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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: jahc on July 11, 2003, 06:51:32 AM
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Would I be crazy to give my PC to a family member, and just use an AmigaOne as my only machine? Surely Linux, MacOS, and AmigaOS 4.0 would be enough for a desktop computer. I just wouldnt be able to play games.. but I dont play games that much anyway. I just need a bit of Word compatibility for my studies, which Linux/MacOS would be able to provide. It was good having two computers for a few months, but I just want one computer on my desk now. I think it would be fun being non-Windows based, and it would be cool to use different alternative OS's... just need to learn a little Linux. :) And figure out a way to be able to read all hard drive partitions in all OS's. Probably not much chance of that? I guess if I wanted to swap files around I could just use a CD-RW..
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Many people do just fine using just Linux.. Like you said, learn the OS and away you go. If you're used to Amigas, you'll probably like the fact that Linux will have a much wider range of SW available for a much wider range of tasks. :-)
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NO! :-D
Ofcourse it isn't crazy to do that.
You already gave an answer on your question in your post.
The only thing at the moment isn´t fully developed is the games-area. But just wait a while and it will be blooming (yes I'm very optimistic).
I've got a Pegasos, my trusty A1200 and a PS2 for games and I can do anything I want to do.
About swapping files between different OS's I don´t know, sorry. :-)
Spidey
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I have PS2 as "games machine"
But still I mostly play on my Pegasos with MAME
(or my C64)
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In AmigaOS you should be able to read the Mac and Linux partitions. Remember "Only Amiga Makes it Possible !".
It means, if it' not done yet, you won't have to wait long for it :-)
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My main machine just runs Linux. Nothing else. I also use a PS2 for my gaming needs (they're not so high), and after all, there is Quake on my box...
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I don't have a PC or Mac. All I have in my flat is an A4000, A1500, Archimedes 4000, C64, and AmigaONE XE-G4, and Gamecube. Before this week, I didn't even have the A1 :-D
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It is possible to read Amiga-Partitions with Linux. But I think you have to recompile the kernel. That also shows the problem with linux. If you get used to it, it can be easier and more comfortable than other operating system. But at the beginning you have a hard time. I felt like the first time before a computer again.
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I dont have Windoze machines in my house, other than the Laptop I use to telnet into the AIX server at work when I am on standby. I only do that when I have to, as NT4 suxx a55, especially on a Laptop through a dialup !!
(I have logged in using Miami and amTerm on the 1200, but it is a little frowned upon to not use work property !)
I have - A1XE-G3, A1200, MacIIci, and various 8bit Sinclairs.
Emufreak, you dont need to recompile the Woody kernel to read/write Amiga partitions - you just need to -
mount -t affs
the problems only really occur when trying to get a RDB harddisk into a position where UBoot will allow automatic boots of Linux !
(make the 1st partition the linux root, the boot partition can go anywhere)
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I think the only person that can answer your question is yourself.
For myself, I just found using Linux to be too cumbersome. There was always something that I needed to do that required rebooting to Windows. After a while, that gets old and I gave up on Linux. (I also find Debian the worst in terms of usage. It'd be okay if you use Linux all the time or something. Personally, I don't like having to remember the names of packages just so I can reconfigure things.)
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One option for having a partition accessible to all your OSs is to create a FAT partition. This is readable by Linux and AmigaOS (using FAT 95) and probably any most other OSs too. The FAT partition can small and be used purely for file transfer.
Obviously I can't say for sure it would work with OS4 but this solution works very well for me with Amithlon on a multi-OS machine.
HTH
Robert
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jahc: "Would I be crazy to give my PC to a family member, and just use an AmigaOne as my only machine?"
NO way, I've only got an Amiga - it's replaced the TV too since I've have a TV card. I'm looking to install a mini fridge for the beer in it next ;-)
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One option for having a partition accessible to all your OSs is to create a FAT partition. This is readable by Linux and AmigaOS (using FAT 95) and probably any most other OSs too. The FAT partition can small and be used purely for file transfer.
FAT partitions eh.. is there anything stopping me from purely using FAT partitions? or any disadvantages? This sounds like the solution to my multi-OS problem. I would like to be able to access all files from all OS's.
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I hope someone is able to port a recent version of MAME to OS 4.0 .. I cant wait to play Marvel Super Heroes using my USB controller on my A1. :) Or Marvel vs Streetfighter, Street Fighter Alpha, Mortal Kombat 1,2,3, X-Men children of the atom, etc.
Btw, can you tell what my favourite game genre is? :)
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FAT partitions eh.. is there anything stopping me from purely using FAT partitions? or any disadvantages? This sounds like the solution to my multi-OS problem. I would like to be able to access all files from all OS's.
I think your /boot needs to be in an ext2 filesystem.
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jahc wrote:
FAT partitions eh.. is there anything stopping me from purely using FAT partitions? or any disadvantages? This sounds like the solution to my multi-OS problem. I would like to be able to access all files from all OS's.
The big one is the lack of ownership and permissions fields in the filesystem- you can run Linux off FAT, and some embedded implementations no-doubt do, but you'll have a much easier job taking advantage of security with the 'standard' (ext2, ext3, ???) FSes. Those also get more reliability testing in general, their fscks (or fsck-equivalents; again, I'm a BSD user here) have a higher chance of working properly, etc.
One thing to hold out hope for is UDF - it's no panacea, and 'tuned' more for removable media, but it's poised to *eventually* be the lingua-franca we sorely need. Meanwhile, you can try to run as many things as possible under a single host OS (MOL needs Linux up, after all), rig up the 'virtual' networking properly, and run a network filesystem like SAMBA, NFS, Appletalk??, or WebDAV (the last being the up-and-coming standard, well-supported by various Linux tools and the OS X Finder, though it's a bit of a mindf').
Then, until we have a BSD available on the PPC/Mai/U-Boot platform, you only have to worry about Linux<->OS4 (and maybe Linux<->MOS), which should at least go one way with the Linux AFFS drivers.
FAT partitions, with their long-filename headaches, fragmentation issues, etc, are really more trouble than they're worth these days. If you're going to use one, I'd say put it on a CF card or Pen Drive, and spare the layout of your HD; it's still the pidgin-of-choice for those devices, and then you have the excuse that you might someday unclip it and sneakernet it elsewhere. Or if that's too expensive, sacrifice a $10 surplus drive to the task- sure, it seems wasteful when you could do it the 'skilled' way, but you'll be happy when you grow sick of the kludge and won't have to backup 80gb to repartition.
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jahc wrote:
I hope someone is able to port a recent version of MAME to OS 4.0 .. I cant wait to play Marvel Super Heroes using my USB controller on my A1. :) Or Marvel vs Streetfighter, Street Fighter Alpha, Mortal Kombat 1,2,3, X-Men children of the atom, etc.
Btw, can you tell what my favourite game genre is? :)
Mame is allready ported to linux, so why not enjoy playing it allready? :-D
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FAT partitions eh.. is there anything stopping me from purely using FAT partitions? or any disadvantages? This sounds like the solution to my multi-OS problem. I would like to be able to access all files from all OS's.
Yes, using fat partions as system partions on a linux system, would severly damage the security. System and home directory should be ext2 or ext3 if you want to have a secure system.
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having Amiga One as my base computer is my goal. i just hope i don't have to be stuck with Debian. (as some seem not to like it??)
i like the red hat i have on my laptop.
linux needs some help from "nerd" friends (no offense), but it sure is stable! :-D
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And just what is stopping you from playing games on a Mac? There are shed loads of games for the Mac, even current ones like Medal of |Honour Allied Assault, Soldier of Fortune 2, Unreal Tornament 2003 then older things like the Quake series and Unreal Tournament Tomb Raider 3 and 4 and maybe angel of darkness soon.
Check out www.macgold.co.uk
From whom I have purchased many of the above games and Carmagedon 2, the list goes on... :-o
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mike_amiga: a 3d api in mol would help i guess :)
only thing its useable for now (I THINK) is the macos and apps and old 2d games etc....
i might be wrong but last i checked that was my only option (using mol on my amigaone)