic. But I will look into learning how to do OS3x and OS4 c++ coding with it. That is my aspiration as stated earlier.
Also about the sellers rating. Yes, he's new. But it's the Amiga sellers with loads of feedback and items which may be the ones which are most damaging to the amiga community. Since some of them are hoarders who buy cheap and sell expensive. This is a guy who is leaving the amiga, and selling it to a new good home.
So to the one who said I could take a hammer to the CSPPC if I liked... I guess you are right, but that is still sacreligious!! :)
About Amiga: I'm not religious, but I'm fanatical ;)
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Congratulations! It looks like a very nice machine. As classic goes this is about top of the line. I hope it arrives safely. Please share some pictures as well as a review upon it's arrival.
Most of all Enjoy!
Jeff
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I'd say not a bad investment unless Elbox or some other company (Abox) pulls a rabbit out of their ass and makes new turbo cards for old Amigas or in this case Abox making a completely new computer and together with Hyperion make OS4 run on it.
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One of the contributing factors that caused me to "Defect" to the PC world was the fact that, for the most part, Amiga hardware was always expensive; even when Commodore went under! For the cost of adding a used hard drive to my Amiga 500, I could have bought an entire used PC system with a bigger hard drive!
Things are actually more reasonable these days, for the most part, so I decided to get back into the computer I love. For instance, getting a SCSI controller that handles regular SIMM modules up to 8MB (and is loaded with 2MB) for the A2000 for $51 is actually reasonable. A mint barebones A2000 for $50 was also a decent price.
As for using these computers, there is another use besides playing games, MP3's, watching DVD's, and for productivity. It's a great system for hobbyists to tinker around with.
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Enjoy it !
It's fair price for a quite well loaded system !
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Prices is price you are prepared to pay for something you want! A scan doubler flicker fixer with minutes to go £129 on Ebay UK.Next stop the moon with these sort of prices.
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Well
I've agreed with the seller on local picup.
And I've bought myself plane tickes and a hotel room. So I will stay from friday till saturday there.
If anyone knows of Amiga worthy sites in Eindhoven or Amsterdam please let me know!
But I will arrive late friday (18:50 at Schiphol) and leave early on saturday (17:15)
And the trainride from Amsterdam to Eindhoven is 90 minutes each way.
I'll bring my camera, and document the adoption ;)
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arnljot wrote:
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And the trainride from Amsterdam to Schiphol is 90 minutes each way.
It only takes about 17 minutes from and to Schiphol Airport <=> Amsterdam Central Station.
Have a good stay!
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Krusher wrote:
It only takes about 17 minutes from and to Schiphol Airport <=> Amsterdam Central Station.
Have a good stay!
My mistake, I meant Amsterdam <->Eindhoven :)
Will fix it in my post :)
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arnljot wrote:
My mistake, I meant Amsterdam <->Eindhoven :)
Will fix it in my post :)
:-D Too bad it's not an Amiga laptop you're getting :lol:
Anyway make shure it's packaged good and sturdy, those guys at luggage at airports aren't exactly people you want to handle your computer....
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Krusher wrote:
:-D Too bad it's not an Amiga laptop you're getting :lol:
Anyway make shure it's packaged good and sturdy, those guys at luggage at airports aren't exactly people you want to handle your computer....
I was planning on bringing antistatic bags and cardboard boxes with foam to take the PPC and PicassoIV as carry on, and only have the box, HD and Motherboard etc in my checked in bagage.
This way I hope to minimize risk. :)
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I'd take the whole box with me in the plane. Just get a big enough bag, and add some padding to it. It shouldn't be oversized. I hope :-)
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Cheap or no, it's a very configurqation. Congratulations, arnljot.
I spent more than that building my A4000 from scratch. I'm talking CSPPC, PicassoIV, X-Surf, tons of RAM and disk space, etc etc etc..
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Is €840 a ridiculous amount of money for ancient technology? Yes, of course it is. Is €840 the total opposite of what Amiga started out as? Yes, Amiga was leading edge technology for less, now it not even trailing edge technology for the price of cutting edge technology.
Philosophically Amiga has turned a corner, and for many of us that is a sad day. I don't think it's right to attack buyer or seller. The seller has a right to whatever he or she can get for their product. And from the buyer's point of view €840 is really a bit less than most people's weekly income, so you can't blame the buyer either.
But, for those of us who were amongst the first A1000 owners it is a sad day, it is the loss of the dream of great technology at a great price. Let us also recognise that. Maybe it's really the message on the wall, there's really no place for us old dreamers in the new Amiga world. Sigh :bigcry: :bigcry:
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Here is a pic of my old card (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=2349=12), someone asked which "hacks" I'd done to it.
another pic (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=2347=12)
last pic (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=2346=12)
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arnljot wrote:
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Yay, I'm the proud owner soon as I won this auction! :)
Well done mate, they are lovely machines ... I always dreamed of having an A4000, actually managed to get an A3000 with a Picasso II once but then stupidly traded it for an A1200 doh! :-o But good on you mate for getting the A4000, shame it is so expensive though, I can understand how others feel in that it places the higher end Amigas (still) out of the hands many other people. Anyways, enjoy the machine and I hope that you will get many great Amiga hours and new memories from it! :-D
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Okay, I'm now at an internet cafe in Eindhoven in the Netherlands (.nl)
I have my amiga with me, and it's really well packaged and the picassoiv, drives and csppc is in my carry on luggage.
Eric turned out as I sucpected to be a really cool and decent guy.
Now I'm just waiting for the train to take me to Sciphol so that I can get back to Oslo and set up this baby!
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*gratulerer* Looks like you got a hell of an amiga
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Hei Arnljot,
Gratulerer med fint Amiga. Hope you enjoy my old machine. Nice you noticed me being 'cool and decent'. :-)
And yes, i agree it is a lot of money, but my new amiga (WinUAE on a Dell Laptop) was a lot more expesive still. Also a lost a lot more money on my A2000 that i bought for 2500euro, expanded with another few 1000euros and gave away for free last week. :-)
Eric
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[color=ff0000]YAY IT BOOTED![/color][/b]
Now ofcourse it SFS file system {bleep}es about something being wrong with "DH6:" on "BakBench".
So I guess the UltraWide SCSI drive (68 pins) is okay, and it's the FastSCSI drive (50 pins) which is botched.
The way it's set up is so that:
[uw scsi]<-->[CS STORM]<--->[FastSCSI HD]<---->[CDROM]
TODO:
1) Get One nice working SCSI HD
2) Buy some seriously shorter SCSI cables (there is almost 2 meters of scsi cables inside the poor litle box! :)
3)Find someone who will sell or build me a NoIDE hack
Get a BUI Transiver for my network card, or buy a new from AmiKit
4) Insert my Prelude soundcard and start enjoying!
And under
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Congratulations:-) Are you going to try OS4 on it?
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Yes, I think so.
But first I have some hurdles to cross. Get rid of the FastSCSI2 HD which is broken, and find another way to activly terminate the FastSCSI end (seems like the Plextor CDROM is only passive termination).
Then I have to merge the dutch keyboard with my norwegian keyboard since SHIFT, E and C doesn't work, and I seems really dodgy (Have to holdt it in long before I get the letter I.)
And also I have a lot of other questions for the good folks of a.org which I need sorted out first :)
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They aren't all as expensive as that one, this was posted on Amibay yesterday:
Hi,
For those that doubted that Amibay would ever see any cool stuff up for grabs, these have just gone on offer in the Recycle Bin for just the shipping costs:-
A500 with 020 accelerator
A2000 with 020 accelerator
A3000 030 Tower
A4000 040
Time base correctors: DPS and Kitchen Syncs ( a couple of them)
DraCo Vision tower complete with video card, DV capture and playback card and software.
I've got first dibs on the 4000/040, everything else is up for grabs, if you want it, sign up fast, I can't see them being there long.....
A 400/040 for the shipping costs from Canada to the UK? That has to be cheaper than the one you got....
WTF