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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: A1260 on January 02, 2008, 11:38:44 PM
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According to a response to AmiTV email Bill McEven has answered him with these reply's.....
Announcing at CES in Las Vegas next week and we will go public at that time.
and
We are announcing at Digital Experience which is a private invitation only event for the press.
more here
http://tinyurl.com/yvrxjf
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go public at that time.
Hopefully that means stock exchange. Then they'll be publically accountable for their bad business decisions.
Remember the Commodore Shareholders' Movement from right before the bankruptcy? Might be worth getting that idea out of mothballs...
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Wow the GREAT BILL has spoken :bow: :bow: :bow:
Let all know that since he said it right there in the Email then it must be true. man Apple and Microsoft must be trembling right now, probably begging them not to release this revolutionary OS that will outsell them both combined within a month and destroy them both.... UH ok sooooo maybe a little too sarcastic? :-P :lol: :lol:
Well anyways OS5 huh? I highly doubt it'll be better than OSX or XP or Vista or Windows 98 for that matter, AND that is if it is even released at all. Pretty sad when they make an announcement and we automatically assume they're blowin smoke up our a$$, but they did it to themselves. Long Live Amiga (the computer), and long...jump outta here Bill. :-D :-D :-D
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Apart from the fact that I do not believe a single word:
What we need is new hardware, damn it! :madashell:
Personally, I have no interest in yet another operating system I can't get working on my 15 year old Classic.
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Good hoax! :roflmao:
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@Krischan76
I agree new hardware (whether accelerator card or brand new mobo) would make for a better announcement. However, any signs that progress is being made at AInc would be astounding to me, so that's what I'm hoping for. Hoping, certainly not expecting.
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I'm starting to think that A1260 is Bill E.
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Well, CES is next week. I think it'll be cool if something big happened there. Amiga hasn't been to CES in forever. I don't know what the "go public" thing means, though, in this context. Is it just restating the CES announcement thing and being redundant or is it about some kind of IPO type deal?
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Umm..well I just went to the CES website to look at the exibitor list and
guess what I did not see Amiga INC..on the list.
Just an FYI..
:-)
Rich
ny
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Vlabguy1 wrote:
Umm..well I just went to the CES website to look at the exibitor list and
guess what I did not see Amiga INC..on the list.
Just an FYI..
The "announcement" will be made in a private press event at CES, read the first post.
BTW, from the last Q&A with McEwen
38) When can we expect any new announcements?
I would prefer not answering this question. It is not about announcements, it is about delivering products.
:roflmao:
Saluditos,
Ferrán.
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Announcing at CES in Las Vegas next week and we will go public at that time.
What.... more card games for mobile phones?
A search of registered exibitors and press events for CES 2008 shows no hits for Amiga, Kmos or Amino. I'm going to be very sarcastic and say any one attending CES from Amiga Inc. is registering as a visitor just like any of us "little people". CES ends Jan 10th. Lots of time to burn up a few threads about it anyway.
Plaz
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I don't know what the "go public" thing means,
Droping trow in front of the Micrsoft exibit and mooning the crowd? :lol:
I may need help explaining that to non-native english readers.
Plaz
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Got it thanks for the clarificatioin. So its a private press event..
Should be interesting.
Rich
ny
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I'm not trying to be negative here, but who cares about "OS5"????
OS4 exists RIGHT NOW. and for some HW is available RIGHT NOW. Now THAT is worth getting excited about.
some mythical OS5 may or may not be available for who knows How long.
Until I can hold it in my hands, please don't bother me....
Thank you
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Yea,
Most of us here cant even run OS4! I think OS5 might be jumping the gun a little bit?
It seems like AINC is only interested in the community when they seem to be low on cash and desperate. trying to make a quick buck.
Ex:
-The $50 coupon
They dont seem to have any interest in actually supporting the community by giving small efforts that might actually gradually increase the user base
Ex: OS4 for the Mac Mini
You guys have little to no user base at this point! You will never make money on this IP. Will you please open source it and give up!
I'll start a bounty
:lol:
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I highly doubt it'll be better than OSX or XP or Vista or Windows 98 for that matter
Why do you doubt it? When Workbench 3 and above are already better than the alternatives (I can only assume what OS4 is like as I don't have PPC)!
In case you have not noticed all the latest versions of Win and MacOS are sluggish and unintuitive next to the humble Workbench.
If you mean "better" in terms of sales, then you would probably be right.
If you mean "better" as in ease of use, flexiblity, efficiency with it's usage of system resources, or even just prettiness. You would be waaay wrong.
So there!
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Um uhhh hhhhhaa.... Is it April yet? lol (as I play with my amazing Amiga 1000....) lol
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Will they have T-shirts?
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I feel a movement in the force as though a million past Amiga users just went "...meh!".
Ah, nope, never mind - its just indigestion.
:-D
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So as soon as we all get out teeth into OS4 he talks about the 5th?! That's soul destroying. Christ's sake give it at-least a year! :evil:
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Where is OS 4.5, 4.7? 4.8!??!!
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TjLaZer wrote:
Where is OS 4.5, 4.7? 4.8!??!!
*snort*
Where's OS4?
:roflmao:
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I just read a bit of the AmigaWorld thread and noticed, coloured by healthy Amiga.Org scepticism, that AmiTV's english is EXTREMELY broken and when he quotes Bill the same goes for him. I find it hard to believe that AmiTV could break Bills english simply by qouting him.. Unless Bill has nothing to do with it, in which case it`s just a hoax (emmmhh..)
Not that it matters.. Even if it was true it would never be.. :crazy:
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OMG OS5. What will it run on? Everything and nothing?
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oh crap (can l say that to late..) the 2 bills
its good night from him . and good night from him.
maybe hes going to do some singing .... like the wedding singer.
l purpose 2 song choices .. do you really want to hurt me
(culture club)
you give love a bad name
(bon jovi)
except it be you give pcs a bad name
or bill chould get down with his bad self and sing super freak.
that be worth watching on u tube he he :crazy:
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april the 1st came early this year!!
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Another announcement announcing an announcement. I do wonder what wonderful hardware OS5 will be running on.
:-)
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cpfuture wrote:
Another announcement announcing an announcement. I do wonder what wonderful hardware OS5 will be running on.
:-)
Quoting Bill@Amiga.com :
OS5 scales to its host hardware, so anything from mobile phones through stbs, consoles up to servers. Initially covering software hosts Windows-D, Windows Mobile, Linux-D, Linux-E and Symbian for x86 and ARM, and possibly any high profile hardware host.
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Hmmmm......
:popcorn:
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Everblue wrote:
OMG OS5. What will it run on?
I guess the only device it will ever run on is his crude imagination... :roll:
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Yeah sure,
nobody ever gets through to AI, but AmiTV the Great Inquirer gets an email answer out of Bill McE in less than an hour - seems to be a simple matter of asking politely... :crazy:
This is a hoax, nothing else. Not a good one either.
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I really think that Amiga Inc is just a company now that is having fun dribbling crap and seeing the reaction of people. Maybe a psychology experiment on how long you can string people along by dangling the proverbial carrot.
I smell a new movie "This is Spinal Amiga" or "This is Amiga Tap" First it was a ficticious band, now it's a computer!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Like Burns in Simpsons watching the windows cleaner fall to his death and laughs about it.
It is the only thing that makes sense.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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As somebody noted on another site, AmigaOS 5 keeps being "announced" every other year since 1998:
http://www.news.com/2100-1001-211258.html
Nothing new here. And you still believe this man?
For a change, why doesn't Bill tell us what he did with the money from the $100 Party Pack and $50 I am Amiga Club coupon money? Did he use it to buy Christmas presents (http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1051799407&category=forum), a Maserati car (http://merlancia.us/amigaauction/billsnewcar.jpg) and other expensive gadgets (like "a V-Twin 1500cc Victory Motorcycle, a Polaris Quad, three horses, a ski boat and a John Deere Tractor (http://amigadocuments.googlepages.com/2001-06-04_fr-planet_interview-bill-.pdf)") while his employees couldn't pay their medical bills?
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"go public at that time."
insert you own picture of a lavatory here! :lol:
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Oh boys, it is true !!
OS5 will run on the new A2 boards that will be released February this year. They uses 8 Cell processors running at 10GHz each, have 16Gb of RAM and are water cooled.
You can install them on any ATX tower big enough to fit the Ford T radiator that comes with the kit, and have either a 10kW power supply or a Diesel generator.
OS5 is so fast that only Chuck Norris can use it.
:-? :-? :-? :-? :-?
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OS5 is so fast that only Chuck Norris can use it.
Damm I just spat coffee everywhere. That is so funny.
Ive got massive emails of one liners about chuck norris and Mr T. So funny.
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Ok, at what date and time is Biill gonna drop the OS5 bomb?
And above all,
WHO WILL DO DO LIVETEXT!
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Hyperion tell us they will be pushing OS4. (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47239)
Elbox adds more fuel to the flames. (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47240)
Then AInc announce OS....5?
This smells like they lost a court case allready.
No AInc. on CES list...LOL, perhaps hey are not announcing themselves but have made a deal with someone else who is on the list.
Mmmm.....food for thought.
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Bill who ?
:-P
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weirdami wrote:
Well, CES is next week. I think it'll be cool if something big happened there. Amiga hasn't been to CES in forever.
I'd hardly call 1984 forever. It's only 24 years.
Or was it '83 they showed as Amiga Inc for the final time?
Meh - call it what it is: A scant quarter-century since they have shown at CES.
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May 17, 1998
Amiga OS 4.0 will be released this November, a hybrid of the former Amiga OS. Amiga 5.0 is expected in early 1999. Schindler speculated that the upcoming Amiga platform may incorporate code from the Linux OS, BeOS, or Java platforms.
os4.0 is out the door for classic and newer hw(a1), next is os5.0...
anyway amiga inc got bankrupt, taken to court, missed some dates and still crawling forward. after all this time the amiga wagon is still on schedule & rockin!!! ;-)
show the man some respect and....
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A1260 wrote:
show the man some respect and....
Hmmm....I wonder which one runs better then: OS5 or BigMac's mouth. :roll:
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Hi there to all of you Amigans,
This is my first post here so let me say that I am praud Amiga owner since 2005. I owned Amiga500 back in 90-ties, but then A1200 was to expensive for me. So few years ago I have decided to catch up some lost Amiga time. So here I am.
Regarding this subject (topic) let me say that one image speaks thousand words:
http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/38452/2000276380007714185_rs.jpg
or direct link:
http://www.cesweb.org/search/BDMsearchResults.asp?keyword=amiga
Very sad, indeed....
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spihunter wrote:
Yea,
Most of us here cant even run OS4! I think OS5 might be jumping the gun a little bit?
.........
You guys have little to no user base at this point! You will never make money on this IP. Will you please open source it and give up!
I don't know if the rumors of an announcement at a closed press event at CES are true or not but "New hardware is indeed being developed, and we have selected the first 3rd party manufacturer that will build in high quantities, and yes, this new hardware is being delayed because OS 4.0 is needed to complete the package and to resolve certain technical issues. As I said before, no one wants OS 4.0 shipping more than Amiga."
I too can't run OS 4. I won't spend $900 for a used PPC accelerator but I can justify spending $900 on a new machine with OS or slightly more with monitor. I hope they do announce something. I love the look of OS 4 but 68K Amigas can't run it and PPC Amigas are hard to come by.
We only have to wait until Jan 7th or 8th to find out for sure.
-Nyle
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anyway amiga inc got bankrupt,
No, it was never in bankruptcy.
taken to court,
Yup, Genesi took them to court and won. They AI took Hyperion to court.
and still crawling forward.
Maybe crawling forward in the courts, nothing much else is moving forward that has the boingball logo.
Dammy
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A1260 wrote:
after all this time the amiga wagon is still on schedule & rockin!!!
Come on man, now your clearly trolling - that's one hell of a schedule if you call ten years late 'on schedule'... :crazy:
@all
It seems most of you are overlooking that the claim for the announcement was in no way official, it was AmiTV's hoax to start with. :rtfm:
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Nyle,
I take it you missed out on the t-shirt coupon offer and the Kent Center debacle...
Nice to see you around.
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Quoted from a 1999 IRC chat between members of the Danish Amiga Channel (#amigadk) and Dr. Allan Havemose
Trez asks: will you put "powered by amiga" on every product that is amiga based? I don't know how cool it would be to say "I have an amiga" "oh.... my dishwasher is an amiga too"..
We want the "powered by Amiga" to become pervasive.
Trez again.. : Will you be making official "We Told You So! - Amiga Is Back" t-shirts when OS5 is out? =)
:) good idea. We'll see. We'll find a way to celebrate
Are the t-shirts vaporware just like OS5 was/is? :lol:
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@AeroMan
:lol::lol::lol:
Check out my new sig, it was too good to pass up! :-D
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I'd love to be proven wrong, but there will be no OS5 announcement.
12 months from now, I'll still be using OS X and always thinking to myself, that OS X and what the Mac is now is what Amiga could've been if things didn't go down the pooper all those years ago.
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Initially covering software hosts Windows-D, Windows Mobile, Linux-D, Linux-E and Symbian for x86 and ARM
Why does this sound like AmigaDE all over again and not a full OS?
Plaz
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Plaz wrote:
Initially covering software hosts Windows-D, Windows Mobile, Linux-D, Linux-E and Symbian for x86 and ARM
Why does this sound like AmigaDE all over again and not a full OS?
Plaz
My guess is that it's AmigaDE ported to Inferno, Java or QNX.
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Finally someone intelligent enough to mention os5 is HOSTED :lol:
os5 is a joke, just as Ainc is joke. If it was serious business, Ainc would be up there and selling stuff. As far as I'm concerned, Dennis is Amiga right now. He alone woke up the community.
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A1260 wrote:
anyway amiga inc got bankrupt, taken to court, missed some dates and still crawling forward.
Of course. What more could one expect from a çoçkroach? Only to crawl forward. You know, they are known to resist nearly everything... :-D:-D:-D
Saluditos,
Ferrán.
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@HenryCase
Nice Sig ! Let's Make a Chuck Norris vs Bill (choose your favorite one). Would be awesome on Celebrity Deathmatch :-D
There is a part of me that still believes OS5 will happens and will come with a new machine also.
Unfortunately, it is the same part that still believes the police will find my car stolen last October...
:-(
But let's wait and see. Hope is the last one to die
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JJ wrote:
OS5 is so fast that only Chuck Norris can use it.
Damm I just spat coffee everywhere. That is so funny.
Ive got massive emails of one liners about chuck norris and Mr T. So funny.
hay dont get chuck angrey ;-( he do those karate moves on you.
:crazy:
oh that other guy quote about the motorbike and tractor hmm vtwin sounds like tractor too.
gee the thing l never understood about some amiga people is how come u got riped of and u said nothing dam l got angry
as . and those people sent there amiga ppc cards and never got hem back hello dam..
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JJ wrote:
OS5 is so fast that only Chuck Norris can use it.
Damm I just spat coffee everywhere. That is so funny.
Ive got massive emails of one liners about chuck norris and Mr T. So funny.
hay dont get chuck angrey ;-( he do those karate moves on you.
:crazy:
oh that other guy quote about the motorbike and tractor hmm vtwin sounds like tractor too.
gee the thing l never understood about some amiga people is how come u got riped of and u said nothing dam l got angry
as . and those people sent there amiga ppc cards and never got hem back hello dam..
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2 days left for the bomb to drop O_o
It begins.....
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Just to set the record straight Amiga Inc has never actually produced a product that would run on Amiga equipment nor has it ever attended CES. Amiga Inc produces 15 games for PCs and does outsourced dotNet development in India. They bought the Amiga name, but that's it. Get over it.
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people are getting to negative here. have faith, be positive and...
(http://pici.se/pictures/HbxGdjcyY.gif)
:bow:
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OMG 1.5 days left!
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The problem is that the only prgrammers Amiga inc has are ..... OMG Amiga OS 5 is dotNet code!!!!!
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Amiga INC Announcing OS5.0 at CES in Las Vegas next week!
Yeah Sure.. :roflmao:
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KrasH wrote:
12 months from now, I'll still be using OS X and always thinking to myself, that OS X and what the Mac is now is what Amiga could've been if things didn't go down the pooper all those years ago.
Yuck!!
If Amiga OS was like OSX, I'd be using Linux!
Save the Amiga!! .... from Mac users. :evil:
No offence, but I hate the Mac OS comparisons. You just can't "get under the bonnet" with a Mac like you can with the Amiga. It's not the same beast at all.
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Tripitaka wrote:
If Amiga OS was like OSX, I'd be using Linux!
I Agree with the "under the bonnet". Macs are nice but they are so locked...
Linux is more command line than GUI (no offence, its just my personal opinion), and I feel the Amiga is more GUI than CLI. You can do almost everything from Workbench, while on Linux you will have to type something sooner or later.
Amiga OS RKMs are really nice also. I've suffered to find nice info on Linux...
I would choose the Mac. It is no Amiga, but I like it :-)
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What can't you do "under the bonnet" of an Mac? I keep a couple terminal windows open on the Mac's I administer. There's a full BASH shell there which is a heck of a lot more than Amiga provides...
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Heya...
I think you could do a fair bit of, "under the bonnet", work on a mac.
I don't have a mac but I installed OS10.4.8 on my AMD X2. I had to do a fair bit of tweaking to get accelerated graphics, sound and network to function. I really enjoyed the experiment, and no, I don't own a legit copy, so I got rid of the project after a little while.
Sure does make me want to buy a mac though...
ON TOPIC...
I don't think Amiga Inc will produce anything, I would be surprised if they even bother to produce another announcement.
my $0.02
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My guess is this;
They will announce OS5 alright.
It will be available soon.
But
it will just be a replacement for TAO. Licensed off the shelf from somewhere. All the crappy games they have will be ported to it for free by their respective owners. The only thing Amiga will do is package up the games for sale like they did for the TAO.
So absolutely nothing will have changed.
Amino keep selling 10 games a week.
Kouri keeps his vehicle for shady deals.
Amino carry on doing everything in their power to kill OS4 and any other none 'DE' activity in the real Amiga market.
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latest.....
(http://pici.se/pictures/lEKacBCdU.jpg)
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@ A1260
:roflmao:
Dammy
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@A1260
:laughing:
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Tripitaka wrote:
You just can't "get under the bonnet" with a Mac like you can with the Amiga.
Sorry but that's ridiculous. Have you ever tried to get under the bonnet on a Mac? If you had, you would realise that it is entirely possible, even moreso than Amiga OS. Mac OS X is essentially BSD with a pretty face. But the guts of BSD is still there. You still have root access, so you can do whatever you want.
Tripitaka wrote:
If Amiga OS was like OSX, I'd be using Linux!
That statement is contradictory. Mac OS X is more similar to Linux than it is to Amiga OS. Getting under the bonnet of Mac OS X is similar to getting under the bonnet in Linux.
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moto
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@A1260/c64_d0c
At least you could give credit to the original poster, (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=25137&forum=17&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0#420809) c64_d0c errr... I mean A1260.
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motorollin wrote:
Tripitaka wrote:
You just can't "get under the bonnet" with a Mac like you can with the Amiga.
Sorry but that's ridiculous. Have you ever tried to get under the bonnet on a Mac? If you had, you would realise that it is entirely possible, even moreso than Amiga OS. Mac OS X is essentially BSD with a pretty face. But the guts of BSD is still there. You still have root access, so you can do whatever you want.
Maybe I should have worded that better. Try this: Getting under the bonnet of a Mac is not as much fun or as intuitive as an Amiga. The Mac gives you the tools but if I could be bothered to play with a Mac in this way I may as well use Linux.
Tripitaka wrote:
If Amiga OS was like OSX, I'd be using Linux!
That statement is contradictory. Mac OS X is more similar to Linux than it is to Amiga OS. Getting under the bonnet of Mac OS X is similar to getting under the bonnet in Linux.
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moto[/quote]
Yes it is, but Linux is free. Therefore, I may as well use it in preference to Mac OS. Not contradictory at all, just economics.
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Tripitaka wrote:
Getting under the bonnet of a Mac is not as much fun or as intuitive as an Amiga.
Of course that is a matter of opinion, and I actually agree with you. But that doesn't mean you can't do it on a Mac :-)
Tripitaka wrote:
The Mac gives you the tools but if I could be bothered to play with a Mac in this way I may as well use Linux.
Fair enough. But IMO, what is great about Mac OS X is that everything works out of the box, and is easy and fun to use, but lets you get under the bonnet if you want. Compared to a lot of Linux distros, which can be quite obtuse in daily use, forcing you to tweak under the bonnet even if you don't want to. Having said that, I do acknowledge that several more modern distros are much more friendly to the casual user (Ubuntu comes to mind). Though I challenge anyone to use Linux as their main OS and never have to go under the bonnet.
Getting off the point a little, but this is all relevant to my opinion of OS X :-)
Tripitaka wrote:
Yes it is, but Linux is free. Therefore, I may as well use it in preference to Mac OS. Not contradictory at all, just economics.
Ahh, well that's a different story entirely :-) The part of OS X that you pay for is the nice easy front end. If that's not important to you, then of course don't bother buying it ;-)
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moto
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Come on man, now your clearly trolling - that's one hell of a schedule if you call ten years late 'on schedule'... :crazy:
Please define "trolling". I see this term scattered about the forums quite liberally but I do not know what it means.
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Though I challenge anyone to use Linux as their main OS and never have to go under the bonnet.
I use Ubuntu daily at the office by choice. I haven't had to go under the bonnet for anything. I am using a Dell Latitude D630 and everything just works. Now if "under the bonnet" means installing apps via the command line versus the GUI then yes I have.. it's faster to type "sudo apt-get install xxxx" than to have to wade around in the GUI. However, this is not a necessity.
With that said, my computer at home is a MacBook Pro. Though I think my next computer will be a Dell Latitude of some sort with Ubuntu. I would rather save $600-700 and get a faster machine.
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Trolling - Posting just to get a flame war started. As in Trolling for an argument.
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Trolling for an argument? I think you're thinking of 'trawling for an argument' there. ;-)
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gdanko wrote:
Though I challenge anyone to use Linux as their main OS and never have to go under the bonnet.
I use Ubuntu daily at the office by choice. I haven't had to go under the bonnet for anything. I am using a Dell Latitude D630 and everything just works. Now if "under the bonnet" means installing apps via the command line versus the GUI then yes I have.. it's faster to type "sudo apt-get install xxxx" than to have to wade around in the GUI. However, this is not a necessity.
With that said, my computer at home is a MacBook Pro. Though I think my next computer will be a Dell Latitude of some sort with Ubuntu. I would rather save $600-700 and get a faster machine.
And with the news from Colanto, you will be able to have a easier, better Amiga emulation experience over Linux with AmigaForever 2008 on that new Dell.
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odin wrote:
Trolling for an argument? I think you're thinking of 'trawling for an argument' there. ;-)
:-D Nice try troll but that trawl won't work on me. :-P
What is a Troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll)
Nobody said the Internet community knew proper Inglish. W00T NooB
L8R.
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One of the things I'm trying to do at my job is do away with the MS WIndows servers and replace them with a combination of X Serve and Suse machines. Dos prompt is so limited when compared to Terminal on a Mac or Linux box and it so hard to tweak it.
The mice thing about Mac is they give you some great GUI tools without taking away the terminal.
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persia wrote:
One of the things I'm trying to do at my job is do away with the MS WIndows servers and replace them with a combination of X Serve and Suse machines. Dos prompt is so limited when compared to Terminal on a Mac or Linux box and it so hard to tweak it.
SuSe OES2 is an amazing server OS. Easy to manage and Novell's support of SuSe gets better every day. I'd say by the time SuSe OES3 comes out Novell will have blended the best of their products fully into the best that Linux has to offer. Definitely a good pick for server OS.
As for Mac, I won't be a troll.
-Nyle
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Tripitaka wrote:
The Mac gives you the tools but if I could be bothered to play with a Mac in this way I may as well use Linux.
Fair enough. But IMO, what is great about Mac OS X is that everything works out of the box, and is easy and fun to use, but lets you get under the bonnet if you want. Compared to a lot of Linux distros, which can be quite obtuse in daily use, forcing you to tweak under the bonnet even if you don't want to. Having said that, I do acknowledge that several more modern distros are much more friendly to the casual user (Ubuntu comes to mind). Though I challenge anyone to use Linux as their main OS and never have to go under the bonnet.
I would beg to differ on the need to "get under the bonnet" when devoting your desktop to Linux. Ubuntu has yet to require me to do such a thing. I am a Mac user as well - however I am beginning to be one who is really shifting away. Primarily due to personal politics - be careful about what you ask for with Apple. Not to sound like a wacko but what is the difference between Apple and M$ business model?? - One just had the leg up in world domination I guess. The other could get there, however the machines will look cooler I guess.
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Though I challenge anyone to use Linux as their main OS and never have to go under the bonnet.
I challenge you to do the same w/the outdated OS the Amiga runs on now. The Amiga OS as it is is comprised of hacks/kludges on top of a very old operating system.
I use Linux as my primary operating system and am comfortable taking it under the knife.
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Wow, this has gone sooo off topic.
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I Challenge everyone to use Amiga OS5 !!
(that will be difficult to do, but we're back to the topic :-D )
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Debaser wrote:
I would beg to differ on the need to "get under the bonnet" when devoting your desktop to Linux. Ubuntu has yet to require me to do such a thing.
Interesting. Might give Ubuntu another try under Parallels :-)
Debaser wrote:
be careful about what you ask for with Apple. Not to sound like a wacko but what is the difference between Apple and M$ business model?? - One just had the leg up in world domination I guess.
To be frank, I don't care. Their business model is of no concern to me as long as they deliver products I like at a price I can afford.
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TheMagicM wrote:
Though I challenge anyone to use Linux as their main OS and never have to go under the bonnet.
I challenge you to do the same w/the outdated OS the Amiga runs on now. The Amiga OS as it is is comprised of hacks/kludges on top of a very old operating system.
I never said you didn't have to do this with the Amiga. In fact, I agreed that it was entirely possible (and fun). There's no way I would want to use Amiga OS without any hacking/patching.
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L.O.L.
OS5, it comes out when Hell melts... :lol:
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Not to sound like a wacko but what is the difference between Apple and M$ business model??
Apple is about dominating on their own systems. Microsoft is about forcing other companies to bend to their will and dominate other companies systems.
Apple is not a monopoly for it cannot dominate the marketplace of system vendors so long as it only controls a system it makes. That is the key difference. Don't like Apples systems, buy from someone else. Don't like Microsofts system, well, meet the Windows tax and the bs that goes with it.
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Back on topic - AmigaOS 5 is AmigaAnywhere 2
Reghardware on AmigaOS 5 (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/07/ces_amiga_os_5_surfaces/)
So it will apparently run Workbench and all apps in a layer over top of another OS. So is custom chipset emulation possible as well? If so it could be interesting to run it on new hardware. I'd hope that they'd work with VMWare to be able to run it without another host OS though I guess we could run it over a little Linux Kernal.
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@ Nlandas
We all expected that one I think. :cry:
I'm looking for AInc to die aout now. .... :madashell:
My hopes must now lie with Hyperion for a real Amiga OS, at least they whant it to live.
Ainc. = :horse:
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Nlandas wrote:
Back on topic - AmigaOS 5 is AmigaAnywhere 2
Reghardware on AmigaOS 5 (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/07/ces_amiga_os_5_surfaces/)
So it will apparently run Workbench and all apps in a layer over top of another OS. So is custom chipset emulation possible as well? If so it could be interesting to run it on new hardware. I'd hope that they'd work with VMWare to be able to run it without another host OS though I guess we could run it over a little Linux Kernal.
What Workbench? This is a whole new OS, no compat with the classic is involved.
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If they show us a "better than OS4" Workbench, I might be impressed.
We will see...
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downix wrote:
Nlandas wrote:
Back on topic - AmigaOS 5 is AmigaAnywhere 2
Reghardware on AmigaOS 5 (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/07/ces_amiga_os_5_surfaces/)
So it will apparently run Workbench and all apps in a layer over top of another
What Workbench? This is a whole new OS, no compat with the classic is involved.
Well I haven't used AmigaAnywhere myself but "The point for AmigaOS buffs is that AmigaAnywhere 2 effectively starts up a virtual machine, boots AmigaOS and runs the code on top of that. And that makes it perfectly possible for Amiga lovers to fire it up and run the familiar Amiga GUI instead of the game." According to the article this is the AmigaOS kernel running over a host OS and Workbench could be run on top of it.
If this is the case, then I'm a little confused why none of us seem to be Interested in new RISC hardware running AmigaAnywhere with an enhanced AmigaOS GUI. I guess my only concern is custom chipset emulation so I can run most of my old software while I wait for new. We all know there needs to be a clean break at some point - Dave Haynie even wanted a break from the old custom chips the last I read him on the groups when C= went belly up.
So IF, big IF, Amiga Inc could actually release a new RISC based board with modern hardware, with a small preboot kernel that then loaded up AmigaAnywhere and the AmigaGUI and added some emulation layer for older applications - No one is interested? Will we all only accept a classic Amiga clone running an updated classic AmigaOS? I for one would be happy to have a new platform out even if it's not 100% classic Amiga, if it has any of the original Amiga flair I'd love to see it on the market.
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I agree..... but I whant to see it. The Workbench should be at least as good as OS4 in order to convince amiga users that the product is wothwhile. If this is not the case then what advantage over UAE is there?
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Argo wrote:
Wow, this has gone sooo off topic.
This thread (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=33666) is now this thread. :-)
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Tripitaka wrote:
I agree..... but I whant to see it. The Workbench should be at least as good as OS4 in order to convince amiga users that the product is wothwhile. If this is not the case then what advantage over UAE is there?
We are in 100% agreement. If it's WB 3.1 then it's a step backwards but if you think about it - why would OS 4.0 be delaying their release of a new OS/hardware - unless they want to use the new workbench over their "retargetable" OS Kernel.
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So I guess that leaves us with that infamous court case again. :crazy: ARGH! :crazy:
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Tripitaka wrote:
So I guess that leaves us with that infamous court case again. :crazy: ARGH! :crazy:
Doesn't the court case amounts to is Amiga Inc(KMOS) saying, thanks we'll pay you for what you've done - now we'll take it from here. I mean after all, they probably want OS 4 for classic to be the last classic run directly on the old classic hardware, albeit with PPC, OS released.
From now on, they'll want new development to take place on their new "retragetable" platform.
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Nlandas wrote:
Doesn't the court case amounts to is Amiga Inc(KMOS) saying, thanks we'll pay you for what you've done - now we'll take it from here.
I think that's down to the courts now. Hyperion would not agree with your view I am sure.
However it turns out I would just like to see some movement in our somewhat stagnated platform.
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Ultimately it's Acer's call since they own the IP, Amiga Inc only has license to the IP...
Amiga Inc, the next SCO...
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It was clear from the beginning (a long time ago, in a galaxy far away) that OS4 by Hyperion and OS5 by AI would be two completely different products. As I remember it, "OS5" is not compatible with AmigaOS (1-4) at all, and it runs on its own dedicated hardware (read: standard PCs and mobiles).
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Tripitaka wrote:
Nlandas wrote:
Doesn't the court case amounts to is Amiga Inc(KMOS) saying, thanks we'll pay you for what you've done - now we'll take it from here.
I think that's down to the courts now. Hyperion would not agree with your view I am sure.
However it turns out I would just like to see some movement in our somewhat stagnated platform.
I'm sure that Hyperion wouldn't. They'd like to keep developing the classic OS for a classic type platform. I do think that it is fair for them to expect to receive fair payment for all that they've done. However, they don't own the rights to the IP and license from everything we hear can be pulled in the future.
They can not like it all they want but other than dragging this out in court what cards do they really hold?
That said, I too would love to see some movement in our platform. I'm even willing to make a clean break with the classic OS, if the new OS has some backwards compatibility and is a real alternative to Windoze and Mac BSD.
-Nyle