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Title: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: Amiduffer on January 03, 2008, 08:31:41 PM: Hi all.

I'm setting up a webpage, and its my first time to try! I'm using plain HTML and not using any WYSIWYG word processors, but making it from scratch so I can get "my hands dirty" so to speak and get comfortable with coding webpages.

The page will mostly be names of performers and a list of the songs they sing with links to digitized MPG video files. Currently the file names look like this: RM HJohnson TakeMyMotherHome.MPG because it looked better on my PC. For the purposes of them being on the web, will I have to use _ or - or remove the spaces in the file name when I link them from the page or are they fine as they are? Thanks.
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: motorollin on January 03, 2008, 08:38:24 PM: Most web servers will automatically handle spaces in filenames, but if you're not sure just put %20 where the space comes and this will be interpreted as a space.

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Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: Amiduffer on January 04, 2008, 12:30:35 AM: I just eliminated the spaces, just for convenience sake.

Take a look, My first designed webpage (http://wlym.com/~oakland/concert.html) :-D
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: motorollin on January 04, 2008, 09:52:06 AM: Glad to see you're learning the code. I hate those "WYSIWYG" editors. Generally I find them to be "WYSIWTSWYTG" - "What You See Is What The Software Wants You To Get". I much prefer to hand-craft any sites I create. Most people don't believe me when they ask me what software I use to create web sites and I tell them "TextEdit" ;-)

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Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: Amiduffer on January 04, 2008, 06:22:57 PM: What websites have you designed?
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: motorollin on January 04, 2008, 06:40:55 PM: Only internal stuff actually. I used to design web apps for the company I worked for, and I wrote everything in PHP using notepad. I stopped doing that when I realised it is very, very boring.

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Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: adz on January 05, 2008, 01:23:43 AM: Just took a quick peek as your code and you seem to, in some places, have used a
when you should have used a
. Might cause you some grief further down the track. As for the site, a little bit of CSS could help you clean it up and make it easier to change later. You could also use PHP to read the contents of certain directories and create the links automatically for you. Good luck and most of all, have fun :-)
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: whabang on January 05, 2008, 01:17:32 PM: Quote

motorollin wrote:
Most people don't believe me when they ask me what software I use to create web sites and I tell them "TextEdit" ;-)

:love:
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: JaXanim on January 05, 2008, 09:01:51 PM: Quote

Amiduffer wrote:
I just eliminated the spaces, just for convenience sake.

Take a look, My first designed webpage (http://wlym.com/~oakland/concert.html) :-D

A good start. Only error I noted is the word video's used for the plural. It should be videos. Spelling and punctuation on webpages must be perfect.

JaX
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on January 06, 2008, 01:15:34 AM: Quote

whabang wrote:
Quote

motorollin wrote:
Most people don't believe me when they ask me what software I use to create web sites and I tell them "TextEdit" ;-)

:love:
urgh, I prefer some programming environment...
/me is lazy programmer, yet I code in assembly too...

oh, and if there's something dirty, it's webdesign, especially by 'hand'...
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: whabang on January 06, 2008, 11:32:02 AM: I still think that Notepad is the best web-design application Microsoft have ever made. ;-)
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: motorollin on January 06, 2008, 04:13:57 PM: Quote
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
oh, and if there's something dirty, it's webdesign, especially by 'hand'...

I disagree. Looking at the code generated by WYSIWIG editors is terrifying. The amount of unnecessary crap that get added to code is just amazing! Efficiently coding the site by hand is much cleaner IMO. I like to write my web sites/apps in PHP in the following structure:

require('header.php');
//Content of page
require('footer.php');

?>

The header and footer pages contain content which is common to all pages, and the header also sets up variables for things like fonts, colours etc. Then when I want to use a standard style element from the site's theme I just echo the appropriate variable. If I want to modify the site's theme I just change the value of the variable in the header and it changes on all pages. Voila! CSS without CSS! :-D

I think that's pretty clean :-)

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Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on January 06, 2008, 05:04:33 PM: Moto, you missed my point,
I stated that html and the whole web bunch is in general utterly messy if you want 'more'.
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: motorollin on January 07, 2008, 01:33:01 PM: You mean if you want to give more than is offered by HTML? That's not so messy. There's always Flash. Or Shockwave. Or Javascript. Or Java. Or Silverlight. Or any number of other technologies on the web, each of which has its own plugin and its own requirements.

Oh, right... ;-)

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moto
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on January 07, 2008, 01:45:45 PM: Please! No more! Make it stop!
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: motorollin on January 07, 2008, 01:56:47 PM: ActionScript? :-P

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moto
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on January 07, 2008, 02:03:43 PM: Quote

motorollin wrote:
ActionScript? :-P

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moto
*faints
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: Amiduffer on January 09, 2008, 06:22:21 AM: Quote

adz wrote:
Just took a quick peek as your code and you seem to, in some places, have used a
when you should have used a
. Might cause you some grief further down the track. As for the site, a little bit of CSS could help you clean it up and make it easier to change later. You could also use PHP to read the contents of certain directories and create the links automatically for you. Good luck and most of all, have fun :-)

Thank you for pointing that out. I'm probably getting that by carelessly using copy and paste.

Quote
Only internal stuff actually. I used to design web apps for the company I worked for, and I wrote everything in PHP using notepad. I stopped doing that when I realised it is very, very boring.

:lol:

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A good start. Only error I noted is the word video's used for the plural. It should be videos. Spelling and punctuation on webpages must be perfect.

Whoops, thanks for the correction. :oops:
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: persia on January 15, 2008, 07:44:26 PM: Real programmers don't do static webpages

:smack:
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on January 15, 2008, 08:03:14 PM: Quote

persia wrote:
Real programmers don't do static webpages

:smack:
Hear! Hear! :-D
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: Amiduffer on January 19, 2008, 09:26:41 PM: I object! My site has no static! It is 100% guaranteed static free. Lots of content too.
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: Amiduffer on April 16, 2008, 07:52:18 PM: Hello everyone.

I've got most of the site finished as far as uploading most of the content that I have on hand, somewhat. However, there's a lot I still want to change and need some advice.

I plan on getting a better PC in the future in order to make better digitized video from these old VHS tapes. My P3 can only handle the lowest level MPG which isn't that good. Also, I want to change the format of the site, so that you have a choice of the way it is currently, and another site that will be formated around the way the concert performances happened in the order that they happened, and my question is, is there some way to set up a button, in order to play a sequence of videos? The other choice is to put the concert together in one big file, cutting out all the intermission time, performers going off stage, etc. which would mean a pretty big file.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: General advice about HTML needed please
Post by: persia on April 17, 2008, 02:37:13 AM: The opposite of static is dynamic, are you generating the html from PHP or another server side language?