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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: motorollin on December 07, 2007, 05:53:16 PM
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Got a brand new, boxed copy of OS4 on my coffee table, and nothing to run it on :-( Pleeeeease somebody fix it for the Mac soon (or give me a CSPPC ;-) ) To make me feel better about this torture I had to nip out any buy an iPhone :-D
At least we know OS4 Classic is real! (unless the CD is blank :crazy:)
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moto
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Glad AmigaOS4.0 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=764) arrived safely
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There aren't justice in this world! I have the hardware necesary, but i didn't received my AOS 4.0 yet, even i bought it on a spanish shop, to receive it as soon as possible.
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or better, somebody port the OS4 to IPhone :)
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Ehm, you bought OS4 for classic, but you have nothing to run it on (in the foreseeable future even)?
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Why not? ..this is good move for Amiga support..who knows maybe Santa will come whit new bonuch of CSPPC and BPPC :-D :-D
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Stevo wrote:
Ehm, you bought OS4 for classic, but you have nothing to run it on (in the foreseeable future even)?
Correct. Having waited such a long time, there's no way I'm going to miss out on the opportunity to own OS4. I would really hate to one day get the hardware and then find the OS is no longer available.
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moto
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Well, good luck I guess :-)
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...and I'm in nothingland with my CSPPC060 that has a defective PPC! But I do have a Mac... hmm...
I'm almost tempted to buy OS4 just to try and force it into my PPC Mac Mini.
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@skurk,
Let me know if you have any luck with that! I'll pay you for the patch! :-D
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I would also donate to a project to patch OS4 to run on a Mac.
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
Stevo wrote:
Ehm, you bought OS4 for classic, but you have nothing to run it on (in the foreseeable future even)?
Correct. Having waited such a long time, there's no way I'm going to miss out on the opportunity to own OS4. I would really hate to one day get the hardware and then find the OS is no longer available.
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moto
hmm.. trouble is, If the OS was no longer available, then that would probably indicate outfit producing it has gone bump, or that they are no longer supporting it, in any fashion at all. This would probably mean that the hardware is in even rarer status, or is no longer working!
As much as i can kinda see the nice side of what you are trying to do.. it is a mute point. If you can't use the os, you are not going to call for more sw to be written for it, are you gonna support these companies in the same way?
i doubt it.
If the companies that make the cards have gone tits up, and there is as like as makes no difference going to be no hardware available. Ever. At least for the classic version of os 4
Somebody find the card, pull it apart, trace the routes, make a copy for yourself, up to you if you copy any firmware naturally.. and build your own facsimilie or variant.
You might piss someone off who isn't making said dead hw but then you might make them build the buggers again. But {bleep} the bed.. if you are not manufacturing and selling..
likewise, if you have the hw, but you can't buy the os.. you'd simply rip it because there is no way of getting it, and no way to support the people who made it.
And you would.
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I made up my mind about this type of "support" long ago.
Yes I was naive and bought 3.9 in they days too even if
I barely used it, I think I got it installed though.
Nowdays If Anything Amiga want my support it better
"sell" itself to me. I don't demand it to be up-to-date
with software etc. but I would guess it needs some more than
the box it came in to be usable.
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:-?
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J_Biscuit wrote:
hmm.. trouble is, If the OS was no longer available, then that would probably indicate outfit producing it has gone bump, or that they are no longer supporting it, in any fashion at all. This would probably mean that the hardware is in even rarer status, or is no longer working!
I'm not keeping hold of it while I wait for new Amiga hardware. I'm waiting for it to be patched to run on non-Amiga PPC hardware.
J_Biscuit wrote:
likewise, if you have the hw, but you can't buy the os.. you'd simply rip it because there is no way of getting it, and no way to support the people who made it.
And you would.
Would I? How do you know? Come back and make predictions about me ripping off software when you have been a member for longer than 11 days. If I was planning to rip OS4 of should it become available for hardware I own, would I have bought it now? :roll:
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moto
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heh.. rolling yer eyes at me !
Fair enough for the first comment.
BUT
as i said.. If you suddenly had the hardware to hand.. but no where and no way to legitimately get the software you wanted, because it isn't manufactured anymore you would leave your expensive paperweight in the cupboard as opposed to nabbing a copy off your mate?
hmm.
Let's not confuse tings there..
oh, the 11 days bollocks.. well.. not worth dragging over.
Eat your chocolate egg.
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"Got a brand new, boxed copy of OS4 on my coffee table, and nothing to run it on"
chear up! you are 2 steps closer to running it than me. i need the money first then to order it. :crazy:
ps. i would like to nick that cat with the gun as my avatar how do i go about politely stealing it?
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dam I thought that this was about s/m sex :(
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J_Biscuit wrote:
as i said.. If you suddenly had the hardware to hand.. but no where and no way to legitimately get the software you wanted, because it isn't manufactured anymore you would leave your expensive paperweight in the cupboard as opposed to nabbing a copy off your mate?
Why do you think I bought it now? To avoid that, perhaps?
J_Biscuit wrote:
Eat your chocolate egg.
:-?
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moto
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@monami,
Right-click, Save As...
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If you bought a copy just to maybe run it on Mac PPC hardware, wouldn't the A1 version be a better option?
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@TjLaZer
Yeah maybe, but you can't buy that.
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moto
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jesus chris, more of these "os4 on mac" whiners, your just a bunch of cheapskate. go buy the hw that is necessary to run the os and shut the f**k up!!! :-x
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This thread needs some love. group hug :lol:
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Wow, as a new user, A1260's heartfelt message makes me wonder if I should have bothered signing up to this forum. :-?
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testing 1 2... just testing my new avatar.
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Hi Teacup, yes you should have bothered. I have no idea why A1260 felt the need to make that comment :-?
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moto
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Still nothing about torture and s/m sex?
Seriously please not, another dream on thread OK?
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@Teacup
if you have come here to whine about os40 for mac then i think you shouldn't have bothered signing up... but if you did sign up to talk about classic amiga like tha a500, games etc or os4.0 for the bppc cards etc or hoping sam will run os4.0 your more than welcome to do that. but i dont want to hear one peep about os4.0 for mac again or else i will explode!! :madashell:
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@A1260
If you want to buy a CSPPC/BPPC/A1 to run OS4 then good for you. Some of us would like to run OS4 on different hardware. What exactly is your problem with this?
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moto
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What Moto said.
Does it matter what kind of hardware you're running the OS on? If the program runs flawlessly wether I'm on a A1 or Mac Mini, does it matter?
Isn't it more important to get the OS out there, start developing and using it all over the place, rather than draining the leftovers of our dying hardware?
C'mon. We either have to start cloning new hardware, or we'll have to move on to a new platform. I don't mind both.
[ROT13: V'z xvaqn qehax, fb gnxr jung V fnl jvgu n cvapu bs fnyg - bx?]
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BANG!!! :-x :madashell:
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Problem is that is not going to happend
It's like a world peace
like U.S.A people would stop thing theirself and actually start to help people who needs a help
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skurk wrote:
What Moto said.
Does it matter what kind of hardware you're running the OS on?
We've heard that before even from Carl and from Dave but
I don't know it just doesn't seem to sink in.
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@spihunter
spihunter wrote:
@skurk,
Let me know if you have any luck with that! I'll pay you for the patch! :-D
For legal reasons it would be better to say that you'll give a monetary "gift." Wouldn't want anyone to be thinking that he's selling it would you (even if he does accept money in exchange for giving it to you)? ;-)
Hans
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A1260 wrote:
BANG!!! :-x :madashell:
I'd pay a fortune if one of you drama-queens ever would follow your "threats" (I prefer to call them promises :-P ) through.
No, not just putting some letters into the forum, but doing it literally...... would have saved us some of the worst trolls.
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motorollin wrote:
Got a brand new, boxed copy of OS4 on my coffee table, and nothing to run it on :-( Pleeeeease somebody fix it for the Mac soon (or give me a CSPPC ;-) ) To make me feel better about this torture I had to nip out any buy an iPhone :-D
At least we know OS4 Classic is real! (unless the CD is blank :crazy:)
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moto
The torture part is the fact that you've wasted so much money?
;-)
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A1260 wrote:
jesus chris, more of these "os4 on mac" whiners, your just a bunch of cheapskate. go buy the hw that is necessary to run the os and shut the f**k up!!! :-x
Good idea! I'll just go and buy the hardware...no, wait, the hardware to run it isn't manufactured! :crazy: What is available is very expensive, and I'm not rich enough to spend that sort of money on what is essentially obsolete hardware.
Seriously, if it annoys you so much don't read the posts rather than complain about it.
I too would like to see OS4 available to run on a PPC Mac (either officially or through an unofficial hack.) I would quite happily buy a second-hand Mac Mini to run it on.
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I have not bought OS4.. Money, you know..
I wish it for christmas :lol:
I would sergently prefer to see it running on Amiga hardware!
Thoose who will run it on Mac, let them do it. Their choice :-D
But I don't think I'll ever buy a mac. Maybe if it's cheap enough :-)
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forgive me:
i wish i had good, modern, inexpensive hardware to run my nice new copy of aros on... oh wait... i can get that anywhere.
sorry ive always been against os4 for just this reason. i was proven wrong in that it was actually released. but as for whether it actually matters, so far; no.
releasing even a fully featured mature and solid os for a tiny number of machines really does nothing for us. from what ive heard os4 is quite good, but if noone has anything to run it on why bother.
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..and if Hyperion announced support for Mac hardware
today then it suddently would be all glory and perfect, dancing bananas´and all that. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
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Torture is hearing that someone that can't use it has it and I'm still waiting for it... But, I'm not upset. I have waited this long, I will keep waiting.
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Will someone please hurry up and port OS4 to PPC Mac, I have a G4 PowerBook literally jumping out of its carry bag to run OS4.
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@motorolling
& Hi all!
Just testing this site for a while;)
Thank You for supporting os4,
but Pleeeeeeease do not tell people if You buy salt without a beef available or something to grow a cattle.
Hope the best luck now to get the A4000 Beefed up then.
Left my 060+PIV right as it is because there is no reason to kill a good reliable mate with other stuff and got an XE.
There was a time to buy A1:s
and got an XE933 atm. (two working ones at best+ some cpu:)
I can still buy the box and the manual to put at the wall if the cd is empty as at 2004 there were not any "professional" printed;) To get them 4-years late,mate.
and
"Will someone please hurry up and port OS4 to PPC Mac, I have a...." Why not do it Yourselve, Mate? Or maybe I just want it for my new xxxx-device. LaughingInMyMind Sorry.
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Honestly i hope you all waste your money buying second hand macs waiting for some pirate to port it ... It just show how much you care for the platform . Just wait too see what happens after. I find it hard to believe it will only be released for classic as acube does indeed have that sam thing too. But i guess you mac fan boys will be disappointed thinking about a mac port . If so wait too see if there will be a official statement or buy 10 copy's each so i can sit and laugh at all of you stuck with unusable software... As it turns out the classic version may be the worst to adapt to any other hardware at all as it uses custom chipset and all.... You guys use caveman logics around here "grab the first hope for the best" :lol: :lol: :lol: Start being serious and show a little patients now we know they"hyperion" are able to deliver.
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...or buy 10 copys each so i can sit and laugh at all of you stuck with unuseable software...
Who said anything about buying it???
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adz wrote:
...or buy 10 copys each so i can sit and laugh at all of you stuck with unuseable software...
Who said anything about buying it???
Please read the posting guidelines this is not piratebay .
Do you think the Os will have any future if you all think about pirating it all ready .
Edit: If you guys do so you will only end up with a os with out os updates you know it...
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adonay wrote:
Please read the posting guidelines this is not piratebay .
Do you think the Os will have any future if you all think about pirating it all ready .
Hook, line and sinker, god I love this place :lol: :lol: :lol:
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adz wrote:
adonay wrote:
Please read the posting guidelines this is not piratebay .
Do you think the Os will have any future if you all think about pirating it all ready .
Hook, line and sinker, god I love this place :lol: :lol: :lol:
Damn i got cought in the bate :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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adonay wrote:
Damn i got cought in the bate :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
TBH, my original post was aimed at A1260 or whatever the **** his handle is, however, you bit first so I ran with it. I'm just trying to illustrate how sensitive many of you have become. Fanboyism is ugly wherever it rears its head and it certainly doesn't make for good conversation. A lot of people here need to pour themselves a nice cup'o'tea and relax.
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"Hook, line and sinker, god I love this place"
What does that mean? If I don't have to visit Your lovely country for some pirate hunting it's a shame on me then.
(God the dual kb&monitor(kvm)thingie for WinVista too got me, now I'm even pressing the wrong buttons for copy/paste at the A1 after teaching my girlfriend for 10 minutes how to do it on my spanking new pc:(
Now going for a five minute cigarette brake and a get beer.
Winblows&%$/&%$/&%$
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adonay wrote:
Honestly i hope you all waste your money buying second hand macs waiting for some pirate to port it ... It just show how much you care for the platform
Yeah, surely the only people who care about the Amiga are the ones who are prepared to spend £500 on a 10 year old accelerator card which will probably break down :roll:
@PR
Sorry but your posts are totally impenetrable - I have no idea what you're on about! However, I will respond to this:
Will someone please hurry up and port OS4 to PPC Mac, I have a...." Why not do it Yourselve, Mate?
Do you think everybody has the ability to do that? Don't you think if I could do it I would?
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moto
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but i dont want to hear one peep about os4.0 for mac again or else i will explode!! :madashell:
I wish I had OS4 for Mac.. sigh
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like U.S.A people would stop thing theirself and actually start to help people who needs a help
Do not blame the people of the US for the acts of their leaders.
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Manu wrote:
..and if Hyperion announced support for Mac hardware
today then it suddently would be all glory and perfect, dancing bananas´and all that. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
No. If Hyperi1on announced support for affordable and easy to obtain hardware then people would be happy and Hyperion would sell many copies.
It has nothing to do with the Mac. I has to do with:
a) Amiga, Inc. and Hyperion will never port it to x86
b) A 1.4 GHz G4 Mac Mini can be had for $250US or less and is more powerful than the $1000US A1
You cannot blame people for not wanting to spend $1000 for an underpowered machine. The argument that the OS is so lightweight that it doesn't need a powerful machine is invalid when it comes to the pure economics of things. Plus, there are a number of Mac Mini G4 owners who have long since upgraded yet kept their Minis around for something or another. Many of these folks would love to install OS4.
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adonay wrote:
Honestly i hope you all waste your money buying second hand macs waiting for some pirate to port it ... It just show how much you care for the platform .
The platform is no longer hardware. It is software. Back in the heyday of the Amiga you paid much less to get much more. Now we've gone 180 degrees. You pay a ton of money to get an anemic machine. Amiga is software, not hardware. You support Amiga by buying the software. Bill McEwen has the visions of grandeur about having some quad core OS4 machine. He has it backwards. Why not think along the lines of this:
#1 Get the software into the hands of the masses (inexpensive generic PPC)
#2 Build the demand as a result of #1
#3 As a result of #2, the desire for more powerful apps will appear.
#4 And as a result of #3, the need for more powerful hardware will exist
Bill wants to skip right to #4 without even having significant numbers of users even able to play with the OS. No one wants to invest an exorbitant amount of money in a piece of hardware that is a gamble.
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god I love this place :lol: :lol: :lol:
Why tell God you love this place? He already knows. :P
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As much as I don't like A1260's posting style I think he/she may have a point here - this must be the second thread you've made with no real point to it Moto. Usually your non-coffee house posts are all very logical and objective, but recently it's just been:
"I am buying OS4 knowing I won't be able to run it , but wouldn't it be REALLY nice if I was able to run it.. can someone give me a very expensive PPC card or just port the classic edition to PPC Macs please"
I know it sounds like I'm having a go but this really is starting to sound like those "port OS4 to XYZ" threads we used to get in the masses. It's getting silly, and I'm sorry to have to say it but you sound childish.
If you are just taking the piss and trying to liven up the place a bit just say now and I'll delete this post and shut my arse up but I really feel I had to post this observation.
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Fixer wrote:
Usually your non-coffee house posts are all very logical and objective, but recently it's just been:
"I am buying OS4 knowing I won't be able to run it , but wouldn't it be REALLY nice if I was able to run it.. can someone give me a very expensive PPC card or just port the classic edition to PPC Macs please"
Do you think I was serious about somebody giving me a PPC card? It can be hard to recognise sarcasm in text... And are you surprised there is a renewed interest in getting OS4 running on a Mac now it's available? Don't you think there is value in that given that the OS is finally available? Or would you prefer for OS4 to remain available only to those who own rare and expensive hardware?
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motorollin wrote:
Do you think I was serious about somebody giving me a PPC card?
Well no I guess, but you've been saying it a lot.
It can be hard to recognise sarcasm in text...
True.
And are you surprised there is a renewed interest in getting OS4 running on a Mac now it's available? Don't you think there is value in that given that the OS is finally available? Or would you prefer for OS4 to remain available only to those who own rare and expensive hardware?
I am certainly not surprised by the interest, but the daydreaming is almost on par with that of the "port OS4 to etc." threads.
The PPC Mac version was a rumour that came from someone at Hyperion stating that they got it running on one.
If this is true then it certainly isn't going to be available anytime soon (and if it is I'll eat my hat) simply and logically because that would be closer to the A1 version than the classic. If a patch was released it would require an OS4 A1 installation at the very least, something which has been available to a lucky few for a very long time. So, how are we in a different situation now?
If you are talking about someone at Hyperion leaking a patch then how exactly would that help them at Hyperion, and why now just because they are doing what is legally within their right to release the Classic Version?
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The PPC Mac version was a rumour that came from someone at Hyperion stating that they got it running on one.
Nit: It was someone associated with ACube that got it (mostly) ported to the Mac Mini - this was the Moana project. Hyperion always claimed they couldn't port it to the Mac.
If you are talking about someone at Hyperion leaking a patch then how exactly would that help them at Hyperion, and why now just because they are doing what is legally within their right to release the Classic Version?
Hyperion is a charity now, didn't you get the news?
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gdanko wrote:
Manu wrote:
..and if Hyperion announced support for Mac hardware
today then it suddently would be all glory and perfect, dancing bananas´and all that. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
No. If Hyperi1on announced support for affordable and easy to obtain hardware then people would be happy and Hyperion would sell many copies.
It has nothing to do with the Mac. I has to do with:
a) Amiga, Inc. and Hyperion will never port it to x86
b) A 1.4 GHz G4 Mac Mini can be had for $250US or less and is more powerful than the $1000US A1
You cannot blame people for not wanting to spend $1000 for an underpowered machine. The argument that the OS is so lightweight that it doesn't need a powerful machine is invalid when it comes to the pure economics of things. Plus, there are a number of Mac Mini G4 owners who have long since upgraded yet kept their Minis around for something or another. Many of these folks would love to install OS4.
Well, you missed my point a little, but I don't care.
For the rest of what you wrote, I agree with you.
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On a second tought: why not install it as an emulated second OS?
Put it an emulated 2nd envoriment... :roll: :idea:
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adz wrote:
adonay wrote:
Damn i got cought in the bate :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
TBH, my original post was aimed at A1260 or whatever the **** his handle is, however, you bit first so I ran with it. I'm just trying to illustrate how sensitive many of you have become. Fanboyism is ugly wherever it rears its head and it certainly doesn't make for good conversation. A lot of people here need to pour themselves a nice cup'o'tea and relax.
Typical fanboy talk on this forum once again.
Some of here like a nice mug of coffee to relax with.
;-)
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I read a lot of forums and this one is probably the one I read the most. I didn't get a great deal of use out of the Amiga when I was younger but always wanted to.
Anyways, one thing I notice is whenever Mac is mentioned the same reactions always happen. Fanboi, haters bla bla bla.
The topic of porting wouldn't come up so much if they released hardware at the same time as software at a reasonable price so that people could use it. The A1 was released, never saw any easily available in Australia. Would have bought one but definitely not from online and definitely not with all that crap in relation to shipping delays etc. The only reason Mac is so popular obviously is the cheap PPC hardware out there.
It isn't even a case of being a cheap skate either, as mentioned. Amiga hardware is old, very old. I went through 3 Amiga 500s to make one that had the latest roms and worked well. Many say their PPC boards simply don't work anymore.
And by that I don't mean online, I mean in stores. Where people feel comfortable actually paying money. When there has been so many lies within Amiga for how many years, there would be a lot of people out there who buy into Amiga but not online. They just don't trust the companies (for want of a bother word).
In relation to it being possible, of course it can be ported. There is no impossible. I am not capable of doing but it is an operating system designed to run on computers. Nothing more, nothing less. :-)
Why doesn't someone look into creating a PCI card which imitates the special chip sets that can be used on any computer. Similar to minimig but in PCI format and only imitating the dedicated chips. The processor could be a PPC. If a USB version was made it could be ported to PS3/Wii etc. (Aren't I dreaming lol)
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I think the Minimig and the Clone A are the best chances of getting a classic amiga in a small, cost effective footprint.
Buuilding cards costs money and unless there is a potential market, there is not likely to be a PCI card created especially as PCI is an old card type.
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utri007 wrote:
like U.S.A people would stop thing theirself and actually start to help people who needs a help
You're shytting me, right? You can't be serious. We have people living on the streets, people who can't get jobs in our country and yet we send billions of dollars over seas. Charity begins at home, my friend. The seemingly best thing to happen recently was the moratorium on housing interest rate hikes, but there's flaws to that plan as well.
FWIW, as soon as I clear up $105 + S&H I will be visiting AmigaKit to purchase a copy of OS4. I have two dead CyberStorm PPCs that I'm hoping can be brought back to life.
Even if they're both hopeless, I will be purchasing and holding onto at least one copy of OS4 Classic. Primarily because of the hope of coming across a PPC accelerator to run it, but also because when and if I do, I don't want the OS to be sold out and have its price rocket up to the astronomical prices placed on existing PPC accelerators.
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By the way, I kind of resent being labelled a "Mac fanboy" (not that I'm 100% sure what that means) for hoping that AmigaOS 4 will be ported to run on a Mac. The only reason people, including me, want this is because Mac hardware is available, relatively cheap, powerful, and is technically capable of running (a modified version of) OS4. If anything wanting this makes one an Amiga fan - not a Mac fan - for wanting some way of running AmigaOS!
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I concur. It isn't about Macintosh/Apple loyalty. It's about a cheaper and more powerful alternative to these A1s, etc.
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in that case porting it to x86 is better..
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in that case porting it to x86 is better..
The difference between writting a few drivers and a bootloader is huge compared to rewritting the entire OS for x86 and losing 680x0 binary compatibility.
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orange wrote:
in that case porting it to x86 is better..
And how would PPC OS4 apps run if the OS was running on an x86 processor?
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motorollin wrote:
By the way, I kind of resent being labelled a "Mac fanboy" (not that I'm 100% sure what that means) for hoping that AmigaOS 4 will be ported to run on a Mac. The only reason people, including me, want this is because Mac hardware is available, relatively cheap, powerful, and is technically capable of running (a modified version of) OS4. If anything wanting this makes one an Amiga fan - not a Mac fan - for wanting some way of running AmigaOS!
You, a Mac fanboy? :lol:
A true Mac fanboy would never want to install Amiga OS 4 on a Mac.
Hans
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Just to bring up on the point about the USA and sending money abroad. Compared to your national wealth you send less money to help other counteries than any other country in the world.