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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: roger_ramjet on January 07, 2008, 04:46:25 AM
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http://www.euroinvestor.co.uk/news/shownewsstory.aspx?storyid=9691693&BW=20080106005175
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:-o
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Maybe it is false news?I dont trust ANYTHING and anyone that has to do with the guy that his first name is BILL and is working in amiga inc...
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There seems to be a copy and paste of this on a few sites ... here is one
http://dsmtechnews.com/2008/01/06/amiga-launches-new-version-of-amigaanywhere/
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Amiga, Inc. announces the availability of AmigaAnywhere™ version 2, the first phase of the Amiga OS
Could someone enlighten me whats so "AmigaOS" about it, except for the name of course?
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Could someone enlighten me whats so "AmigaOS" about it, except for the name of course?
Absolutely nothing, but that was the plan of AInc from the very beginning.
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Whow AA2.
Something tells me that in 12 months this is about what
you got from Amiga Inc in 2008. The money washing machine
Amiga. :madashell:
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That is the press release to announce the pending announcement at CES, which will be an announcement that A.inc will soon be announcing their partnership with several major players in the content creation field as well as partnerships with one or two manufacturers (that they conveniently can't divulge yet) of the new Amiga desktop and laptop computers.
Just the usual story from A.Inc and the same story they have been trying to sell for years.
Nothing (new) to see here, move along. :cry:
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Nothing about AA2 on Amiga.com
Amiga Inc. Technology News (http://www.amiga.com/news/index.php?t=tn) - I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
I love my Amiga's, but Amiga incorporated can go to hell (if they aren't already there). I think Acube may very well be the way of the future for this platform.
And what's up with all those Amig Inc./Vulcan re-releases. I mean, they were rather mediocre games at the time they were originally released. Does Bill McE. expect anyone to take him seriously and his company when THIS is where he takes the Amiga brand?
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Watch out! You never know when ACube will change it's name to KMOS or something...!
Is THIS AmigaOS 5
Reading that article, I'd say it's AmigaOS 1. Where have these people been?
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I think Acube may very well be the way of the future for this platform.
I think you fail to understand, the "platform" is what AI defines it as. They own the IP, it's their call, no one elses.
And what's up with all those Amig Inc./Vulcan re-releases. I mean, they were rather mediocre games at the time they were originally released.
Dead smelly toad at it's high noon, no doubt.
Does Bill McE. expect anyone to take him seriously and his company when THIS is where he takes the Amiga brand?
I took the badging of Terron turds as Amigas highly offensive back in the day. Today, I've accepted reality that AI can do whatever they feel like with their IP, it's all become meaningless to me. If McBill is happy with slapping a Boing Ball sticker on that dead stinky toad and call it OS5, more power to him. Just more amusement for me in 08. :popcorn:
Dammy
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AMIGA ANYWHERE
Except on an amiga
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:lol:
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:lol:
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@lovrenco
Please put a space somewhere in the middle of your sig...
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Maybe Commodore going to buy AInc ????
Bob
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*sigh* This is embarrassing.
"AmigaOS 5 surfaces... sort of"
El Reg (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/07/ces_amiga_os_5_surfaces/)
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...This is awful! So, OS5 is Amiga Anywhere.:-o
Maybe we should port all Amiga software to Java. At least it is real. :-x
A Inc should keep AA2 IP and let AmigaOS goes open source. I don't cara about AA2, I don't think it is revolutionary, and can't actually see how it could be useful for anything other than cell phone games.
I have a suggestion: let's change our "Get Boinged" bumper stickers to "Set Amiga Free". Maybe it works
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Its clear whats happening. For the last few years Amiga has had all these loyal fans and Amiga Inc have teamed up with microsoft to try and get us loyal fans to say " Ahh F*ck it lets just get windows"
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foleyjo wrote:
Its clear whats happening. For the last few years Amiga has had all these loyal fans and Amiga Inc have teamed up with microsoft to try and get us loyal fans to say " Ahh F*ck it lets just get windows"
But instead, I said "f**k it, I'm getting a mac" ;P Best move I ever made.
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Then on the news, there will be a AP report of Jesus holding a rally of some sort with people wearing Amiga OS T-Shirts, when he comes back celebrating a new full release of Amiga OS.
I guess this is why I only check for updates on Amiga stuff only every other 5 months. It seems that 5 months = a week in Amiga time.
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Haven't you guys heard? OS5 is real, and according to AInc it's based on brand new technology! There's even a screenshot - look:
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm244/motorollin/aorg/OS5.png)
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moto
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I really have a problem with the press release saying Amiga Inc. was founded in 1983.. It's not even the same organization and for the record in 1983 it was Amiga Corporation (not Incorporated I seem to remember)
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...This is awful! So, OS5 is Amiga Anywhere.
That's now how I'm reading it, OS5 is what AA2 is running on top of. Question is OS5 really Mono or .Net or a layer between .Net or Mono.
Dammy
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AmigaAnywhere 2 what the h**l.. And When was version 1 released?
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(http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/pics/anboing200.png)
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:lol:
Piru, can I use that as an avatar? Been using mine since day one, so it's about time for a change :-)
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moto
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What you mean "avartar" ? Allways thought that was a foto of you :-? :-? :-?
p.s. and yes mine is :-P
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@motorollin
I consider it parody and thus falling into fair use category, but use your own judgement.
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@Kronos
Err no, I mean "avatar" :-)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/avatar
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/avartar
It is me, but South Park-ed ;-)
@Piru
Where did you get it?
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moto
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@motorollin
The logo was downloaded from amiga.com website, and modified by me.
I can't seem to find the original file from the web directly right now, but it seems to be inside this archive:
http://www.aminet.net/package/docs/mags/TheCrypt27
Online27/Images/aaboing200.gif
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LoadWB wrote:
"AmigaOS 5 surfaces... sort of"
Must take one hell of a powerful mobile phone to run Space Invaders :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Let's hope they'll finally burn their last money on this. :roll:
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ZeBeeDee wrote:
Must take one hell of a powerful mobile phone to run Space Invaders
That's high technology that you mere mortal can't understand. :-D
You need a host OS that touches the hardware using a HAL, and over it you run an application that launches the Amiga Anywhere enviroment.
Then it launches AmigaOS 5 and abstracts the host system through another HAL. Now it is OK to run Space Invaders (simple, huh ?)
In order to have all these modern life commodities, of course you need a very powerful processor, and if Space Invaders runs slow, it means you need a faster cell phone.
How could you dare to run a complex app like this without all of these resources behind the scenes? Would you be crazy like all of those Atari 2600 users? This is why Atari died... :-D :-D :-D
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"The point for AmigaOS buffs is that AmigaAnywhere 2 effectively starts up a virtual machine, boots AmigaOS and runs the code on top of that. And that makes it perfectly possible for Amiga lovers to fire it up and run the familiar Amiga GUI instead of the game. Why they'd want to is anyone's guess, and Amiga wasn't demo'ing the OS working in this mode. Can AmigaOS catch up with the user experience and the functionality of modern operating systems? Some might argue that it shouldn't try, that it should instead revel in its simplicity and very small storage requirement."
"If AmigaAnywhere 2 is using AmigaOS 5, it's presumably free of any further fall-out from the ongoing legal battle over the ownership of AmigaOS 4 and its predecessors."
What a F*#king disappointment!
Who here (besides me) thinks that A.Inc only wants AOS4.0 so they can kill it because they don't want it confusing the general public and device manufacturers, who they only want to concentrate on AA2. Maybe I am wrong.
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Now I see what Bill McFraud meant when he said Amiga OS 5 would be even better than Mac OS X. I'm going to get rid of it and replace it with Amiga OS 5 and...
What? Oh, so Amiga OS 5 actually *needs* Mac OS X to run on my Mac? And the Mac OS X version of Amiga OS 5 isn't out yet. Oh, OK. I'll bet it'll be worth the wait, though..
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@foleyjo
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AMIGA ANYWHERE
Except on an amiga
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That is incredibly hilarious! hahaha! but true
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its clear whats happening. For the last few years Amiga has had all these loyal fans and Amiga Inc have teamed up with microsoft to try and get us loyal fans to say " Ahh F*ck it lets just get windows"
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Agree 100%, and this is what upsets me me the most, except that this is backfiring, I would get a Mac over Windows or the very least Linux...........why the heck would I go to Microsoft Windows which is the worst OS out there? I want the closest thing to Amiga and right now its MacOSX or Ubuntu...been done with Windows years ago.
THe past people who have owned Amiga had a Treasure Chest, but were so blind that they were trying to sell the Chest and not the treasure and can't figure out why no one wants it! The Value is in the machine (The Treasure) not the Name (The Treasure Chest)
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Lemmink wrote:
Could someone enlighten me whats so "AmigaOS" about it, except for the name of course?
Absolutely nothing, but that was the plan of AInc from the very beginning.
Supposedly, it's a full AmigaOS running over top a host OS. It boots up AmigaOS and runs the software. It's small enough and fast enough since, it's binary not interpreted to take on JAVA as an execution environment.
Now take it to the next step as it will apparently load Workbench as well. So it's an AmigaOS Kernel that can run on virtually any OS and potentially any hardware with a small boot Kernel. So put port it to all of the different hardwares that are being made by different people in the OS community and run the new OS 4 workbench on it.
It really looks promising, if they'd get a product out the door. I'll give them until the OS 4 legal wranglings are over before I pass final judgement.
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Sigh. This *might* have been cool 5 years ago, but I can't understand why anyone would develop for this platform now. There must be a huge overhead involved, and the advent of cross-platform media libraries (SDL, etc.) makes platform scalability almost redundant.
With Java possibly falling out of favor (http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/12/28/52FE-underreported-java_1.html), the market window for a product like this is long gone.
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I saw this coming from afar! :lol:
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Matt_H wrote:
Sigh. This *might* have been cool 5 years ago, but I can't understand why anyone would develop for this platform now. There must be a huge overhead involved, and the advent of cross-platform media libraries (SDL, etc.) makes platform scalability almost redundant.
Huge overhead? AmigaOS? The original ran in 256K or RAM right? With a 7Mhz 68000. I think the overhead is actually minimal and you end up with a binary environment versus an interpreted one. I know we all love our Classic Amigas but this is something new and I've waited this long.
I think I'll give it until the OS 4 wranglings are completed before I throw in the towel.
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:roflmao: @ Moto
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DonnyEMU wrote:
I really have a problem with the press release saying Amiga Inc. was founded in 1983.. It's not even the same organization and for the record in 1983 it was Amiga Corporation (not Incorporated I seem to remember)
I also seem to remember that the original company was founded (as Hi-Toro) in 1982, which, if true, would indicate that they are even getting their lies wrong.
Does anyone know the true date?
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@ Nlandas
Apples and ornages. I will be shocked and amazed if there is a single line of code from the original AmigaOS in this new thing. From my understanding, the efficiency that allowed for such low system requirements is almost certainly gone, thanks to the nature of a virtual machine. The host device isn't just running "Amiga" code, it's running a virtual environment which in turn is running the Amiga code - the bulk of processing is on running the virtual machine, not their Space Invaders clone.
In other virtual machine examples, even the most basic Java apps crawl in comparison to C equivalents. Monkey Island is barely playable on ScummVM on my 68060/50 when it used to run fine natively on a plain 68000/7.
In a similar vein, performance of MOL is greatly reduced because it can't access hardware resources directly and has to use an emulation layer. I'd imagine there's also a performance hit with AROS Hosted vs. AROS native (the AROS guys can correct me on this), and with Windows running through Parallels vs. Windows running natively. Even old DOS apps running through Windows 95 are slower.
Bottom line is that Amiga, Inc.'s virtual machine is going to be a bottleneck. It's hardware, running an OS, running an application, running an "OS", running an application. Compare that to regular computer hardware running an OS, running an application. It's Amiga in title alone, completely ignoring the design philosophies that made the Amiga fun, efficient, and accessible to developers. And from a user perspective, for someone who just wants to use "an Amiga", it means installing and configuring another OS first.
This announcement has pushed me closer to building a box for AROS than ever before.
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@Motorollin
Yeah i can see how it is better than OSX,honestly i am not going to write the reply which i want to because if i did i would probably be banned from amiga.org as it would contain a lot of violence and foul language..
I really cant wait to laugh so hard when this turd joke of a company eventually dies..
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Sorry moto,
couldn't help but steal the avatar idea - it just is too cool. :D And the Nyx dream is over... :cry:
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http://www.amiga.com/about/
:lol: if you hover your cursor over the top picture, the whole family is playing sudoku :lol:
But seriously i still dont understand what AmigaAnywhereTM. is ... are these new applications (SUDOKU) going to actually work on AmigaOS :-? :-? :-?
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The *ONLY* reason it's labeled "OS5" is to off-set all the work Hyperion did on OS4. Microsoft made us do it...what a crock.
This should be a point for *EVERYONE* here to realize that there is no hope for Amiga Inc. They have no interest in us, as a market base and want the Amiga, in name only.
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AmigaInc can shove AmigaAnywhere2 up there ass!!!!!!!!!!1111111 :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x
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Nlandas wrote:
Supposedly, it's a full AmigaOS running over top a host OS. It boots up AmigaOS and runs the software. It's small enough and fast enough since, it's binary not interpreted to take on JAVA as an execution environment.
Uh, what makes you think it's not interpreted? Ok, /if/ the scenario is correct (which I doubt is true) of:
hardware - OS - AA VM - AOS - app
you're still running in a VM -- you've just inserted yet another layer into the mix... For example in Java you'd have:
hardware - OS - Java VM - app
So, yes, I guess the app is "not interpreted", it's running "natively" on the AOS, but, then, the entire AOS is running interpreted on the real OS. Pretty stupid design.
Now take it to the next step as it will apparently load Workbench as well. So it's an AmigaOS Kernel that can run on virtually any OS and potentially any hardware with a small boot Kernel.
Uh, yeah, ok... I'll believe that when I see it.
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motorollin wrote:
Haven't you guys heard? OS5 is real, and according to AInc it's based on brand new technology! There's even a screenshot - look:
(http://www.mashley.net/OS5.png)
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moto
:lol:
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@Matt_H
In a similar vein, performance of MOL is greatly reduced because it can't access hardware resources directly and has to use an emulation layer. I'd imagine there's also a performance hit with AROS Hosted vs. AROS native (the AROS guys can correct me on this), and with Windows running through Parallels vs. Windows running natively. Even old DOS apps running through Windows 95 are slower.
From joe user pov I think on can hardly figure the hit (gui wise), probably on benchmarks or on intensive apps... but it been a while since I ran AROS in linux, can be wrong on my judgment.
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All the developers that worked on OS4 must be really pissed! And all devs that have made keeping the Amiga alive all these years allways carrying a vague hope that the platform would be kept alive and raise again someday.. so much work. I fell sorry for them, specially the ones that coded stuff for OS4! At least the little thing I've been coding as a hobby (various stuff but mostly a C serialization library) will be relatively easy to make it multiplatform, if I ever finish it that is:) I probably won't be able to make any money out of it but hey...
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Aaah, GEOS...
RE Commodore buying Amiga Inc. I would absolutely piss myself.
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cpfuture wrote:
Now I see what Bill McFraud meant when he said Amiga OS 5 would be even better than Mac OS X. I'm going to get rid of it and replace it with Amiga OS 5 and...
What? Oh, so Amiga OS 5 actually *needs* Mac OS X to run on my Mac? And the Mac OS X version of Amiga OS 5 isn't out yet. Oh, OK. I'll bet it'll be worth the wait, though..
;-)
Maybe Amiga will give a suggested config of Yellow Dog Linux as the host OS instead on you Mac! lol With OS X listed only as a possibe, but not suggested setup? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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More and more I'm really convinced that if Amiga has a real future, it is AROS...
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Bill touts his wares here (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/09/ces_video_amiga_explains/) from CES Las Vegas
YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klVneMfBuXc) link in case the above is not available.
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So Amiga Anywhere 2 is the new name for Amiga OS 5 because they wont be allowed to use the name Amiga OS however that site (from ZeBeeDee) seems to imply the full name is Amiga Anywhere OS.
Has anyone been bothered to ask Bill if the new Amiga Anywhere will work on an Amiga??
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@ffastback
Offtopic: Who's the fine looking babe on your avatar? She's :-o
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Tripitaka wrote:
@ffastback
Offtopic: Who's the fine looking babe on your avatar? She's :-o
At a guess - Milla Jovovich
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hardware - OS - AA VM - AOS - app
If this is the case then it's not much better that running UAE and UAE has the advantage of being free.
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UAE might be free but
The Amiga Rom Images are not free (even though people can get them for free they are actually copyrighted)
UAE isnt an OS and the OS isnt free
So to be fair to this new OS it is different to using UAE :-P
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oh my what waste of time amiga anywhere
l want something to run on a amiga computer.
l be buying os 4.0 and running it on my true amiga 1200
made by commodore and ppc card made by phase5 germany.
what have amiga inc (usa ever done ) nothing but talk bs.
sorry but true.
:crazy:
ps early on had haage & partner who did 0s 3.5 and 3.9
great job .
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and hyperion os 4.0 thanks guys great job.
but l whoudint give amiga inc and bill m the time of day.