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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: hamtronix on November 14, 2007, 09:53:31 PM
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so which classic community: Amiga, Atari,Mac (is there an IBM one??) is the most crazy in terms of hardware cost versus perceived value in your OPINION!?
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Maybe not in terms of cost/value but definitely the craziest folks are the C64 people - surfing the internet with an 8 bit machine is clearly insane! :lol:
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c64, hands down. People have been pushing that machine wayyyy past it's limits forever.
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The most lively action, at least here in Holland seems to be in the Commodore side, both 64 and Amiga. (specially looking at prices)
Looking at ebay trends it looks confirmed this is not a holland-only thing.
We have just seen an Amiga 4000T make 3000 euro (remember: 200 or so of these machines exist). About a year ago I've seen a CDTV II go for 2400 or so (6 machines).
Compare it to a very very rare prototype Atari 1450XLD sold recently, this made 3000 US$ (only 3 known to exist, IIRC)
Second could very well be the Falcon, they are also wanted.
Third might be Lynx (atari), I have seen some cracy prices on rare games.
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Amiga ofcourse,.. just look around you, your own stuff and the mess you got into your house today,.. thanks to McVenco and yours truly :-D :-D
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darule wrote:
Amiga ofcourse,.. just look around you, your own stuff and the mess you got into your house today,.. thanks to McVenco and yours truly :-D :-D
Boah, something like this:
(http://www.amiga4ever.nl/stuffed.jpg)
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OMG!!! ROFL!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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C64 people are not crazy. The entry costs for the C64 scene is very low, just the cost of a C64 and a 1541, and they grow on trees.
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Iggy_Drougge wrote:
C64 people are not crazy. The entry costs for the C64 scene is very low, just the cost of a C64 and a 1541, and they grow on trees.
Believe it or not, they are really rare here, thanks to the computer reserve law. I Just got mine, after 20 years :-D ...
I vote for MSX people ! They are surfing internet, doing accelerators, compatible machines, sound boards, etc...
I had to unsign the local MSX forum, because my mailbox was flooded with mail that I couldn't read. But it is still a cool machine.
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Iggy_Drougge wrote:
C64 people are not crazy. The entry costs for the C64 scene is very low, just the cost of a C64 and a 1541, and they grow on trees.
I personnally have a pile of C64s for sale as well as a stack of 1541 drives. I ask 15$ for a 64 and 12$ for a 1541.
The items that sell for insane prices are peripherals that push the 64 where it was not originally intended to go such as the CMD SuperCPU, a 20MHz 65816 based accelerator or the CMD HD.
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Anyone who is nostalgiac for old PCs and old Macs is definately crazy. Those things just sucked ten ways to Sunday.. I've had several (not-even-very-old) Mac and PC laptops that were painfully s-----l-----o-----w. On a flight out of New York once I turned on my little Mac and I think it was still loading extensions when we landed at Gadwick for gas. It was ready about the time we got to Istambul. :)
Classic computers are cool.. here's (http://q40.de/q60/miniq60.html) one I'd personally love to own.
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I'm a member of several "classic" computer communities, from old TRS-80s to more (ahem) contemporary stuff.
I can honestly say THEY'RE ALL CRAZY!!![/u]
Can't wait for the day when I buy my first Burroughs mainframe, or a Cray...
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I'm probably biased, but, I think the Amiga is toward the sane end of the scale. The OS is extremely flexible and adaptable, we have the Aminet resource, and there are still (relatively) many expansions and peripherals available. I can still happily use mine for nearly everything.
Some comparisons:
G3 with MacOS9: abandoned, browser choices much worse than Amiga.
Mac 68k w/OS7.5.5: there are resources and I still enjoy these.
Apple II: there are people and resources, but the OS is p-r-i-m-i-t-i-v-e.
X86 - pre-windows: I'm not aware of any devotion, I keep a couple for nostalgia.
Hp 80 series: cool on many levels, almost no current uses.
PCjr: some one may want it some day, grin.
Osborne 1: cool but little software.
Atari - 8bit: see Apple II, but fewer resources.
C128: like Atari & AII, but I have no excitement for it.
Timex/Sinclair ZX81: lol!
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I'm probably biased, but, I think the Amiga is toward the sane end of the scale. The OS is extremely flexible and adaptable, we have the Aminet resource, and there are still (relatively) many expansions and peripherals available. I can still happily use mine for nearly everything.
Some comparisons:
G3 with MacOS9: abandoned, browser choices much worse than Amiga. Not bad.
Mac 68k w/OS7.5.5: there are resources and I still enjoy these. Somewhat fast and usable.
Apple II: there are people and resources, but the OS is p-r-i-m-i-t-i-v-e.
X86 - pre-windows: I'm not aware of any devotion, I keep a couple for nostalgia. Oddly,still fun.
Hp 80 series: cool on many levels, almost no current uses.
PCjr: some one may want it some day, grin.
Osborne 1: cool but little software.
Atari - 8bit: see Apple II, but fewer resources.
C128: like Atari & A2, but I have no excitement for it.
Timex/Sinclair ZX81: lol!
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Anyone who is nostalgiac for old PCs and old Macs is definately crazy.
You need to get out more.
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@ B00tdisk:
I live in New York City. Whats more "out" than that?
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stopthegop wrote:
Classic computers are cool.. here's (http://q40.de/q60/miniq60.html) one I'd personally love to own.
WOW !!! QL compatible qith a 68060 !!!! This is really cool !
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@Tahoe
Dude........et those machines away from that Sun roof! they are all gonna get yellow........the progression will be slow, so you might not notice it overtime. And by gosh.........Sell some of those A500's! Share the wealth...............we need more Amigans..............not Amigans with more Amigas! :-)
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I think Amiga, still using the machines for all use (intenet,mp3,chat,etc etc)..
And those Amiga freaks that still belive in the "comeback" ;)
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leirbag28 wrote:
Dude........et those machines away from that Sun roof! they are all gonna get yellow........the progression will be slow, so you might not notice it overtime. And by gosh.........Sell some of those A500's! Share the wealth...............we need more Amigans..............not Amigans with more Amigas! :-)
Don't worry, the sun roof is closed (special darkening curtain), and those 500's (and everything in de middle of the floor) is going to McVenco and Darule. (they bought it, I keep it in storage temporarily)
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leirbag28 wrote:
we need more Amigans..............not Amigans with more Amigas!
This is all eBays fault :lol:
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Tahoe wrote:
leirbag28 wrote:
Dude........et those machines away from that Sun roof! they are all gonna get yellow........the progression will be slow, so you might not notice it overtime. And by gosh.........Sell some of those A500's! Share the wealth...............we need more Amigans..............not Amigans with more Amigas! :-)
Don't worry, the sun roof is closed (special darkening curtain), and those 500's (and everything in de middle of the floor) is going to McVenco and Darule. (they bought it, I keep it in storage temporarily)
And when I have picked up my part of the pile at Tahoe's (it's "only" a few A2000s and A500s, the rest is Tahoe's own collection :-) ), I will put a decent amount of TLC into my collection (making clean and working machines from all of them), and then sell a lot of it (I think I'll keep 4, 5 Amigas max.).
But I doubt that any of those miggies I'll be selling will go to new or returning Amigans. Most of them probably will go to someone else with quite a few Amigas.... :-)
But I agree with leirbag. I will have some 15 or 16 Amigas when I pick up the stuff at Tahoe. And that, indeed, is WAY too much for one single person :lol:
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I think the Amiga & RiscOS folks come in at a tie for craziest.
I just saw a CyberstormPPC on ebay go for almost $1000
Thats just f$%^&*& insane.
have you seen the prices of the RiscOS PC's? thats just about as wacky.
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what about amstrad folks ? They have an excellent kick ass OS which will put most 32 bit OS'es to shame ...
http://www.symbos.de/
also atari folks have some excellent hardware (060 + SDRAM + PCI expansion possibility). But what are they running on this ? does anyone know if they have a decent OS ? CSS compatible webbrowser ?
http://www.czuba-tech.com/CT60/english/overview.htm
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G3 with MacOS9: abandoned, browser choices much worse than Amiga.
Eh? Mozilla 1.3.1, Internet Explorer 5.5. Please tell me which Amiga browser is better than either of those.
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spihunter wrote:
I just saw a CyberstormPPC on ebay go for almost $1000
Thats just f$%^&*& insane.
Really? When items start selling for more than they cost new, then you are in a wacky phase. The CyberstormPPC 060 sold new for more than that. A measly $1000 - I paid that for my 68040 WarpEngine! :(
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So wheres the equivalent place to this (our own venerated AO i mean !) for ... say... the ZX scene(s) ?
and has someone done a SuperCPU equivalent for the Speccy ?
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What I understood the OP asked was which vintage platform was the most expensive not which type or users are craziest.
I would think the Amiga is the craziest cost but then again Atari ST a very very close call too. (with regards to their TT030, STE and Falcon machines)
Atari 8 bits and C=64/128 are CHEAP to get into. Maybe a C=65 or 128D will cost a few hundred or more, but for the most part are very inexpensive to get into.
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Agafaster wrote:
So wheres the equivalent place to this (our own venerated AO i mean !) for ... say... the ZX scene(s) ?
and has someone done a SuperCPU equivalent for the Speccy ?
This is very close : (I just love it, tons of files)
http://www.worldofspectrum.org/
I don't know about a Super CPU equivalent, but you can get a Sprinter. And there where loads of other Russian clones with tons of features. What about the SAM Coupé ? That was really nice.
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@ AmiGR
I suppose it's a matter of opinion. My G3 has IE 5.5 and Netscape (whatever the last compatible version was). Very often images won't dispay, sites stop loading and insist that I upgrade the browser. Both browsers seem to just give up at any provication. Maybe I need to learn to setup this software better.
On the otherhand, those same sites usually load very well in iBrowse 2.4. I probably don't frequent the most demanding sites (I use the net as an encyclopedia, not much for entertainment), but, except for those that rely heavily on the latest flash, I've never seen iBrowse just give up.
I think Amigans are lucky to have the browsers we do have.
How does Mozilla compare to IE and Netscape?
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WOW !!! QL compatible qith a 68060 !!!! This is really cool !
I thought so too. Its not vapor, either. These can still be bought. I emailed them about six months ago, got a reply the next day. IIRC a fully assembled Q80 was going for about 700 + shipping. I think there is a pretty respectable web browser for those as well (still being updated).
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@Tenacious
Tried icab (http://www.icab.de/)?
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iCab rocks!
A bit slow on my 68K and early PPC Powerbooks, but does the job admirably.
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Us Acorn users are a strange bunch. But I do so love my StrongARM RiscPC...
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Definitely the C64 guys... I mean, the demoscene has been around as long as it has... And I can see why! The impossible game was a spectacular use of the SID chip... MAKING THE D@MN THING TALK! "Stay a while. Stay FOREVER!"
Oh, and that stuff that they did, what with the internet and the tape deck and the not so much people having tools for windoze xp is bad though... Man I need a nap.
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without doubt, the absolutely insany most
now if I could just get a 2+ I'd be happy, with moonsound, gfx9k.. and ... and...
tho I think all the fans of old computers must have some kind of madness going on :)
:banana: :crazy: :banana:
weeeee!
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I haven't tried iCab, but I will. Now that I have high speed, I will look at DLing this and other apps that were too big before.