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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: pjhutch on December 20, 2007, 12:51:33 PM
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I am thinking of starting an unofficial AmigaOS 4 for Classics FAQ on my website.
If you have any ideas or Q&A entries you have, can you reply here so I add them to the web site.
The AmigaOS 3.9 FAQ can be found here:
http://www.gregdonner.org/os39faq/os39faq.html
My website is:
http://www.pcguru.plus.com
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Q: When will it run on Macshitosh?
A: Never.
:-P
on a serious note, you should probably put requirements first..
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pjhutch wrote:
I am thinking of starting an unofficial AmigaOS 4 for Classics FAQ on my website.
If you have any ideas or Q&A entries you have, can you reply here so I add them to the web site.
The AmigaOS 3.9 FAQ can be found here:
http://www.gregdonner.org/os39faq/os39faq.html
My website is:
http://www.pcguru.plus.com
Great idea mate. I think both of your links are very useful 8-)
OS4 question:-
How do I get my ToolsDaemon to work in OS4?
(I've put the usual files from my OS3.9 system into S, L, Prefs and WBStartup but OS4 just hangs when I attempt to use it)
:pint:
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ToolsDaemon is a hack of a program and not really a WB friendly program. Have you tries ToolManager instead or Dopus Megallan?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't TD *ADDED* to OS4? o_O
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Ihave no idea what is included with AmigaOS 4 so I cannot confirm that.
Has any one got a directory listing of what is on the CD?
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Methuselas wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't TD *ADDED* to OS4?
I am unable to find it in my OS4 installation mate.
pjhutch wrote:
Has any one got a directory listing of what is on the CD?
Here's a grab of DirectoryOpus4 (OS4 version :-D) showing the contents of the OS4 CD. No sign of ToolsDaemon anywhere in there....
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/OS4-contents.jpg)
Just to clarify exactly what I am looking for, this screengrab shows the 4 components of the ToolsDaemon that has worked brilliantly in OS3.9....
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/TD1.jpg)
The original ToolsDaemon gave one extra menu called 'Utils'. By some fluke I was able to add more titles which went right across the top of the Workbench screen. Hence, I could launch many more progs and utils without even having to open up a partition.
Here is one of my 'ToolsDaemon.menu' files:-
TITLE Utils
ITEM DirectoryOpus
(WB) "Work:Dopus/DirectoryOpus" []
ITEM HiFi
(WB) "Workbench3.9:Utilities/Amplifier/Amplifier" []
ITEM ADF-Blitzer
(WB) "Work:Tools/ADF-Blitzer/ADF-Blitzer" []
ITEM Wordworth4SE
(WB) "Work:Productivity/Textprocessing/Wordworth" []
ITEM PPaint
(WB) "Work:Productivity/Graphics/PPaint" []
ITEM PlayCD
(WB) "Work:IDEfix97/PlayCD/PlayCD" []
ITEM PlayCD-OS3.9
(WB) "Workbench3.9:Utilities/PlayCD" []
ITEM Super-Duper
(WB) "Work:Tools/Super/Super" []
ITEM CyberGrab
(WB) "Work:CyberGrab/CyberGrab" []
ITEM TextEngine
(WB) "Work:Tools/TextEngine/TextEngine" []
ITEM Quarterback Tools
(WB) "Work:Tools/QB_Tools/Quarterback Tools" []
ITEM VidiAmiga12
(WB) "Work:Tools/VidiAmiga12/VidiAmiga12" []
ITEM IconCopy
(WB) "Work:Tools/IconCopy/IconCopy" []
ITEM Doubler
(WB) "Work:Tools/Copy/Doubler" []
ITEM Xcopy
(WB) "Work:Tools/Copy/XcopyPro94" []
ITEM ABackup
(WB) "Work:Tools/ABackup/ABackupEnglish" []
ITEM PC Disk
(WB) "Workbench3.9:Storage/DOSDrivers/PC0" []
ITEM RAD Disk
(WB) "Workbench3.9:Storage/DOSDrivers/RAD" []
ITEM Packmaster
(WB) "Work:Packmaster" []
ITEM HDToolBox
(WB) "Work:HDToolBox" []
ITEM Workbench
(WB) "Workbench3.9:Prefs/Workbench" []
ITEM PhotoAlbum
(WB) "Work:PhotoAlbum/PhotoAlbum" []
ITEM MD51
(WB) "Workbench3.9:Devs/DOSDrivers/DB-store/MD51" []
ITEM WhichAmiga
(WB) "Work:WhichAmiga/WhichAmiga" []
ITEM SysInfo
(WB) "Work:sysinfo/SysInfo" []
ITEM FindDevice
(WB) "Work:IDEfix97/FindDevice" []
ITEM ProGRAB24
(WB) "Work:ProGRAB24/ProGRAB24" []
ITEM ScreenMode
(WB) "Workbench3.9:Prefs/ScreenMode" []
ITEM IoTools
(WB) "Workbench3.9:Tools/IoTools" []
ITEM Eject
(WB) "Work:IDEfix97/Eject" []
ITEM Collector
(WB) "Work:Collector3.5/Collector" []
ITEM Thumb
(WB) "Work:PicShow/Thumb" []
ITEM Changer
(WB) "Ram Disk:Changer" []
ITEM WBPattern
(WB) "Workbench3.9:Prefs/WBPattern" []
ITEM Shell
(WB) "Workbench3.9:System/Shell" []
TITLE Internet
ITEM Miami
(WB) "Work:Internet/Miami/Miami" []
ITEM YAM
(WB) "Work:Internet/E-Mail/YAM" []
ITEM Voyager
(WB) "Work:Internet/WWW/Voyager/V" []
ITEM AWeb
(WB) "Workbench3.9:Internet/AWeb3SE/AWeb-II" []
END
EDIT - ToolsDaemon.menu list shortened as it was so looooooooooong!
Thanks in advance for your help :pint:
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I have ToolsDaemon working perfectly on my Amiga1 under OS4. It is Toolsdaemon version 2.1b ... I seem to recall previous versions not working properly. I have several hundred additional menu items listed in my toolsdaemon config file.... not sure why it wouldn't work with classic.
Scott
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@pjhutch
Has any one got a directory listing of what is on the CD?
As the maintainer of a FAQ on OS4, I think you should buy OS4.
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Hmmm..... I just remembered how I got ToolsDaemon to work after I upgraded form OS3.5 to OS3.9. I had to hold down the right mouse button and select 'Backdrop' from the heading 'Workbench' at the top left of the screen. After which ToolsDaemon would work ok. I just did the same for OS4 and ToolsDaemon worked on that too :-)
(not the ideal solution though :inquisitive:)
Back then I eventually managed to get a patch for ToolsDaemon in OS3.9, so now I just need one for OS4 (or an OS4 specific version of ToolsDaemon)
@ SCabit
Would you have a link to version 2.1b please as I can't see it here:-
http://aminet.net/search?name=toolsdaemon
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As the maintainer of a FAQ on OS4, I think you should buy OS4.
No! Those who benefit from the FAQ should pitch in and buy it for him!
Oh, and here's the link for 2.1b (http://main.aminet.net/util/boot/ToolsDaemon21a.lha).
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That's what it was. 2.1b was an arrexx version or something that was no longer a hack, as of 3.9 (I don't have my Amithlon box up anymore). You can use a trick menu editor that was, IMO way nicer than the original.
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pjhutch wrote:
I am thinking of starting an unofficial AmigaOS 4 for Classics FAQ on my website.
If you have any ideas or Q&A entries you have, can you reply here so I add them to the web site.
The AmigaOS 3.9 FAQ can be found here:
http://www.gregdonner.org/os39faq/os39faq.html
My website is:
http://www.pcguru.plus.com
Some useful info in this thread at aw.net (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=24894&forum=14) as well.
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Methuselas wrote:
You can use a trick menu editor that was, IMO way nicer than the original.
Do you mean like being able to right click anywhere on the screen to get a menu? You can do this in OS4 but with ToolsDaemon installed as well you have access to all those menus too.
@ AMC258
Thanks mate, but that link goes to 'ToolsDaemon21a.lha'. Hope you get your OS4 soon if you haven't already got it.
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"4. Can I use my PCI Expansion boards?
Yes, you can use expension boards such as the Mediator, Prometheus, Infinitive and RBM Onboard expanson cards. There are limitations with some peripherals
which use DMA to access memory and onboard cache which will not work on Amiga OS 4. "
So is there any possibility to hack AOS4 to use DMA? By AOS3 drivers or something??? Doesn't it mean then lack of PCI-sound? :-?
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apply this patch
http://aminet.net/util/boot/ToolsDaemon22.lha
to the 2.1a and it should work
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@AMV258
No! Those who benefit from the FAQ should pitch in and buy it for him!
Well, if that's how it works, then I'm starting a quad core mac pro FAQ right now!
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Framiga wrote:
apply this patch
http://aminet.net/util/boot/ToolsDaemon22.lha
to the 2.1a and it should work
That has fixed it thank you very much Famiga :banana:
I did think about doing that this morning, but then I thought "Naaaa!"
Cheers for the nudge :pint:
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DrValkyer wrote:
"4. Can I use my PCI Expansion boards?
Yes, you can use expension boards such as the Mediator, Prometheus, Infinitive and RBM Onboard expanson cards. There are limitations with some peripherals
which use DMA to access memory and onboard cache which will not work on Amiga OS 4. "
So is there any possibility to hack AOS4 to use DMA? By AOS3 drivers or something??? Doesn't it mean then lack of PCI-sound? :-?
Have a look at the official OS4Classic compatibility list.
OS4 does support DMA, nobody needs to hack OS4 to use DMA,
however, the OS4 PCI drivers which require DMA to main
memory and which were included with OS4 for AOne are not
included with OS4Classic because the existing PCI solutions
for classic Amigas dont support DMA to main memory (and/or
dont support 3.3V only PCI cards). The GRex should support
DMA to main memory but OS4 cant support the GRex.
The Mediator supports DMA to gfx board memory, the existing
Elbox drivers use this feature and are copying the data
between main memory and gfx board memory. Its possible to
use the Elbox drivers when you disable all OS4 PCI drivers
and install a gfx board in the Mediator.
OS4Classic includes a driver for the Terratec 128i PCI
sound card, it is mentioned on the compatibility list.
Correct me when I'm wrong, I assume that PCI slots on
Infinitive and RBM daughter boards are "passive" slots
which require a PC bridgeboard to be usable, the Amiga
side cant access those PCI slots.
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EDIT - reposted question elsewhere :-D
If you have any ideas or Q&A entries you have, can you reply here so I add them to the web site.
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/homer-doh.jpg)
Q. Does your OS4 boot partition need to be within the first 4GB of the hard drive.
A. Yes
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A4000_Mad wrote:
Q. Does your OS4 boot partition need to be within the first 4GB of the hard drive.
A. Yes
This answer applies to the internal IDE port.
When the boot partition is e.g. located on a
SCSI drive and the FlashROM version of the device
driver has no 4GB problem, the answer would be "No".
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Oh, ok thanks TetiSoft,
I learn it from a book :-D
AmigaOS4 Quickstart Guide wrote:
You should use a completely blank, freshly formatted partition, and it must be within the first four gigabytes of the drive (otherwise the ROM SCSI device may not find it). It must use a file system that allows long file names.
8-) Merry Xmas :pint:
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Could any one provide me with the following information to add to my AOS 4 FAQ:
a) A complete feature list.
b) A Complete directory listing of the files as a text file(eg dir all >list.txt) of the CD.
Thanks!
Also, can anyone confirm the following?
a) AmigaOS 3.x can use Phase 5's ppc library and/or Haage & Partner's WarpUp library. Are either of these emulated in AOS 4 or does it have its own system for running pre-AOS4 PPC titles?
b) What graphics support does it use? P96 or CGFX or both?
c) Does it support 3D graphics? OpenGL, Warp3D?
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"a) AmigaOS 3.x can use Phase 5's ppc library and/or Haage & Partner's WarpUp library. Are either of these emulated in AOS 4 or does it have its own system for running pre-AOS4 PPC titles?"
Nope
"b) A Complete directory listing of the files as a text file(eg dir all >list.txt) of the CD."
a full dirlist on the net, is not a good idea if you ask me!
... P96 only
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Humm,
a) Which pre-OS4 PPC software can run on AmigaOS 4? Games? Apps? or will they have to be re-written?
b) I wasn't planning on uploading the list to the net, but will help me develop the FAQ further using it and answer any questions..
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The original ToolsDaemon gave one extra menu called 'Utils'. By some fluke I was able to add more titles which went right across the top of the Workbench screen.
It wasn't a fluke, it's a feature, you tick "Menu" to make it a new menu. Viola, now it's more than just "Utils".
As for getting it going under OS4, perhaps the OS3.9 update patches will help. There's also patches in the REMApollo archive.
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A4000_Mad wrote:
Methuselas wrote:
You can use a trick menu editor that was, IMO way nicer than the original.
Do you mean like being able to right click anywhere on the screen to get a menu? You can do this in OS4 but with ToolsDaemon installed as well you have access to all those menus too.
No, it was a new Prefs prog for TD that was *WAY* easier and more efficient to use, than the original. I remember it had a bug or something, though. It only worked with the 2.1b version, but after 3.9 ToolsDaemon was no longer a hack. The changes H&P did made it useable as an actual commodity, if I remember correctly.
I don't remember, to be honest. My Amithlon drive was scavenged, 'cos I lost my Windoze boot drive. :cry:
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is it possible to run both amiga os3.9 and os4 from the same hard drive on an amiga 1200 system? I already have os3.9 set up on a 1200 with a blizzard ppc. I received the os4 cd this week, and was thinking to install it on the first partition, but I wanted to backup the os3.9 boot partition onto one of the other partitions.
After installing os4, if I power on the computer, it should reboot, reboot and go into os4. but if I access the early startup menu and select the partition with os3.9, that should work alternately, right?
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you can have AmigaOS3 9, AmigaOS4 and MOS for PowerUP on the same disk.
The only advice, since the 3 OSs installs some resident stuff, it would be better to switchOFF the system switching from an OS to the other (there are "tricks" to avoid this).
i.e If you give to AmigaOS4 the higher priority, to be able to boot in AmigaOS3.9, you have to enter in the EarlySS, chose the OS3.9 boot partition, disable the AOS4 partition doing all this 2 times (because AOS3.9 perform a second reboot at the setpatch)
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Q. Does 'PicShow' with 'Thumb' work in OS4?
A. No
Q. Does 'PhotoAlbum' with 'CyberShow' work in OS4?
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/PhotoAlbum-1.jpg)
A. Yes :-)
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@A4000_Mad
Q. Does 'PicShow' with 'Thumb' work in OS4?
A. No
They both work fine on my Micro with OS4
http://mitglied.lycos.de/thomasrapp/amiga/support.html
So do the following thumb creators/viewers:
PhotoAlbum
PicView
Collector
AmiPhoto
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4095
#6
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Thanks number6,
In your experience with OS4, can you do anything to get a prog to work after receiving a report like this for PicShow?
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/PicShow-1.jpg)
Or this for Thumb?
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/Thumb.jpg)
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Any idea on how to use a CDRW as a "floppy"? I`v mounted the CDRW & CDMRW volumes, correcting the devices (DEVICE=scsi.device , UNIT=1), but no luck: when the Prefs/FormatCDRW is launched and select QuickFormat, the disk becomes unreadable ...
The BlankDisk & FormatCD-RW give errors when clicked.
When the CD is ejected, I get the following error
SCSI command 00 00 00 00 00 00 failed
sense: 70 00 02 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 3A 00 00 00 00 00
Keep in mind that under 3.x everythink works flawlessly (just to exlude new h/w & cabling errors)...
P.S. I had some strange problems (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=24894&forum=14&start=180&viewmode=flat&order=0#418577) with the CybSCSI HD, but I`m waiting an Active Terminator to rule out any possibility (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=24894&forum=14&start=180&viewmode=flat&order=0#419732) (see "Tips & Tricks #6, page 35 on the Quickstart Giude ;-) ).
@A4000_Mad
When GrimReaper appears, it`s dead end. You can always try your luck with "more" and "continue" the binary execution... but the error will popup soon again :-(
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@A4000_Mad
Personally I had several failures for different reasons.
(1)Make sure you are running current versions (obviously)
(2)Be sure to use native jpeg.library on OS4depot as stated
(3)Do NOT use WOS versions or powerpc.library from OS4 updates#3 and #4. You will get conflicts.
(4)Remember that not all files are included on CD and OS4depot, as mentioned above is a good place to check for native files, to replace 68k versions that may be troublesome. Aminet is fine for this research too, but I can not guarantee all PPC files from OS4depot are on Aminet. Still other PPC files are only available from author's websites. Wish it wasn't this way for convenience sake, but..such is life.
(5)Snoopdos is not recommended under OS4 for reasons Tetisoft can better explain, but you CAN try it to check resources not found. Not infallible by any means, but worth a shot. Do not try to change prefs. It will crash. (known problem)
(6)Ranger (by ssolie) on OS4depot is a better choice than Scout for accuracy and what it covers. Currently, it's one of the best diagnostic tools the average user has for OS4.
(7)I have also seen a corrupted prefs file cause a fatal error in picshow, so it's always worth checking as last resort and deleting and creating a new one.
Let us know please if any of this helps.
#6
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That will be very helpful thanks #6 :-)
Can you just confirm that a report from the Grim Reaper does not mean it's time to give up as far as getting something to work in OS4 is concerned?
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/WHDLoad-grab.jpg)
I believe it does for WHDLoad above though?
Oh! When I first used the ToolsPrefs of ToolsDaemon I was simply told that 'reqtools.library' was required and didn't get a nasty report from the Grim Reaper. I put the library into OS4:Libs and away it went :-)
@ Cass
Oops! Just noticed the part of your post addressed to me (prehaps you added it later ;-)). Sorry, but I haven't got as far as checking out your promble yet.