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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: A1260 on November 01, 2007, 02:08:18 AM
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"Amiga, Inc." (UBI Number 601 983 734) has just been renamed "Amino Development Corporation":
http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=601983734
Looks like another move to add to the confusion factor of keeping track of corporate changes over the years.....
:roll:
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LOL!!! not again! LOL
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now with this new name, they can leverage their position for the timely delivery of os5, new hardware and 8,432 different kinds of unsold card games and demonstrate the corporate and creative output that can only be product of the worlds leading multimedia company!
:banana::insane::banana:
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Or a move to abandon the community.
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oh I think the community was found outside the door of the monastery some years ago
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I thought Amiga, Inc. (Washington) was disolved. How can you rename a dead company?
Or is it a new shell?
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This group must sit around trying to think up the next most ridiculous move to make. Wasn't it claimed that Amiga(W) was no more? Now it still exists and changes its name??? Do they think this helps the court case some how? I've run out of words to decribe the emotions.
Plaz
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downix wrote:
Or a move to abandon the community.
Oh please, GOD, please let this be true, they have already done enough damage.
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:laughing:
God I hope they stay gone!
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I'd say the hell with them. The Amiga community by itself is way more powerful. Just look at what my fellow countryman has achieved on his own. Creating an A500 the size of a,.. ehr.. sigar box.
I won't be surprised if one day the community has developed the, let's say A5000.
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You sure it's been renamed?
Amiga, INC is still active - UBI 602621140 (http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=602621140).
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Who cares? It's not like the *do* anything.
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moto
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@Zac67
Your link seems to be for Amiga, Inc Delaware (DE).
However, date of incorporation 04/20/2007 ?!?
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Glorix wrote:
@Zac67
Your link seems to be for Amiga, Inc Delaware (DE).
However, date of incorporation 04/20/2007 ?!?
Different company, this is the "new" owners of the IP. A shell game to protect themselves from the lawsuit by Hyperion is my guess.
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Amino?!? That's not even a catchy name, what's going on?
The first thing that strikes me is amino acids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino_acid), the building blocks in proteins.
Dunno if that's a positive association, though.
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skurk wrote:
Amino?!? That's not even a catchy name, what's going on?
The first thing that strikes me is amino acids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino_acid), the building blocks in proteins.
Dunno if that's a positive association, though.
It was their legal name before they bought the rights to the Amiga IP. If they sell off or get rid of that right, they would be forced to change their name back.
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I thought Amiga, Inc. (Washington) was disolved. How can you rename a dead company?
That was because the corp did not file (read pay a yearly fee) a report to WA State which then desolved the corp. WA allows for five years to reactivate (read pay fees) a desolved corp.
I see this as a method to shut down Hyperion's legal claim that it was insolvent. If Hyperion does succeed in saying the IP does not belong to Amiga DE, it'll go back to Amino Dev which will then terminate the contract with Hyperion. Checkmate.
Dammy
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does not belong to Amiga DE
Is that Amiga Digital Environment or Amiga Deleware? :-)
Still, at least it keeps us entertained.
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"Amiga, Inc." (UBI Number 601 983 734) has just been renamed "Amino Development Corporation":
To be fair, where does this indicate a change of name or any other status? It just looks like a business license, which began in 1999. I don't remember when they took on the Amiga name, perhaps this is there just because that's the name they originally applied for license under? What's interesting is that they do not have any address info present there.
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downix wrote:
It was their legal name before they bought the rights to the Amiga IP. If they sell off or get rid of that right, they would be forced to change their name back.
Didn't that leaked fax that detailed the Amiga Inc/KMOS deal say something about making Amiga (WA) change its name ?
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"If Hyperion does succeed in saying the IP does not belong to Amiga DE, it'll go back to Amino Dev which will then terminate the contract with Hyperion. Checkmate."
Insolvency and filling for insolvency are two different things. So yes, checkmate, but for Hyperion;)
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Insolvency and filling for insolvency are two different things. So yes, checkmate, but for Hyperion;)
Unfortunetly for Hyprion, AI/Amino was never insolvent. Their assets were far beyond their debts. Refer to US Code on what is required for insovlency.
Dammy
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@dammy
That's news to me, TBH I haven't had the patience to follow the case like others... Is that proven 100%?! That means the death of AOS4 for plenty of us, I won't be investing in something with AInc. behind it!
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We might all know that Amino was insolvent eversince 2001 (even before Hyperion signed that contract), we might even say that is bloddy obvious...... proofing that is so, is another pair of shoes.
And by doing so, one might wake up the autorities, Amino is forced into filling insolvency, and the contract gets voided as it harms the interest of creditos ranking far higher than Hyperion (read those have verdict against Amino in their hands).
Very dangerous game to play.
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Jose,
That means the death of AOS4 for plenty of us,
I agree with this, as if AInc. secures rights to OS I have no doubt they will put it aside and it will never be heard of again.
I won't be investing in something with AInc. behind it!
This part I don't understand. If it's determined that AInc. is in the right, then Hyperion has been in the wrong all along. In that case, were I interested in the well-being of OS4, I would be pissed at Hyperion.
FYI, I have no love of either party, both have misled the Amiga community for years, but if you consider OS4 to be teh TRUE Amiga then I don't understand what difference it makes who owns the rights to slap the name "Amiga" on it.
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@jorkany
Well said............I agree with you. However just cuz one party wins doesn't mean they were in the right...........they just might have had a better decieving lawyer.
Nevertheless, I am behind Amiga all the way (OS and the hardware)
Seriously............we need to stop attacking Amiga Inc and Hyperion.
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The only thing I can remember that could serve as proof was already submited to the court, i.e. the fact that Bill testified in another court case, about AI not paying their employees, because the company was completely broke. And I don't think the employees got any money back. IMHO if that's not accepted as proof than the US justice is real sh*t!.
@jorkany
"...but if you consider OS4 to be teh TRUE Amiga then I don't understand what difference it makes who owns the rights to slap the name "Amiga" on it."
Regarding the "TRUE Amiga", I've learned with time that the MOS community is very much like the AOS4 one, at least now, and as far as product is concerned my only pity is that I don't have a PPC card otherwise I'd surely install AOS3.9, AOS4 and MOS.
Regarding AInc. ...
Anyone that has followed the Amiga history since 99 knows they've only used the "name" to get funds from investors, and they're only interest in the real Amiga stuff was getting developers for free.
If they get AOS4 they'll pretty fast turn it into some x86 run anywhere crap and change the API to force coders to use it.
Last note about morality: I consider playing dirt tactics regarding software not as bad as not paying your employees, so still prefer Hyperion.
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The only thing I can remember that could serve as proof was already submited to the court, i.e. the fact that Bill testified in another court case, about AI not paying their employees, because the company was completely broke. And I don't think the employees got any money back. IMHO if that's not accepted as proof than the US justice is real sh*t!.
Except your confusing what McBill says with real world evidence. :lol: Ignore McBill and pay attention to the paperwork, that is going to lead you to the truth.
Dammy
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Looks like there is already a Pocket PC shell game I guess we don't need an Amiga Anywhere port.
(http://www.handango.com/include/pictures/1499596/big2.gif)
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Unfortunetly for Hyprion, AI/Amino was never insolvent. Their assets were far beyond their debts. Refer to US Code on what is required for insovlency.
Yet, they were unable to pay their debts even after selling their assets. Or would that be unwilling to pay debts?
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Yet, they were unable to pay their debts even after selling their assets. Or would that be unwilling to pay debts?
I say more like poor mouthing it to skate on paying debts tbh. They clearly had assets worth far more then what they owed. Problem is for those who they owe is forcing them into selling asstes (Amiga IP) to pay off those debts. That requires paying lawyes to hound AI and AI's owners so you have a chance of spending more what the debt is owed by AI on lawyers. Most will call it a day and take the loss on their Federal/State Corp income taxes.
Hopefully by this time next year, the jury will have decided. Let the appeals process begin after that. :-D
Dammy
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Right on darule right on !!!
I would mortgage my house for a A5000
:P
Joe..
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KILL BILL, Episode 12 - The come back of a dead mailbox
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@Argo who said
Except your confusing what McBill says with real world evidence. Ignore McBill and pay attention to the paperwork, that is going to lead you to the truth.
So you're saying that McBill purgered himself in court when he said they were broke?...
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@dammy who said
Unfortunetly for Hyprion, AI/Amino was never insolvent. Their assets were far beyond their debts. Refer to US Code on what is required for insovlency.
How do you value their historical "assets" (by which I assume you mean their IP) ? I don't see that you can. Far easier to rely on McBill's historical testimony that AI was essentially bankrupt...
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ChrisH wrote:
@Argo who said Except your confusing what McBill says with real world evidence. Ignore McBill and pay attention to the paperwork, that is going to lead you to the truth.
So you're saying that McBill purgered himself in court when he said they were broke?...
He said they only had about $100 in the bank, and he talks about both debts and assets. Though AI would have likely met what we call a cash flow (or accountants) definition of insolvency, under US law (in Title 11) is debts greater then assets, and AI's assets (trademarks, copyrights, etc, all of which Bill talked about under oath) were worth far more then the debts he talked about, thus under US law, AI was NOT insolvent.
-Tig
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@Tigger
Q: Can you state your name?
A: Bill McEwen
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Q: Is Amiga as we sit here today financially solvent?
A: No
Q: Is it fair to say that its debts exceed its credits?
A: Yes
Insolvency is a financial condition in which the total liabilities of an individual or enterprise exceed the total assets so that the claims of creditors cannot be paid.
So, we are either looking at an insolvent company, or Bill did commit perjury, in which case he will face up to five years in jail according to US law.
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AmiDog wrote:
@Tigger
Q: Can you state your name?
A: Bill McEwen
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Q: Is Amiga as we sit here today financially solvent?
A: No
Q: Is it fair to say that its debts exceed its credits?
A: Yes
Yes and he also listed the assets of the company, IP and Trademarks. They have value and are important in finding a company insolvent.
Insolvency is a financial condition in which the total liabilities of an individual or enterprise exceed the total assets so that the claims of creditors cannot be paid.
Insolvency has only one definition in US law, it is in Title 11 of the US Code, it quite clearly says debts exceed assets, AI(W) did not meet that criteria in April of 2003, despite Hyperions claims to the contrary.
So, we are either looking at an insolvent company, or Bill did commit perjury, in which case he will face up to five years in jail according to US law.
No, Bill is answering with an accountant answer, not a legal answer and he is led to that by the questioner. AI couldnt pay bills, true, technically if they decided that we were not going with a legal definition and going with this definition, then they were insolvent on Nov 3, 2001, which would invalidate the entire 2.07 clause.
-Tig
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So you're saying that McBill purgered himself in court when he said they were broke?...
If you can get the WA state attorney to go after Bill for Purgery, go for it. I really do not like AI, and for the most part that goes for the current owner(s) and execs as well. Be as that may, I still say that AI is in the clear with this contract with Hyperion. Ben make a crappy contract and he's going to get the fruit of his stupidity.
Dammy
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I'm still waiting for the Fat Lady/Judge to sing...
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I'm still waiting for the Fat Lady/Judge to sing...
For the initial trial(s) or the appeal process? You may get lucky and the initial trial(s) will be over by this time next year, or not. Appeals? Many many years will pass before the appeal process will be over.
Dammy
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Look for the Amino Center at Kent to appear any day now...
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I'm still waiting for the Fat Lady/Judge to sing...
I've believe it has now started: Itec vs Hyperion will not be joined (http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/washington/wawdce/2:2007cv00631/143245/96/) with AI vs Hyperion case in WA but remain in NY. Hyperion also failed to link their law suit against Amino plus has to go to mediation first before going to trial. Hyperion did win to get subpoena with Amino's old lawyers but the Judge will go through seven boxes from their past lawyer first (http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/washington/wawdce/2:2007cv00631/143245/97/).
Dammy
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Dirty dirty necro.