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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Gwion on December 21, 2007, 08:29:20 PM
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I have got a Amiga A600 for x-mas and I was wondering what i could use it for.
The specs are found here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=130182879878&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=003
Thanks in Advance for Any help
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Ummm....er....running all the Amiga stuff you already run on your other "wedge" Amigas?
Seriously though. With a internal hard drive it makes a nice little computer for doing Tracker based music (ProTracker, OctaMED), MIDI sequencing (Music-X, Dr. T's KCS), or Deluxe Paint pixel animations.
The 68000 would be able to handle all of those tasks pretty well.
Of course it's also great for retro-gaming.
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WEll with my Other Amiga's i have no use for them and have no idea what to use them for thought i have boxes of floppy disks with software.
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Then I'm afraid the A600 won't change that for you...
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They hold doors open quite well. :-P
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Lol,
But still what 'serious' things can i do on a A600? apart from whats allready been said?
Each time i see the old amiga adverts i think 'WOW!!!'
And what everyone has done on their amigas looks way kool and i havent been able to think of my Amigas apart from my A500 serious.
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No offense meant, but if you have several Amigas and boxes of software, but still can't figure out what to do with them, then no Amiga (not even a big box one) is going to help you with that.
Computers are tools. You first come up with an idea then apply the tool to get it done. The tool doesn't control you.
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Well....
You should be able to put the hard drive from your A1200 in it, and that's about it. It can use PCMCIA, so 4MB slow RAM is available there, or some other dongly interface like a Squirrel (instead, not at the same time). You might replace its 68000 with a 68010 for a useful speed boost. Anything the A600 can do the A1200 does better and faster. An A500 is more expandable, and an A500+ also offers ECS. The lack of an expansion slot cripples the A600. It doesn't even have a full keyboard. And the original power supply is too weak to cope with an external floppy. It's a doorstop, imo.
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gwion: idolize and love it. :-) feel the joy of simply switching it on, loading up a few programs you remember from the past and hearing the sound of its disk drive tick tick tick...
Personally, I use my Amiga mainly for watching demoscene demos and low-level retro coding. I love doing that on my Amiga :-)
Although there'll be a few who disagree with me (of course) classic Amigas have very few practical uses today. well, actually, that's a silly thing to say....it has no LESS practical uses than it had 12 years ago, the difference today is that we have 100000 times more powerful PCs/macs, etc that can do most things far better and faster.
If you don't idolize the mere sight of Amigas - they're probably not for you? ;-) But i guess you do also :)
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The 600 is quite limited as it only has up to 2MB Chip. Think of it as an upgraded 500 with a HD. (You can add an accelerator for faster CPU and more RAM or get a SRAM PCMCIA card for 4MB Fast but those are very rare and expensive!) So it will be limited to mostly games and some older apps, but nothing more modern like networking and web browsing, etc... Even WHDLoad is tough as there a quite a few games that need a Fast RAM, an 020 or AGA...
You can use it for games, just get a PCMCIA Compact Flash card for it and load it up with a bunch of WHDLoad games and just keep the ones that run on a stock 600 on there and ditch the rest...
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The thing is i love Amiga's for what i have seen (on the internet) what they can do and for what they are but as no amiga typer person lives close to me i get stuck and reading text isnt the same as a person helping me.
My A1200 seems slow and seems like a toy and my A600 is just cute :D
And the A500 is big and feels solid and like a computer.
I think the thing thats putts me off is the price of amiga hardware.
But i could never let any of my Amiga's go!
I'll re connect my A1200 up in a sec and play some games. I really love the music on Amiga games. Sometimes i dnt even play the games i just listen to the music.
Also does anyone know if the game 'Moonwalker' was released for Amiga.
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The big box Amigas make great boat anchors, while their little wedge style brothers make for good paperweights and doorstops. Given the width of a A500 with an HD8+ attached, this combo makes for an excellent draft stopper :lol:
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ok...I'll get the rope...the rest of you guys find a tree!!! :-)
lol
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arkanoid wrote:
ok...I'll get the rope...the rest of you guys find a tree!!! :-)
lol
You want us to tie you up? :idea:
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meega wrote:
arkanoid wrote:
ok...I'll get the rope...the rest of you guys find a tree!!! :-)
lol
You want us to tie you up? :idea:
no need, the wife does that on the last Friday of every month....as a treat :-D
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arkanoid wrote:
ok...I'll get the rope...the rest of you guys find a tree!!! :-)
lol
Bit kinky don't you think??? :lol:
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arkanoid wrote:
meega wrote:
arkanoid wrote:
ok...I'll get the rope...the rest of you guys find a tree!!! :-)
lol
You want us to tie you up? :idea:
no need, the wife does that on the last Friday of every month....as a treat :-D
And then doesn't untie you until the last Thursday, so that you can really enjoy yourself? :-D
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I may be 13 but i now what you're talking about.
And from what started off as a post about uses of a A600 it turns to kinky sex,
What then hell is wrong with u ppl?
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Gwion wrote:
I may be 13 but i now what you're talking about.
And from what started off as a post about uses of a A600 it turns to kinky sex,
What then hell is wrong with u ppl?
Edit...Perhaps I was a little harsh, however, the concept of my retort still stands. Nothing that has been written here would be considered offensive to a "Reasonable Person", infact, what has been included in this thread is quite pale in comparison to some other threads on this very site. And it is near invisible compared to the clap-trap that is presented on commercial TV and in popular music. If you were offended by the contents of this thread, then I suggest you are far to immature to be allowed access to any of the aforementioned media.
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Here we have a 13 yearold greatly impressed by the Amiga Computers.Others of his age are totally hooked on PS2's and probably harrasing parents for PS3's or PSP's for this Xmas.To call him immature is ridiculous
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MickTheLip wrote:
Here we have a 13 yearold greatly impressed by the Amiga Computers.Others of his age are totally hooked on PS2's and probably harrasing parents for PS3's or PSP's for this Xmas.To call him immature is ridiculous
Just because someone has developed an interest in an antiquated computer system it suddenly makes them mature??? Hans George Cambell has a deep vested interest in Amiga's, would you call his actions mature??? Besides, how can one be "greatly impressed" when by ones own admission they have no use for their Amiga's? Bah, whats the point...
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All i was saying was i thought it was odd from a post to start from the Uses of a A600 to Kinky Sex was weird.
So im sorry if you get the wrong impression.
I have set-up my A1200 again and its great part from there allways feels like there's something missing i dont know why.
Maby its because Amiga isnt mainstream AnyMore and none of my friends have a clue what a Amiga is.
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Enjoy your A600 for what it is - a cute little machine. Some people have indeed done amazing things to them - because they are small and that is exactly what they wanted/needed, the form factor. For me, the absence of the numeric keypad is a big no-no which is compounded by the lack of a proper expansion slot. My advice, and it is well meant, is to add your A600 to your collection and include it in your sig. Don't spend any money on it at all - it just isn't worth it. As I have said, you should be able to transfer the hard disk from your A1200, and that probably would be the best that you could do and would indeed be worthwhile. You can direct whatever you have as a budget toward the A1200, it is a far better machine.
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Basically, for anything you got in mind you would need an Accelerator card. A600's are small and cute but sadly little more, even when it's one like mine.
If you want to use something advanced, get an A4000. If you want something a little less powerful, nearly as expandable and noticeably cheaper to upgrade, get an A1200 or upgrade the one you have.
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Yes moonwalker was released on the amiga :-D
http://hol.abime.net/2510
As the rest of the guys said theres very little you can do with the A600 except from sound trackers,gfx packages and games. But most of these will require memory and slightly faster processor. There has been afew projects involving the A600 but these where converting them into laptops:
Suzanne
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/suzanne.html
I had my C64 then upgraded to an Amiga A600(portal into the amiga world and I could'nt afford a A1200 way back then. And then I finally managed to get a A1200 (1 or 2 of em) and upgraded it as far as I could go(BPPC,Mediator etc etc) But I found myself using my PC for alot of graphic and model work and with the PC getting more advanced and a greater selection of software I found myself hardly touching the big box amiga, so off it went to the loft! (loft as you always regret selling your big box amigas)Only ever coming down for the odd bit of retro gaming.
I have some issues running some games on the big box Amiga so it really does spend alot of time sitting in the loft. Lately I just bought myself a desktop A1200, (while waiting on it to arrived I clicked on I had enough parts in the loft to build one doh!) and fitted afew things I've had lying about in the loft like 1084s monitor, m-tec 8mb card,2.5 hdd (2gig)I'm planning on doing the internal cd drive project to it and adding a sd card reader and I'm in heaven with the real retro feel of the system the only thing that the A600 has over the A1200 is the amount of space it takes up. The A1200 is a better gaming machine due to it support for AGA and its easy to get parts for :-D
I guess you just need to ask yourself what you want to do on your amiga!
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I ask myself what i want to do on my Amiga and i have absolutely no idea.
I mainly just like the hardware.
and everytime i see what people have done on their standard Amiga's it makes them look incredible. Then i think wow thats kool then i set up my A1200 then I dont know where to start.
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Gwion wrote:
I ask myself what i want to do on my Amiga and i have absolutely no idea.
I mainly just like the hardware.
and everytime i see what people have done on their standard Amiga's it makes them look incredible. Then i think wow thats kool then i set up my A1200 then I dont know where to start.
I had the same issue. It takes determination to actually do it. Now my old Amiga HD is run by Amikit and I'm finding more enjoyment than ever just puttering around. Want to get a MiniMig next.
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How did u resolve your issue?
And i want to stay on the classic hardware.
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When I was your age I had a 500 and I made a lot of DPaint graphics with it. That was cool. A friend of mine programmed in AMOS and used my graphics.
To relive that old skool feeling I have my Amiga and nowadays am able to make some simple games in Flash like in my sig.
Had a shot at music too but I guess am not that talented ;-).
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I Love DPaint IV and III thats really fun but i have no manual for it so its a bit complicated.
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This is the path of a hardware nut! and will involve deep pockets even so more now due to OS4 being released for the classic :roll: (guess that smiley will do). There are afew of us on here that simply enjoy upgrading there amiga's but once you reach your goal then you have to move onto something else!
You can always place adverts on here of things your wanting to buy as the chances are your gonna get it abit cheaper than you would find on ebay, and theres always the new http://amibay.co.uk its still in early days so there really is'nt much on it as of yet but keep it book marked for the future.
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Hi guys, i'm a lone amigan from the tropical Far East.
In my stable i have two A600's , apart from many other miggy's.
If you have great enthusiasm, and a fat bank account, you can actually push the A600 to the extreme:
http://www.amiga600.de/
Amiga rocks!
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Neither did I. Just trial and error.
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Gwion wrote:
I Love DPaint IV and III thats really fun but i have no manual for it so its a bit complicated.
My Amiga graphics package is ImageFX_1.51 from a magazine coverdisk (it was the reason I bought that magazine that month). Manual? Instructions? What are they? Never had them... there was nothing there... nada... :crazy: :lol:
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Well, you could dump a few hundred bucks into it by adding one of those rare 030 cards, RAM, a clockport USB port, USB sound card, a HD, a fixed IDE solution, Individual Computers' trapdoor RAM expansion, what else? Oh, a grafitti "card" to get ... what is it, 640x400? graphics (plus Mac emulation) and/or a scandoubler.
You'd have a fair-to-middlin machine for some light web-browsing; with the sound card, some MP3 listening, hang a CD-ROM off of there and get the advantages of that (heck maybe even a CD-R/RW?)
It'd be a hella mutant box but you'd have the fastest Trabant in all of East Berlin! LOL
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IMHO if you really are serious about expanding and upgrading the A600 I would just get a cheap A2000 and be done with it! You can get an 030, CD-ROM, graphics card, OS 3.9 and even ethernet cards and have one nice setup. The A600 is just a toy compared to the other models. Use it for games and call it a day!
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@ Gwion
Play "Lemmings" and "Defender of the Crown" or do some DPaint - that's the main usage I use my A600 for. The last time I used it for some serious reason was when I monitored the DebugOutput of my Pegasos on it.
I like the A600 quite a lot, but I wouldn't expand it. Better concentrate on your Pegasos (IMHO!!).
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The sale for the Pegasos didnt go well so i havent got one :(
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@ Gwion
As you're new to the Amiga, an important thing to keep in mind is this: Anything you want to do with the 600 you can do faster and more easily with your 1200. The _only_ advantage of the 600 is that it's tiny. It's a fun hobbyist machine for many of us here at AO who already have other high-end setups, but if you're still trying to find a use for your other Amigas, the 600 will offer you nothing.
Get an accelerator and some RAM for your 1200, get a network card, get online, start browsing Aminet. It takes a long time to tweak a setup to suit your tastes, so read, experiment, and learn. Ssee what's out there. Do you have the Workbench, DOS, ARexx, and Hard Drive manuals? Find them - you'd be surprised what you can do with a stock system.
And backup (and write-protect) all your Workbench disks before you do anything else.
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number 1 use for an amiga 600? finding an atari st user and boring them to death with how much better the hardware is! i had to endure these kind of comments all through the 80's. i bought my atari st for music. and it never got used as a midi setup would have cost £1000. still it got used for some fun games and i wouldn't have gotten one if i hadn't got it for some serious stuff.
i liked deja vu, the uninvited. (i'm still stuck on it...) they are on amiga also. i only just finished deja vu last year on gameboy colour. thats one tricky game! i didn't like the fact the games couldn't be bought like on the spectrum for £1.99 and so i never really bought software for it.
you could do some word processing. i was going to write a book. for me i would have found it nicer to sit at something with a retro feel like the amiga has. making sure it's a nice stable computer though or backing up regular.
i think a lot of the 600's uses have gone to better machines. it was a bit of a stopgap and time has moved on. for me it wasn't as compatible as i wanted. it is still a nice collectable all in one computer. and who knows what add ons may come about in the future. it won't ever lose the money paid for it. they just get rarer.
:-)
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I have the game 'the uninvited' is that the sequel to deja vu or was it by the same makers?
If i get a 4MB RAM card and a PCMCIA Network card would i be able to browse the web on my A1200 then?
I think my A600 will be used as a Games Machine as it was suppose to be originally.
I set up my A1200 again and i put some colour to the desktop and it seems great.
When i get the 4MB RAM card for my A1200 how will I be able to get the software so i can browse the web and set-up the PCMCIA network card?
And what network cards are compatible?
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If you have some more pounds look for an 030 card at 50 MHz and at least 8 Mb RAM. It will make your 1200 a lot better.
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How much will a 030@50mhz with at least 8MB RAM cost?
I have £35 on me now.
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How will a A1200 with the 4MB RAM card do? Why would i need a 030@50mhz with at least 8MB RAM? To run OS3.9? That would mean i would need a ide bufferd interface, accelerator PCMCIA network card and the internet and network card.
Anyone here trade a PPC Card for a Xbox 360 with HD and some games ?
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Ok, first of all don't make any rash decisions; you'll regret them later.
I suggested an 030 with 8Mb of RAM because it will give you a fairly powerfull 1200 with which you can do a lot of stuff without too much trouble. Like gaming from HD and comfortable use of Workbench and other apps. It can run 3.9 too but you don't need that. So you don't need a buffered IDE interface, network card for 3.9 to work but you do need the OS3.9 CD and a way to get it on your HD. My advice is to just stick with 3.1 for now. Even with a 4Mb RAM card your 1200 will feel faster and can do more things.
What would you do with a PPC card if you don't even know what you want to with a stock 1200? Don't trade your Xbox for something you don't have a clue about what you're gonna do with.
Please first make up your mind about what you want to do with your Amigas.
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@Gwion
I am amazed that in this day, you being as young as you are, desire to use an Amiga.......it shows you have a cool factor built into you..............because Amiga's are Very very Cool.
I can help you alot to find uses for your A600..it was my main machine for a long time and I used it recently to perform at shows.
PMail me and I will give you many more ideas.
For one......get yourself a DSS8+ package..........there is one on eBay right now (thats Digital Sound Studio 8+)
and get yourself a 512mb or 1GB Compact Flash card with PCMCIA adaptor so you can copy files to a PC or Mac very easily.
What you will be able to do is............record yourself into the Amiga extremely easy and in a fun way..........and produce your very own Pod Castings! you can upload them to the internet through the PC. Its very very easy! You can record a long time with 2MB if you lower the sample rate...........even if your memeory gets full...........save that recording onto the Compact Flash card............and then erase it from A600's Memory.....and continue recording..............Get both versions of the DSS software.the older version is more fun to use, but the 3.0 version lets you convert the files to WAV super duper easily so they can work on a PC...........from the PC you save them as MP3.
thats one use.
Another use is that you can record multiple drum beats and sound samples...and basically DJ with your A600 if you hook it up to a mixer and Stereo. You can also add effects such as Echo in realtime as you talk through your DSS sampler.
Another use is you can make Crank calls to your friends on the phone..and have the Amiga's voice talk to them using the SAY program in the Utilities drawer................its fun. Get a program on Aminet called Say2Sample, which saves the SAY sentences into 8svx/IFF samples.....you can then load 31 of those speaches from your Amigas voice and execute them at will! so preplan what your friend will ask on the phone and have responses ready! he will ask questions such as: Who is this? and you can say.......fill in the blank..................
I once used my Amiga 600 at a Play, where I executed the required sound effects that was needed in the story in front of a Studio audience. effects such as Wind blowing........the sound of a cell phone ringing, Lighting and thunder, a door closing...........background music or theme music..............it was great fun! this was on a plain A600 with 2mb only and a harddrive.
I painted it black and added a little Sony Playstation LCD screen...............
If you want to see it, click on my name here on Amiga.org and look at my photo album!
the A600 has hundreds of simple cool uses.
I have alot of programs I can recommend...............PMAIL me.
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Gwion you know what you need to do is get a
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=440&osCsid=130e6feef5c48c168858bc61aa1b4a6c
and then go to www.lemonamiga.com and download some great games from the adf links. Try games like Syndicate, Cannon Fodder, Road Rash and other top rated ones. Explore the world of old skool amiga games (they are very addictive).
Also try to get your hands on some applications. I used to use a program when I was your age called scala. Its amazing and very simple to use. I would make my own point and click advertures by drawing the pictures in dpaint and then using scala with them. Another good thing to do is look for old magazines or disk on ebay for imformation and gudience.
I know amiga seems very complex and confusing and it is :P I have used it since the age of 10 and I am now 22. I still have a tiny knowlegde base :-P I still get excited when I get some software working now that I could not get working when I was a kid. Amiga is about learning how your computer really works and how changing the smallest thing can make things run.
Having an Amiga is like somebody with a really retro sports car. They know it will not go as fast as a modern car but they still drive it and clean it becuase they love the feel.
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Oh and just remember: the cheapest and fastest Amiga you'll ever find is Winuae. It's free and you already have the roms because you own a real Amiga.
Experiment with Winuae to see if you like it. Then you could always decide if you want to invest (yes "invest" because it's a very expensive hobby you've chosen) in more real Amiga hardware later on.
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I'm running OS 3.0 and i love WinUAE and it does everything i want it to do except feel like a Amiga :(
And i would trade my Xbox 360 for a PPC and BVision if possible anytime so I can run OS4.
Now thinking about it what i really wana do with my Amiga is use it for everything!
I may be 13 but each time i use my Amiga i get a tingling in my fingers and its way much funner to play on that my Xbox 360
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My advice for you would be to stay in school and learn all you can. While the Amiga can be a fun hobby, or an interesting tool for an artist, make sure you don't let it get in the way of your studies of the fundamentals of life (language, arts, science, math.) Eventually, you'll discover who you really are, and when you do, you'll know what to do with your Amiga. Until that happens, asking people what you ought to do with your Amiga in this forum is rather like asking a stranger what you should eat for dinner tonight.
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I love all my amigas,especialy my main machine the a1200, i often break out my 600 and just game with it.......fills me with retro nostalgia everytime.
Any amiga deserves what you can afford to add to it and improve it.
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I really don't understand all you guys telling Gwion that the A600 is useless and that he should spend lots of money upgrading it (or even his A1200) just so it can do a bad job of the everyday drudgery jobs that any cheap windows box can do (web browsing, email, mp3 playing, etc.).
Instead, he should celebrate what the "stock" A600 CAN do. Instead of trying to get it to do stuff it wasn't designed to do, use it for what it excels at. I mean, that's why I still use my Amiga! For the neat, quirky software and hardware that, while old, can still perform today.
Don't compare it to modern machines or expect it to do what a modern computer can do, ever. You don't drive a VW bug expecting it to be a Ferrari. You drive it because it offers its own, unique, special experience. The same with the Amiga.
I am under no illusion that my Amiga will outperform a modern PC or MAC - but it can do some other things well if I approach it from a retro-computing point of view.
Heck, it can do a lot! All an A600 really needs is to put an internal Hard drive in there and one can accomplish a lot.
If you put me in a cabin for a week with a stock A600, DPaint, Brilliance, and a tracker program I'd have an album's worth of music and all the artwork produced on this little bundle of fun. Heck, I might even produce a cool retro-looking video on it in Anim format, superimposed over video with a genlock (cheap nowadays on Ebay). To take a break I'd play some great classic ECS games.
Gwion is trying to learn what he can do with an Amiga - in this case the A600 is almost perfect. A great starter system. Cut your teeth on it, Gwion, and explore.
To use an analogy: when you decided to learn guitar, you start on a decent economy model and see how well you do. You don't immediately go out and buy a $4000 deluxe Stratocaster (that comes later when you have gained your chops). Those who do usually find that it's the player (or user), not the equipment, that makes the music sparkle.
If anyone thinks his or her A600 is so useless, please give it to me....I'll put it to great use.
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WoW you put it exactly right!
OMG i get 2 open it 2moz!!! AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
It has a 80MB HD WOO!!! :P
And a bit of software :D
And when i have used that to the Max ill move on 2 my A1200 and then ill upgrade that.
Wow i feel special im probably the youngest Amiga User on the PLANET! :P
So excited it will be proudly placed on my desk!
Who cares what else i get 4 Xmas 2moz im most excited about the A600.
And none of your opinions have changed mine on the A600!
I Will love it 2 bits! and I might even spray the MJJ Productions Logo on its case someday!
(i have got the MJJ productions logo on my iBook G3)
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..connect it to some big LCD TV and play Project X, run some demos with volume UP.. there is plenty to do with that nice tiny keyboard, pal!! :-)
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@ Gwion
I suggest you pop over to OldSkool UK (www.oldskooluk.org) and look up Zetr0's Project A600+ (if you Google that you should find it).
It shows what can be squeezed into the A600 case and expand the little Miggy without breaking the bank. PCMCIA SRAM cards are expensive these days, but the PCMCIA to CF adapter is a must-have, get this little beauty and a card reader for the PC and the Amiga ADF files are yours to explore, add a 3.1 ROM and you can run OS3.1 on the A600 and OS3.5 if you fit a laptop CD or DVD drive.
Cheers
WTF
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OMG! OS 3.5 on a 68000!
That would be slooooow (i think)
How much RAM does OS 3.5 need?
And i thought WHD needed a 68020/030
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i thought os3.5 required an 020?
020 with 4mb ram is the base requirements.
mid range is 030 with 8mb
reccomended is 060/ppc with 32mb ram.
saying that my a2000 030 with 8mb ram runs os3.9 well and whdload is flawless.
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Gwion wrote:
OMG! OS 3.5 on a 68000!
That would be slooooow (i think)
How much RAM does OS 3.5 need?
And i thought WHD needed a 68020/030
You dont need os 3.5 on your A600 but you could do well with os 3.1 on your amiga 1200 i use os 3.1 on my very powerfull amiga 1200 but i offten turn to use a stock setup for games "only a amiga 1200 with CF as HD and 8 mb ram card" ... Just make sure you have a hd, it will make your life alot easyer. The amiga experience can only be defined if you do not require it to more than it can do or you can make it do ... If you want to learn how to make music you download a few modules and use FT2/octamed to open the modules. Then steal instruments from them .. Study how they are built and try to copy it by re assemble the tune out of instruments found in module at first .Buy a sampler and sample your own instruments or even MJ tunes. Or even make your own sampler "easy" Aminet.net (i did this at the age of 12 a mono one) I can help you explain if needed.. If you want to make art pay atention in drawing class at school study outlines in drawn pictures again copy things done. Make your own version.. If you want to have a future in computing start compiling code with amos or other simple code ... Open premade code experiment study and play around ... These things is a torture to begin with but the more you learn the more fun you will have ... You are at a age were you learn very fast and easy ... Also if you want to make games get hold of the great "shoot em up construction kit" you can play for months with that app its damn easy... And all these things work on a sixty eight thousand`s.Get a cheap solder iron and try make small hacks that you can find on aminet such as sampler... You are asking this question i have a computer what can it do ? Get a word prosessor and write your diary .. Read amiga os operation manual online and be impressed by all the small details this somewhat slow computer can do for you ... There is still a reason why the rest of us keep sticking with their old amigas they are so fun to play with and easy... All you need is time . Please be inteligent do your home work study details and try to improve things your own way..
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How would i put stuff on my Amiga when it only has a DD Floppy Drive?
I have "shoot em up construction kit" but i cant use it because my floppy drive wont write 2 disks :(
But 2moz i will have a A600 that can so :-D
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You have a 1200 with HD. If that floppy drive is bust, you can try cleaning it and look for the pins that check for write protection. They can get stuck when dirty.
If that fails you can buy a replacement drive from Amigakit or just swap drives with the 600.
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you can get a paralell cable but you need a HD "to transfere files". If no hd i dont see any other use than a games machine using floppy... If you have a hd or even CFcard with CF-ide adapter it will open new worlds for your amiga . Then you can get a PCMCIA - CF card reader and transfere files the same way you would do with a USB stick PCorMAC-AMIGA. Also classic wb would be worth installing can be found here (http://classicwb.abime.net/) Maybe a Cdrom could be connected but everything require HD for pleasent operation..Do know that some kickstart revisions of A600 may not allow a HD at all ...
EDIT: Back in the day a Harddrive was as big upgrade as extra memory and acc board .. I remember getting a Hd for our a500 It was a huge thing :lol: alot of frinds did envy me... :-P :-P
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The A600 has kickstart .350 so its ok.
And I have a HD i have a Paralell cable right here so how do i bridge the PC to the Amiga? (remember i have no way of putting software on the A1200_
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If you have no way of putting software on your amiga 1200 there are no options. get a external floppydrive or take a drive from a amiga 500 or something, external drives are still cheap ... Or transfere The HD from your amiga 1200 i dont see any problems ... Later when you require more simply upgrade the amiga 1200 with a new Hd about 2 gigs would be enugh... You can copy Fat95 over to the amiga i can mail you some disks to get you started if you want "feebies" such as cable transfere software. You can read pc floppys on amiga too with crossdos and fat95 so there are several ways..
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I must say that for 13 year old you sure do have strange bedtime hours ;-)! :lol:
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@adonay
Oh freebies sound nice :D
Oh i ment by not being able to put nothing on it because i have no way to put stuff on 2 floppy or connect the Amiga to PC.
SO by freebies does that include shipping? If so PM me :D
@Flashlab
Its chritmas and i wana stay up so i can get 2 sleep over excitement.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amiga-600-With-3GB-Hard-Drive-3-1-Rom-2Mb-mem_W0QQitemZ130185285750QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Bagain of an A600 there. Shame you missed it.
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I said it was free diddent i :-D Expect nothing to happne before 1st january though i work around the clock at the moment at a riggyard and this is far from home. I am just happy i have my own office with internet :lol: But when the post office is open i can not go there :-( and all my stuff is back home ...
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tokyoracer wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amiga-600-With-3GB-Hard-Drive-3-1-Rom-2Mb-mem_W0QQitemZ130185285750QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Bagain of an A600 there. Shame you missed it.
Gutted like a fish!
Well at least I get 2 open a Amiga on Xmas day.
And that A600 is pretty much the same as mine apart from 3.1 ROM and HD.
But i dont mind i think OS2 will run quickly/quicker than 3.1 on the A600 anyday!
Thanks anyway.
@ Adonay can you PM me what type of software you might be sending?
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Well its off 2 bed 4 me now!
And to open a A600 this morning!! Cant wait!!
G'night u guys and have a good Christmas!!!
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Wow its kool!
I got a iPod touch 8GB Soo kool
And a charir thing u plug in2 ur stereo
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And a 600 I presume?
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Ye but I didn't think there would be much point duh :p
I also got £100 so I think I'l get the Apollo 1260
how good will that be on as a1200?
will it work with a a500 psu?
How fast will it be with os 3.9?
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Wow great Christmas for you! When I was your age I only got a book each year, ha ha!
An 060 will be fast. The bottleneck will be AGA. Should work with an A500 PSU.
OS3.9 in AGA will work fine.
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i'm running an a1200 with apollo 1240, 10 gig drive and squirrel scsi on a stock a500 power supply with no problems :)
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isn't aga better with a faster processor?
Is a apollo 1260 any good?
how fast will os3.9 be?
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Yes, AGA gets better with faster processors. It's just that IMHO in comparison an 060 is too fast compared to AGA.
That aside when you have an 060 you can use it also for faster chunky to planar routines for games like Doom or programs like Shapeshifter.
Apollo is good but IMHO Blizzard cards are better.
How fast will OS3.9 be? How can you measure? It will be fast. As fast as OS3.0/OS3.1 on a normal 1200. Speed is very depending on the number of colours used on AGA.
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Your going to GET the Apollo 060? Don't you mean your going to TRY and TRACK DOWN an Apollo 060 to buy? I know in north America, these 060 cards don't grow on trees (by any stretch) and are not available from dealers anymore (maybe in the UK it is different).
Also, will 200 pounds even begin to cover the cost of one? I know the 060 boards for the A2000 start around $500.
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On the stuff i am willing to trade for amiga hardware thread a guy offerd a Apollo 1260 for £100
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Indeed. The primary issue with high-end Amiga upgrades these days is not just cost, but actually finding the things. It can take months or even years for certain things to turn up.
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On the stuff i am willing to trade for amiga hardware thread a guy offerd a Apollo 1260 for £100
£100 does indeed sound like a good deal, if the person has the card for sale you should be snapping his/her hand off.
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I want to get it but he hasnt replied to a PM yet so fingers crossed.
How hot to these cards get? Are they buggy?
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Ok right now im stuck.
What should i get?
a Apollo 1260 or a Pegasos I?
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all i really have to say now is :crazy:
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Just get the apollo 060 they are not buggy .. if you are used to a amiga 1200 with no more than 2 mb ram this will give you a speed boost you will never regreat .-.. If not sell the card to me :lol: :lol: :-P
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Gwion wrote:
Well its off 2 bed 4 me now!
And to open a A600 this morning!! Cant wait!!
G'night u guys and have a good Christmas!!!
Wow... I got my A600 as a Xmas present when I was 13... of course that was back in its heyday. It was the coolest thing anyone could own :-D. I can still remember how great a moment it was.
Commodore what have you done? Now I have to type this on a generic PC. How sad is that? :cry:
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:(
It was really kool it was in its original box 2!!
And my sis warped cling film around it so it looked like the factory cling film type of thing.
Its really kool!
Its been on all day! (its on now)
So happy.
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Gwion wrote:
Ok right now im stuck.
What should i get?
a Apollo 1260 or a Pegasos I?
If you have the chance to obtain a Pegasos, go for it. Look, I am a long time Amiga user, but I sold off all my 68k hardware (except the A600)since I own a Pegasos.
But the Pegasos and 68k are indeed two slightly different pairs of shoe. The Pegasos can do a lot of modern things at decent speed, where the 68k maschines are more for the old stuff.
The 68k maschines are fun - but they are what they are: old!
That doesn't should sound negative, but honestly the maschines are expensive, limited and they can die every second.
The Peg1 is a bit difficult to start with (it takes a while until you get a good MorphOS setup), but much more powerfull than the old maschines. And it is way lesser buggy than many think. I have a Pegasos1 Aril 1 and I very rarely get crashes. HD file corruption I never observed.
The Pegasos is silent, fast and (relatively) young. The G3 cpu does not get very hot (this extends the average lifespan of this device quite a lot).
In the end the only limitation of the Pegasos is your imagination.
A very good alternative to a Pegasos1 would be the Efika. Not now, but wait a couple of weeks and MorphOS will be available for that little board.
To make it short: Get a Pegasos while you can.
I use the Pegasos since more than 5 years and never ever regretted a single second to have chosen that maschine.
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@Gwion
TBH, I think you might be disappointed with the Pegasos. You are obviously in to the "classic" Amiga hardware and the whole Amiga experience. A Pegasos is not really an Amiga, and it *doesn't* run Amiga OS, except through emulation (and you have already said that UAE doesn't feel like using an Amiga - I can relate to that). I think if you get the Pegasos you will be missing that Amiga feeling, even though MorphOS is a great OS and the board is quite powerful. Of course the decision is yours and you should research it before buying, but I really think you would get more enjoyment from the 060 upgrade to your A1200 as it will really open doors for that machine and make your Amiga experience a lot more fun. (020 to 060 on an A1200 is a MASSIVE jump in speed!)
As for what to do with the A600, I think the great thing about the A600 is, as others have said, its tiny size, and you could exploit that. Get the hard disk loaded up with lots of your favourite Amiga games and keep the whole thing with a couple of joysticks and the PSU in a backpack. Take it round to your mates house, rig it up to their telly, and have a blast playing games which are actually fun :-)
If you want to do something a bit more creative, persevere with DPaint. The interface is a bit daunting at first but persevere - it's not actually that hard once you've tried everything out. Also, since you mention that you like the music in Amiga games, you could download a tracker and make some music on your A600.
Hope some of those suggestions inspire you. Have fun with it :-)
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moto
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How do I load games from HD? There are some games on there now i just dnt know how to copy the games from floppy to HD.
I think i'll go for the Apollo '060.
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With WHDLOAD (http://www.whdload.de/)
Then d/l {bleep}loads of pre-installed games HERE (http://guildserver.co.uk/kgwhd/)
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motorollin wrote:
@Gwion
TBH, I think you might be disappointed with the Pegasos. You are obviously in to the "classic" Amiga hardware and the whole Amiga experience. A Pegasos is not really an Amiga, and it *doesn't* run Amiga OS, except through emulation (and you have already said that UAE doesn't feel like using an Amiga - I can relate to that). I think if you get the Pegasos you will be missing that Amiga feeling, even though MorphOS is a great OS and the board is quite powerful.
Always this misinformation, miswording! Of course MorphOS is not
AmigaOS, but it is also *not* an OS emulation.
MorphOS is an AmigaOS *compatible* OS. Compatibility is achieved by
sharing the same API and an integrated 68k emulator for 68k
applications (a processor emulator, but *no* OS emulator, not that
68k apps use the ppc native OS when calling system routines. Nothing
emulated is used here except the processor to run the legacy apps).
Of course MorphOS does not run Amiga applications which directly bang
the hardware (that's mostly games and *old* sound/gfx software).
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zylesea wrote:
Always this misinformation, miswording! Of course MorphOS is not
AmigaOS, but it is also *not* an OS emulation.
I never said it was an OS emulation. What I said was not misinformation. I merely stated that if he wants to run Amiga OS on the Pegasos, he will have to emulate an Amiga.
zylesea wrote:
MorphOS is an AmigaOS *compatible* OS. Compatibility is achieved by
sharing the same API and an integrated 68k emulator for 68k
applications (a processor emulator, but *no* OS emulator,
Again, I never said this was the case.
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moto
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Gwion wrote:
How do I load games from HD? There are some games on there now i just dnt know how to copy the games from floppy to HD.
I think i'll go for the Apollo '060.
A lot of games/programs have an "Install to HD" icon/utility somewhere, and that will put the game on your HD for you. You just have to follow the prompts. If the game is on more than one floppy disk then the Install program is quite often not on Disk 1 of the set.
If the game is an AmigaDOS compatible disk - i.e. you can see the files on the disk in Workbench - then it is often enough to simply copy the entire thing into a drawer on your hard disk and maybe add an Assign or two in a startup-script to point to that location.
If the game needs codes or has some other copy-protection, then this will not circumvent it - you will still need to enter the right code(s) from the manual or wherever when requested.
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I have been playing Lemmings way to much I was up till 2;£0 iin the morning playing it! Oops
Well like it says on the box.
"WARNING
WE ARE NOT
RESPONSABLE FOR:
LOSS OF SANITY
LOSS OF HAIR
LOSS OF SLEEP"
LOL
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In the end only you know what you want. IF you want a PC that runs Amiga related stuff, get that Peggy. IF you want to use a true Amiga and want to boost it's speed, get the 060 (which is what I would get).
It's as simple as that and only you know what you want so all this is strictly un-nessasary.
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In the end only you know what you want.
I dont think he really knows what he wants thats the main problem.
IF you want a PC that runs Amiga related stuff, get that Peggy.
Why not just get a PC? things like amikit or even amithlon are pretty sweet!
IF you want to use a true Amiga and want to boost it's speed, get the 060 (which is what I would get).
Better still get a BPPC and bvision then you can run OS3.9/4.0 or MorphOS (as stated he wanted to run OS4)
Best advice your going to get is forget about everything posted in this thread and play with your little A600 and 1200 and find out what you enjoy doing. Theres's no point to having a top end Amiga just to play lower end games and apps like Dpaint,Ppaint,soundtracker etc etc. A basic system will give you hours off fun (030 with abit of memory and OS3.1)the rest is all really eye candy!
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In the end Amiga is just a Hobby so I bought a iMac G4 700mhz 15" for £132.
And I will use it for Media Studies :D
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Gwion wrote:
In the end Amiga is just a Hobby so I bought a iMac G4 700mhz 15" for £132.
And I will use it for Media Studies :D
*sigh*. I give up. This thread is pointless. You really don't know what you want - it seems every five minutes you are onto something new - and there is no point asking us here.
Good luck though!
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OMG now the seller of the iMac G4 is being stupid!
Oh well you never know i might get something amiga after all :D
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Here is what I would use an A600 for:
It's very portable, get a small LCD screen (w/ RCA inputs)and take it with you wherever you go. Low power consumption means you could run it from your car with an inverter. Play games while you're on a camping holiday.
If you like to do music then it would be useful in dj'ing/performances. Some extra mem would help though.
Alternativley, you could sell the innards to me and your sister will never know that you've sold the gift she gave you.
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I like the LCD screen idea.
No im not gonna sell it.
I have had fun using DPIII and Lemmings.
And no Im not gonna sell it.
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HI,
If you can get your hands on an acellerator you can do this
see http://www.flickr.com/photos/lincsamigagroup/2085268190/
Hopefully Jens will release his A600 030/40 soon.
Kind Regards, Michael
aka rockape
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Seriously though, like Mr.'nasty' says:
"Best advice your going to get is forget about everything posted in this thread and play with your little A600 and 1200 and find out what you enjoy doing. Theres's no point to having a top end Amiga just to play lower end games and apps like Dpaint,Ppaint,soundtracker etc etc. A basic system will give you hours off fun (030 with abit of memory and OS3.1)the rest is all really eye candy!"
This is the best comment i've seen and even someone as amazingly bright as me (he wishes) I didn't think of that. Give it atleast a month or 2 and find out what you like and/or dislike about the Amiga's you use before you go out flashing your cash about rather then constantly changing your mind like a magpie.
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@Gwion:
I suggest you install the (brand new ?) GAAE version of ClassicWB (http://classicwb.abime.net/) on it. You'll be surprised what this little machine can do. :-)
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@Gwion
I'm well impress that someone at your age has an appreciation for these little gems. Amiga's that is. Personally my heart flutters every time I pass my Amiga's. I just have to stop and turn them on. I'm aware of the rep that A600's have in the community, but I couldn't care less. I love the little buggers. That's why I have 3 of them. :-D
All stock and all functioning. Even the most staunch Amiga user knows that these machines are all but obsolete in the sense that newer modern machines out perform them in pretty much every way. But you know what, that doesn't even matter really. Being an Amiga user is a love affair. You know all the faults and short comings of them, but you still adore them anyway. For most of us it was the philosophy of the techies at Commodore back in the 80s and early 90s that captured our interest. Even if the money and management people were determined to run CBM into the ground.
I say, just enjoy the little beasty. Set it up on a desk somewhere so you can see it every time you walk by. So your mates can ask you, what the hell is that? and you can have the joy of explaining it to them. You can tell them that once upon a time, before Micro$oft had conquered the world, there were alternatives to PCs and Macs. That the world was once filled with companies all jostling to get their own little home computer Frankenstein onto the market. All brimming with chicklet keyboards, tape drives and on very rare occasions, floppy drives. Ahh, such was the naissance of home computing. Let hope we get to have a renaissance.
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I took my A600 round my friends house yesterday.
He loved Deluxe Paint III !!!!
And ye every here says oh the A600 is a waste of time.
But in the end they're trying to make the A600 be something it wasn't designed for. :-)
So let the Amiga be what it was meant to be.
And i bet some of you here who said the A600 was crap used to own one otherwise how would you know. :-)
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The Amiga 600 wasn't my first Amiga, the 500 was, but it was the one that made me fall in love with Amiga computers. I think what I loved about it was I could actually add a hard drive to it, without spending a small fortune. I always wanted to add a HD to my old 500, all those years ago, but the a590 cost an arm and a leg here in Oz. When I got my first a600 I was over the moon that I could simply add a 2.5 inch HD to it. They were a good deal cheaper than a590's. So I added some extra RAM, a couple of external drives and I was the envy of all my mates. So what if you couldn't accelerate or expand it. I didn't need to. I never met a game I couldn't play on the little beast, well once I had relo kick in my possession. :lol:
Treasure that little beauty and never let it out of your possession. You hold a piece of history in your hands.
:bow: AMIGA :bow:
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Yay someone not bad mouthing the A600
All hail :bow: Xamiche :bow:
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Yay someone not bad mouthing the A600
Ok lets do this, you have gone through every stage from trying to get amithtlon running on your pc, winuae to trying to buy any available amiga model, wanting a apple mac and peg 1! you stated that you wanted to use your amiga for everything and asked for peoples opinions on a public forum if you get replys you dont like then its basically just tough s**t! aslong as the posts dont break the rules of A.org then people are entitled to there views. Uses for the A600 lie in the eye of the beholder, to me the A600 is completely usless as it lacks AGA and I have a fair collection of games and demos that require AGA. So if your happy with your A600 then good for you!
now im finished feeding the troll!
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Uses for the A600 lie in the eye of the beholder, to me the A600 is completely usless as it lacks AGA and I have a fair collection of games and demos that require AGA.
Very true indeed, then again the a500 also lacks AGA and doesn't cop half the flak the a600 does. But you're right. It's in the eye of the beholder. Oh man, now I want to play EotBII. Man I love that game. Time to fire up my a600.
now im finished feeding the troll!
Troll! Where? Omg, hey...do you remember the troll in Secret of Monkey Island. I can never look at a red herring now without remembering that game.
Okay seriously, I don't think its fair to call him a troll. He's just a 13 year old kid asking a bunch of rapid fire questions. Is that so bad? That's the great thing about being a kid, you don't have to know what you want yet. ;-)
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I don't think its fair to call him a troll. He's just a 13 year old kid asking a bunch of rapid fire questions. Is that so bad? That's the great thing about being a kid, you don't have to know what you want yet.
Yep thats right (u read me like a book)
I have The Secret Of Monkey Island right here next to me i havent even payed it since i got it.
Time to fire up the A600
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Yep thats right (u read me like a book)
I have The Secret Of Monkey Island right here next to me i havent even payed it since i got it.
Time to fire up the A600
Have you ever played it before? If not, you're in for a real treat. Just don't be waving your sword around like a feather duster. :-D