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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: sdyates on December 16, 2007, 04:40:57 AM
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Amiga Inc said they would be releasing their new OS in the fourth quarter. I have not even bothered to ask folks at various resellers to hear if they have heard anything. I guess famed oS 5.0 is the most popular vapourware as it is rapidly evaporating... ok that was silly...
Seriously, does anyone think we will receive a last minute announcement like we did last year from hyperion?
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No. No surprises here.
They're waiting for the courts to figure out their contracts as are Hyperion.
I think they should just scrap the old deals and start from new, assuming the roles of OEM OS vendor with great product to sell, and purveyors of The Name, who desperately need something with their name on it which they can sell/pair up with their partners and get some money. After all, they're forever protesting to their creditors (the ones still bothering to care) that they're not the same company under the same contracts.. Yet they ARE the same company for Hyperion?! I guess it's an IP thing :-/
Seriously, do Amiga think people are just going to stop using their iPhones and FLOCK OVER to Amiga's GREAT NEW CEL PHONE HIJINKS?! Oh yes, I can run Omega OS 5 on my cel-this iPhone is a piece of crap! I'll just wipe all that Jobs junk off its ROM and stick Amega on there instead! :-D (for the thick: Yes, I'm being sarcastic here!)
That's what Amiga are really hoping to get into, and I wish them luck and all-but seriously! It's 2007, OK almost 2008, and anything/everything they want to do can/is already being done. It's called JAVA, guys! Apple has officially beaten you to the punch. Do you think no one will ever write a dashboard widget to allow the remote purchase of greasy refreshments during sporting events? OK, what ever you need to tell yourselves.
For the love of Pete, would they just figure it out: they are the owners of a retro-geek toy! Embrace it, enjoy it, package Mini-Migs into Joysticks, D64 style, sell them at Fred Meyer and be happy!!
Please, Amiga, use your skills for this instead of the other crap. You'll actually make money, get some real street cred, and even make money for your partners.
THAT would be a great Christmas surprise for everyone, Amiga!
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sdyates wrote:
I guess famed oS 5.0 is the most popular vapourware as it is rapidly evaporating... ok that was silly...
As it stands, I *STILL* think Duke Nukem Forever has them beat for most popular vaporware.
:lol:
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@Tron,
Hey Mate,
Did you ever get compensation for all the BS you went through?? o_O
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Nah. Same old story.
Even if it did exist it would just be some bog-standard Linux distro with an Amiga desktop theme (done really badly as well).
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Its too bad there was a lawsuit - Hyperion is the only one that has actually come out with anything!
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I dont think A.inc is going to release anything for us anymore, after so many disappointments we just cant trust them anymore.
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You trusted them? :inquisitive:
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Tron2k2 tried:
Seriously, do Amiga think people are just going to stop using their iPhones and FLOCK OVER to Amiga's GREAT NEW CEL PHONE HIJINKS?!
:roll: Dude, for the record, and if you read Amiga, Inc's announcement again, Amiga never said they had a contract to put AmigaOS on a cell phone. They said it had been for a product that would sell in numbers surpassing the iPhone.
That product may or may not have been a cell phone; we cannot conclude that it was one, as you have done.
;-) °º(And also for the record, I'd love to see Amiga OS on a cell phone....)
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I dont think A.inc is going to release anything for us anymore, after so many disappointments we just cant trust them anymore.
Do you really need them and their :mickeymouse: IP anymore? :roll:
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
Do you really need them and their :mickeymouse: IP anymore? :roll:
Dammy
Not when we have AROS. ;-)
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Methuselas wrote:
dammy wrote:
Do you really need them and their :mickeymouse: IP anymore? :roll:
Dammy
Not when we have AROS. ;-)
No we dont need them anymore, but it would be nice if someone could come out with some new hardware that supports Hyperions OS4 :roll:
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Not surprised at all. We probably get an announcment before
christmas about their unability to realease it before the
lawsuit with Hyperion is out of the way. (( nice excuse )
AROS is most definetly the ONLY sane way forward.
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I'd be very much surprised if the did deliver. :-P
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I don't remember them saying that they were going to release it... I remember them saying that they were going to release information on it...
And as much has I don't think it's gunna happen.. They do still have 15 days... Although that should give them more than enough time to make up some fake screenshots and info :p
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meega wrote:
You trusted them? :inquisitive:
well yes i trusted them, but now i know better..
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The only surprise is that they're not in jail.
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Well, regardless of whether they say they are going to release it or just talk more about it, I doubt it will ever happen. Name something they have released for us regular users.
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Bill @ Co. know they are the butt of all jokes in the Amiga world and beyond. By saying things like they do it keeps them in the media. Had him and his cohorts not said anything at all AI would be forgotten.
So what I'm wondering.. Will AI just die and go away? They're like one of your stepparents post divorce.. You have nothing to say to them yet they linger around.
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Bill @ Co. know they are the butt of all jokes in the Amiga world and beyond. By saying things like they do it keeps them in the media. Had him and his cohorts not said anything at all AI would be forgotten.
They probably wished we all would forget them, completely. The point that has been made over and over again, they see the Amiga Community as a bunch of nutjobs. We haven't been their target market since the formation of Amino.
So what I'm wondering.. Will AI just die and go away? They're like one of your stepparents post divorce.. You have nothing to say to them yet they linger around.
No, they will be around for a long time to come with the IP and Pentti's cash. I'm sure they wish we all would die and go away though. The only company I can see going down for good is Hyperion. They lose these law suits, including the OS4 Devs suing them, they are toast. Hyperion does not have the financial backing and can not possibly survive the massive amount of bills piling up should they lose.
Dammy
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Wont we survive anyway? Look at all the end-all saviours that vanished in the past! And I'll bet there are technically more Amiga fans now with UAE and all.
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I think it would be nice if they went under so we would stop having them on our mind. We don't expect anything, but it is like winning the lottery, once in a while you might get a free ticket and that keeps you in it...
Little revenue and they are still around -- hard to fathom
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Heh, not surprised either, although BinoX I think is correct: it was an announcement about information forthcoming, not a product or anything (what's wrong with you? they can't make physical things! didn't you know?)
Anyhow, I'm surprised they've also not gone completely bankrupt and put to jail yet. Out of all the ex-suitors of the Amiga (ESCOM, Gateway, etc), they're the longest living! For some reason the Commodore/Amiga curse hasn't killed them yet! It's like the saying "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger", but unfortunately with the wrong player in mind. They're like damn {bleep}roaches! Nuclear bugs! Arggg! DIE already! Amiga is OURS. You'll never have it!
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Manu wrote:
AROS is most definetly the ONLY sane way forward.
AROS is anything but sane. :-D
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Amiga Inc is a company that outsources American IT jobs to India, they make their money n dotNet development. They sell a few old software titles but *nothing* for Amiga or Mac. Amiga Inc is a Microsoft shop.
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if you live in usa you can sue ainc for 10 years of lies and broken promises to customers and you will win... get 100 people or more and bring the evil ainc down to its knees!! :-x
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@A1260
And what would you win, a badge?
Join the "I sued Amiga, Inc. and won club"...it would be no more or less exclusive than the, I paid for a t-shirt and received one club.
The players are shuffling corporations around, win one judgement, they come back with a new corporation that magically bought the rights.
Not to say, someone in hindsight, couldn't have timed things just slightly better, and forced them into bankruptcy liquidation and forced the ip liquidation into a trustee's hands...thereby preventing the asset shuffle.
But the people that won their cases, weren't going for that...the people that wanted that, had somewhat trumped up cases....
and so it goes...I think for most people its not worth the time to go to court...it's not that Amiga, Inc. would win...its that no one wins...by the time you get to Court everyone loses, only the lawyers make money.
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Is anyone surprised AMiga Inc has not released their OS as promised?
No.
Hans
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Is anyone surprised AMiga Inc has not released their OS as promised?
No.
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dammy,
They probably wished we all would forget them, completely. The point that has been made over and over again, they see the Amiga Community as a bunch of nutjobs. We haven't been their target market since the formation of Amino.
I just can't figure out why they wanted the Amiga name and related IP so much. The IP has turned out to be worthless for AInc. except for initating lawsuits, and as you say they probably would prefer everyone who remembers the real Amiga to just go away so they can get on with - well, whatever crap it is they eventually get on with.
Of course I wonder the same thing about Hyperion as well.
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they got the ip to tease and dangle it infront of the face of the amigausers while they put it in the locker and throw away the key... :angry:
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Methuselas wrote:
sdyates wrote:
I guess famed oS 5.0 is the most popular vapourware as it is rapidly evaporating... ok that was silly...
As it stands, I *STILL* think Duke Nukem Forever has them beat for most popular vaporware.
:lol:
Duke Nukem Forever will be bundled with OS5. The targetting hardware is the upcoming 3x5x6xdoubletriplequad core cpus by ACK.
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CoolamigaN wrote:
Duke Nukem Forever will be bundled with OS5. The targetting hardware is the upcoming 3x5x6xdoubletriplequad core cpus by ACK.
No....
3DRealms doesn't have a *LICENSE*. :lol:
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Methuselas wrote:
CoolamigaN wrote:
Duke Nukem Forever will be bundled with OS5. The targetting hardware is the upcoming 3x5x6xdoubletriplequad core cpus by ACK.
No....
3DRealms doesn't have a *LICENSE*. :lol:
Damn it! you are right.
But still from what I hear *a* license will leak on the internet like OS4 Macmini boot loader and ACube will also act as the exclusive worldwide distributer of it.
How this will work, I have no idea :-P
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CoolamigaN wrote:
Duke Nukem Forever will be bundled with OS5. The targetting hardware is the upcoming 3x5x6xdoubletriplequad core cpus by ACK.
Something with calculation of possibility, a snowball and the greenhouse effect in the afterlife.. or something like that
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Methuselas wrote:
sdyates wrote:
I guess famed oS 5.0 is the most popular vapourware as it is rapidly evaporating... ok that was silly...
As it stands, I *STILL* think Duke Nukem Forever has them beat for most popular vaporware.
:lol:
Oh? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWuteFLUPSY)
Looks like DNF might just beat OS5 to the starting gate!
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persia wrote:
Amiga Inc is a company that outsources American IT jobs to India, they make their money n dotNet development.
Actually they've been an international corporation with a skeleton crew in several countries for a long time. Those IT jobs aren't American and, with the exception of their bit to be the first company with an AOT compiler called AmigaDE, there never were American jobs.
Furthermore they'd be lucky to find enough American programmers to make any headway since the IT industry has rebounded to its internet boom levels in most areas in the U.S. It's only the investment capital that is lagging in the U.S. economy.
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downix wrote:
Oh? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWuteFLUPSY)
Looks like DNF might just beat OS5 to the starting gate!
Oh! Wow! It's about time. That's recent too!
Pssh. Screw Amiga Inc now! Long live 3DRealms!!!! :lol:
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What would really help Amiga is if there were less lawsuit developments and more software developments.
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In all honesty, I'm surprised that Amiga, Inc. hasn't been cited for money laundering.... :lol:
That's the only reason I think they're doing the whole "Amiga" thing. Having the Amiga IP gives them a "valid", paper company. :roll:
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Interesting, the IT folks I know in the US must be in a unique situation, they find the job environment their awful. I know we have a problem here in Australia, with outsourcing to India taking our jobs, everything I hear about American seems to be as bad or worse.
That aside, what does Amiga Development India do if not provide outsourcing services to America?
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persia wrote:
That aside, what does Amiga Development India do if not provide outsourcing services to America?
Pr0n. :-P
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@persia:
M$ shop. That's the sad truth, indeed.
@A1260:
And after the court, we'd get a promise that they'd send us the money, but of course being a promise from AInc... Well you know how it'll go :-)
@MarkTime:
Exactly!!! Hahahaha. Win a badge or some other lame sh*t.
And exactly on the spot with the "no one but the lawyers win" :-( And this is unfortunately another part of the unfair justice system here. The sueing is only happening from those with large sums.
@jorkany:
Although I don't possess any specific knowledge, I wondered the same thing and my conclusion was that they must have used the IP to make deals with other companies, but without resorting to legal avenues, by just cutting smaller deals. You know what I mean? Smaller extortion, but for such petty thieves that they seem to be, good enough. Part of the reason for this thinking is that Carl Sassenrath mentioned at last year's AmiWest that he still is quite busy with Amiga IP and companies knocking on his door to ask for technical advice in various IP cases. So guess who else would be involved? (like I said, this is not based on facts, but deductive logic on my part)
@CoolamigaN/Methuselas:
:laughing: Ah, that was good!
@downix:
GASP! I guess now OS5 must be coming out in a couple of days, through the chimney, carried by Santa all the way from Washington!! :-D
@Pyromania:
Indeed!
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@da9000
You let the secret out about Amiga OS 5.0! Santa will be delivering it himself to everyone around the world on Christmas morning. Now I understand the silence and it all finally makes sense.
:-D
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And along with OS5, Santa will be delivering cold fusion and faster-than-light signaling.
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@Methuselas
Did you ever actually try doing what you Avatar is doing ? Cos' I think if WE all did that, we would all really start believing that OS 5 is coming... Ehhmmm ... Tomorrow !!! *WowColorsAllAround* :-)
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C'mon boys and girls theres to much negativity in these posts I honestly beleive that 0S5 will be presented to us on Xmas day at 12.00am by a short tubby guy in a red suit
fair dinkum "aussie slang" for the truth. But then again I also believe in the tooth fairy pleeze lighten up.:-)
P.S Hope you all have a very happy xmas and a fantastic new year, and please look out for Santa.
Bye
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@BigMac
Im happy :-) ... Anyway ... May I take a bite of your avatar ?? :-P
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At least we got some new hardware this year, the MINIMIG :pint: :banana: :violin:
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Andeda wrote:
At least we got some new hardware this year, the MINIMIG :pint: :banana: :violin:
Now we just need AROS on the MiniMig and we'd have AInc-free Amigas.
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Don't know about everyone here but expecting something from the evil A is like trying to milk a bull.... get u nothing but pain... :-D :roflmao:
Have a Merry Xmas everyone.
OH PS i've booby trap the chimney I don't want OS 5.0 :-P
PPS: something = somethng useful for us.
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Have you seen the movie "Barnyard?" I used to say nothing more useless than tits on a bull, but then came the movie...
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A now 3drealms has actually released a new teaser for duke nukem forever. :-o
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A-Inc sucks period. THey are the worst excuse for a so called company that i can think of. They made a fool of themselves and the Amiga with the supposed naming the Arena thing here in Washington, they can't keep their promises and most importantly they have only been able to mass produce headaches and anger from everyone. If A-Inc would leave the Amiga scene then at least we wouldn't feel so ticked off. I just dont understand why they keep hanging around. Its kinda like the pesky kid at school that no one likes yet he still is there. Hmmnn Anyways Merry Christmas all. Oh yeah I think the ACK company is a few days behind thier "New" hardware deadline :-D
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persia wrote:
Have you seen the movie "Barnyard?" I used to say nothing more useless than tits on a bull, but then came the movie...
:laughing:
Yeah, that movie should be banned for confusing children (and adults). Cows with male voices! In which species do males have mammaries? There's some serious gender confusion in that movie.
Hans
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TheMud wrote:
@Methuselas
Did you ever actually try doing what you Avatar is doing ? Cos' I think if WE all did that, we would all really start believing that OS 5 is coming... Ehhmmm ... Tomorrow !!! *WowColorsAllAround* :-)
No, but said woman in the picture was an avid Amiga user, back in the day. :-D
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Methuselas wrote:
No, but said woman in the picture was an avid Amiga user, back in the day. :-D
Out of curiosity, who is said woman? Is it this Miki character from our signature?
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I'm not surprised they have to wait for the courts to work out the issues with Hyperion. I'm sure it boils down to Hyperion wanting to keep developing it and Amiga, Inc. saying - we'll take it from here.
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Bah! I think figuring out the snorting character's name is more interesting than the original topic :-)
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I think it's Miki from Lush (Always thought she lived up to the name). Great band back in the day, until they jumped on the Brit pop bandwagon.