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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: amiga1260 on July 14, 2003, 09:06:25 AM
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The worst OSes I ever used are:
Windows XP Pro with Service Pack 1:
Sometimes it gives strange errors in memory and some CD's cannot be read. If I run Win98, it doesn't give this promblems with CD's
The second OS I hate is Window Me:
There is problems with Windows media player and strange lockups.
The best OSes are:
Workbench 3.0, 3.1, 3.5 and 3.9
Linux
Risc OS
Win 98 amd win 2000
Which OS do you like and hate?
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XP isn't the worst OS I've used. Win2K is my favorite, followed by OS 3.0 (relative to when it was released, of course). I'm also quite partial to OS/2, that is, V2.0, which is driven mostly with text-rendered user interfaces. I love a good TUI. I haven't tried OS/2 Warp, but I would like to, just for inspiration. :-)
Win98 was too flakey to be "better" than Win2K. Just last week, I emptied the Recycle Bin on my legacy computer, and now I have hundreds of cross-linked files on my hard drive and all sorts of other filesystem nastiness. That box also crashed on me about 4-5 times a week. I don't think I'll bother re-installing it. I only really play DOS games on it, anyway. Anything before Win2K is junk. ;-)
Any Unix-ish OS is obsolete for my tastes. Typing is what you do when writing scripts or your video drivers are corrupt. Otherwise, give me Directory Commander, any day! Gnome also drives me nuts. What ever happened to TUI's?
I also liked DOS, believe it or not. It might be braindead, but It's so simple, there's really nothing you can do to permanently mess up the system. DOS was a good gaming platform, at least.
The worst OS I'm familiar with has to be NT4. It's not as stable as Windows fans want you to believe, it allows drivers and apps to do all sorts of stupid stuff to the system, corrupted installations with NTFS have to be wiped out, as there's no way to access a partition from DOS without 3rd party tools, and driver organization is horrible. I'll never understand why 85% of drivers can be installed as "devices" and "services", but specialized drivers, like video and hard drive controllers, have their own control panels. IDE drives are also labeled as SCSI devices. In fact, even parallel port card readers are labeled as SCSI devices! :-?
Second worst is just about any old version of MacOS. Slowest OS's in the world, and loaded with bugs. I ran into a problem when I installed MacOS 8.0 from scratch on nine identical Power Macs. On *FOUR* machines, the CD-ROM never showed up unless you boot from the drive, and trying to play an audio CD locked up the machine. The other five Macs worked fine (relatively speaking). Every Mac person I talked to told me it was a hardware problem.
Installing the OS 8.1 patch fixed the CD-ROMs. Still, our Quark Express CD's didn't show up when you put them in the drive, while all other CD's worked fine. I had to use some trickery with unfolded paper clips to install Quark. Ugh. And of course, they crashed, like, ten times a day. It burns me up when fanatics tell me their Macs never crash, and they are soooo easy-to-use. Mixing and matching hundreds of system extensions, trying to find the "bad" one, is not what I call easy-to-use! But hey, who cares now that OS X is available?
That's not to say I just hate Macs. I really hate just about everything. ;-)
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The all time crappest OS I've ever used award goes to: Windows ME. Truly dire.
Second crappest: Atari TOS. (note that Atari users agree and have replaced it with various improved systems ;)
Oh, and I disagree about Linux being one of the best. TBH, I think its a miracle it works at all its such a mess. (and no, fancy GUIs to abstract the user from the mess only addresses the symptom, not the problem :-D ).
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Worst:
1. Any AmigaOS with WarpOS installed.
2. Windows ME (does anyone out there like this OS?)
3. Windows XP with all of the eyecandy turned on
Best:
1. FreeBSD/Gentoo Linux with Gnome 2.2.
2. C64 Basic (C'mon, it was an OS that *never* got in your way)
3. Windows 2000.
Now if this question was asked ten years ago, it would've been AmigaOS all of the way .. but in the past ten years there has been no *major* OS development, and the minor updates that there has been has been simply to copy MacOS and Windows..
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Sometimes it gives strange errors in memory and some CD's cannot be read. If I run Win98, it doesn't give this promblems with CD's
I didn't have this problem with
- WinXP-Pro-SP1**
- Win2K3 Server.
**1st PC was fitted with LG DVD/CD-RW, nForce II 400 Ultra class chipset/AthlonXP, Geforce TI VIVO, Sound Storm APU, 512MB DDR SDRAM, Dual 100Mbit NICs, 80Gb+40Gb+20Gb 7200rpm HDs (UDMA133).
2nd X86 PC was fitted with SBlive5.1DE (with Audigy 2 drivers), Geforce 2, Sony CD-RW, Samsung 16X-DVD-ROM, 40Gb+20Gb 7200RPM HDs (UDMA100). , 512MB SDRAM, 100Mbit Realtek NIC, VIA KTxxx class chipset/Athlon (TBird)@1.33Ghz. Dual boot with Win2K3 and WinXP.
3rd X86 PC was fitted with SBlive-Value, nVidia TNT2, Imitation 32X/24X/16X CD-RW, 8Gb 5200RPM HD(UDMA33), Celeron @500Mhz, Intel ZX440, 192Mb SDRAM, 10Mbit NIC.
OS that I like
1. MacOS X (pretty GUI).
2. AmigaOS 3.9 (modified for my liking).
3. Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition (X86-32)(near brain dead server maintenance).
4. Windows XP Pro – SP1 (X86-32) (leisure and general office usage) (with Silver XP theme).
5. Mandrake Linux 9.1 (X86-32) (nice cheap Linux distro).
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jamesm wrote:
2. C64 Basic (C'mon, it was an OS that *never* got in your way)
If you're going to include BASIC ROMs that shipped with 8 bit computers, C64 BASIC is RIGHT at the bottom of the pile (and believe me, I am a true Commodore fan, I own 3 C64s, a VIC-20, a PET, and some others). BBC BASIC just totally wipes the floor with any other BASIC of that era.
I mean lets do a comparison:
C64 BASIC pros:
1) Extensible (at the cost of RAM or a cart slot)
2) Errr.... it works
C64 BASIC cons:
1) No graphics or sound commands. You have to POKE the hardware directly
2) Woefully small command set
3) Slooooooow
BBC BASIC [and DOS] pros (compared to C64 BASIC):
1) Structure (procedures, local variables etc.)
2) Inline assembler
3) Comprehensive sound and graphics command set
4) Relatively fast for a BASIC of its type
5) Inbuilt methods for changing character set, "special" key behaviour etc.
6) Automatic line enumeration, and renumbering
BBC BASIC cons (compared to C64 BASIC):
1) errr... ummm.... :-)
I will admit that the C64 had vastly superior hardware to the BBC (in terms of graphics and sound; the BBC was more easily expandable), but we're discussing the OS here..
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Worst:
1) Windows ME (nothing comes even close in instability)
2) Neutrino (many years ago, surely changed since that)
3) Windows 3 (could there be anything MORE ugly?)
Best:
1) AmigaOS (after getting a turbo- and gfxcard)
2) MorphOS (fast and corgeous looking, contender for #1 spot)
3) MacOS (works like a dream)
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Worst I've used: Windows ME, old MacOS versions
Best: C128 Basic...it's what the C64 Basic
should have been all along (gfx/sound commands
etc)...:P..:)
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Windows 98/98se is the worst os imo.
My OS of choice at the moment is XP Pro no service pack "Sp1 made XP buggy for me".
My favorite is AmigaOS.
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WOrst: WINDOWS 95 / Me /3.11 , ATARI TOS
best: amigaos3.1 , 3.9bb2 , win2000 (its quite good) ...
but i must add that i only use amigaos now...and will keep dooing that...
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Worst: DOS / Win 3.11, I just hate it... Single tasking, lousy memory management
Second Worst: Atari TOS, what a joke
Third Worst: Win 9x / ME, unstable, unreliable, needs to be reinstalled every 2 or 3 months, huge.
Best: AmigaOS 3.x, fast, nice to work with, easy, configurable.
Second Best: Mac OS X, easy to use, beautiful, overall a pleasant surprise.
Third Best: Debian GNU/Linux, so many possabilities, if you only have the time to configure everything the way you want it.
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I agree, WinXp and Me really sucks!!!!
Win98 isn't terrible and my favorite is AmigaOS3.9 (i think OS4 will be the best). i also like BeOS very much.
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Worst:
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows ME
Redhat Linux
OS2/Warp
MacOS 9.x or less
Best:
MorphOS
Mac OS X
AmigaOS3.9
Acorn RiscOS
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the best os ... for what ?!
if i have to setup a network, the best choice is (imho)
solaris 9
linux
freebsd
the worst are (for networks)
windows (nt/2k/xp)
mac os classic
amiga os (and all other desktop os´es)
if i want to use the computer as a desktop system :
best are :
gnome/kde
amiga os (with diropus me)
mox
morphos
(even windows is not that bad for desktop reasons)
worst are
cde
win 3.x
amigaos <2.x
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Best
Windows 2000 pro - best windows going
AmigaOS3.x - great to use
Worst
Windows 9x/ME- to unstable for serious work
AmigaOS 3.x - lacks so much serious software and can just bomb out with no protection anywhere.
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Oh c'mon guys... you are refering to Win 3.1
If we're going to do a best/worst then at least stick to the current incarnation of each OS.
I mean theres no point comparing win3.1 to OSX is there?
-Jar.
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IME, the best desktop OS's at present are Windows XP and Mac OS-X. The worst I have ever used is Windows ME.
AmigaOS3 is incredibly fast/responsive and fairly intuitive but lacking a bit on the usability front IMO. Lets see what OS4 does to rectify this shall we?
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Best OS:
1: Windows 2000.
2: don't use other systems that much, so I really don't need any other OS.
Worst:
1: NT 4.0 (by far)
talk about crappy OS. Have anyone of you ACTUALLY tried to do anything with it(anything at all...)?
2: Windows 95, (lacking most drivers and stuff)
3: Windows XP, (just irritatingly difficult to alter things in)
4: Mac OS.
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Ok... I still think WB3.0 is the best OS I've ever used. I guess I have a fetish of some sort :-D
Next best: FreeBSD. It was pretty hard to understand at first, but now I really like it. Logical and functional. I don't like the gui's that are available for it though. Or any *nix gui. They're probably very good, but any gui that isn't as comfortable as Workbench annoys me. I really hate clicking on things that don't respond immediately.
Worst by far: AROS. This is of course just a shameless attempt to annoy developers enough to work faster on it... Please tell me if it works. Can I please have a complete x86 native version now? I have a mini-itx system that's gagging for it :-D
Worst: Windows ME. Has anyone been able to find an OS behind the bugs? It cost me quite a bit of money, as I found that hardware was quickly accelerated upon trying to use it. Accelerated as in across the room...
Next worst: Windows 98. I'm using it now. It annoys me greatly. I get jumpy if I haven't seen a BSOD in a couple of days.
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/me groans at how utterly predictable this thread started and will continue to be...
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Well at least it wasn't too hard to guess everybody hates Win ME .. that really is utter #### and an example how an OS should *NOT* be done.
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used and liked:
OS/2 v 2.1, 3.0 , 4.0 , 4.5
Ericsson Dos v 3.2
Microsoft Dos v 4.01, 6.22
Windows 2000
used and disliked:
Windows 95
Windows 98 (sucks even more than 95)
uses and likes:
Linux
Solaris
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Worst & or Least Liked:
All Micro$, All Atari
Best or Most Liked:
Amiga 3.x, Mac OS X.2, Mandrake 3.1, NeXT
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lempkee wrote:
WOrst: WINDOWS 95 / Me /3.11 , ATARI TOS
[...]
Windows 286/386, 3.0, 3.11 and 3.11 is just a graphical shell for Dos and should therefor just be considered as a crappy program for a very old operating system, not as an operating system.
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Th worst are
mac os the older versions
windows xp
windows 2000 pro
windows me
windows 98
red hat linux
mandrake linux
the best are
beos
qnx
suse linux
morphix linux
work bench version 3 onwards
windows 3.1
aros.
:-)
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wors os i have used:
1:winME
2:macOS 8 (an OS with worse multitasking than windows and crashed constantly)
3:win9x
4:winXP
5:win2k
6:winNT
(Not going to mention 16bit and older oses like Dos, win3.x and older..
The best microsoft OS was: WinNT4.0
best os:
1: AmigaOS
2: BeOS
3: linux
4: qnx
I think i would like os/2, but sadly i never was able to see it in action.
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hagar wrote:
lempkee wrote:
WOrst: WINDOWS 95 / Me /3.11 , ATARI TOS
[...]
Windows 286/386, 3.0, 3.11 and 3.11 is just a graphical shell for Dos and should therefor just be considered as a crappy program for a very old operating system, not as an operating system.
What about win95, 98 and me then? Was running ontop of dos too...
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OK... so the thread is predictable.. but funny LOL
Re: AROS, for someone who mentioned it, yes, it will run native on the x86, can't do a lot with it yet (some games and basic apps) but it does.. HDD installation not properly ready yet, though. Hosted under Linux on the x86 it will work fine.
Right.. the list...
ALL Windows 9x OSes were utter ####e. 95 was essentially a GUI for DOS 7.0 and not that good a one. 98/98SE were really bad, but did in fact replace much of the DOS aspect of 95. ME was a bastardized compromise between 9x and NT. It was utterly useless, cost me a lot of money and time and is probably my biggest mistake ever in terms of judging an OS - I actually said "I reckon ME will be really good, I'd recommend upgrading" to a lot of friends.. some still won't let me live it down. They are all bad because they have no memory management at all and are incredibly unstable even aside from that.
Windows NT OSes are pretty good, NT4 works fine but is terribly dated now (and to answer an earlier poster, yep! I ran my desktop machine on it for about two years - for serious work it was perfect, being stable and powerful. It lacked the support for devices I needed later though). NT5 is very good (that's Windows 2000 and XP btw) and I currently use XP Pro as my desktop system. The GUI in XP takes a lot of flak, but it's simply personal preference, I hate the Mac OS look and feel, including OS X. Though OS X is a very good OS.
AmigaOS... dated now. Hence the AROS project, AOS 4.0, MorphOS, etc. In their day, the versions were pretty good from what I saw, although I did not use them to speak of.
Linux... which distribution? Linux is not an OS anyway, it is a kernel. I know this gets done to death some places, but it is an important distinction, because one "linux" can be utter ####e and another very good. And a lot depends on what you want to do with it. As a desktop OS I think it is pointless. But that is only my opinion.
BeOS.. never quite delievered what it promised. Older version of MacOS... I never liked them at all. Seemed to be hard to get the same range of good software at sensible prices too. FreeBSD I think is good, but a desktop OS it is not, really. I like it for dev work, sometimes.
AROS: well I am working on the project now, so I am hardly an objective observer.. but my thoughts are as follows;
AROS is going to be platform independent (in hardware terms), it is going to (I hope!) allow all the old Amiga software to run. It will retain and improve/update the old AmigaOS look and feel, while at the same time being a modern OS with the kind of features that OUGHT to have been present in AOS, e.g. some memory protection support, non-custom hardware drivers, etc. We also hope that the API will be easy to work with for developers, when we are done. So, I intend to switch to AROS for development and even as my main desktop OS at the earliest opportunity. That is not possible right now, but it should be very soon. (I use x86 hardware of course and want native support, not hosted on top of a Linux kernel).
John
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best OS Amiga OS & Dopus magellan2
second best QNX
third "best" WinXP (with 300+ mb of mem)
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Tomas wrote:
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What about win95, 98 and me then? Was running ontop of dos too...
I must admit that you got a point there... :-x
However I think that one should consider Msdos 7.0 (or whatever they called it) as an integrated part of win95/98/me, since you can't (or shouldn't) replace the dos delivered wtih windows with another version.
If I rembember correctly Caldera (owners of Dr. DOS) sued microsoft since win95/98 could (with some hard work) run under different version of DOS (including DR. Dos), and microsoft didn't play fair since they bundled dos 7.0 with win95/98 and said that it was integrated...
However I don't know what happend with that lawsauit and i havn't seen a "beginners guide to use Dr.Dos with windows 95/98" anywhere on the net.
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All OSes suck, AmigaOS just sucks less.
I like most "modern" OSes (Windows 2000 and up, AmigaOS, MacOS X, *nix) - they are all good at different things. But the two OSes I really hate are Windows 98 (have to run it on my laptop, sigh...) and MacOS 9.
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Worst: anything < 32bit
Best: Emacs :-D
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OSes I ever used or tryed
AmigaOS (all except 2.x)
MS Dos
MS Wintrolls (all)
Linux (Debian, RedHat, Mandrake)
BeOS
Best:
1. AmigaOS3.9
2. BeOS
Worst:
1. MS Wintrolls (all) :-D
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xeron wrote:
Oh, and I disagree about Linux being one of the best. TBH, I think its a miracle it works at all its such a mess. (and no, fancy GUIs to abstract the user from the mess only addresses the symptom, not the problem :-D ).
I'm 100% in agreement with you there :-)
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It would have to be either Windows 95 or Windows 98 in pole position for the worst OS I've ever used. Flaky, slow and cumbersome are words that often spring to mind when using MS operating systems.
Bizarrely enough I find XP to be quite good. Sure, far too many games won't work with it (Grand Prix Legends, sob!) but it seems generally stable and well thought out. Shame it uses so much system resources really.
AmigaOS (3.9) is responsive and easy to use but is now really showing it's age. The lack of memory protection and some cumbersome elements let it down, but this can be excused when you remember that the last THOROUGH revamp was over a decade ago. Neither OS3.5/9 are a true rewrite of the classic Amiga OS.
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Operating Systems I Have Used:
Microsoft DOS 3.3, 5.0, 6.0, 6.2, 6.22
Microsoft Windows 3.1, 3.11, 95, NT 4, 98, 98SE, 2000, ME, XP
Apple System 7, MacOS 8.5,8.6,9 and X
AmigaOS 1.1,1.2,1.3,2.05,3.0,3.1,3.9
Linux Suse PPC 7.3
Atari TOS
Acorn RiscOS (a few versions, not sure which)
My favourites:
AmigaOS 2.05 and up
Microsoft Windows XP
Apple MacOS X
Acorn RiscOS
Worst:
All DOS, and Windows pre XP.
Atari TOS is pretty woeful.
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@Hagar: Boy, are you the only other person around here that's used OS/2?! OS/2 is what MS-DOS should have been, and I rather like using V2.0. I just re-installed a Citrix Multiuser 2.2 system due to a bad partition table. The more I use it, the more I like it.
I think I'm just doomed to adore obsolete sytems. :-D
I agree that XP gets more flak for the GUI than it deserves. My dad has the eye candy turned off, and it looks and works just like Win2K, aside from the stupid, and now wizard-"enhanced", network setup. UGH!!!
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Gaidheal : Windows NT OSes are pretty good, NT4 works fine but is terribly dated now (and to answer an earlier poster, yep! I ran my desktop machine on it for about two years - for serious work it was perfect, being stable and powerful. It lacked the support for devices I needed later though).
I suppose, if you have service pack 6a. Most of the NT4 systems I use at work have service pack 5, and are utter crap when it comes to stability. It would be nice if I could upgrade the service pack, but Kodak won't let me. They're afraid SP6a will break something. Harldy appropriate, seeing how their damn DLS software crashes ten times a day, anyway. ;-)
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The best OS i ever used is the Amiga OS 3.0 and 3.1
The worst OS i ever used is the Amiga OS 3.9 .
I used windows 98, it had its merrits.
I upgraded to windows xp and it works very well. I can't complain very much as it works fine except for a couple of times where it went down with an error "ole error ". What on earth that means, well only those who know can tell.
Ok i use a draco for most of my work. I decided to purchase OS 3.9 to make things better and to my surprise, the amiga OS had never been somthing so stupid to use.
After about 10 or so reinstallations and formating of harddisks i decided to go back to OS 3.1. That worked perfect until about a year or so latter when i had finished edittng a couple of important documentaries. I thought it was the right time to re try the OS 3.9 or else my money would have been a complete waste.
I searched for trouble shootings and found out that some one had configured a workbench 3.9 to work on the draco. I contacted him and he informed of how much it will cost. I seatled him and he send me the cd rom with all the mojos on.
All i had to do, was to insert his cd rom in and follow the instructions. All went fine until i had to remove some of the features that i find unneccesary. F.eg the background in a window is filled with some wierd silva sky image, i could hardly read the text.
This is where my disapointment begun. I follw the way one has to do it as it always has been and it just dos'nt work. There are also so many patches added that you don't know which belongs to which.
The worst of it all is, there is no documentation of those haks and patches. As i use the machine mainly for serious work, i don't have time to fidle with such rubbish which is non productive. I even run the risk of doing something stupid which will force me to format the harddrives. The least is somthing i realy don't hope .
At the moment, if have to read somthing from the diskette, as i often do due to transfering of data from pc to draco. Exspecialy if i rendered images from lightwave on the pc. I will have to insert the diskette in the drive then reboot before it will be readable. This was not the case pre Os 3.9. Imagine rebooting 720 times to load 720 frames of iff images to do acommecial of 30 seconds.
So, now do i have to consider that i upgraded my system or made it worse.
Your's Faithfully
Jump 2 b naked
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Best:
IRIX
OSX
FreeBSD
SuSE Linux
AmigaOS 3x
Win2K/XP
Moderate:
BeOS
QNX
OpenBSD
NetBSD
VMS
AIX
Solaris
HP-UX
RiscOS
Red Hat Linux
Debian Linux
Slackware Linux
Worst:
TOS
Win95
Win98
WinME
Win NT 4.0
SCO
MSDOS
True64 Unix
AllTheCrapLinuxDistros
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@Hagar Argh, I don't have it anymore ( I cleaned out my old links) I used to have a link with that tutorial. It was difficult too, not really worth it to do.
DR DOS is IMO a very nice OS in its own way.
PalmOS (no-ones even mentioned it yet, why?) is my favorite OS for what it does. Sketching, writing, gaming, organizer. It simply gets out of your way and Works.
I've always had bad experiences with Linux, but it's a nice OS - not great for desktop though IMNSHO.
Widnows Xp is actually a fairly nice OS, I still say its bloated and slow though - though on my 1.4GHz Vaio, not too slow, just slow in bursts sometimes.
Windows ME sucks, it just sucks, couldn't install my DSL set-up on it because I have a DVD-Rom drive. It's a documented problem too, stupid stupid thing. Slower than 98se and no real advantage from what i've experienced (98se is a fair version of windows)
I've never had much experience with Macs, the OS9 and below (school used to have) always seemed very similiar to windows to me.
*Nixes are always to me business machines, for point of sale or network/web hosting, not home use.
Amiga OS is nice and friendly, from my rather limited experience.
Never used an Atari (other than 2600), anyone want to send me one?
Also I've not had any experience with WinCE and OS/2, both of which don't make me feel I'm missing anything. Palm is wonderful for handhelds, and OS/2 is not very up to date.
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In no particular order.
Favourites
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MacOS X - It just does it's job so well without getting in the way of actual apps, and combined with iApps and Apple hardware it's the first TRUE home computer since Commodore bit the dust. It doesn't look too shabby
AmigaOS3.x - Just for simplicity and shear tinkerability
+3DOS - Simple, easy nice with a clear text menu interface
RiscOS 3 - Very nice at the time, was perfect for the education market it was successful in. My first experience of a GUI, and my introduction to digital art which later lead me to the Amiga.
MS-DOS - I used to enjoy being geeky and making a boot disk for every single game I bought. :-D
Windows 2000 - In my stint as an admin I had to look after lot of Win2000 machines, and I found it a good stable powerful and relatively smooth OS. The only real issue I ever had was with a driver for a USB-Serial adapter on a laptop (Which wouldn't of been an issue if the dumbass network engineer who went out and bought laptop would have bought one with a serial port like everyone else had - especially as half it's use was to console into routers and switches via serial :-o)
Worst
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MacOS 9.x - I can't believe people prefer this over OS X, it has to be the worst, most unstable, overly cluttered, ugliest OS ever made. I tried it once on my dual boot eMac and when installing a program is crashed halfway through and killed the system, making it refuse to boot.
Windows 95 - I couldn't believe how bad it was when I was forced to downgrade from DOS/Win3.11.
Windows XP - This is a odd OS, if you run it and have no problems it's a pretty good windows version, but if problems hit, they hit BIG time! It's telling when the UK's biggest PC reseller has to attach a recovery information leaflet to every recipt of every computer they sell.
Amiga(D)OS 1.x - UGH! It's no wonder Amigas ended up becoming a toy/game machine when they were supplied with a toy GUI like this one had. No standards in the UI (even different gadget syles in the OS itself!!!!)
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My favourite OS has to be Windows Millennium................. I mean............. Its the only one that can make me laugh, no other OS has managed to do that :-D :lol: :-P
As for worst OS it definately has to be Amiga OS............why?............because it has a bad habit of getting left behind nowadays, when once it was ahead :roll:
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Oh and BTW now that my coursework is nearly finished I should have a bit more time on my hands.
I might install Windows 2003 on a spare hard drive just to see what it's like.
Has anyone tried it yet?
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@Hagar: Boy, are you the only other person around here that's used OS/2?! OS/2 is what MS-DOS should have been,
I have used OS/2 Warp (i.e. given away free with magazine cover CD** and from IBM’s X86 PC software bundle)...
**Should have done it earlier i.e. before Windows 95’s release…
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Hammer wrote:
@Hagar: Boy, are you the only other person around here that's used OS/2?! OS/2 is what MS-DOS should have been,
I have used OS/2 Warp (i.e. given away free with magazine cover CD** and from IBM’s X86 PC software bundle)...
**Should have done it earlier i.e. before Windows 95’s release…
Do you mean given away free before Win95 came out or do you mean produced before Win95? OS/2 Warp was before Win95
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I might install Windows 2003 on a spare hard drive just to see what it's like.
Has anyone tried it yet?
I have tried and currently using Win2K3 EE on another machine.
Default installation looks like Windows 2000 GUI with near-brain-dead wizards for server maintenance. Windows XP GUI and I.E 6.0’s scripting engines was not activated by default.
It some issues with MS-SQL 7…
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Do you mean given away free before Win95 came out or do you mean produced before Win95? OS/2 Warp was before Win95
IBM should have played hardball with MS during the Windows 95 era i.e. use cover-CD distribution tactic earlier not later. This is one method to compete with MS's bundling of "Win95 with every new X86 PC" tactic.
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Hammer wrote:
[IBM should have played hardball with MS during the Windows 95 era i.e. use cover-CD distribution tactic earlier not later. This is one method to compete with MS's bundling of "Win95 with every new X86 PC" tactic.
Probably.
I had a Win3.11/OS2Warp dual boot machine shortly before Win95 became available, and to be honest Warp never got much use, as it was slow, clunky and had zero software for it. It was technically superiour, but lost out to the M$ marketing machine. Had NT's development gone differently we may all be using Warp now.
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Hi,
The best OS's I have ever used are listed in the following order:
Mini code, (I like playing with nibbles)
CPM (This was a great OS)
DOS (Wonder how fast it would run on today's machines)
Windows 2000 (this os is fantastic)
Windows XP (Seems pretty solid to me)
Windows 98 (Great for game machines)
Windows 95 (a crash OS)
Amiga DOS 1.0 ( Why did they use DF0: instead of C:)
Amiga DOS 1.1 (really made me mad lost my favorite game Arctic Fox, wouldn't run on anything but a A1000 and 1.0 DOS, another exclusive game by Electronic Arts)
Amiga DOS 2.0 ( lot of games quit playing on this one especially if they were copy protected, the thing I liked about 2.0 was its support for hard drives, the thing I hated was most of your software was copy protected and couldn't be put on a hard drive)
Amiga DOS 3.0 / 3.1 (even though the OS looked like it was improving the copy protection stopped you from putting any good games on your hard drive, any improvements in the OS at this time was literally useless for the Amiga, the Amiga was at its height but the software developers made it suck)
Amiga DOS 3.5 ( major improvement but for what, the Amiga is dead at this point and any improvement even major improvements did no good)
Amiga DOS 3.9 ( possibly a good OS but who can tell there is nothing or anybody supporting it. The people who are supporting Amiga are only doing so hoping with their last dying breath that Amiga will do the impossible and be the Pheonix out of the ashes but the only bird the Amiga fanatics will get is the one on thier hand called the middle digit.
have fun computin
smerf
:-P :crazy:
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Well I've had my share of experiences in the land of Operating Systems:
Worst:
DOS - My hatred for this OS dates back to my teenage years, it sucked PERIOD!
WinNT - like Wacoon said, it was not as stable as people made it out to be.
Win98 - it was more buggy than Win95!
WinXP - though probably not as bad as previous versions Windows, it's still quirky, clunky and unpredictable.
Mac OS X (10.0) - Though I like Unix based OSes, this one was just plain SLOW!
Best:
VMS - probably one of the best networking type OS out there. It was very stable as well, it's a shame that DEC got bought out by a half-baked PC company called Compaq :-(
Solaris - This is probably the next best OS behind VMS with the same +s. I've worked around this OS for nearly a decade now :-D
BeOS - Just a cool all-around OS that would practically turn any slow PC/Mac into a fast performing machine. I still use this OS now.
Linux (the RedHat distro is my most favorite) - Though a few years ago I probably wouldn't have listed this OS, I quite like it these days. A very good and cheap alternative to the more expensive/proprietary Unix Oses out there.
Mac OS X (10.1 and up) - though I was not exactly happy with the intitial release of OS X, I have been a satisfied user since the release of 10.1 and I am looking forward to Panther's release soon.
AOS - what's not to like? :-P :-D ;-)
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Finally someone starts trashing NT4, because it really deserves it.
If you Internet explorer, notepad and word, then you can use almost any os (except windows 1.0, etc).
The saddest thing about IRIX and Solaris, is that the hardware required to run it cost $$$£££€€€.
But then again, sun makes laptops, ranging from 120000 SEK ( 8.1 SEK = 1 $ ) and up.
And we're talking SCSI and no crap here.
Wonder if it even has the option of running on battery. :)
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I REALLY HATE TRS-DOS!!!
(This was the DOS for the TRS-80 line of computers)
After that I hate Windows 2000 because it just ate itself today and I've noticed that my files are much less recoverable due to difficulty in getting boot disks that support NTFS among several other things, like being in the console repair mode logged in as Administrator, and STILL not being allowed access to half my directories!
I like Win98 Second Edition. I never had problem with it for over 3 years, I had one blue screen of death from something that was competely my fault, and should (not that it did) it decide to claw the MBR, kernal dll, and several other pieces of itself from my hard-drive, I can still get into my directories to copy any valuable data off before I reformat with any MS-bootable floppy.
I also hate all deciples of windows 3 (3.0, 3.1, 3.11)
the 4.x series of MS-DOS sucked too!
Actually, now that I think about it, the only good MS-DOSes were 3.1, 5, and 6.22 those all pretty much worked the way they were supposed to. The rest of the 6 series would've been good if doublespace didn't have a tendency to trash your hard drive.
I am however thankful that I never have to use edlin again to fix a stupid autoexec file.
I have always found MacOS to be obtuse and annoying.
Linux scales the range from treating me like I'm a newborn baby infant (Redhat) to being nearly user hostile (slackware) if you're a relative beginner.
I liked Be.
I find I have little complaint even with the early versions of Workbench.
Yah, I'd have to say TRS-DOS was really my enemy (I don't remember which version) tho'
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Why does windoesnot suck?
windoesnot pro sp1
C:\windows
contains: 7,198 files, 369 folders
Size: (972,913,055 bytes)
WTF??? Is this some kind of joke??? This is before application programs, games or personal files. Are drivers in there too? Probably not.
I REFUSE to believe it is necessary to have that much code to turn on your computer, have a GUI, operate a mouse, ser/par port and kb. The either net card is just a port like the ser port is, does it really need that much code to work? I just don't get what's going on in there!!!!!
It's madness, madness I tell you!!!
AOS4.0 is gonna rock, even though it'll be bulky due to being done with RISC code.
Call me biased, but AOS just works the way I expect things to, that's all, we're in sync with each other.
AmigaOne! The best OS no one ever heard of!!!!
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Gaidheal wrote:
AROS: well I am working on the project now, so I am hardly an objective observer.. but my thoughts are as follows;
Okay, I have some questions that aren't clear, and I have been to the website already.
1) Will I be able to boot into 1.3.3, and 2.x with AROS? I know it's a 3.x thing.
2) Does it support OCS and/or ECS and/or AGA graphics?
3) Can I play all of my games? Will it support catweasel, so I could boot off of stubborn copy protected games?
4) It will boot directly into AROS off the HD, no need for windos, and the filesystem on the HD will be FFS? (Except it will need the drivers, obviously.)
5) Will AMOS Pro work on it? :-) :-D Must...have...
AmigaOne! The road less traveled.
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Why does everyone hate win me? i found that it was much better than win 98/se, more stable and more stuff worked.
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@Atheist
I think you misunderstand. AROS is NOT an emulator. It's an operating system.
So, you can't boot into 1.3 or 2.0 or 3.x, and you won't have support for OCS, ECS or AGA unless you use something like UAE on AROS.
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Best:
- AmigaOS 3.x
- Windows2000
- red-hat Linux
Worst:
- Windows ME
- Windows NT 4.0
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The Win ME installation on my laptop is about the most stable OS I have ever had. I know everybody hates it and says it's shait, but I really never had any problems with it. That said, it's far from the best.
Best : Windows XP Pro
Worst: Mac OS 8
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Not really "worst OS" but it has one feature, OS'es should NOT have...
C64 GEOS, it has copy protection, sure, you can use original disk to
just boot, and after booting, replace it with copy of it, and it does
work... Untill your original "boot disk" breaks up... Then, you cannot
access any of your works untill you get another original GEOS disk...
Sucks... I think, latest versions didn't have such protection
though...
But didn't Microsoft just introduce much similar system for Windows
XP?
You know, "artificially" prevent user from taking full backup of
(finally) working system, for easier (re-)install later...
Then, about the "good" OS'es, I guess, dr. DOS is best DOS for PC's
(Isn't it called "Freedos" nowadays?)
MS-DOS isn't that bad either; Most likely becouse it wasn't created by
Microsoft in the first place :-)
One rather new OS worth mentioning is Arachne, multitasking graphical
operating system... For unexpanded C64!
Comes with TCP/IP, Web browser and Telnet client
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Oh, one OS worth mentioning for "bad" list:
Microsoft Windows 98
As only "big" update to previous (Windows 95) was that, it forces user
to have & use Microsoft Internet Explorer
-what kind of effect that has for general usage?
Well, it makes system eat much more memory, makes it generally MUCH
more unstabile, and if you use any better web browser, you still waste
system resources for IE, that's running in the background...
And yes, it IS loaded even, if you start Win in safe mode!
If your HD is in state, when you cannot save to HD, you cannot get it
booted, becouse Explorer keeps on crashing & reloading as it cannot
write to disk! (I DO have (bad) experiences on that...)
And as Microsoft said, "Microsoft Internet Explorer is internal part
of OS and cannot be removed"
Luckily, they were telling us (and court) bullshit, yet AGAIN!
It's dead easy to remove, with freely available programs, shouldn't be
too hard to update windows to "Microsoft Windows 98 lite without
Microsoft Internet Explorer" :-)
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10 Win 98 I have really no problems with 98
20 Setup Win 98 correctly
30 No flaming please
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I REFUSE to believe it is necessary to have that much code to turn on your computer, have a GUI, operate a mouse, ser/par port and kb. The either net card is just a port like the ser port is, does it really need that much code to work? I just don't get what's going on in there!!!!!
You have forgotten a few things...
1. OLE // application integrations and embedded application objects.
2. WOW //Legacy support.
3. Win32 //Main 32bit Windows APIs.
4. DirectX, //performance bias abstract APIs and services.
5. OBDC // to access data from a variety of database management systems.
6. Video Codecs (shared with other applications)
7. Sound Codecs (shared with other applications)
8. HAL
9. HEL (Hardware Emulated Layer)
10. ‘etc’
Specifics
1. Application Layer Gateway Service //Notifies selected users and computers of administrative alerts.
2. Application Layer Gateway Service //Provides support for 3rd party protocol plug-ins for Internet Connection Sharing and the Internet Connection Firewall
3. Application Management //Provides software installation services such as Assign, Publish, and Remove.
4. Automatic Updates //Enables the download and installation of critical Windows updates. If the service is disabled, the operating system can be manually updated at the Windows Update Web site.
5. Background Intelligent Transfer Service //Uses idle network bandwidth to transfer data.
6. ClipBook //Enables ClipBook Viewer to store information and share it with remote computers.
7. COM+ Event System //Supports System Event Notification Service (SENS), which provides automatic distribution of events to subscribing Component Object Model (COM) components.
8. COM+ System Application //Manages the configuration and tracking of Component Object Model (COM)+-based components.
9. Computer Browser //Maintains an updated list of computers on the network and supplies this list to computers designated as browsers.
10. Cryptographic Services //Provides three management services: Catalog Database Service, which confirms the signatures of Windows files; Protected Root Service, which adds and removes Trusted Root Certification Authority certificates from this computer; and Key Service, which helps enroll this computer for certificates.
11. DHCP Client //Manages network configuration by registering and updating IP addresses and DNS names.
12. Distributed Link Tracking Client //Maintains links between NTFS files within a computer or across computers in a network domain.
13. Distributed Transaction Coordinator //Coordinates transactions that span multiple resource managers, such as databases, message queues, and file systems.
14. DNS Client //Resolves and caches Domain Name System (DNS) names for this computer.
15. Error Reporting Service //Allows error reporting for services and applictions running in non-standard environments.
16. Event Log //Enables event log messages issued by Windows-based programs and components to be viewed in Event Viewer. T
17. Help and Support //Enables Help and Support Center to run on this computer.
18. Human Interface Device Access //Enables generic input access to Human Interface Devices (HID), which activates and maintains the use of predefined hot buttons on keyboards, remote controls, and other multimedia devices.
19. IMAPI CD-Burning COM Service //Manages CD recording using Image Mastering Applications Programming Interface (IMAPI). If this service is stopped, this computer will be unable to record CDs.
20. Indexing Service //Indexes contents and properties of files on local and remote computers; provides rapid access to files through flexible querying language.
21. Internet Connection Firewall (ICF) / Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) //Provides network address translation, addressing, name resolution and/or intrusion prevention services for a home or small office network.
22. IPSEC Services //Manages IP security policy and starts the ISAKMP/Oakley (IKE) and the IP security driver.
23. Logical Disk Manager //Detects and monitors new hard disk drives and sends disk volume information to Logical Disk Manager Administrative Service for configuration.
24. Logical Disk Manager Administrative Service //Configures hard disk drives and volumes.
25. MS Software Shadow Copy Provider //Manages software-based volume shadow copies taken by the Volume Shadow Copy service.
26.NetMeeting Remote Desktop Sharing //Enables an authorized user to access this computer remotely by using NetMeeting over a corporate intranet.
27.Network Connections // Manages objects in the Network and Dial-Up Connections folder,
28. Network DDE //Provides network transport and security for Dynamic Data Exchange (DDE) for programs running on the same computer or on different computers.
29. Network Location Awareness (NLA) //Collects and stores network configuration and location information, and notifies applications when this information changes.
30. Plug and Play //Enables a computer to recognize and adapt to hardware changes with little or no user input.
31.Portable Media Serial Number Service//Retrieves the serial number of any portable media player connected to this computer.
32.Print Spooler
33.Protected Storage //rovides protected storage for sensitive data, such as private keys, to prevent access by unauthorized services, processes, or users.
34.QoS RSVP //Provides network signaling and local traffic control setup functionality for QoS-aware programs and control applets.
35.Remote Access Auto Connection Manager //Creates a connection to a remote network whenever a program references a remote DNS or NetBIOS name or address.
36. Remote Desktop Help Session Manager //Manages and controls Remote Assistance.
37.Terminal Services //llows multiple users to be connected interactively to a machine as well as the display of desktops and applications to remote computers. The underpinning of Remote Desktop (including RD for Administrators), Fast User Switching, Remote Assistance, and Terminal Server.
38. Themes
39.Uninterruptible Power Supply //Manages an uninterruptible power supply (UPS) connected to the computer.
40. Volume Shadow Copy //Manages and implements Volume Shadow Copies used for backup and other purposes.
41. Windows Installer// Installs, repairs and removes software according to instructions contained in .MSI files.
42. Wireless Zero Configuration //Provides automatic configuration for the 802.11 adapters
43. Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) //Windows Image Acquisition (WIA)
44.WebClient //Enables Windows-based programs to create, access, and modify Internet-based files.
45. Workstation //Creates and maintains client network connections to remote servers.
46. Windows Time //Maintains date and time synchronization on all clients and servers in the network
47.Telnet //Enables a remote user to log on to this computer and run programs, and supports various TCP/IP Telnet clients, including UNIX-based and Windows-based computers.
48. Task Scheduler//Enables a user to configure and schedule automated tasks on this computer
49. System Restore Service //Performs system restore functions.
50. Simple TCP/IP Services //Supports the following TCP/IP services: Character Generator, Daytime, Discard, Echo, and Quote of the Day.
51. Server //Supports file, print, and named-pipe sharing over the network for this computer.
52.Security Accounts Manager //Stores security information for local user accounts.
53. Routing and Remote Access //Offers routing services to businesses in local area and wide area network environments.
54. SNIP, to many to list.
Please review "Control Panel" -> "Administrative Tools" -> "Services" for services listed and compared that to AmigaOS3.9 (one add may add TCP/IP stack, Envoy network suite, Executive, USB stack, AHI drivers, hot links, beefed up Datatypes suite, VMM, user profile scripts*** i.e. an attempt match some of the missing features)...
***My custom AOS script that makes use of AmigaOS’s Pref and Env-Archive: i.e. duplicating some of Window’s user profiles features (e.g. swaping mupliple copies of ENV with corresponding user name. user name also link to drive locking ).
Use the search feature to list down *.exe (programs) within the Windows and subdirectories.
Have a browses through WINE/WINEX's source code for some hints...
Check the following
C:\WINDOWS\Driver Cache\i386
C:\WINDOWS\Fonts
C:\WINDOWS\Help
C:\WINDOWS\inf (hidden) //Driver's inf files...e.g. 3DFX (PS; I don't even own 3DFX card)...
C:\WINDOWS\java
C:\WINDOWS\system32
C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers (drivers are stored here)
A cut down WinXP Pro/Home is called “Windows XP Embedded” i.e. single purpose Windows XP.
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But didn't Microsoft just introduce much similar system for Windows
Not quite. It uses Windows activation regime for non-corporate edition.
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seeing the answers to the initial questions, the result seems to be, that the preferred os is really an individual choice.
i can´t understand these os wars. peeps who want windows - let them use it. peeps who want anything - let them use it.
but : why the heck does everybody try to tell others that his os is the best ?! 8-)
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uncharted wrote:
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I had a Win3.11/OS2Warp dual boot machine shortly before Win95 became available, and to be honest Warp never got much use, as it was slow, clunky and had zero software for it. It was technically superiour, but lost out to the M$ marketing machine. Had NT's development gone differently we may all be using Warp now.
One thing I used os/2 for was playing DOS games.
OS/2s dos emulation was (and still is) much better than windows 95/98, NT4.0 or 2000 (can't say anyting about ME or XP but I guess it havn't got better).
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@Hammer: Whoa, what a list. Still, is a 1 gig installation really justified?
A lot of that bloat is drivers. There's a spartan copy of practically every driver available for the OS. I mean, why load the drivers you need when you can have them ALL? ;-)
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Hi Hammer,
I wonder what genius ever came up with this, and I couldn't imagine how a computer wouldn't work with out it. Okay, I'm sure it does something important, but how ever did the Amiga cope without it? :-D
C:\WINDOWS\system32>dir dv*.dat
Volume in drive C has no label.
Volume Serial Number is D82D-6E41
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\system32
07/15/2003 07:09 AM 24 DVCState-{00000000-00000000-0000000A-00001102-00000004-00511102}.dat
07/15/2003 07:09 AM 24 DVCStateBkp-{00000000-00000000-0000000A-00001102-00000004-00511102}.dat
2 File(s) 48 bytes
0 Dir(s) 838,479,872 bytes free
Two cleverly named essential xp files, 24 bytes in length each, which have longer filename lengths!!!!
AmigaOne! Please, please, please, please don't have a filname in AOS4.0 even goofier than this!
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@Atheist
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C:\WINDOWS\system32>dir dv*.dat
Volume in drive C is WinXPPro
Volume Serial Number is B01A-E609
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\system32
File Not Found
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;-)
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I was going to post on here singing Win2000's praises... only just tonight I was minding my own business when the machine reset and when it restarted NTOSKRNL.EXE was missing!! :-o Actually I suspect a trojan, I've been messing with a lot of freeware from strange places recently and I think I got stung :-(
Win2000 is the only Microsoft OS I've really been happy with for any length of time. Otherwise there's:
AmigaOS - i really wish a bulls**t-free OS like this will become popular once more
Mandrake Linux 9.1 - first distro I could really stand :-D
ZX-Basic ;-)
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Hello
Even the world best OS can crash because defective
or hardware problem or surge.
In PC, there is a watchdog card that monitor the
PC and OS. If the PC/OS crash / stopped suddenly,
the card send re-boot signal to power supply.
For Dead PC, there is a POS diagnostic card that
show the boot up status of the PC and can be
used to boot Dead PC.
Is there any similar card for AmigaOne?
Is this card compatible with Linux and AmigaOS 4?