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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: TheMud on December 11, 2007, 11:17:10 PM
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X Box 360 Elite Edition 120 GB
or a
PlayStation 3 - 40GB
What is the best choice ? ... PS3 - 40GB Edition can't play
the PS2 games... But anyway. What should I go for ?
I'll get it for free ( as the brandnew MacMini I got this week ) :-P
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Neither are Amigas, so you are screwed.
If you get one for free, get whichever of those two are more expensive at retail, then sell on eBay. Use the money towards Amiga gear and tell us what you got to make this thread be on-topic.
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@Terse ... It's quite normal here to ask non-amiga q's ... In case you haven't noticed.
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And I can run UAE on both of them :-)
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PS3, very Amiga like.
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Both! Obviously! :lol:
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XBox seems to have a reliability problem, and of course it runs MS stuff... If you like wearing ear-defenders when watching films then you should be happy, I gather they sound like a jet engine (exaggerated, but their DVD drives are reportedly offensively loud).
PS3 would be my choice (not that I have or will be getting either).
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Is the 360 as noise as the first xbox where ? Cos' that was LOUD ... My PS2 not.
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the 360 is worse than the xbox1 when it comes to noise.... and that is a good reason not to buy it in the first place.. go for the ps3..
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I hate noisy things ... Ask my wife :lol:
Think I'll have the PS3 then... :-)
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XBox 360
Better games, wider choice of games, better versions of games (a lot of the 360 versions have features the PS3 counterparts do not), better graphics IMO, MUCH better for Internet gaming, Sony still haven't got that right.
Developers also seem to prefer programming for the 360, much easier, which means in the unlikely event of a game getting delayed it is more likely going to happen to the PS3 version.
Also you get a lot more HD space.
Oh, and it's backwards compatible with cheap Xbox games (which are still rather good).
Now I'm no fan of M$, but as a 360 owner myself and having used a PS3 and looked at games on both systems, these are the facts I have discovered. Not to mention Sony treat their European customers like s***.
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LOL at the last post. quote "im not an xbox fan"
HAHAHA. you sound just like one...
The xbox will be phased out in 2-3 years. M$ will try to come out with a new console. The ps3 is the only true next gen system. i dont have either. But im not stupid.
blu-ray sales are 4:1 compares to HDDVD. and the xbox doesnt even have a HDDVD drive.(it's an option that many wont take)
Soon games will come out on multiple DVD's for the xbox.
while that is no real issue at the moment. Ps3 games are already toppling 25gb single layer Blu-ray discs..
the ps3 has more RAM. better processors. a built in next gen video drive(blu-ray) for out of the box 1080p video. and as always 1st party games from $ony are 10 fold better than 1st party games from M$. not to mention 10 times more 1st party games. The multi platform games this gen wont be as varied in quality from last gen. (NFSU2 is better on xbox than ps2 for example) So you decide. THE XBOX360 is LOUD! be warned.
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@ mikrucio
Ummm, I don't know what specs you're looking at, but you're wrong. Most PS3 games so far would fit on a DVD-9, only a select few have required more space than that (usually 13ish gb).
The PS3 has LESS ram available for processing - the 360 has a much better architecture - this is the reason why developers are complaining about the PS3. The Cell processor is more often than not underused simply because it's hard to program for, and this is why third party games will not take advantage of it (similar to why the GC/Xbox got so many PS2 ports last gen).
The PS3 DOES NOT have out of the box 1080p video - it doesn't even come with component cables - buy a $699AU machine and you get composite video cables. Yay.
Also, I have yet to see a decent first party game from Sony on the PS3. I HAVE seen good first/second party games on the 360.
The short of it is this: The PS3 is a much more reliable, quieter system with the bonus of having a built-in Blu Ray drive. It's more expensive and doesn't come with decent cables, but it's a solid piece of equipment.
The 360 on the other hand is less reliable (aided somewhat by a 3yr warranty), cheaper and has many more games and a much better online system. These are not my opinions, they are facts.
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I agree with Hopper, who gives a toss about a little fan noise anyway. Just turn the volume up a tad!
M$ have really made something good (appart from their mice and keyboards) I have to admit.
If you get a PS3 for god's sake get the 60GB one QUICK!
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mikrucio wrote:
The xbox will be phased out in 2-3 years. M$ will try to come out with a new console. The ps3 is the only true next gen system. i dont have either. But im not stupid.
Apparently, you ARE stupid. The easier it is to cost reduce the console, the longer the life. Look at Xbox 1 and PS2. The Xbox 1 was gone after 5 years because MS had to buy Intel CPUs, nVidia GPUs, and an HDD that the manufacturer had no incentive to cost reduce. PS2 had a licensed CPU and GPU and no HDD at all, meaning they could cost reduce the console ultra-aggressively.
Look at PS2 - they still sell and now they make a profit for Sony on the hardware (in addition to the normal revenue model of attach rate.)
Look at 360 and PS3. PS3 is more expensive to produce and is produced with parts that will become cheaper, but not on the same curve as the 360. Both consoles have more or less the same life span technologically, but the 360 can be aggressively cost reduced, especially since it has no HDD requirement.
Xbox 360 will outlive PS3. Not fanyboyism, just Business 101.
I still think it's stupid to discuss game consoles under the guise of Amiga hardware. I also don't believe 360 has been cracked sufficiently to allow UAE. I could be wrong, but I highly doubt it.
If it were hacked to play UAE, then this post would be on topic.
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If this topic were in Alternative Operating Systems maybe it would be more on topic?
Anyway I would say none of the two. But that's just because I don't like consoles.
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does the 60gb ps3 play ps2 games? along with the video out on the psp they have let their customers down. but it's probably some underhand dirty ms trick somewhere making good companies have to cheapen their hardware to stay afloat.
i'll be glad when ms collapse. they won't be missed.
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I bought a Xbox 360 for my son for xmas.
@Terse:
For a newbie you sure do come off the wrong way. Chill out.
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Turns out my rant was not done.
What do Amiga users see in the 360 anyway? It is NOT an Amiga.
The arguments I have read so far are not very convincing:
So many former Amiga developers work for MS directly. For example, DirectSound is based on Blue Ribbon’s Amiga technology.
3DO is the most Amiga-like gaming console platform. The silicon was designed by the Panasonic 3DO M2 team, and not the MS’ Xbox v1 technology. Xbox 360 is 3DO 3.
The big Amiga developers such as Travelers Tales, EA, Peter Molyneux (Bullfrog/Lionhead), DMA Design (Rockstar), etc. openly express their preference to develop for 360 over the others.
Retro gamers say the 360 is a better platform for classic games and remakes. People like Jeff Minter rant that Xbox 360 users are all just a bunch of retro Amiga gamers.
I think I can poke holes in all the arguments. The bottom line is that no game console is Amiga-like. If you want to play Sensible Soccer or Worms, you will never get the same feel on your console – even a 360 - as you get from an original Amiga.
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Terse:
HE DOESNT CARE IF ITS AMIGA LIKE! He wants a FREAKIN CONSOLE TO PLAY GAMES ON.
Quit being so annoying, not everybody thinks about the Amiga all the time.
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xbox 360 hands down. The games selection on the PS3 sucks, if you get the bottom line one no backwards compatability (can be fixed with software if you can get it). Xbox Live is way better than the playstation online servers. I definately say 360 over PS3. Cheers!!!
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To throw more logs in the fire...
Xbox 360 anyday. Even if PS3 has a decent game selection, id much prefer the 360 version due to the fact I know the online experience will be better. Doesnt matter which console spits more power, its a matter of what game preference people have.
About the only titles id care to play on PS3 is if they ever finish Final Fantasy 7 and the next Tekken game. Either then that, no thank you. :-)
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@kd7ota
100% agree!!
Also you MUST have a HDTV for a PS3 and the 360 is HD and ED compatible!
Im my opinion Xbox 360 its a much more popular platform and the PS3 aint doin well (more GBA's are being sold than them)
And BlueRay are expensive to make and thats a reason a few software developers havent chosen the PS3 but instead the Xbox 360
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@Gwion
PS3 works on regular TV's dude.
@Anyone
First off...if you want a TEMPORARY console and waste your money for the future.................then get an X-Box 360..........this would be the same as wasting your money and getting HD-DVD as your format of Choice......................PS3 and Blue-Ray are gonna win...............watch and see.
Not only that.....but the PS3 is backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2, and am willing to bet the the PS4 will be backwards compatible.
This is what makes it Amiga-Like.....including its functinality and PROPER way of functioning.
I am extrememly sad that Jeff Minter chose to work with MicroSoft for the Music Visuals on the X-Box.
on top of that....personally I could never understand why "So called Amigans" would support Microsoft...............I never in my entire life bought anything Microsoft and I do it on purpose................the only thing I did buy very recently was a very very nice looking Microsoft mouse............wich I TOTALLY regretted! it was a cheap imitation of Logitech wireless mice!
What PURE 100% concentrated Caca!
If Microsoft stuck to OFFICE and WORD and just applications.......then I would pay for that............they make good applications..............everything else including their OS's are Caca to the 3rd power multiplied by 15.
X-Box is one of the nicest jobs they have ever done.............but the PS3 is better to own for sure. Its a lovely device.................that said..I absolutely hate Sony.....they are scammers and a half and pusposely make electronics that they will make you buy multiple times!...the same item! Like releasing a PSP in the beginning without Video OUT on purpose....so that they can make another PSP and make you buy it again just for the Video OUT..........Apple does the same thing.........THe New I-PODS require a special $50 cable to get it to have Video OUT rather than opt for the old Radio SHack cable.
Well..come to think of it.........Commodore loved doing the same too! Tried to release the A1000 with only 256k of RAM! Continued releasing repackaged Amigas in a new case with the same OCS chips
but anyway............X-Box 360 is a Temporary console...........most people wont have it in the future when the next Gen console comes out.
Look at the PS2 Folks! still alive as heck! and where is the original X-Box????
same will happen to MicroSofts HD-DVD............
Sony has rarely ever won a Format war because of all their Stupid inventions and attempts at proprietary-ness.........MiniDisc and MemoryStick for one...as well as BETA............all stupid formats trying to throw a stick into society.
they all failed! SO im not so happy about Blue Ray, but I prefer it over HD-DVD.
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here is the definitive "WHY" you should not buy an xbox360
xbox360 hw is bad quality and break all the time, m$ is now on their 4 or 5 revision of the hw. now thats alot and i would call it beta hw, and you the user is the beta tester. other thing is most people say it got more games but how you gonna play them if your consol constantly break down?....
then you have the jet engine fan noise, i hear you say turn up the sound. thats a lousy solution and will only pester the rest of the family or disturb the neighbour. and when you buy that hd-dvd addition that jet engine fan noise is a very good thing to have i guess....
when it comes to playing online your paying for usage of your own connection twice, yes m$ dont have any servers for any games so you pay for a worthless thing that you allrerady have. the online shop is just another useless thing, everything you find there you can find on the internet for free(game demos,music videos,movies,game remakes etc), thats a fact!
now everyone remember xbox1 it was a good consol with quality and it was better than ps2. but m$ ended its life early, to early if you ask me(look at the ps2 now). m$ will kill of the xbox360 also when they got the new whatever consol...
thats pretty much sums it up i would say... everything is not about the games, so dont fall into the game trap, it is just not worth it in the end...
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mikrucio wrote:
LOL at the last post. quote "im not an xbox fan"
HAHAHA. you sound just like one...
Read my post again, I said I'm not a Microsoft fan.
blu-ray sales are 4:1 compares to HDDVD. and the xbox doesnt even have a HDDVD drive.(it's an option that many wont take)
I don't know many people who play movies on their console. It is irrelevant, it is a games console, for games. The Wii doesn't play HD or Blue Ray either, yet that is constantly sold out.
Soon games will come out on multiple DVD's for the xbox.
I doubt it but so what if they did? A lot of Amiga games came on multiple floppies, its no big deal.
THE XBOX360 is LOUD! be warned.
It's no louder than the average PC, and I think most people by now have got used to the subtle fan noise you hear from a PC. That is all you hear from a 360.
It is nowhere near as bad as the original PS2's IMO.
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alot of non-facts have crawled up in this thread.
Im not going to correct them. simply because I dont give a crap if you buy an Xbox or a PS3.
Iv given my opinion. it's educated. which cant be said for many of the previous posts.
my closing comment is:
Microsoft HAVE shot themselves in the head for not including a next gen optical drive. so have nintendo.
And all logic states blu-ray will prevail.
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I agree Blue-Ray is already winning the battle if you ask me. But this thread is about games consoles used for their primary purpose of playing games.
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I'd go for the Xbox 360 if it was me. There's games I enjoy on it, and I haven't yet figured out what I myself would do with a PS3.
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My 8 year old son wanted Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga for Christmas, so I looked at buying him a console to play it on. The 3 main choices were the Wii, Playstation 3 and the X-Box360. I was actually leaning towards the X-Box360 as I had seen the Halo 4 special edition pack for $499... but then I did some research:
The Wii looked like a fun, cheap option at $249, but it is sold out everywhere.
The X-Box360 looked like a good buy until I discovered that it just has a bog standard DVD drive and you have to add the HD Drive for extra cash and it had a reputation for mechanical problems.
I finally ordered him the Playstation 3. The 40GB version doesn't have PS2 compatability, so I opted for the 80GB version which does. It came with some driving game, a Blue Ray DVD player (which will come in handy on my plasma TV) and I bought the Star Wars game extra. I also bought an extra wireless controller, a memory card adapter (needed to use PS2 memory cards for saving PS2 games) and a DVD remote for a total of $625 including shipping. Oh, and I get to order 5 free Blue Ray DVDs too (from a small list of options).
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@Darrin
you did a very good decision there... :)
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@ leirbag28
i'd pick a minidisk over an mp3 player anyday. i've gone through quite a few and also i tell you i get weeks worth of music on 1 aa battery. the disks and player can fit in your pocket and even on the worst setting it sounds better than a tape from my generation so i don't complain and you can get over 10 albums or was it 20 on one disk. you can pick them up for £10 off ebay. i use minidisk in my pocket as i know it's always there and working any other player i carry is a backup!
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@ mikrucio
I agree with you - a lot of the posts on here are uneducated - I believe some of the stuff you said previously would fall into that category too :-P
@ others
Just a couple of things:
- Why on Earth do any of you care whether a console is 'Amiga-like' or not? I could go around saying 'well, my Zune is Amiga-like because it has good graphics' - clearly my Zune is not an Amiga, and clearly nobody cares. What does 'Amiga-like' mean anyway? Does it mean it's Amiga-like because it has co-processors? If it does, does that change the way you interface with the console at all, or is it just a point for you to hack on other consoles? Seriously, give it up - modern consoles are not Amigas.
- Please bother looking up what you talk about before you start spouting it. The 360 is not on a 5th hardware revision, and even though I have been victim of a 360 failure, I must commend MS on their customer support and their 3yr warranty. Many other companies *cough* Apple *cough* have completely ignored issues with their products i.e. iPod screens cracking etc.
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A1260 wrote:
@Darrin
you did a very good decision there... :)
I was impressed at the price. I nearly ordered it from Walmart, but they were going to add local sales tax and shipping to the price. I checked Amazon.com and they had free shipping with no sales tax. I'm looking forard to showing my son how it works. :-D
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id go for the 360 because at this moment in time its got more games as them being unreliable ive had mine since they were first relesed and ive had no problems but then i dont play it 14 hours a day
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mikrucio wrote:
the ps3 has more RAM. better processors. a built in next gen video drive(blu-ray) for out of the box 1080p video. and as always 1st party games from $ony are 10 fold better than 1st party games from M$. not to mention 10 times more 1st party games. The multi platform games this gen wont be as varied in quality from last gen. (NFSU2 is better on xbox than ps2 for example) So you decide. THE XBOX360 is LOUD! be warned.
Hate to disagree mikrucio but you'll find that the PS3 and Xbox360 have the same amount of ram, also the Xbox360 GPU is more advanced than the PS3s. If we're really being picky about things then it also depends on what you're doing with the CPUs in the machine. You can do things with the Xenon that the PS3 would struggle with and via versa, how relevent those things are to the game you're making is highly variable and dependent on the title itself.
As for console life-cycle, the Xbox360 launched more than a year ahead of the PS3 so yeah I'd expect a new version about a year head of the PS4 as well. That still leaves a reasonable 5 year mainstream dev life for the Xbox360 though and only about 6 years for the PS3.
Also you're paying through the nose on the PS3 for that next-gen blu-ray drive that no-one cares about or is using the space of. Whereas the Xbox360 has done the online things superbly and still doesn't require more than one DVD.
Personally I'd see what games the OP wants to play and if he wants to play game online, if he does then xbox live is a superior system to anything that the PS3 offers.
Andy
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I grudgingly concede that Xbox Live is a well-made platform. Still not enough to get me to buy a game console.
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Good question... The Xbox 360 has more and better games at the moment and even graphics are so far superior to PS3 games. It is on the other hand more closed, so dont expect to run linux or homebrew on it. It has also had some reliability issues, while the ps3 seem to have ok reliability stats.
The xbox 360 also has better media playback ability currently including divx/xvid upto 720p resolutions with 5.1 ac3 audio. Sony has also announced a divx update for the ps3, but there is sadly no info on what res/bitrates it will support and if it will do 5.1 audio.
The main benefit of PS3 is ability to use linux and play blueray movies.
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The wii seems to have won the price and fun factor status.
The Xbox360 , would not suprise me, has better or more games due to being more PC-ish. It could be just easier to progam.
The PS3 has a higher price, IMHO, due to introducing newer technology (Blu-ray and cell) and is possible harder to program for. It reminds me of what the Saturn went through with its 7 or more processors. It may take a while for devs to get up to speed.
I hate hearing the "Who is going to win the console war" stuff. It has been going on for about 20+ years.
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I bought what had the most games at the time. 360 by far. I dont see any games for the PS3 that are so awesome as to sway the vote and make me decide to buy a PS3. Now I know down the like PS3 will win eventually, if so, then I will buy a PS3.
This whole "i'm a amiga fan and I dont/wont support microsoft" thing I'm not in to.. I buy what works. If my son wants a 360 and at the time its kickin PS3 butt then that sounds good to me.
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The noise is a real pain when watching movies on the 360. I am on my third machine. However, I like the games better. I can also play for 20 hours without my hands cramping up.
I guess it comes to Gears of War, Halo 3, PGR4 and a few others.
I might even pick up a Wii
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Wow some people do post some silly replies,no console is "amiga" like lol and regardless i dont even look for a console that is amiga like... :roll:
But yeah the xbox 360 has a much better game selection IMO and i also had a faulty machine which for some very weird reason seemed to always scratch my farcry game and no other...
Microsoft fixed my machine and it has been working fine,as for noise i mean come on people even the dreamcast was very noisey but who really gives a toss???
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Gosh, have you guys figured out why there aren't many PCs sold with High Definition DVD drives yet? Well they usually require support for copy protection built into the graphics.
I keep hearing this really ridiculous point "blue ray" is going to win. Actually the drive that's winning is the one that does both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray all in one unit. That's what everyone wants and is waiting for.
I don't see not having an optical drive to be a problem especially with the hard drive and it's ability to download HD programming from the Xbox Live HD content service (similar to itunes)..
Most people buy consoles based on games they want to play.. Not the hardware, that's why in the USA the Nintendo Wii is sold out in most stores around me..
The 360 is a nice unit, and very expandable like the PS3. I think neither is lacking in that ability.
I personally was excited to hear that the new PSP (the PSP200) has high def widescreen video output and supports component out cables. Especially with the number of PSP UMD videos out there (not quite high def but cool)
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I bought a Wii a while back and the whole family loves it, more fun than any console I've ever, and I do mean EVER, used.
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Damn !! Didnt think my topic would make such a discusion :-)
Anyway ... Im not buying but getting it for free... I have selected the
PS 3 ... Why ? .. Ehmmm... Thats why...
To the one that mentioned Wii and Xbox will loose the race.
Wii is IN FACT the most selling console !!! ... I have it to, and my
Children LOVES it ... ( and I - but don't tell ) ... The Wii ist such a brilliant
idea come to live ... Just love it...
Merry Xmas everyone :-)
EDIT -> ... I choosed the PS3 cos' a friend of mine has both the PS3 and Xbox 360 Elite... PS3 is half as loud and so much more stylish :-) ... And he gave me two PS 3 games ... So what should I now want with the xbox :lol:
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How does one know that the PS3 can play PS2 games?
Edit:( Serial number, model number,etc)
How does one know that the Xbox360 has the new chip set?
Do you think the HD-DVD drive could be hacked and placed into an Xbox360?
Sorry, I do not want anyone thinking I was mad from my earlier post. I do not want anyone to win the console war.
It is bad for all of us. I am tempted to buy an Xbox360. I do not want to feel I have to buy Msoft. Atari,Commodore, 3DO,Sega,they all died in some way and I believe it is MSoft's turn.
But, When one dies another takes its place. So, does it really matter?
It is the dreamer and believers that make all this fun.
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trekiej wrote:
How does one know that the PS3 can play PS2 games?
Ehhmmm... Thats simple... Because we have played PS2 games on
the PS3 ...
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@ Thread.
It all depends on where you are to what your PS3 can do.
Europe / Australia - Sony have stopped shipping the 60GB model PS3 which included memory card readers 4 USB ports and PS2 backward compatibility. I was lucky to buy a 60GB model :) I love it. As for CPU, data bandwidth, the Cell is supposedly more capable but harder to program and the data though port in PS3 is greater. Look for Sony Specs for info.
Aus - 60 GB specs
- 4x USB2
- PS2 Compatibility (Software)
- Memory card readers
- 60GB hdd.
You can at the moment only buy a 40GB model PS3 in Australia. They are no longer making the 60GB for Aus and have no plans to change according to store information.
Aus 40 GB specs
- 2x USB2
- 40GB hdd.
In the USA I do believe that there was a 80GB model
The difference was that the 80 GB model had extra hardware (Emotion chip) engine from the PS2 making it 100% compatible with the PS2 and the extra space of an 80 GB hdd.
The 60 GB model does all PS2 compatibility in software and can't play ALL PS2 games, however updates to the emulator have been promised depending on demand of the game in question.
I also have been informed that Sony will no longer be making the 80GB model even for hte USA which instead the 60Gb will be the only availble one. This was all done to reduce costs.
I am not sure about region protection on BluRay or games so I don't know if it is a good idea to buy any PS3 not in your country.
Ta.
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... And he gave me two PS 3 games ... So what should I now want with the xbox :lol:
So, you got all of the PS3 games eh?
Okay - low blow. But I read my earlier post and don't want to come across as just bashing the 360.
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As much as I hate to say M$ did something right, the 360 is the better choice right now. It's hot this year for games and has a better online system than the PS3. It's an easier platform to develop for and had the important head start on the PS3. The PS3 is still overpriced because it has the blu-ray player stuffed in it.
PS3 will never be the success story the PS2 was. In a year or two it may finally get a good enough selection of software and momentum (and a more reasonable price) to be an attractive buy but not right now.
I know several people who bought PS3's and they have since bought 360's. One even sold his PS3.
As for Blu-Ray. It's not won yet by a long chalk. In fact it just got dropped by one film studio. HD-DVD may kill it on price like VHS did to Beta. There are $100-$200 HD-DVD players starting to appear. Plus Mr. Gates & Co are in the HD-DVD corner. You can never ignore that marketing muscle. If you ask me, the smart people are still sitting on the fence waiting to see which format is the clear winner before they buy.
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Wikipedia has a good story on both systems.
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Just some comments:
You can upgrade the HD space on the PS3 yourself by replacing the drive with (almost) any 2,5'SATA drive. I've heard you can't on XBOX360.
The XBOX360 has probably more and better looking games because it has about one year lead time because it was released earlier, and by the way look at the first games for PS2 and compare them to e.g. God of War 2.
Online gaming for the PS3 is cost free, on XBOX you have to pay for it.
If you want to use you console as a cheap HD Video Player also it is relevant that the PS3 can play BlueRay out of the box. As HD Video playing devices will come down in price this feature will be less relevant in future though.
Now that the PS3 is somewhat comparable in price to the 360 we will see which will get more steam, especially when the big titles for the PS3 start to appear.
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Please, excuse me if I have the facts wrong. I read this soooo long ago. Let me tell you why the 360 is a slam dunk, as much as I hate to admit it.
It's all comes down to what an Amigan would call Chip RAM.
In fact to put it entirely in retro Amigan terms, to compare XBox360 to PS3 feels like comparing an Amiga to an Atari ST in terms of specs, as there are a lot of simularities. Or maybe a A1200 to an Atari Falcon. Was that DSP ever used effectively?
1. The PS3 GPU only has access to 256Mb while the XBox360 has access to its entire 512Mb. This assists in the loading and processing of textures. More ChipRAM means less moving from conventional RAM to Chip RAM and more complex textures. In fact the raising from 256mb to 512mb of GPU accessible RAM was called for by the developers of Gears of War who convinced MS through their demo systems that the difference it makes is staggerring. It apparently will cost MS around a Billion dollars extra in terms of production costs for doing this.
2. The transfer rate between the PS3's CELL Chip co-processors and RAM is acknowledged to be too slow to be entirely useful for anything but media processing. It's not a great help for games it is said.
3. There is only one PPC CPU core in the PS3, and a basic one at that. The XBox 360 has a triple pipeline PPC(or something of the sort) that allows for all sorts of optimising, effectively making it a hell of a lot faster. It's like having 3 PPCs running simultaneously. Has it got two of these?
4. Blue Ray loading times (I am told) are slower than 360 DVD loading times.
5. The GPU on the 360 is a generation later than the PS3s and it shows. It really does. I still haven't gone WOW over any PS3 game, yet I am constantly doing it with the 360.
6. The money for the developers is in XBox, and most of them have thrown their wholehearted support behind it. So with a larger install base that is unlikely to be surpassed, development will focus on 360, with the PS3 as an afterthought. Therefore the PS3 will obtain ports of XBox360 games, which, with the way they would have been coded for the 360 hardware, will not take advantage of any custom chips resulting in games of lesser quality for the PS3. It's like an ST or PC port to an Amiga which doesn't make use of the custom chips because it costs too much to do it. So in such a circumstances the Amiga port would be worse than others, for the lack of CPU power as is the case with the PS3 CPU and its GPU combination.
7. Blue Ray will not win, and if it somehow does, this battle will be prolonged by MS on purpose. It is in MS interests to prolong the battle to gain more bargaining power with industry players, and to hasten their online content streams. They have the money to keep the HD battle at a stalemate to their own ends. If it tilts too far one way, they may even put HD-DVD in their Xbox units.
My XBox360 doesn't make that much sound. Sheesh? Forza motorsport kicks major ass.
Ok. Going back to my happy place now.
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l have psx3 40 gig hd with the card slots and software emulation. it works fine are u meaning the one that hasint either software emulation or the actually psx2 hardware.
l whould say the psx3 beacause the 360 has alot breakdowns.
but then my mate has xbox 360 and they replaced his no problems. and u can play alot old arcade games . and he know as he was are amiga club president.
id honesty thought l made mistake when l brought my psx3 in april . but it has alot cool features like the blue ray player
the movies look nice . u can upscale the psx2 games.
l have mine hooked up to my pc and stream tv shows and music from the pc to the psx3 and very handy.
so for know l say games wise maybe xbox if u want alot of choice.
but for me l happy with 10 good games and great mulimedia
machine (know if l chould put os4 on there . no one noticed)
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trekiej wrote:
How does one know that the PS3 can play PS2 games?
Edit:( Serial number, model number,etc)
If it has 4 usb ports the flap that lifts up to reveal card slots and a 60gb hd then it will play ps2 games.
Im sure I read somewhere (on this site or maybe in that open letter to the amiga community) that the PS3 may get a version of Amiga OS 5 to work with the Other OS option. If this is true then that is a damn good reason to get one. I know it probably wont happen but it was mentioned so that make PS3 most like Amiga. :lol: :lol:
Currently theres a few versions of linux available free that work so you can use UAE and other emulators and play the retro games for free that XBOX Live fans seem to get excited about being able to BUY.
everyone needs to keep in mind that PS3 is still a baby and when the PS2 first came out sales were shockingly low and the games were shockingly bad. They had a bloody firework simulator for one of the launch titles. I think this went on till GTA 3 came out. So why dont people wait till next year before judging which console will come on top and if the novelty of the Wii finally wears off.
(UPDATE) It as in the Amiga Inc answers our questions post on this site that I saw AOS on the PS3 mentioned
21. Would Amiga Inc. support/encourage Hyperion to port AOS4 to the PS3?Given Eyetech's apparent withdrawal from the Amiga hardware market, and the prohibitive cost of producing adequate PowerPC-based hardware in sufficient numbers, surely a port to Sony's CELL-based system is now the only realistic chance for the platform to return to the mass-market.
Bill McEwen -- I have had conversations with the Freidens about this, and once we have the legal situation resolved then we can put that horse before the cart. If we can not do it with OS 4, then I am sure the FIVE can take care of that issue.
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Playstation family ,best them of all consols everytime...:)
Microsoft long word = MicrobeSoftware, just like live form virus...
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oh, and my fiancee's son is getting a Wii for Christmas..so I guess its the best of both worlds. :)
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First up, I'm biased, so take this for what it's worth. The 80GB PS3 has upwards of 80% compatibility for PS2 games. If you can still locate a 60GB PS3, then you're guaranteed near 100% compatibility. When I read about the new PS3's being made loosing compatibility, I located a 60GB at a Best Buy about 40 miles away. Bought it online and drove down to pick it up. It can do 1080p, but you need to buy yourself a HDMI cable first. BJ Wholesale Club had a bunch of 6ft cables for $20. They sold out pretty quick, next best was Radio Shack for $60 for a 6ft cable. Only thing is, not too many games have been released that go up to true 1080p. Usually see 720p.
Don't forget the PS3 doubles as a blu-ray player.
Or get a Wii. I actually end up spending more time on the Wii than the PS3
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erm, actually talking about Microsoft.
I have noticed over the years that Microsoft has NEVER made any thing in its entire existence that don`t need some sort of upgrade or hack.
Why on earth cant they provide some thing that is working out of the box/package that WORKS with not having to phone
them up or complain that this don`t work right or that don`t work right.
Should the customer have to put up with that?
Or do all just KNOW that Microsoft is a {bleep} company that works that way?
Sony may have there problems, after all they are not the perfect company no one is, BUT, I have had 3 PS1`s a PS2 and NONE of them had any problems what so ever.
Try that with ANY OS or EXBOX and NOT have any problems.
I go by quality not the name or how many games there are out there.
Do you want quality (fully WORKING with no problems) or try it and see (fingures crossed).
I go for quality, as for Sony and Microsoft I prefer Sony any day.
I have more Sony products in my home than Microsoft.
Sony works every day, Microsoft does one day don`t the next.
Microsoft needs upgrades/updates to keep working in a full order.
If Microsoft was not s***s in the first place by ripping any one and every one off then perhaps there would be more respected.
All I can say at the end of they day is this, Sony works 99.5% of the time, Microsoft don`t come near that.
Why is that?
Because they rush things out trying to be clever.
In stead of getting it right in the first place.
Knowing people will put up with any thing.
IF they did not they would NOT buy the stuff.
So its just as much as the peoples fault KNOWING Microsoft shifts the S*** out, in the first place, knowing they will get problems.
Is this the way to run a professional company?
Give the people s*** they will put up with any thing, we can give them any crap and they will be happy.
These are facts. How many of you have bought an Exbox and had to send it back or complain?
Do you all go by the nice graphics? and that then means the RISK of buying an Exbox with problems don`t matter any more?
Why cant Microsoft build a console that works properly?
With NO problems in the first place?
Like I say I have many Sony products in my home and every one of them work no problems, PS1, PS2, tape players, tuners, TV, VHS recorder, Walkman.
And the quality is good, fact, never had a problem fact.
Still use them all with quality of picture and sound fact.
Mechanisms work perfectly fact.
You can use your Exbox, Exbox360 with noise and over heating and all the other problems you get, cover it all up with any nice excuses you can, at the end of the day the problems should NOT be there fact.
Mike.
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I bought my sons w/a best buy warranty, just like I would have if it was a PS3.
Your complaints are valid.. just like when the Amiga came out.. software failures galore. That stuck w/the Amiga and it was labeled unstable. Much like the Xbox 360. Hmm.. I guess the 360 has something in common with the Amiga afterall. LOL
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I bought the extended warranty when I got my 360 almost 2 years ago. Simply because I heard all the horror stories about the red rings of death. I've had no problems with it whatsoever. Works like a charm and it's not noisy.
I've had 3 Sony CD players and 2 DVD players over the years and they have had a 50% failure rate within the first 12 months.
I had a Sony TV that had tuner issues so bad and went back for repairs so many times that in the end the dealer offered me a Panasonic.
Even my Wii had to go back to Nintendo for repair when the GPU became faulty.
So basically, your mileage may vary when it comes to reliability.
I'm not a big fan of M$ (I'm a Mac user) but I will admit that I think the 360 is a great console and the best choice on the market today.
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trekiej wrote:
How does one know that the PS3 can play PS2 games?
Edit:( Serial number, model number,etc)
Most of the game news sites had information on this when Sony announced the changes to the PS3 product line. The original 60GB model can play nearly 100% PS2 and PS1 games because it includes some of the PS2 hardware inside. Sony removed the hardware in the 80GB and 40GB models. The 80GB model is able to play upwards of 80% (maybe closer to 90%) of PS2 games through software emulation. The 40GB has no backwards compatibility. I am not sure why the 80GB can and the 40GB can't if supposedly they are the same revised hardware. Anyway, Sony has a compatiblity support page:
Compatiblity status (http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus)
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swift240 wrote:
Microsoft needs upgrades/updates to keep working in a full order.
Both my Wii and my PS3 have downloaded a couple patches/upgrades over the internet by now. A few were to address compatibility issues, a couple bug fixes, and in the PS3's case, some new features that Sony apparently didn't have time to perfect before launch. It's not such a bad thing: When Sony finally releases the new PS3 controllers with the rumble back in them early next year, several game publishers intend to release updates/patches to add rumble to their games.
PS2 had at least one major recall dealing with its power supply.
Nobody's perfect, and like I said, updates/patches aren't always such a bad thing. I think sometimes it does have a downside: a manufacturer or publisher may think they can get away with rushing a product out the door and figure they'll correct any problems with updates. You're right about Microsoft seemingly doing that ALOT, at least on the PC side of things. A clean Vista install from one of the first Vista DVD batches resulted in over 142MB of updates/patches to be downloaded on one of my PCs!
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@dnelsonfl
Sony released the first PS3's with PS2 Chips Graphics Synthesizer (GS) and Emotion Engine (EE) probably in one big chip. The European release version only had the GS in it leaving out the EE but emulating it in software. The newest version incorporates neither of the PS2 Chips, and no emulation.
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Donar wrote:
@dnelsonfl
Sony released the first PS3's with PS2 Chips Graphics Synthesizer (GS) an Emotion Engine (EE) probably in one big chip. The European release version only had the GS in it leaving out the EE but emulating it in software. The newest version incorporates neither of the PS2 Chips, and no emulation.
Well, a quick visit to the Sony site show that (at least in the USA) that they market 2 different models of the PS3. The 40 GB one has no PS2 emulation, no memory card slots and only 2 USB ports while the 80GB model has PS2 emulation, SD/MMC/Mem Stick slots and 4 USB ports.
That's why I went with the 80GB model. It's not just hard drive size, there's a physical difference between the models.
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:-D Ah yes forgot that there is a part of the world outside the EU. :lol: I think *your* 80 Gig model is *our* 60 Gig Model + 20 Gig, so to speak. The 60 Gig model is phased out in the EU and only the 40 Gig version is here to stay.
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Donar wrote:
:-D Ah yes forgot that there is a part of the world outside the EU. :lol: I think *your* 80 Gig model is *our* 60 Gig Model + 20 Gig, so to speak. The 60 Gig model is phased out in the EU and only the 40 Gig version is here to stay.
That explains why my brother kept talking about a 60GB model on the phone (He's in England) and I couldn't find it. :-)
Mind you, the prices in the UK seem to be a real rip off compared to the USA. As I said in the previous post, I spent $625 for the 80GB with an extra controller, extra game (2 total), the remote and the card reader.
In the UK, the 60GB version with the same extras (minus the card reader which I couldn't find listed) would have cost £443 ($886).
Even the base 40GB version retails for $399 in the USA and £299 ($600) in the UK!
I suspect that the prices difference is probably echoed on the XBox too.
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I have both they are the same noisy thing and i tend to only use the 360 as the ps3 games sux balls ... I would go for xbox 360 if you want a PS3 you can buy mine :lol:
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Other way around dude.
80GB had the Emotion Engine and extra HW, the real guts of the PS2, the 60GB does not.
Sorry, that's for Australia and we couldn't buy it. We only ever got the choice of the 60GB or 40GB models.
The 60 GB is software emulation only. I know, I own one. The 80GB model only came out in the US and Japan from memory. It is no longer in production. It was too expensive to add in the PS2 hardware and hense the 60GB model was made. Then again they cut down, took memory card readers and less USB ports to again cut down cost.
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@Donar
Correct.
but it's only for the 60GB model here in Australia.
The 40 GB model does not include either the hardware or software emulator or the memory card readers and only 2 USB ports.
There is no tal of changing that at this time. I would personally make sure you at least get a PS# that has the memory card readers, it was a silly move. I know I used to take my saved games to mates places to play all the time. No chance of that on a Australian 40GB model.
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its more or less impossible without paying over a grand to get the 60GB version in the UK. WTF are sony playing at. Lower costs, but removing functionality that people actually want is just silly
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SHADES wrote:
@Donar
Correct.
but it's only for the 60GB model here in Australia.
The 40 GB model does not include either the hardware or software emulator or the memory card readers and only 2 USB ports.
There is no tal of changing that at this time. I would personally make sure you at least get a PS# that has the memory card readers, it was a silly move. I know I used to take my saved games to mates places to play all the time. No chance of that on a Australian 40GB model.
No model has the memory card reader. They have card slots but they arre not memory cards. To use ps2 saves you make a virtual memory card and transfer your current saves using a usb memory card adapter sold seperatly.Though its pointless if your using a 40gb model as you cant play the ps2 games anyway. You can also buy usb adapters and usb card readers if you really want them. So the features are removed but you can buy them back for cheaper than it would cost for you to have the 60gb model.
@JJ my 60gb ps3 was about £350.
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where u get it from. I know loads of people that been trying to get them, they are harder to get hold of than wii, unless u lready had a wii for over a year :-D
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@foleyjo
Fair enough, I never said they were memory cards, I said Card readers. Card reader, flash readers, all semantics. I think people knew what I was getting at. There was support for the Sony Memory stick too. Anyway, it's not important. I liked not having to tie up the USB ports to have them available, and removing the other 2 USB ports, eek. I already use that for a keyboard/mouse, printer and I want to get a camera too. 2 ports is not enough, yes I could get a hub, but it's convienece.
As for saving games, I did this no problem. There is a reader for PS2 game memory cards but it's not relevent for the PS3 any more as the latest models won't play ps2 games. I still play Sons of Liberty on my ps3. I am glad I don't have to have a seperate PS2 console for this and with such a huge library of PS2 games and lack of in PS3, I thought this to be a mistake. Perhaps Sony believes everyone has a PS2. I sold mine. Anyhow, I like the PS3. I bought one after getting no love from AMIGA and the BluRay is fantastic.
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Sorry guys, I think Terse was right: this discussion, although informative, doesn't belong in this sub-forum.
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@ JJ -Theres still a few available in the North East of England. Also 2nd hand ones can be found.
@ Shades - Recheck your post you clearly say "Memory card reader" and talk about having to go to a friends to play your ps2 saves.
I still stand by the fact that 2 USB ports are enough for the average PS3 user.
1 for keyboard 1 for camera Joypad can be used instead of mouse and thats wireless and headsets use bluetooth. As I said if you really really want more they can always be added at a later date. So its not that bad an idea.
The 80GB PS3 due for release in the UK is said to have all the features of the 60gb
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I'll be getting a 360 after Xmas.
-More games
-Better online
-Cost less
-thing
-another thing
...conclusion.