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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: A4000_Mad on December 12, 2007, 02:46:38 PM
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Just wondering what you think of it so far and what programs you might be trying from OS4Depot (http://os4depot.net/)
So far I like the way you can just plug a PC monitor onto your GFX card and insert the OS4 BootFloppy & CD to get the installation started. Then after selecting your GFX card the installation continues in 800x600 16bit screenmode 8-)
I also like the way I was able to download an OS4 version of my favourite DirectoryOpus4 (directoryopus.lha) from here (http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool)
And I really like the way I was able to simply edit the icon ZIC to 'oktagon.device' and 'Unit 5' and have my SCSI Zip 100 working on my A4000 :-)
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Haven't been using it too much yet, on my A1200/Mediator the gfx are corrupted and slow so I'm waiting for an update from HJF which will take care of the problems
On my A4000T/CV64 gfx card I've been using it briefly an evening after installing it and so far I'm impressed, tried Tunenet and did some web browsing and watched an mpeg movie with DVPlayer.
I'ts feels faster and more powerful that MorphOS PowerUP
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Do any 68k games work at all? I heard you could get Eye Of The Beholder II working directly under AmigaOne OS4 (one of my favourite games 8-) )!
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by AMIGAZ on 2007/12/12 14:58:07
Haven't been using it too much yet, on my A1200/Mediator the gfx are corrupted and slow so I'm waiting for an update from HJF which will take care of the problems
I installed OS4 on my Mediator based machine with a VooDoo 3 3000 card, but every time I got to the CGFX WB screen on the VooDoo the system hung. I tried to go back to my original OS3.9 as I have been so disappointed.
There is nowhere near enough information about how to get the setup right for a Mediator on an A1200 with OS4, in fact nothing in the quickstart booklet, that is if they have actually got it to work reliably with the basic setup from the CD and floppy disk for an A1200 with a Mediator.
So far, very disappointed, and no information on Acube or Hyperions site to ask or offer any information as to how to fix these problems.
I wrote to Hyperion a couple of weeks ago, and I have still not had a reply as yet.
In fact I am thinking of returning the software to the supplier, but tried to contact AmigaKit yesterday, and their phone rang out, and then seemed to get picked up, but no automatic service, which is usual, or anyone else answering, just no response.
How did you install your A1200, by way of the clean/new partition install method with the floppy boot disk, or via the install from OS3.x method ?
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@Nearly-Right
I am sorry to hear you had difficulties. OS4 classic should work "out of the box" with the Mediator and Voodoo. There are not extra drivers required. You do have to pay attention to the installation which, I believe, asks you if you have a Mediator or not.
Unfortunately a bug was discovered after release with the "LT" version of the Mediator - which is for A1200's. A fix is coming soon, so hang in there. OS4 classic is definately worth the wait and will breath new life into your system.
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There's also a gfx corruption bug which alot of A1200 owners are suffering from...me also but Rogue (Hans Jörg Frieden( is working on a fix
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LOL
I _tried_ to install in on my GREX4000D amiga.
I deleted a parition COMPLETELLY from 3.9
then I cold-booted the amiga.
the OS4 installation begun, I made an OS4 partition in the empty space (thouhj media toolbox corrected something on the HD, luckily it still loads OK)
so after a lenghty installation, I finally rebooted... but wait! not that fast keropi! where is the OS4 partition? nowhere? what do u mean nowhere? it must be somewhere!
seriously NO, there is no OS4 partition to select from early startup-menu...
maybe the fact that I use PFS3 is to blame?
edit: amazing, after 3 days I booted from it! though the partitions after the OS4 one are greyed out, it boots!
os4+aga is not very nice btw :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I am wondering if some of the problems with using OS4 stem from using an Ethernet 3Com 3CCE589EC PCMCIA card I tried to use with OS4.
I have never needed or used the PCMCIA port on OS3.x for anything other than a Squirrel SCSI before, and I of course know there are problems with the resets with a PCMCIA Ethernet card with an A1200.
I have installed the CardReset, and CardPatch files onto my OS3.9 system with the entry in my Startup-sequence after the setpatch entry as follows: CardReset TICKS 15 FORCE AUDIO YES, and on the next line CardPatch, but when I boot my machine with the card fully inserted in the PCMCIA slot it stops/hangs just after the Workbench screen title appears, and before any graphics/backdrop/icons appear.
If I insert the card after bootup, and virtually as soon as I use my Spider/Mediator based USB mouse the system locks up/hangs.
I have an 060/240Mhz PPC Blizzard card (Revision 1 I seem to remember), and I have seen that there may be problems with using the software with such a card/CPU so wondered if there is a hardware fix that sorts the problem out?
Or any other advice about how to use the 3Com Ethernet card correctly, from anyone using such a card, thanks. ;-)
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@Keropi
Cool!
Can you post a screenshot of OS4 on AGA...?
Im curious as to what it looks like/how bad it is... if I got a PPC Accelerator + OS4, AGA would be the only thing I could run on, unless I bought a tower + mediator + voodoo (expensive)
:-)
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I'ts feels faster and more powerful that MorphOS PowerUP
This is good to hear!
Have you perform any OS4 Vs MOS benchmarks to see if you get more FPS from games like shogo or Heretic2? Less frame-skipping while playing movies with Amp and Frogger?
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DBAlex wrote:
@Keropi
Cool!
Can you post a screenshot of OS4 on AGA...?
Im curious as to what it looks like/how bad it is... if I got a PPC Accelerator + OS4, AGA would be the only thing I could run on, unless I bought a tower + mediator + voodoo (expensive)
:-)
Isn't there a driver for the Cybervision 8mb Permedia card attached to the CyberStorm?
Does MOS 1.4.5 have a driver for that config?
(Too lazy to look it up myself, I am on vacation this weekend and typing from the hotel room) :lol:
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DBAlex wrote:
Can you post a screenshot of OS4 on AGA...?
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/OS4AGA-1.png)
Ain't it beautiful? :love:
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amigadave wrote:
Isn't there a driver for the Cybervision 8mb Permedia card attached to the CyberStorm?
(Too lazy to look it up myself, I am on vacation this weekend and typing from the hotel room) :lol:
When going through the OS4 installation you have a choice of these:-
AGA
CybervisionPPC/BlizzardVisionPPC
CyberVision3D
CyberVision64
Domino
Graffity
Merlin
Picasso II
Picasso IV
Piccolo
Piccolo SD64
Pixel 64
Retina BLT
Spectrum
Voodoo PCI
Permedia 2 PCI
(lazy bones :lol:)
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@A4000_Mad
Wow, isn't actually that bad!
Looks fairly good... For AGA!
How fast are window-draws etc... is it laggy to move windows etc... or does it just default to the "windows are redrawn when youve stopped moving them" like on OS3.x?
Anyway, looks nice... for AGA! :-) :-D
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Isn't there a driver for the Cybervision 8mb Permedia card attached to the CyberStorm?
Does MOS 1.4.5 have a driver for that config?
(Too lazy to look it up myself, I am on vacation this weekend and typing from the hotel room)
I'm a student... go figure :-)
I wish I could afford a PPC card let alone a Cybervision, anything is possible but ££ is always the main limiter for me... :-)
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Just loved the screenshot ! Looks really cool.
Wish I had a PPC...
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You know, before OS4'classic' was announced (for real this time) I wished I hadn't bought a PPC!
Okay, I want to know, am I still the only one waiting for my copy of OS4??? :-? :-? :-? :-? Actually, I know it is on it's way here but just now I'm actually getting anxious.
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l hope ur postie isint a amiga fan ;-(
:-D
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i think OS4 for Classic is a greatest news, but does OS4 run well on every classic PPC?
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AmigaOS 4 works on every classic PPC hardware additional with this hardware components:
http://www.acube-systems.com/compatibility/
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DBAlex wrote:
@A4000_Mad
Wow, isn't actually that bad!
Looks fairly good... For AGA!
How fast are window-draws etc... is it laggy to move windows etc... or does it just default to the "windows are redrawn when youve stopped moving them" like on OS3.x?
Anyway, looks nice... for AGA! :-) :-D
Erm........ I haven't really bothererd looking at what the windows are doing yet as I'm more interested in getting my devices and programs working etc, but:-
OS4 Quickstart Guide wrote:
5. Holding down CRTL and ALT allows you to resize a window by dragging any border of the window.
6. Holding down CRTL and LAmiga allows you to move a window by dragging any part of it (not just the title bar)
7. Holding down LAmiga allows you to drag your screen from any point.
8. Holding down RAmiga will move your selected icons horizontally or vertically (depending on the initial mouse movement)
9. Pressing SHIFT key when you drag a screen allows you to drag it in all directions even if this feature has not been enabled in Preferences.
Don't know if that is anything fantastic or not :lol:
AeroMan wrote:
Just loved the screenshot ! Looks really cool.
Do you wanna see it in 24 bit screenmode? :-D
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@Nearly-Right
If you're still having troubles, try this thread (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=24894&forum=14) over on aw.net. Rogue and other OS4 developers are posting replies there.
Hans
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@A4000_MAD - If that's an AGA screenshot I'm a pregnant squid!
@thread - So far not loving it too much. I'm having similar problems to everyone else with my 3com card, despite the first option in the "new connection" menu being for said hardware. I'm confused as to how they expect any of those options to work, since the DEVS/Networks folder (and its storage counterpart) have virtually nothing in them.
Also, everything seems way slower than I expected, even with minimal resolution and graphical effects in place. DV player won't work (unable to open a screen or something) and so far no official follow ups by Hyperion to the various reports of stuff not working.
Basically I was hoping it would be like a slightly vamped up 3.9 with PPC speed (I've had no contact with 4.0 before now other than seeing the occasional screenshot).
On the good side, it does install like a dream, and the HD templates are a stroke of genius.
Here's waiting for the Hyperion.com downloads section to start filling up a bit...
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lurkist wrote:
I'm having similar problems to everyone else with my 3com card, despite the first option in the "new connection" menu being for said hardware. I'm confused as to how they expect any of those options to work, since the DEVS/Networks folder (and its storage counterpart) have virtually nothing in them.
IIRC there were reports that the 3com589.device works,
and reports stating the opposite. The card is not on the
OS4 compatibility list. cnet.device is listed there as
working. OS4 does not include third-party network drivers
but offers you a list in the "New Connection" wizard.
For a basic ethernet network with a router to the outer
world, you can use Prefs/Internet instead of Internet/New Connection which is more for dialup and PPP stuff.
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lurkist wrote:
@A4000_MAD - If that's an AGA screenshot I'm a pregnant squid!
Well you had better start having those baby squid mate :lol:
That previous screengrab was PAL: 640 x 256 Interlaced (no GFX card was in the A4000)
Here were the installation settings.....
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/OS4-Settings.png)
And we might as well finish off with an 800 x 600 24bit screengrab (CyberVision64/3D refitted) :-)
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/800x60024bit.jpg)
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/2gbJaz-Glow-1.jpg)8-)
:cheers:
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lurkist wrote:
DV player won't work (unable to open a screen or something)
Yeah I've got problems with DV Player as well. I've got sound but no picture. However, if I click on the player and nudge it around a bit, the picture comes and goes while I'm moving it. But whenever the player is still there's no picture at all (it's just black) :-?
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@TetiSoft - I've tried both methods, no success I'm afraid.
@A4000_MAD - Hmm, you have the "BootVGA" and "Monitor - Amiga Monitor (15 kHz)" going. I've been passing these options by as I have a scandoubler and PC monitor and wondered if they would damage something. What's your setup?
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lurkist wrote:
What's your setup?
I'm currently playing around with an A4000/PPC 604e 233Mhz with 060/50, CV64/3D, Oktagon SCSI card with Zip 100, Phase5 scandoubler in video slot and PC monitor.
To get the AGA screengrab reqested by DBAlex, I took out my CV64/3D and went through the whole installation again using a different HDD and didn't select a GFX card from the list. I just left it as AGA, Amiga 15 khz with BootVGA box ticked.
When I booted into OS4 and went into Prefs/Screenmode I could see that it was in pal:640 x 512 Interlaced :-)
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A4000_Mad wrote:
Yeah I've got problems with DV Player as well. I've got sound but no picture. However, if I click on the player and nudge it around a bit, the picture comes and goes while I'm moving it. But whenever the player is still there's no picture at all (it's just black) :-?
You can try to use the NOOVERLAY tooltype of DVPlayer,
on a PicassoIV this fixes the problem.
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TetiSoft wrote:
You can try to use the NOOVERLAY tooltype of DVPlayer,
on a PicassoIV this fixes the problem.
That has fixed it thanks you genius :pint:
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/grouphug1.gif)
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AmigaOS 4 works on every classic PPC hardware additional
Does it work with Amiga 2000 PPC cards?
Yes, I know that they weren't really "released" (but some people have prototypes) and I'm not really blaming anyone if it doesn't work.
But (trying to) run OS4 on such harwdare would be way too crazy thing to NOT do it, you know :-)
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The screenshot which A4000_Mad posted is beautiful, but noone noticed that only 400KB of free chip-ram is left? This is practically unusable! I always assumed that the functionality of FBlit was intergrated into the OS4. I guess not... :-/
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Pref/Workbench/Icons > Images in "Other memory" will help!
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Not much though..
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Does OS4 need much chipmen in the same way as os3.9 and earlier . Is the OS not built to use ram on the accelerator instead.
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AGA screenmodes are generated by the custom chips, which only have access to Chip RAM.
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moto
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So if your running on GFX card its not an issue then ?
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Correct. GFX card screenmodes utilise the memory on the GFX card, not chip RAM.
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moto
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like with AOS3.x, ChipRam is not used (or very few bites) on a RTG equipped Amiga.
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And as very little games and things will run that need chipram it shoulddnt be a problem.
Stuff ported to OS4 will obviously not use it at all as it runs on OS4 as well ?
Will everyhting that runs an A1 potentially run on OS4 classic
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@ AmigaMance
Thanks for the comment about my screengrabs :pint:
Note that I had used a program called CyberGrab to put a 400K ILBM image in RAM prior to copying it to my Zip 100 to take it elsewhere for conversion to PNG. I would say that the actual amount of chip RAM available before starting any programs would be nearly 800K.
EDIT - With the AmigaOS4 backdrop disabled in WBPattern, this goes up to over 1.2 MB :-)
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JJ wrote:
Stuff ported to OS4 will obviously not use it at all as it runs on OS4 as well ?
Depends on the port. If it is ported to run on an AGA screenmode then it will still use chip RAM. But if it is written to open on an RTG screen then it will use fast RAM. The rules on RAM usage are the same in OS4 are the same as they are in every other version of Amiga OS.
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moto
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But as im guessing neraly everything ported to OS4 was donee on an A1 and not with classic in mind then there should be very few progs like this
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@A4000_Mad
I see. ok, 1.2MB is bearable. :-)
@motorollin
AGA screenmodes are generated by the custom chips, which only have access to Chip RAM.
I'm sure you have heard of FBlit before, haven't you? Classic OS users benefits from its function for more than a decade. A supposly much more advance OS like OS4 should have this feature intergraded.
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Why bother , when not much is going to use chipmem
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congratulations all those that have it up and running! :-) It's been a long time coming but it's fantastic to see it finally here. (at least for Classic users)
I'm really hoping someone will create a YouTube video demonstrating it in action ;)
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AmigaMance wrote:
@motorollin
AGA screenmodes are generated by the custom chips, which only have access to Chip RAM.
I'm sure you have heard of FBlit before, haven't you? Classic OS users benefits from its function for more than a decade. A supposly much more advance OS like OS4 should have this feature intergraded.
FBlit is a third-party 68k patch for OS3.
Its likely that it is not compatible to everything
which runs under OS3, then you have the option to not
use it. If it would be integrated in OS4 it could not be
disabled, reducing backwards compatibility.
IMHO it should be possible to create an OS4 compatible
version of FBlit. But for OS4 a gfx board is recommended
anyway so it doesnt matter much.
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I've just had a go at setting up a hard drive that can boot into either OS3.9 or OS4 :-)
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/Dual-Boot.jpg)
My findings........
1. I could *not* boot into OS4 then do a soft reset while keeping both mouse buttons held down to get the the 'Amiga Early Startup Control' and then choose to boot into OS3.9 partition. The result was a red screen (ROM error alert)
2. I could *not* boot into OS3.9 then do a soft reset while keeping both mouse buttons held down to get the the 'Amiga Early Startup Control' and then choose to boot into OS4 partition. The result was a red screen (ROM error alert)
3. With OS4 set as the partition with highest boot priority and doing a cold boot, I could *not* successfully go into the 'Amiga Early Startup Control' and choose to go into OS3.9 (it would just go into OS4 anyway)
4. I *was* able to boot into OS3.9, use 'HDToolBox' to give the OS4 partition a higher boot priority and do a soft reset into OS4.
5. I was *not* able to boot into OS4, use 'Media Toolbox' to give the OS3.9 partition a higher boot priority and do a soft reset into OS3.9. The result was a red screen (ROM error alert)
Conclusion:-
'Media Toolbox' and 'HDToolBox' seem to be an answer at this time :pint:
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by A4000_Mad on 2007/12/20 0:43:20
I've just had a go at setting up a hard drive that can boot into either OS3.9 or OS4
(no idea why I choose to start these sort of things at 10 O'clock at night)
My findings........
1. I could *not* boot into OS4 then do a soft reset while keeping both mouse buttons held down to get the the 'Amiga Early Startup Control' and then choose to boot into OS3.9 partition. The result was a red screen (ROM error alert)
2. I could *not* boot into OS3.9 then do a soft reset while keeping both mouse buttons held down to get the the 'Amiga Early Startup Control' and then choose to boot into OS4 partition. The result was a red screen (ROM error alert)
3. With OS4 set as the partition with highest boot priority and doing a cold boot, I could *not* successfully go into the 'Amiga Early Startup Control' and choose to go into OS3.9 (it would just go into OS4 anyway)
4. I *was* able to boot into OS3.9, use 'HDToolBox' to give the OS4 partition a higher boot priority and do a soft reset into OS4.
5. I was *not* able to boot into OS4, use 'Media Toolbox' to give the OS3.9 partition a higher boot priority and do a soft reset into OS3.9. The result was a red screen (ROM error alert)
Conclusion:-
'Media Toolbox' and 'HDToolBox' seem to be an answer at this time
I would suggest that you leave 3.9 as the boot partition and play use the startup-sequence.
I havn't done this kind of thing myself but it shouldn't be too hard.
I'd go about it by renaming the startup-sequence to 3.9_startup-sequence and then create a new startup-sequence which gives you the option of booting into one OS or the other.
You will still need to do a cold reboot from OS4 though.
Here's a link to a beginners guide to AmigaDos http://de5.aminet.net/docs/help/adosbegin.lha
Start by looking at the ASK command.
To save headaches do some experimental scripts to execute from the shell before you move onto the startup-sequence.
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A4000_Mad wrote:
I've just had a go at setting up a hard drive that can boot into either OS3.9 or OS4 :-)
My findings........
1. I could *not* boot into OS4 then do a soft reset while keeping both mouse buttons held down to get the the 'Amiga Early Startup Control' and then choose to boot into OS3.9 partition. The result was a red screen (ROM error alert)
See Documentation/C/BootLoader.doc, near the end,
the part that begins with "Remember that the OS 4 kickstart is sticky".
2. I could *not* boot into OS3.9 then do a soft reset while keeping both mouse buttons held down to get the the 'Amiga Early Startup Control' and then choose to boot into OS4 partition. The result was a red screen (ROM error alert)
See Documentation/C/BootLoader.doc, near the start,
the part that begins with "The program "BootLoader" needs to be executed once".
Hint: BootLoader causes a reboot so you may have to enter
bootmenu twice.
3. With OS4 set as the partition with highest boot priority and doing a cold boot, I could *not* successfully go into the 'Amiga Early Startup Control' and choose to go into OS3.9 (it would just go into OS4 anyway)
See your OS3 documentation. I guess you missed that the
typical OS3 installation does a reboot during boot caused
by SetPatch, ergo you have to enter bootmenu twice.
4. I *was* able to boot into OS3.9, use 'HDToolBox' to give the OS4 partition a higher boot priority and do a soft reset into OS4.
5. I was *not* able to boot into OS4, use 'Media Toolbox' to give the OS3.9 partition a higher boot priority and do a soft reset into OS3.9. The result was a red screen (ROM error alert)
See Documentation/C/BootLoader.doc, near the end,
the part that begins with "Remember that the OS 4 kickstart is sticky".
Hint: Ctrl-Alt-Alt leaves OS4.
Conclusion:-
'Media Toolbox' and 'HDToolBox' seem to be an answer at this time :pint:
Read Documentation/Kickstart/bootmenu.doc.
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@ Rob & TetiSoft
Many thanks indeed :pint:
To be honest I won't be going that far down this road myself as I'm using one A4000 for OS3.9 and another A4000 for OS4.
(just had to do a bit of playing around with Dual-Booting though :-D)
Anyone had any joy with running old games and utils on OS4?
I've put PASSTHROUGH=YES in my CV64/3D driver and have my PC monitor on the Phase 5 scandoubler, but so far I have just got a Guru Meditation error from The Grim Reaper when trying to start old games etc. What should I do when I get such a report?
Anyone tried WHDLoad?
EDIT - :-o Space Invaders, Galaxians, BubbleStones, Battle Chess and BattleShips2 have all just worked :banana:
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(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/WHDLoad-grab.jpg)
:bigcry:
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Expectable.. WHDLoad doesn't work under OS4. There are no work-arounds, afaik.