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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: redrumloa on November 08, 2007, 05:12:27 PM
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HERE (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9785337-7.html).
The road ahead looks dangerous for Vista and Microsoft must realize that. With Mac OS X hot on its tail, Vista is simply not capable of competing at an OS level with some of the best software around. If Microsoft continues down this path, it will be Vista that will bring the software giant to its knees--not Bill Gates' departure.
Of course, categorically dumping an operating system is quite difficult and with millions already using the OS, chances are Microsoft won't find a good enough reason to do it. And while I can understand that argument, there's no reason the company can't continue to support Vista and go back to the drawing board for its next OS. Even better, go back to XP--it's not nearly as bad as Vista.
As a daily user of Mac OS X, Ubuntu and Vista, I'm keenly aware of what works and what doesn't. Mac and Linux work.
The time is up. Microsoft must abandon Vista and move on. It's the company's only chance at redemption.
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As a daily user of Mac OS X, Ubuntu and Vista, I'm keenly aware of what works and what doesn't. Mac and Linux work.
This is not true. Vista works. The software does not work with Vista ;-)
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Well, I'm not too impressed with Vista either. I bought a desktop for my som so that she could play Diablo 2 with his sister over the network only to find that the software is broken on Vista. If that wasn't bad enough, my son then wated to install another game on his machine only to get a "does not work with Vista" message. Fortunately for me, I had an older and similar version of the same tower and managed to get it to take my OEM WindowsXP disk with no validation problems (However, Vista did it's best to refuse to allow XP to be installed and I finally used an only Win98 CD to give me access to DOS in order to format Vista's lame ass out of existance!).
Today I took delivery of a Gateway laptop. After strating it up and going through the usual mall-ware setup crap and never ending "click to accept" screens I was told that my Windows Vista Premium code was not valid and to reenter it. I renentered the code off the sticker and went online to validate only to be told that it was not a genuine Vista installation. One of the options online support - that failed. Then I tried the telephoen support and spent 10 minutes with an automated service to get a confirmation number which didn't work. Then I got live tech support from Microsoft (some Indian chap... from India!) who asked me all sorts of questions about my ownership of the machine before finally giving me a endless stream of numbers to typing in. Afetr rebooting I got a message saying it wasn't genuine and some features would be disabled. I tried to vaidate it online and was told that it was an invalid copy and I should contact Microsoft. I rebooted again to find the "non genuine" message, revalidated online and this time I was told everything was OK. Rebooted one more time and everything was rosy!!!
Sheesh, I'm not looking forward to doing a reinstallion on this machine!
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Darrin Wrote:
Sheesh, I'm not looking forward to doing a reinstallion on this machine!
Reinstallation will be fine just as long as you are (re)installing it with a version of Linux :-D
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I use vista everyday. I play games and do graphic/DTP. No major problems so far...
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It doesn't matter how big the next Microsoft OS is, or how many pointless search fields they put into the GUI. It won't matter how many BluRay/HD-DVD discs it needs or how many security flaws it has. The majority of people using MS products are indifferent or clueless about any alternatives, and will continue to go with the herd.
Microsoft won the war years ago. There future rule is secured. It sucks, but that's the way it is.
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AndrewBell wrote:
The majority of people using MS products are indifferent or clueless about any alternatives, and will continue to go with the herd.
Never subestimate gamers, there will be no home pc market without them. Maybe they will not install Linux, but I am sure there was a perturbation in the force, as if millions of vista installations suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced with XP. :-D
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the only way Microsoft will ever lose the OS war at this point is if they fail to dominate a major technology change in computing.
For example, If something new comes along that they fail to see as important
Examples: The internet & internet searching, smart phones,
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If only Commodore would've survived.... if only...
The laptop from my missus has Vista on it, she loves it. But only because of the new GUI and the new graphical features of solitaire.. *sigh*
I had it installed on my PC for about 24 hours. I do not appreciate constant hard disk grinding, numerous popups telling me what not do. I've tested MacOSX for a while and compared to Windows it's way better and I'm not talking about games which obviously don't work on a Mac.
Yes I use XP and that's only because I put myself inside this stupid circle. For me the time has come to say goodbye to the PC and welcome Mac. Perhaps a small partition for XP as the new Macs are Intel based. Which is a shame by itself by the way. :-D
An operating system should be as basic as possible, it's there to serve the programs, not the other way around. Commodore and Apple knew that, back then.
A bloated head isn't good for your health, a bloated operating system isn't good for your computer (performance).
I'll stop now. :madashell: :-D :-D
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spihunter wrote:
the only way Microsoft will ever lose the OS war at this point is if they fail to dominate a major technology change in computing.
For example, If something new comes along that they fail to see as important
Examples: The internet & internet searching, smart phones,
Microsoft are the masters of failing to see the importance of new technologies. Bill Gates failed to realise the value of the internet, thinking CD-ROM would be the ultimate software distribution method for decades.
They missed the digital media player market, their Zune will never be as popular as the iPod.
They missed the search engine/social networking opportunities of recent years.
Microsoft are so big they can afford to make mistakes that would leave lesser companies bankrupt. They have gone from competing in the DOS market to dominating the OS, application and gaming markets. The only mistake they need to worry about is Bill losing his ATM card.
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I have a newer PC
pent 4 3 ghz
2 gig ram etc,
kubuntu for my main os. windows 2k for the few times I need windows
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AndrewBell wrote:
It doesn't matter how big the next Microsoft OS is, or how many pointless search fields they put into the GUI. It won't matter how many BluRay/HD-DVD discs it needs or how many security flaws it has. The majority of people using MS products are indifferent or clueless about any alternatives, and will continue to go with the herd.
Microsoft won the war years ago. There future rule is secured. It sucks, but that's the way it is.
I disagree. Apple are penetrating the computer market more and more. Very often people see me working on my MacBook and make a comment like "oh that's one of those Macs isn't it. They're supposed to be better than a PC* aren't they? They don't crash as much or get viruses".
*By PC, of course, they mean a PC running Windows.
So people are already aware that there is an alternative. Unfortunately most people don't realise that it is a *viable* alternative, since their comments are usually followed by "But I need XP for Word" or "Can I use the Internet on that?" or "I need a computer I can read my email on".
What Apple *must* do if they really want to shift people over from the Windows camp, is to capitalise on the features that Macs *share* with Windows, to prove to people that they can make the transition relatively easily, and then advertise the advantages that Mac OS X has over Windows. If they do that, I believe they can gain a much more significant share of the market, and maybe even push MS out.
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Vista is a taste of MicroSoft's future plans and things certainly won't get better come the next incarnation of Windows, I can assure you. Inch-by-inch, they're going to dupe the sheep into accepting their trusted "Trusted Computing" philosophy, which basically means everything you do on YOUR computer within YOUR OWN home will be monitored and pretty much every action you make recorded and transmitted back to "HQ"...in one form or another. But ofcourse, all this intrusion into activity on your system is for your own security, to protect you from viruses and evil paedophiles.
Why is Vista slow compared to XP? Because of all the behind the scenes snooping going on. Try inserting a BlueRay disk and running certain video recording apps at the same time. You'll be told that you're "not allowed".
Things are going to get worse as far as "Intrusive Computing" is concerned and when they finally dupe the public into beleiving we need Internet2, this intrusion of our day to day computing life will only be compounded. Welcome to the wonderful world of Big Brother!
This sums the future of computing up nicely (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuI6SLFnGbQ)
Might aswell watch this while you're at it ;) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJTLL1UjvfU)
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I was surprised to read this article on news.com.
Vista's ridiculous version schemes, hardware overhead and DRM turned me off too. Never took another look at it.
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Whats wrong with you people retarded? Why always look down on windows not that the mac os is so problem free either its just that everyone used to be an amiga user now is a mac fanboy . I use both or even all 3 and have no problem getting my older software "games" too run in vista you only have to try . Think of it simmilair to ajusting stack in amiga software it does not always work from scratch. Win vista has some major improvements as i can see in it may seem "bloated ofcource" but not meant for a 50mhz motorola.
The thing is some belive their PIII to last forever..Aint gonna happen and as for mac os i prefere windows at leased the mainstream apps and games are made for it..
As Vista loosing foot for OSX i rather see ubuntu please at leased it is free fun and limited source..
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I did try Vista... for like 3 days... then decided to buy a Macbook Pro and upgrade to Leopard...
Arrived last week - played around quite a bit and installed things like neoOffice, netbeans, etc... today installed Basilisk with Mac OS 8 :p
Tomorrow will look into installing AUE :-)
Not looking back at windows at all.
@adoney: I tried Vista on my Core 2 Duo 6600 with 2gb of mem.... not on any old machine...
nuff said
Tom UK
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adonay wrote:
Whats wrong with you people retarded? Why always look down on windows not that the mac os is so problem free either its just that everyone used to be an amiga user now is a mac fanboy
that's very presumptuous. as far as I'm concerned, MacOS and Apple are on the same rack as MicroSoft and Vista. They both have plans to invade our personal computers and dictate what we can and can't do on our systems. MacOS is also infested with DRM (aka: SpyWare)
I take offense against any coporate entity that attempts to invade my personal space and I consider my personal computer PERSONAL. No one has the right to tell me what I can and can't do with it. No one has the right to "track" my actions, it's absurd.
Btw, I actually LIKE XP. It's a relatively unintrusive and solid OS that gives no problems. Vista however is the begining of something I do not wish to see in an OS.
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motorollin wrote:
What Apple *must* do if they really want to shift people over from the Windows camp, is to capitalise on the features that Macs *share* with Windows, to prove to people that they can make the transition relatively easily, and then advertise the advantages that Mac OS X has over Windows. If they do that, I believe they can gain a much more significant share of the market, and maybe even push MS out.
Why cheer on Apple? They are as bad as MS, look how they have used the DRM of iTunes and the iPod to keep customers locked into their brand.
The main difference between the two is that Apple are mainly hardware providers and MS are mainly software providers. Apple also provide some software, and MS also do some hardware. It's also widely documented that Steve Jobs is just as big a cnut as Gates.
As for the OS, OSX isn't my idea of perfection, it's just Unix with a nice frontend. At least with Vista, you can choose a cheap low end laptop to run it on. OSX needs Apple hardware, unless you resort to hacks. Ubuntu/Linux/GNU/any other distro lacks continuity and standardisation. Given that those are the only choices for the forseeable future, then the future is very bleak.
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adonay wrote:
Whats wrong with you people retarded?
Have you ever heard the joke about the guy that hears on his car radio the voice of the news guy on the helicopter "I cannot believe my eyes, there is a moron driving on the wrong side of main street" and the guy says "what do you mean one? there are lots of them!!!".
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Around here, Vista sells for about 20 bucks less than XP. That must say something. ;-) Personally, I'm waiting for REACTOS to hit the beta 0.5 level.
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I'm not interested in the politics of which is worse out of Apple or MS. I'm interested in how well my computer works. And my computer works better with OSX than any computer I have ever had with Windows. The DRM of iTunes/iPod is not an issue for me, since I buy all of my music on CDs. Also, Apple have already recognised that DRM is undesirable, which is why they are offering DRM-free downloads from the iTunes store. The fact that certain music companies won't allow Apple to do this with their music says more about the music industry than Apple.
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I use Vista Enterprise and have no real complaints except that the screen saver has issues and locks up when you have an Anti Virus program running. Other than that no probs. I havent used the latest OSX but do have 10.4 on my Imac and I cant really say it is any better, and actually like Vista better than it. Ubuntu is ok If we are talking Linux I would say SUSE or Mandrake are better. Cheers
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I had Vista on a dell laptop I bought. Stayed on there for a few months until I got fed up of stuff that should fly on it running loke a dog.
Put XP on there instead as still had a dell XP disk from my last laptop. It was like habing a new super duper laptop
Runs like a dream.
Forgot tyrying to run Vista with anything less than 2GB of ram.
Saying that I had Vista on my Dual Core AMD 4200+ with 2GB of ram and it crawled on there too.
XP in my opinion is the best OS they have made, yes even better then Win2K.
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No one has the right to tell me what I can and can't do with it. No one has the right to "track" my actions, it's absurd.
Can't say I agree with this. As with anything else, there's no such thing as 100% unregulated freedom. Corporate entities (the ones who make your computer a reality) are naturally going to protect their interests. (The extent of which will no doubt be a topic of debate.)
In regard to the rest of the thread, I offer my predictions:
MS will not "drop" Vista
Apple will not "push" MS out of the market anytime soon, Macs may do "email and internet" just like MS, but at 2x the $$$ and 2x less the software library
MS will remain the standard for many years to come
And a few general opinions/observations:
This same topic came up re Win98 vs NT, and it's just as ridiculous now as it was then
XP is suddenly "fantastic" on the forum, when it's usually derided as the biggest piece of crap ever???
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-D- wrote:
XP is suddenly "fantastic" on the forum, when it's usually derided as the biggest piece of crap ever???
It is the same thing as oil prices. Back when they were at $60 per barrel it was "biggest piece of crap ever", but when it gets up to $100 per barrel, then $60 seems "fantastic"
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A friend of mine bought a new computer about two months ago. It had vista on it, and gee wizz, it sure wasnt as user-friendly as either of us had hoped.
For starters, he was going to copy all his files from his old computer he wanted to keep to his new computer via a router. Even though the router had DHCP activated and Vista aquired the IP number, he still had to call me and spend about 45 minutes on the phone before we had figured out how to work it.
After that, he installed his favourite game, Battlefield 2. The installation went fine, but when he started the game it displayed the EA logo and then immediatly exited to windows again. No error message or anything.
When I went over to see if I could help him I found Vista to be very hard to understand at times. Often messages like "An unexpected event is about to take place which requires your attention. Would you like more information?" (or something to that effect, don´t remember the exact words) appeared leaving us both confused.
In the end, after having no luck in getting BF2 to run, and a bunch of other problems, he wiped vista and installed XP.
I´m staying far away from vista as long as I can, and have even started thinking about getting a Mac. :)
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little wrote:
It is the same thing as oil prices. Back when they were at $60 per barrel it was "biggest piece of crap ever", but when it gets up to $100 per barrel, then $60 seems "fantastic"
oh come on now, as with anything else, there's no such thing as reasonably priced oil. Even if it is the foundation of our civilization and everyone's day-to-day living depends on it. Corporate entities are naturally going to exploit our dependence on it, create artificial scarcity in supply and hike-up the cost of oil - if they think they can get away with it (which apparently they can). Can't blame them for protecting their interests, even if it is at our expense.:roll:
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Not that I like Vista or even glad that Microsoft exists, but I just haven't had any of the major problems that others have had with it. As for DRM, no problem with it at all. I am still able to rip my CDs, DVDs and HD DVDs to my hard drive and play them perfectly fine from there. I have had some issues with older software not working properly with it or older hardware not working with it, but that is somewhat understandable (out with the old in with the new). Been using it on the office computer since February and at home since June for the desktop and August with the laptop. Now of course these were prebuilt systems which I had to remove all of the garbage they put on them (other than Vista guys) and put on my perferred antivirus and such on. They run fairly smoothly.
And yes, I built 2 custom systems for my boss's kids that they wanted Vista on and everything works great there too.
Yeah, I don't like the "spying" issue, but that's a part of life now and in the future. Random listening in on phone calls. GPS on cell phones, ONSTAR/LOJACK for vehicle tracking. Stores recording your purchase history when using checks, credit cards, debit cards, etc. Cameras througout the cities. And many many more ways that they are already keeping an eye on you.
As long as your are not doing anything illegal, you don't have much to worry about. Now you may argue privacy and identity theft can be at a risk with this, it can, but it is already at a risk anyway if your information is recorded anywhere (work, bank, doctors, etc).
Biggest thing to protect yourself is be aware of your surroundings, don't click on those messages claiming you just won a big screen tvs or such. Don't click on links in emails requesting account updates, go directly the the site manually and check.
Not sure why I said all of that, but anyway....
DOWN WITH VISTA!! :lol:
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I still use Win 98 ! It supplies all my needs in the PC world, with very few exceptions.For software that doesn't work with it, I can always use the Linux version.
Win 98 is really fast with my Semprom. XP would be just acceptable. Besides this, it is way smaller...
I'm really impressed with Leopard. I would love to have a new Mac, but those machines are really expensive here, and there is no reason for that. I can't understand why Apple doesn't sells OS X to PC's. Macs are just ordinary PCs now!
They would probably make more money doing that, as many people still have problems using Linux. Mac OS is really simple to use, and there is no way to get rid of the shell in Linux (althrough I know some guys that love it :-? )
I'll wait for Aros. They are doing a great job with that. :-D
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As long as your are not doing anything illegal, you don't have much to worry about.
I hate that saying.. It somehow "justifies" that the government/Microsoft/whoever, can look inte everyones personal lives whichever way they please.
Picture a random city in a random country, and it is sometime in the future. A family is sitting down to watch an episode of the 65th season of "The Simpsons" on their HV (HoloVision). A camera mounted in the ceiling slowly pans around, recording everything.
Suddenly, there is a knock on the door. The man in the family opens it. A man claiming to be a police oficer asks if he can rummage through the familys drawers and closets.
The man of the family answers:
-"Sure, go right ahead. I have nothing to hide, and I don´t mind you folks looking inte every little detail of our life every day. I sure do appreciate your hard work to keep our country safe from terrorists."
Would YOU let someone search your closets and drawers under the pretext of freedom and security with a smile on your face?
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ShawnDude wrote:
Yeah, I don't like the "spying" issue, but that's a part of life now and in the future ... As long as your are not doing anything illegal, you don't have much to worry about.
"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"
- Benjamin Franklin
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"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"
- Benjamin Franklin
little: I find it scarey. Give these people a shovel and they'll dig their own graves. Not only that but they do it with a smile.
God save what little there is left of the Constitution and the human rights people the world over have fought for
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AndrewBell wrote:
It doesn't matter how big the next Microsoft OS is, or how many pointless search fields they put into the GUI. It won't matter how many BluRay/HD-DVD discs it needs or how many security flaws it has. The majority of people using MS products are indifferent or clueless about any alternatives, and will continue to go with the herd.
Microsoft won the war years ago. There future rule is secured. It sucks, but that's the way it is.
Exactly my opinion :-(
But I'm still hopeing that people will find out that "windoze" is a virus and remove it
Amiga should rule the world :-D
...and pc users should stick to linux/ubunto. Still trying to convince myself to remove my XP :roll:
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@Adonay,
Sorry, mate, but I've been asked to work on too many brand new Vista machines that take several HOURS to complete the initial setup.
I got a second hard drive for my laptop to load Vista on to try it out. I played with the release candidates, and I've played with the final release.
Windows Vista is the desktop equivalent to the phone tree. You know where you want to go, you know it's there, but you are forced into the stupidity pipes to get to a simple feature. Too bad there's no "0" in this phone tree.
I hate supporting Vista because the advanced functionality is in non-intuitive places. Networking, for instance, has combined functionality that just doesn't seem to make any sense.
I support Vista because I have to. Clients whose sites I do not control are buying machines with Vista and (begrudgingly) making do because "That's where it's all going." (Direct quote from a customer.)
I'm sorry. Microsoft has screwed up with this one. Windows 3.x to 95 was a major leap forward, but it seemed more evolutionary (not perfect, mind you, but a lot better.) Vista is a leap backwards.
I submit that new Windows users and non-Power Users will find Vista quite amiable. But anyone I know who does tech work or works more efficiently by exploiting the more advanced methods allowed up to Windows XP cannot stand Vista. It really does force you into its own methodology, which is certainly not efficiency of operation.
There are some amazing tweaks under the hood of Vista, some very impressive technology. But it's all undone by the overall bloat of a poorly designed and implemented user interface.
Vista has made it readily apparent to me that I need to get out of the mainstream IT field. I need to get out before Vista takes hold so I don't lose IQ points. So, I'm trying desperately to move into cybersecurity or to manage Windows 2003 and 2008 servers and Solaris machines.
Between Vista, draconian licensing schemes, and deliberate product crippling, Microsoft is pushing me out.
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@arkanoid
corporations are just playing by the rules, think of it as a game of monopoly. The problem is when we allow them to change the rules at the middle of the game, balance goes thru the window and you end having nowhere to run.
The situation is beyond scary, but last time I walked down this path I was kicked from a messageboard because people "... can't handle the truth".
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little wrote:
ShawnDude wrote:
Yeah, I don't like the "spying" issue, but that's a part of life now and in the future ... As long as your are not doing anything illegal, you don't have much to worry about.
"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"
- Benjamin Franklin
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
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i have abandoned vista a long time ago, my last mircosoft product i am ever gonna buy is winxp and it allerady run on my x86 laptop and that way it is gonna stay, period!.....
F U C K vista & mircosoft!!! :-x
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Heya Arkanoid, those youtube videos are awesome.
I really dislike the idea of having my choices removed by somebody else. I really do want to decide what is best for me.
I am also repulsed by the concept of being watched, spied on, even if it is for my own safety. Again I prefer to think that other methods might ensure the well being of myself and others.
People should not be so willing to accept the loss of privacy.
my $0.02
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AndrewBell wrote:
It doesn't matter how big the next Microsoft OS is, or how many pointless search fields they put into the GUI. It won't matter how many BluRay/HD-DVD discs it needs or how many security flaws it has. The majority of people using MS products are indifferent or clueless about any alternatives, and will continue to go with the herd.
Microsoft won the war years ago. There future rule is secured. It sucks, but that's the way it is.
A bit defeatist there Andrew.
Anything can happen in the computer industry.
Commodore 64 was and still is recorded as the biggest selling computer of all time. I bet in its 80s heyday before the catalogue of PC and Amiga blunders no one could see Commodore going bust.
It is perfectly possible given its share of major blunders Microsoft could be dead within 10 years.
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i have to agree that Ms screwed up big time with Vista. I cant even count how many people I see every day asking me how to fix this or that with the new computer they just bought with Vista on it. I tell all of them to take it back and get a Mac, when they tell me they need a computer for Word and internet, i show them my mac and how they can do it all, when they ask me about running a game that is only windows I reboot into bootcamp and show them windows on it.
Leopard is by far the most advanced OS to date, it makes Vista look like Windows 95.
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thanos wrote:
I am also repulsed by the concept of being watched, spied on, even if it is for my own safety. Again I prefer to think that other methods might ensure the well being of myself and others.
People should not be so willing to accept the loss of privacy.
Going OT for a moment:
How is a government or security agency supposed to stop the bad guys without intruding in the privacy of the masses? Accept the fact that your emails and cell phone calls are monitored, and be careful about your communication. Wish that GW was dead? Fine, just don't email it to relatives in the middle east.
I'd prefer to lose a little privacy, than lose my life to a suicide bomber.
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AndrewBell wrote:
How is a government or security agency supposed to stop the bad guys without intruding in the privacy of the masses?
Geee, how about this, by doing their work! The bad guys(TM) were not born yesterday, even the so called brand new type that are labeled "terrorists" have been roaming this earth since before anyone in this messageboard was even born. So we have some mediocre people at the head of law enforcement "Gee, how do I cover up for my lack of wits and at the same time continue with my agenda?" then said Karl "Easy, ask for superpowers, like x-ray vision, superhearing, etc. they will buy it in no time". The rest is history.
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little wrote:
Geee, how about this, by doing their work! The bad guys(TM) were not born yesterday, even the so called brand new type that are labeled "terrorists" have been roaming this earth since before anyone in this messageboard was even born.
You're right, insurgents and terrorist have been around a very long time. And security agencies have been intercepting communications, eavesdropping, using informers and making people disappear since Moses was a boy. Now they use computers, because everyone else is using computers.
So we have some mediocre people at the head of law enforcement "Gee, how do I cover up for my lack of wits and at the same time continue with my agenda?" then said Karl "Easy, ask for superpowers, like x-ray vision, superhearing, etc. they will buy it in no time". The rest is history.
And security agencies have been making mistakes since Moses was a boy too. Again it's nothing new.
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Hi,
I'll second that!
Microsoft should just abandon VISTA, installed VISTA 5 times on my computer, VISTA crashed 3 times, installed VISTA on two seperate computers, my old AMD 3700+ and my new duel core E6300. After installing vista on my old 3700+ had to reactivate because of installing more memory and a new hard drive (for UBUNTU LINUX). Then had to reactivate a 3rd time when I bought a new Gateway E6300 computer, then I had to reactivate a fourth time when I bought another GIG of memory, then had to reactivate a fifth time when I bought a 500 gig hard drive. Will probably have to reactivate a sixth time after installing on my new Q6600 quad core computer after it arrives at the house. It seems with vista the story is reactivate. OK I am a computer nut (why else would I own 5 Amigas), but at least with the Amiga OS, I could install it on all my Amigas and when I changed something I didn't have to call some one in India to reactivate the OS. VISTA R O T S.
OK why do I stay with Microsucks, because I like playing games, and what other computer OS has games made for it today?
Apple computers, come on the newest latest games arent made for them.
Linux - if it wasn't for Cedega, I would be stuck with solitare, and Penny the Penguin games.
UNIX - yeah right.
AS a matter of fact can you name a software company that makes games for any OS today besides, MICROSLUT.
Can you name any printing company that makes drivers for any other company besides MICROSLUT.
The computer industry is tuned to MICROSLUT.
Evan if a new computer and OS did come out for the Amiga, we would have no software developed for it, so we could all sit in front of our new Amigas and go WOW isn't this OS great, this is the OS of the future and the only thing this new computer will run.
MICROSLUT has not only taken over computing, but they were sure that if anybody came out with a new OS it sure would be dammmmn hard to get a foot hold.
smerf
Amiga Forever (at least I can play the old games)
UBUNTU my main OS (being tested for taking over important data)
Windows XP (games only)
Vista (waiting for new X10 games)
Amiga OS and A4000 040 used for all my important data (hasn't crashed since 1992)
Amiga 3000 Just sits there looking pretty.
Amiga 1200 with 603E, my main Amiga game machine.
CD32 Plays great old CD games.
Why are all my Winblows systems used for games only?
because I wouldn't trust MS with anything important.
MAC OS Leopard - looking sweet, may be my next OS, if they bring out some new games for it like far cry or crysis.
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Well, I use WinCrap just because I'm an Engineer, and all engineering stuff runs on windows (good stuff: most of then will not ask for something bigger than Win98 )
Unix is really cool, but too complicated. Mac is awesome, but lacks software (still my main choice).
If the main reason for using WinCrap is running games, you have 3 nice alternatives:
- Wii
- Playstation 3 (well, PS2 still a good buy)
- X Box (It's better than Windows..)
If any flavour of Amiga OS get to see the light of the day as a commercial alternative, I will not think twice to change to it, because I think an OS should be fast, small and reliable and easy to use to run my software. Let Windows run in virtual machines to supply my needs for specific software.
I've used virtual PC in my Mac before it went dead, and it was good to run MPLab...
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AndrewBell wrote:
You're right, insurgents and terrorist have been around a very long time. And security agencies have been intercepting communications, eavesdropping, using informers and making people disappear since Moses was a boy. Now they use computers, because everyone else is using computers.
Imagine that in 1931 a zeppelin filled with hydrogen and loaded with dynamite hits the empire states building. Would that merit that the goverment taps without any control all telephone lines, telegraphs, teletypes and has a register of all short wave radio radio in the nation? It does not make sense, they would not need to go to such extremes to twart any organization capable of such feat. So, in short, the use by criminals of the new technological advances does not mean the goverment needs to have absolute control over such communication means to twart criminal organizations. BTW, in the times of Moses there were no democracies, so goverment controling every aspect of civilian life was common.
And security agencies have been making mistakes since Moses was a boy too. Again it's nothing new.
Yet even in the time of Moses when somebodies ineptitude creates a tragedy, they are fired (or even executed) and substituted by people capable of doing the job that no doubt correct the mistakes done by his predecesor. Yet here not only the same people are in charge and the mistakes that caused the tragedy are not addressed, they are given extraordinary powers. That is nothing new I know, but I expected better from nation of the first world.
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Why should anybody accept invasion of privacy?
I personally don't wish anyone was dead.
I admit I don't have any of the right answers, but I am sure that taking away the rights of others isn't reasonable.
@ AndrewBell
"I'd prefer to lose a little privacy, than lose my life to a suicide bomber."
I hope that my home can remain free of violence of that nature. I believe it is possible because my country has a less aggressive foreign policy than some other nations.
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As we're really getting off-topic, I do have one thing to say about surveillance in the "post-9/11" world:
ANY time a terrorist plot has been uncovered and a press release made attributing the discovery to PATRIOT or similar ilk, said press release was later retracted and good old-fashioned police work instead given credit.
In other words, the enhanced eavesdropping and surveillance and communications interception put into place since 9/11 has garnered nothing but less control of our privacy.
You know, lesser things have lead to revolutions.
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With Mac OS X hot on its tail
I like eating tail mix. ;-)
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@darule
An operating system should be as basic as possible, it's there to serve the programs, not the other way around. Commodore and Apple knew that, back then
I'm wondering if you can really say that about any company "back then", since there wasn't much room to wiggle as far as bells and whistles were concerned. These days, computers have to wow you with screwy flashing lights to click because of the commodity nature of what computers have become. And, the technology is right there to feed the beast. They want you to buy theirs. Even if theirs sucks, if it looks cool, people will buy it over the lame looking one with the logical and efficient design philosophy.
Did you know there is a cereal called "Barbie as the Island Princess"? Yes, really. I saw it at the store a few days ago. I don't know what kind of cereal it is, but boy that pink box is gonna sell millions because it's Barbie. Kids ain't picking a cereal, they're picking Barbie. Just let's see if the parents will actually demand that their little girls eat the cereal even if it tastes gross. ;-)
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M$ abandon Vista? You guys are on crack! I think you've been using AmigaOS so long, you forget the sheer brute force of a virtual monopoly - which M$ has.
Last I looked, Apple have a <7% share of the OS market, which is just short of inconsequential. Vista already tops that with 7.91%. Linux doesnt even make it into whole numbers.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2
Where are the gamers going to go? Mac? Linux? Great, if you like 2D flash style games...
Consoles? Courtesy of Sony and their botched PS3 launch, M$ have tripled their share in that market in the last 18 months, almost by accident.
Vista, Xbox and M$ are here to stay, get over it.
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Last I looked, Apple have a <7% share of the OS market, which is just short of inconsequential. Vista already tops that with 7.91%. Linux doesnt even make it into whole numbers.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2
Of course, these numbers are meaningless. They measure OS based on net access to a few specific sites; many computers don't access those sites. It's like saying that OS <...> has an install base of many millions, only to find out the parent company cleverly confuses 'installed OS' with 'sold license'. For regular users, Windows is the biggest, true. Apple comes in second very far behind, also true.
Where are the gamers going to go? Mac? Linux? Great, if you like 2D flash style games...
Be serious here. Gamers make up a very tiny fragment of the regular users, and then I'm being very generous on what exactly constitutes a 'regular' user. Gamers spend thousands of dollars just to get benchmarks up to meaningless heights, and are prepared to kill more readily in defense of their 'favourite' brand of video card or CPU than Ballmer wishes to kill Google. A genuine 'regular' user just about knows that there is such a thing as a connector for the monitor, and expects the system to work the way he thinks it ought to work.
In addition, you can play 3D stuff equally well on Linux or the Mac, there's no inherent limitation as to why these OS'es would not be suitable for serious gaming. Ageing UT2003 runs perfectly fine on the Linux side of my setup. Doom 3 was released for Linux too, and works just fine. The only reason why these systems aren't used more is because 'the industry' has little experience with OpenGL coding, and that marketing forces (read 'eye candy sells') more or less lock them in with DirectX. If you're a normal user who doesn't get a hard-on for super benchmarks, then there are most certainly very viable alternatives available.
Consoles? Courtesy of Sony and their botched PS3 launch, M$ have tripled their share in that market in the last 18 months, almost by accident.
Funny, that. I heard that Nintendo's Wii is giving both these systems a major headache thanks to its innovative controls which offer a MAJOR break from the standard thumb-twitching joypad. My sweetheart---who is a total computer illiterate---actually remembers the Wii because of this, and won't even think about the graphically superior PS3 or Xbox360.
Vista, Xbox and M$ are here to stay, get over it.
Perhaps.
Anyway, one thing has not been said in this discussion, and most certainly not in the article redrumloa referenced. The problem is not Microsoft. (Not completely, anyway.) The problem is that the majority of the users cannot or will not take the time to operate a computer properly. In other words, taking a few days to learn about system internals, what actually goes on in that thing, what the major threats are, and how to guard against these. To these people, a computer is like any other electrical appliance: turn it on, do with it what you want, turn it off, on to the next job at hand. Microsoft is the only company in the world which faces the horrible problem of dumbing down one of the most complex machines made by man to a sufficient degree that Joe User's grandma's old rickety neighbour can use it, too. That is why the computer has such remarkably 'silly' access controls, presents such opaque error messages, and sacrifices tons of performance for its Protected Video Path. We are not the targetted audience of Microsoft: we belong to that quantum sliver of humanity which doesn't faze at hearing the words USB, stack, protocol, error, driver, update and solved in the same sentence.
Try to install Linux: once set up it is rock steady, and offers a very usable GUI which may look a little different from Windows, but operates along many of the same principles. (I'd trust my parents with such a setup, and might even try it on them just for research purposes.) Now try to install a new program. 'Download here!' the button says. Oi, why won't the program install? 'Well ma'am, you downloaded the Windows version; you should have obtained our RPM package at this URL instead.' RPM? 'Yes ma'am. RPM. A program to install your programs.' So you mean I can't just double click? 'Yes ma'am.' SON! GET YOUR A** OVER HERE AND INSTALL WINDOWS AGAIN!
Unfortunately, I never used an Apple, so I cannot comment on its userfriendliness for Joe User's grandma's rickety neighbour. But I do hope I made it clear that this very important factor is completely missing from the original article.
For the record, I think Microsoft botched things, because it is impossible to dumb down the machine to a degree where it just Does What The User Wants, and guard him against shooting himself in the foot again and again. It cannot be done, and in the process the company delivered a piece of software which doesn't really work well for anybody. I think it would have been wiser had they created a solid, stable and secure core (and they can certainly do that, if not by themselves then by simply buying a little company which does kernel development), locked it down rigorously, and sold it that way. People still might bypass the security mechanisms for convenience, but at least Joe User can then rather painlessly handle the task of educating the sweet neighbour on the importance of NOT doing that, and resetting the system to its secure state again. Unfortunately, for fear of breaking countless of applications still assuming they'd be run as root, Microsoft decided to 'wean' users to a stronger security model by inserting code which does very little now, but will be much less forgiving in the future. In addition, 3rd party software producers demanding full privileged access to the kernel 'because their software cannot work properly otherwise' is not helping either.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. With hindsight, I think a clean break might have been hard on the company now, but FAR less so in the future. But try explaining that to a bunch of ties and brief cases and MBAs.
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Last I looked, Apple have a <7% share of the OS market, which is just short of inconsequential. Vista already tops that with 7.91%. Linux doesnt even make it into whole numbers.
Actually, it depends how you break down the numbers. Last I heard it was just over 8% overall, but that includes home and office. There are some estimates out there which has Mac well over 30% of the home market, in the USA.
One thing you may not know is Apple is gaining market share, while M$ is actually losing market share. There is a very real chance M$ can be toppled.
Where are the gamers going to go? Mac? Linux? Great, if you like 2D flash style games...
I think you are a little behind the curve. The library of games for Mac is much bigger than it was in recent years. Now not even talking about bootcamp or VMWare, most games can be made to play through Wine on either Mac or Linux. While Wine is still a bit unwieldy, it is getting better. The day is coming that gaming is no longer an excuse to use Wintendo. I use Ubuntu exclusively now and almost never boot to the XP partition.
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Vista is a taste of MicroSoft's future plans and things certainly won't get better come the next incarnation of Windows, I can assure you. Inch-by-inch, they're going to dupe the sheep into accepting their trusted "Trusted Computing" philosophy, which basically means everything you do on YOUR computer within YOUR OWN home will be monitored and pretty much every action you make recorded and transmitted back to "HQ"...in one form or another. But ofcourse, all this intrusion into activity on your system is for your own security, to protect you from viruses and evil paedophiles.
Why is Vista slow compared to XP? Because of all the behind the scenes snooping going on. Try inserting a BlueRay disk and running certain video recording apps at the same time. You'll be told that you're "not allowed".
Things are going to get worse as far as "Intrusive Computing" is concerned and when they finally dupe the public into beleiving we need Internet2, this intrusion of our day to day computing life will only be compounded. Welcome to the wonderful world of Big Brother!
Very well said and 100% true. Thank you for articulating one of the main reasons I use Amiga computers to this day.
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AndrewBell wrote:
Going OT for a moment:
How is a government or security agency supposed to stop the bad guys without intruding in the privacy of the masses? Accept the fact that your emails and cell phone calls are monitored, and be careful about your communication. Wish that GW was dead? Fine, just don't email it to relatives in the middle east.
I'd prefer to lose a little privacy, than lose my life to a suicide bomber.
Another example of someone who has their head firmly implanted up their arse, this is getting all too common. If you want to stop suicide bombers, how about petitioning your government to stop invading other countries in conquest of oil supplies?
Anyway, back to the OT, personally, I have no interest in Vista, or Microsoft for that matter. I use M$ products because work is pretty much all M$, however, we have no plans to migrate to Vista for a good few years yet, as from our testing, 90% of our software fails to run. XP is quite a nice OS as OS's go, however, I use it only for games, when I want to do some serious work, I turn on the Mac ;-)
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darule wrote:
The laptop from my missus has Vista on it, she loves it. But only because of the new GUI and the new graphical features of solitaire.. *sigh*
It's better to have computers as girlfriends. :-D
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thanos wrote:
my $0.02
No one tempted to make jokes about this statement and the lousy dollar exchange rate?
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Back to the original post, you will know M$ has abandoned Vista when they release DirectX 10 for windows XP, that will be the nail that seals Vista in it's coffin.
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redrumloa wrote:
HERE (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9785337-7.html).
The road ahead looks dangerous for Vista and Microsoft must realize that. With Mac OS X hot on its tail, Vista is simply not capable of competing at an OS level with some of the best software around. If Microsoft continues down this path, it will be Vista that will bring the software giant to its knees--not Bill Gates' departure.
Of course, categorically dumping an operating system is quite difficult and with millions already using the OS, chances are Microsoft won't find a good enough reason to do it. And while I can understand that argument, there's no reason the company can't continue to support Vista and go back to the drawing board for its next OS. Even better, go back to XP--it's not nearly as bad as Vista.
As a daily user of Mac OS X, Ubuntu and Vista, I'm keenly aware of what works and what doesn't. Mac and Linux work.
The time is up. Microsoft must abandon Vista and move on. It's the company's only chance at redemption.
MacOS X Leo has it's own issues. For example
Data Loss Bug In OS X 10.5 Leopard (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/05/2328259)
OS X Leopard Firewall Flawed (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/30/188214)
Leopard Upgraders Getting "Blue Screen of Death" (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/27/1838248)
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard:Software Incompatibilities (http://www.macintouch.com/leopard/compat.html)
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One thing you may not know is Apple is gaining market share, while M$ is actually losing market share. There is a very real chance M$ can be toppled.
Unlikely, since Apple is only a single PC vendor.
Refer to http://www.itfacts.biz/index.php?id=C0_7_1
Note worldwide non-Apple PC shipment vs Apple's PC shipment.
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Funny, that. I heard that Nintendo's Wii is giving both these systems a major headache thanks to its innovative controls which offer a MAJOR break from the standard thumb-twitching joypad
Factor in the lower price for Wii.
With Halo 3's release
Xbox 360 Beats Wii in September Console Sales (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9334)
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
It's better to have computers as girlfriends. :-D[/quote]:roflmao:
My Amiga is the Only girlfriend I'll ever have!
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
thanos wrote:
my $0.02
No one tempted to make jokes about this statement and the lousy dollar exchange rate?
right now Americans are just weeping! :bigcry:
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Hammer wrote:
Funny, that. I heard that Nintendo's Wii is giving both these systems a major headache thanks to its innovative controls which offer a MAJOR break from the standard thumb-twitching joypad
Factor in the lower price for Wii.
Okay: it has BOTH a lower price AND an innovative control system. Sounds like a win-win situation to me. And a loose-loose for PS3 and Xbox.
With Halo 3's release
Xbox 360 Beats Wii in September Console Sales (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9334)
So what you're saying is that the Xbox (360) is the console created for Halo 3, instead of Halo 3 being created for the Xbox? There isn't any more Halo coming up for the Xbox: the story is done. And buying an expensive game console just to play Halo is not particularly smart from a financial POV. Once the initial rush wears off, I doubt the Xbox will continue to out-sell the Wii. However, stranger things have been known to happen. Christmas season is coming up, we'll see.
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cecilia wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
thanos wrote:
my $0.02
No one tempted to make jokes about this statement and the lousy dollar exchange rate?
right now Americans are just weeping! :bigcry:
If I'd say $1 is worth $0.02, it'd have a recursive effect... :nervous:
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Rocking on Vista Enterprise. Highly recommend it. Never seen a crash, hang, or hiccup. I reboot maybe once a month to get a clean slate memory wise.
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Okay: it has BOTH a lower price AND an innovative control system. Sounds like a win-win situation to me. And a loose-loose for PS3 and Xbox.
In regards to "loose-loose", note "With Halo 3's release
Xbox 360 Beats Wii in September Console Sales" statement.
And buying an expensive game console just to play Halo is not particularly smart from a financial POV
In terms of cost, X360 slots in the middle of Wii and PS3.
Smartness is irrelevant against actual results.
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when I think about Front Row vs WMPlayer i laugh.
when i think about Front Row... Hmmm... Nice and sexy as an Amiga ;)
this OS X can throw this thingy in your face instantly...
this OS could throw nice games like this...
apple should work on a game system console, if they invest in game software dev and if this investment become something huge like Pixar, they could blast windows & even xbox, this would have a huge impact on the mac market share.
a "macbox" which boots games like an amiga and which can load the whole OS X too if needed.
having the same binaries working on Macs and even a iPhone version is a dream i want to come true !
this would mean that if you develop a game for Mac you sell it to "macbox" Macs and iPhone users.
not all window games are ported to xbox, even if porting is easy.
If Apple could put in the market a "macbox" game console which is 100% Mac compatible it would kill xbox.
They just have to do what MS did they designed xbox.
I mean invest in their own game dev team and give SDK + $$$ to leading game dev around the world + Teaming with ATI or Nvidia or their own ?
Apple is making big money these last years, so everything can be possible... Even a Apple Cellphone with a touchscreen... ;)))
Even a game console !!!
Raaaahh I need games for my Mac Pro !!! (frustrated) :(((
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when I think about Front Row vs WMPlayer i laugh.
Ermm, use ‘Windows Media Centre’ instead of WMPlayer.
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Reactivating vista 5 times.. are you saying you have a single-user license? if so, yeah you can't keep re-installing it on every machine you buy unless you wipe the old hard drives-otherwise its called piracy. You are not supposed to do it with AmigaOS3.9 either..
x86 Linux and Windows and Macs (whichever version you are talking about) are inefficient bloated resource hogs: GB of superfast memory, CPU''s running in the 1000's of MHZ,Terrabyte hard drives. WTF!!!! The OS is supposed to control the way the user interacts with the PC ie icons, menus, windows , dialogs, mouse pointer movement. Why in the hell do we need such advanced hardware to do such simple things? GEOS on a 6502 could do this. Why isn't the computer ready to go when I power it up, why don't we have zero boot times, why don't programs start instantaneously when I double click on their icon, why do menus stall before opening, why does everything go slower when i read a cd/dvd/hard drive. WHY ??Because the hardware architecture that any new computer you can now buy is based on the Windows-design: its windows that dictates hardware design. Even if Linux or MacOS runs on it, the underlying architecture is windows-compliant. Software ie other OS's can try to minimize the hardware constraints it can't remove them. At bootup, mouse drivers, keyboard drivers, video, USB drivers, cpu drivers, PCI drivers blah,blah all have to be loaded. Why can't this built into the hardware ie in the peripherals themselves so the OS immediately knows all about the hardware when its powered-up? The Amiga didn't have to load up aga drivers, floppy drivers, mouse drivers..
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Warning: The following is way off topic, but I had to respond to the attack on a fellow citizen. Go back to what ever you were doing and skip this message if you don't want to read any political opinion.
adz wrote:
AndrewBell wrote:
Going OT for a moment:
How is a government or security agency supposed to stop the bad guys without intruding in the privacy of the masses? Accept the fact that your emails and cell phone calls are monitored, and be careful about your communication. Wish that GW was dead? Fine, just don't email it to relatives in the middle east.
I'd prefer to lose a little privacy, than lose my life to a suicide bomber.
Another example of someone who has their head firmly implanted up their arse, this is getting all too common. If you want to stop suicide bombers, how about petitioning your government to stop invading other countries in conquest of oil supplies?
Conquest of oil supplies??? I wish it were that simple, the gas and oil prices in the US keep rising just like every where else that I have heard of on this planet. Perhaps your example of an implanted head is looking back at you from your mirror!!!
I disagree with this war we are in just as much as anyone, but my reasons are due to the way in which it was started unilaterally and based on bad information or flat out lies, but don't be naive and think that the US is profiting from this war in any way other than attempting to bring stability to the region, which may at some far distant date help to reduce the frequency of drastic changes in oil prices world wide (maybe). This war is costing average taxpayers in the US like me and future taxpayers like my children untold trillions of dollars. There is no monetary profit for the US in this war. Perhaps if other nations could envision a successful end to the conflict they would join us for the common good that would result for the whole world.
I have only a little hope that a successful end to the conflict will occur in my, or even my children's lifetime. The war will end and the US will remove our troops, but without education and tolerance for all and by all that live in that entire region of the world, there will be no peace.
The US cannot impose its beliefs and systems there, we can only teach them how to understand who and what we are, while at the same time, we are learning to understand who they are and how we can all live together in peace. Education is the answer to World Peace.
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I haven't read this entire thread, bui I say screw XP, Vista and all this other crap. Get a cou[ple dedicated software enthusiasts, code an os, and you have one of the most responsive, intuitive OSes on the market. Gates don't know the first thing abput software. If it makes money but kills babies, sell it, right?
But that's just my opinion.
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x86 Linux and Windows and Macs (whichever version you are talking about) are inefficient bloated resource hogs: GB of superfast memory, CPU''s running in the 1000's of MHZ,Terrabyte hard drives. WTF!!!! The OS is supposed to control the way the user interacts with the PC ie icons, menus, windows , dialogs, mouse pointer movement.
If that was the case, why not install Windows CE X86, Windows NT3.x or ReactOS 0.3.3?
Why isn't the computer ready to go when I power it up, why don't we have zero boot times, why don't programs start instantaneously when I double click on their icon
On my laptop (ASUS G1S) laptop, wordpad.exe starts instantaneously when I double click on it's icon.
why do menus stall before opening, why does everything go slower when i read a cd/dvd/hard drive
There are poorly written shell add-ons that may slow down shell’s menu operations.
Compared to the rest of the system (e.g. GPU/FSB/CPU/primary memory), HD’s throughput didn’t improve much.
WHY ??Because the hardware architecture that any new computer you can now buy is based on the Windows-design
This statement is false.
ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) architecture was developed by HP, Intel, Microsoft, Phoenix and Toshiba. Note Microsoft and Toshiba in HD-DVD(another topic)...
Look in "Device Manager" -> Computer -> "ACPI x86 based PC" (HAL.dll, HALACPI, HALMACPI.dll). HAL = hardware abstraction layer.
Anyway, Intel and Phoenix are developing embedded style lite OS(extensions for firmware) for the X64 PCs i.e. Hyperspace.
Why can't this built into the hardware ie in the peripherals themselves so the OS immediately knows all about the hardware when its powered-up?
How does an X64 PC display itself and accepts keyboard inputs before loading Windows NT/2K/XP/Vista? My ASUS G1S laptop can display bitmap graphics(for OEM logos) from BIOS boot-up.
Standard PCs starts up as "real mode" 86 i.e. 8086 based PC. Note that some X64 PCs uses UEFI instead of BIOS.
UEFI or BIOS based drivers was not designed with Windows NT family in mind. It's false to think that a modern X64 PC is designed for Windows NT/2K/XP/Vista. In actual reality its was designed for IBM-DOS/PC-DOS/MS-DOS (for BIOS enabled PCs).
IF an X64 PC was designed specifically for Windows NT family, it would have a minimal Windows NT (shown during Windows XP/Vista CD/DVD install) built-into it's frimware(e.g. XBOX 360), but this is not the case.
X64 PC's firmware is Intel's and Phoenix's domain (as illustrated in Hyperspace's development). There’s very little chance for Microsoft to push the other near-mono/duo-poly titans (e.g. Intel, Phoenix/AMI) from that domain.
In classic Amigas, parts of AmigaOS are already active after Kickstart disk prompt. The classic Amiga architecture is mostly govern by a single corporation, while X64 PC is govern by serveral large corporations i.e. Intel, AMD, Phoenix and Microsoft.
ATI or NVIDIA XP/Vista driver includes things like JIT-complier i.e. optimise shader programs for specific GPU cores. Modern GPUs are akin to an array of FPU co-processors.
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Morning all,
I have been using Vista for a while now and yes it is buggy and yes it is slower than XP, but XP was far from perfect, in fact XP only really became stable and reliable after SP2, Vista has has numerour "little" updates already and is getting faster and more reliable all the time, as for Macosoft, HAH i say, it's like paying Microsoft through the back door then not getting any of the benefits.
Yes i am a gamer, but i do lots of other things that the PCMAC just doesn't have the software for. So get used to it Vista is here, it will stay as the market leader, it will get better, they built it and the people will come.
P.S i still love os3.9 but again no commercial support
Please no flaming, All the best, Justin
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I haven't read this entire thread, bui I say screw XP, Vista and all this other crap. Get a cou[ple dedicated software enthusiasts, code an os, and you have one of the most responsive, intuitive OSes on the market. Gates don't know the first thing abput software.
Microsoft knows about business desktop software and the middleware to support it. Refer to Windows CE/PocketPC for Microsoft's lite OSes.
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This thread is heavy on the wishful thinking and light on rational thinking.
I see a trend forming...
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i dislike linux, i'm not getting a mac, so as soon as i'm getting my new laptop i'm formatting it and putting windows xp on. if somebody else doesn't like vista they should do the same instead of posting retarded blogs.
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sir_inferno wrote:
if somebody else doesn't like vista they should do the same instead of posting retarded blogs.
I don't like Vista, neither XP. That's why I still use 98. Guess what ? My computer boots in seconds... I have to use XP at the office, and I have to wait 6 minutes to start working.
Of course, the IT guys there make sure our network is slow, and the computers runs loads of useless scrips.
Anyway, I don't see any reason to upgrade now...
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AeroMan wrote:
I don't like Vista, neither XP. That's why I still use 98. Guess what ? My computer boots in seconds... I have to use XP at the office, and I have to wait 6 minutes to start working.
Of course, the IT guys there make sure our network is slow, and the computers runs loads of useless scrips.
Anyway, I don't see any reason to upgrade now...
Hmmmm..... Windows98, maybe I should think about going back to that and see how this 2.4GHz Core2Duo w/2GB RAM and 7200rpm HD runs. I am sick of having to wait 5 to 7 minutes on boot to start doing anything.
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Conquest of oil supplies??? ... but don't be naive and think that the US is profiting from this war in any way other than attempting to bring stability to the region,
1. The region was stable before GDW invaded it. Maybe it was far from peaceful and there was a dictator controlling the country, but people seem to forget that said dictator was supported by the USA for decades and that there are dozens of regions in the world that are not peaceful with their own dictators, one of those has ruled unimpaired for decades and lives a few hunres miles south of florida, if GDW he had an itch to remove world dicators he could have started there, don't you think?
2. Many people seem to think that "conquesting oil supplies" is akin of "getting cheap oil", truth is never has and never will be about that. It is about securing supply. People have forgotten that the reason behind WWII in the pacific was because the US cut oil supplies to the japanese. People do not seem to undestand that the reason the chinese buy oil from sudan(darfur), venezuela and iran is because the best way to secure oil supplies is to buy from countries outside of the influence of the US. People have yet to grasp that in out lifetimes world oil reserves will dry up and decades before that happens there will be not be enough oil to meet world demand, so only the few that have secured some source of supply will not see their economies go downhill.
Education is the answer to World Peace.
Bah, humbug! Food is the answer to world peace, try to be enlightned with an empty stomach.
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Just as a side note, tonight I installed the latest version of Ubuntu (7.10) on my mother's new Sony Vaio laptop which came pre-installed with Vista. She was not comfortable with Vista because of it's generally stupid interface and has been pestering me to install Windows XP which she's already familiar with from her old desktop. I suggested she gave Linux a try first before I purchased a copy of XP for her. She's been using the new install for a few hours now and absolutely loves it and finds it easy and straight forward to use.
Bare in mind this is a Sony Vaio which uses a lot of proprietary Sony hardware and the Ubuntu installation was just as easy as Windows. Anyone considering Linux should give Ubuntu a try, it's truly amazing.
Watch out Microsoft...you have a REAL contender for your throne!
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Ubuntu's great for the average user, email, browsing, accounts ect. Cant be beaten for value!
I had it dual boot with XP on my laptop for a while, but eventually the novelty wore off and I was booting it maybe once a month, just because.
Also, Ubuntu did take about twice as long to boot compared to XP and had very buggy hibernate/standby features. It's media playing features are a little lacklustre too, DVD playback was choppy at best compared to <20% CPU usage under XP.
The final nail in the... partition, was when Ubuntu broke for some reason, and would lock half way through boot. I couldnt be bothered trying to fix it.
Ubuntu's great when it works and/or you have time & energy to problem solve.
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Why isn't the computer ready to go when I power it up, why don't we have zero boot times, why don't programs start instantaneously when I double click on their icon
On my laptop (ASUS G1S) laptop, wordpad.exe starts instantaneously when I double click on it's icon.
it damn well ought to its a crappy little text editor that if there were an equivalent on C64 would also start instantaneously
WHY ??Because the hardware architecture that any new computer you can now buy is based on the Windows-design[/quote]
This statement is false.
ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) architecture was developed by HP, Intel, Microsoft, Phoenix and Toshiba. Note Microsoft and Toshiba in HD-DVD(another topic)...
Look in "Device Manager" -> Computer -> "ACPI x86 based PC" (HAL.dll, HALACPI, HALMACPI.dll). HAL = hardware abstraction layer.
Anyway, Intel and Phoenix are developing embedded style lite OS(extensions for firmware) for the X64 PCs i.e. Hyperspace.
Yep, and only ONE of these companies makes an OS: guess who?
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Why isn't the computer ready to go when I power it up, why don't we have zero boot times, why don't programs start instantaneously when I double click on their icon.
Welcome to the physical limitations of hard-disk technology.
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coldfish wrote:
Why isn't the computer ready to go when I power it up, why don't we have zero boot times, why don't programs start instantaneously when I double click on their icon.
Welcome to the physical limitations of hard-disk technology.
yep ok hard disks take time to spin up, but the data transfer rates and data densities are 100 times more than they were in the days when a 20 meg hd for an A500 was huge yet, booting up takes ten times as long. why does 1000 times more data need to be loaded at boot to make a gui appear and get the mouse, and kb to work?
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yep ok hard disks take time to spin up, but the data transfer rates and data densities are 100 times more than they were in the days when a 20 meg hd for an A500 was huge yet, booting up takes ten times as long. why does 1000 times more data need to be loaded at boot to make a gui appear and get the mouse, and kb to work?
This next bit will rouse some controversy...
-My XP PC boots faster than my A1200 did, it's true.
-From standby/hibernate its even faster, <20 seconds.
-The PC can do, and does do so much more than the Amiga, start filling the latter up with modern-day apps/requrements like a USB, IP stacks, mediator, RTG drivers etc, and watch what happens...
-HD speed is an even bigger bottleneck today than it was 15 years ago, thats why things are a changing.
Some perspective;
I remember when my C64 took 5+ minutes to load a game, now I get FarCry up and running in less time from a cold boot. I for one would say thats actually not too bad.
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Vista is still beta!! That came from a M$ Tech when pressed! The first Service Pack is supped to be issued in mid January, 08. Who knows what it will fix. XP wasn't worth a tinkers damn until SP2 was released - Then it worked quite well (for most people/machines).
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Some perspective;
I remember when my C64 took 5+ minutes to load a game, now I get FarCry up and running in less time from a cold boot. I for one would say thats actually not too bad.
Yes but you are comparing cassette media to CD/hard disk media. Not a fair comparison!
Try putting FarCry onto cassette and then see how far you get. :-P
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I remember when my C64 took 5+ minutes to load a game, now I get FarCry up and running in less time from a cold boot. I for one would say thats actually not too bad.
I think it was "Arcadia" that took 20 minutes to load off tape on the C64. God it felt good when I had saved up enough pocket money to buy a floppy drive and Action Replay cartridge to transfer my cassette games.
I agree with you that the myth that the Amiga used to boot to Workbench fast really doesn't hold up unless I'm using a no-frills OS3.1 intstall. OS3.9 with it's added bells & whistles and a hi-res backdrop certainly takes longer. :-)
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Yes but you are comparing cassette media to CD/hard disk media. Not a fair comparison!
Try putting FarCry onto cassette and then see how far you get. :-P
For a real PC retro experience, try installing Windows 95 off floppy disk! :-o