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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AMC258 on January 07, 2008, 03:48:29 AM
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Okay, I am seriously offended by the OS4 Documentation's misspelling of the work Kernal! They spelled it Kernel! :-P
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I think you will find that it is you who misspelled kernel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computer_science%29).
http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/misspelled.html
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anakirob wrote:
I think you will find that it is you who misspelled kernel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computer_science%29).
http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/misspelled.html
You obviously do not know your Commodore lore. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KERNAL
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From the wikipedia "Kernal" page
The (completely different) OS core in the 16/32-bit Commodore Amiga series was called the Amiga ROM Kernel, using the correct spelling of kernel.
So There!
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BAH! I could write that in Wikipedia too if I wanted. :lol:
In the early days of microcomputers, there were lots of serious spelling errors. A lot of people designing hardware and software weren't necessarily good spellers; and the people doing the documentation didn't necessarily understand the context of things.
One version of the C=64 manual kept referring to the 'reserved words' as 'reversed words', and I always wondered what the heck was backwards about them!
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Check your Amiga manuals and see if it wrong. (it's not)
We are not talking about the C64 we are talking about the Amiga. The "kernel" is called a "kernel" and MODERATOR EDIT - PERSONAL ATTACK
Now lets never speak of this matter again.
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anakirob wrote:
We are not talking about the C64 we are talking about the Amiga. The "kernel" is called a "kernel" and "AMC256" is called "an idiot".
I've learned from this post the Commodore-only word KERNAL. Only knew the other one. But I understand the thread was a JOKE about spelling / misspelling. Don't take it too serious, man! After all, it's only for fun (I thought Amiga is the fun computer)
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Oh hell, watch out for the Cornel, he's always starting trouble.
(http://www.grudge-match.com/Images/kfc.jpg)
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The way things are going with the Friedens suing Hyperion, pretty soon it might be a kerNIL.
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After many years I still do not know what C actually is...
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
After many years I still do not know what C actually is...
C, as in the programming language? It's the follow up to B, silly! ;-)
So what came before B? A? Not quite. Here's the lineage C follows:
ALGOL 58/IAL -> ALGOL 60 -> CPL -> BCPL -> B -> C
I still like the fact that C++ means C+1. Great geeky humour. :-)
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I always liked that the first page in every C manual says something like "C is named after B, which was created by Bell Labs. Now, it's obvious what B is named after isn't it?" And, I'd always think, "NO! It's not! Was it named after Bell Labs or A???? ARGH!!
Algol is cool! C sucks! Actually, it's been years since I remembered what Algol code actually looked like.
Somewhere in a box in my basement, I have a Apple ][ programming book that explains why the Apple Colonel should be called the Apple Core instead. I always thought it was weird that they thought it was called the Colonel! Didn't they mean Kernal? :-P And yes, they did mention the Kernal. And whatever the heck they called the TRaSh-80 base software.
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AMC258 wrote:
I always liked that the first page in every C manual says something like "C is named after B, which was created by Bell Labs. Now, it's obvious what B is named after isn't it?" And, I'd always think, "NO! It's not! Was it named after Bell Labs or A???? ARGH!!
:lol:
AMC258 wrote:
Algol is cool! C sucks! Actually, it's been years since I remembered what Algol code actually looked like.
Never done any ALGOL programming, but I've done some C programming. How clear is it that the two languages are linked? What features did you like with ALGOL coding?
AMC258 wrote:
Somewhere in a box in my basement, I have a Apple ][ programming book that explains why the Apple Colonel should be called the Apple Core instead. I always thought it was weird that they thought it was called the Colonel! Didn't they mean Kernal? :-P And yes, they did mention the Kernal. And whatever the heck they called the TRaSh-80 base software.
Really you can call it whatever you want. It's like the OCS/ECS/AGA chip names which added some extra character to Amigas.
Completely OT, but I wanted to complement you on your sig AMC258, very creative, took me a bit of time before I worked it out. :-)
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Never done any ALGOL programming, but I've done some C programming. How clear is it that the two languages are linked? What features did you like with ALGOL coding?
I'm a Pascal programmer, but I can read and understand C as much as I dislike it. If you know C and Pascal, and you look at Algol, your first thought is that you can see how C and Pascal were both eventually derived from Algol, and you can see how they went totally seperate ways.
Coding in Algol on a big heavy loud old minicomputer is just pure fun. I used to have a Wang the size of 4 A2000's (okay, don't blame me if you don't really know what a Wang is! :roll: ) and I would write really stupid Algol programs on it just because I didn't know what else to do with it. I had free electricity back then and I'd use my Wang to heat my apartment. Mostly it just displayed the boot screen:
W W A N N N GGG
W W A A NNN N G
W W W AAAAA N N N GGGGG
W W W A A N NNN G G
WWW A A N N N GGGG
Completely OT, but I wanted to complement you on your sig AMC258
Thanks! I really appreciate that, I wasn't sure if anyone would care for it. I was pretty tired one night and I was posting something about OS4 and A500's and I typed hSO without even thinking about it! And then, I realised I can type most of the Amiga model names that way and quite a few other words!
PS does anyone remember the billboard ad that said "Don't you wish you had a Harry Wang?"
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@HenryCase
some point that it should be called ++C instead of C++, because IIRC its increased after the operation when you put ++ second (someone will explain it better)
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I still like the fact that C++ means C+1. Great geeky humour. :-)
The ++ is the increment operator. Really C++ means "C incremented".
You can see the same joke when someone refers to XML as SGML--, instead of HTML++.
This thread is getting more and more nerd / geek ... :lol:
I love that!
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I'm a Pascal programmer, but I can read and understand C as much as I dislike it.
Kudos for PASCAL!
Coding in Algol on a big heavy loud old minicomputer is just pure fun. I used to have a Wang the size of 4 A2000's (okay, don't blame me if you don't really know what a Wang is! :roll: ) and I would write really stupid Algol programs on it just because I didn't know what else to do with it. I had free electricity back then and I'd use my Wang to heat my apartment. Mostly it just displayed the boot screen:
:lol:
Thanks! I really appreciate that, I wasn't sure if anyone would care for it. I was pretty tired one night and I was posting something about OS4 and A500's and I typed hSO without even thinking about it! And then, I realised I can type most of the Amiga model names that way and quite a few other words!
It's very easy to figure out your signature: you only have to rotate your TFT... ;-)
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HenryCase wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
After many years I still do not know what C actually is...
C, as in the programming language? It's the follow up to B, silly! ;-)
So what came before B? A? Not quite. Here's the lineage C follows:
ALGOL 58/IAL -> ALGOL 60 -> CPL -> BCPL -> B -> C
I still like the fact that C++ means C+1. Great geeky humour. :-)
C=
(hinthint)
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dfreniche wrote:
I'm a Pascal programmer, but I can read and understand C as much as I dislike it.
Kudos for PASCAL!
Amen to that!
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So, I'm not the last remaining Amiga user using Pascal? We need to band together and help the person who ported FPC to OS4 to finish it and also to find a way to compile 68000 and '020 under OS4. :idea:
My ambitious projects are on hold because I'm too lazy to reboot to OS3.9 to compile! I'm actually thinking about running UAE for this purpose.
Also, help with my projects would be appreciated :-D