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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: R2D2 on July 09, 2003, 11:48:49 PM
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Access A1200 Amiga clone (http://www.soft3.net/pages/usato_3e.php)
This was totally new to me! Cool little thing! :-o
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And to me... I agree, very cool.
John :¬)
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i ordered one for my amigaone... :)
(gonna connect it to my tvcard etc.....)
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This was mentioned about a month ago here (I think it was here anyway).
It does look strangely nice tho :-)
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I like the fact that it will fill out one my spare bays in my workstation, whilst simultaneously giving the "RAW POWER" (OK, sarcasm!) of the 1200 hehe..
But seriously, could be quite useful to me at the minute and over the next few months. And it will irritate my friend no end, he's got an A500+ and and A600 but he really wanted a 1200... :¬)
John
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Very smart bit of kit id like one myself. :-)
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I could use one of these, to bad they are out of stock. Cool little thing! :-D
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to all ignorant people in here and to them who doesnt know..
infact this access amiga clone is faster than a real a1200 (BARE) ..as it have 030 and fast ram,
and its working on 28mzh .. , to all who knows abit, this is really good news since the actual clock is higher + cpu onboard is 030...imagine clocking this baby :) and putting an 060 on it...yeAH!! :)
will have mine in 1 week.... then it will go straight into my a1 top bay.... yum yum..
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wolf: email around , they are possible to find still , also there was an rumour about 60 brand new units last week, so check up and write em an email (the shop in italy) ..
u might be lucky....but beware it set me back 180 euro...
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One of those would be great with a MAS player on the parallel port, such a nice small footprint to work from compared to a 1200..
Only trouble is there`s nowhere to put a PCMCIA network card so uploading new MP3`s would have to be done over the serial port :-(
I s`pose the only way around it is to hack on a clockport header..4 address lines, 8 data lines and some control lines ..shouldn`t be that hard.
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How did they even build these things? I thought AGA chips were long gone? Or did they just buy a crapload of chips before production stopped?
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Doobrey wrote:
I s`pose the only way around it is to hack on a clockport header..4 address lines, 8 data lines and some control lines ..shouldn`t be that hard.
Neh! Don't even worry 'bout that - just get yourself a clockport USB connector, then a USB to Network media converter and bang, you're set!
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A quote from the page:
'The first and only Amiga 1200 compatible board never built.'
:-D
I assume it's just a typo (never, that is).
-Paul
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You all beter come down to the Benelux Amiga Show this year to see it in real life (i've been informed :roll:)
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I'd love one of these.
@lempkee
please let us know what its like when you get it
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nitrousb:
what do u want to know? , i allready used and held one of theese babys :)
i know how it will be so , only downside is no pcmica port no rgb out... and ofcourse someoter small niggles, but if u want an amiga1200 in your amigaone, this is the way to go for ultimate compability..
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b00tdisk: well my guess is that theese chips and the cubo chips etc came all from the same place , and that was just after commodore went bust.
dont know how many cubo's was made nor access cards , but my guess is that there is more than 1 version of the access.
like cubo cd32 , it have 4 diffrent versions..
(1 extremly simmilar to the cd32 , 1 with 030 , 1 with fastmem onboard etc...)
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Does it have an IDE connector?
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well the site does say: There is a buffered IDE interface with a 3,5 connector, a flash memory, and an ISA 8 bit slot (but the ISA slot seems to be unusable). But i can't spot the IDE controller on any of the pic's......but maybe i'm just blind :-D :-D
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Guyver: Yes you are blind... it's just behind the HD power connector just to the side of the paralell connector on the board. The site also sais that the pictures are of the 020 model, not the 030 model.
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oohh yyeeessss!!! i see it now, thankx so much for opening my eyes :-P :-D :-D
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Got email a short while ago from Soft3 (the supplier) to the effect of: "We have no more and don't really expect any more. Sorry. But if we DO get some, we'll let you know straight away."
So, for now, at least from Soft3 it looks like anyone without one is SOL (aside from anyone who already ordered and thus has contract with them for supply)
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how i want this....
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Actually a few weeks back Computer City offered a few of these beasties. (www.compcity.nl). Can't remember how much they were asking but it was too much for my liking :-).
Mail em at info@compcity.nl if you're still looking for one.
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This is the price: 299 Euro
Look at this picture:
http://www.amiga-news.de/archiv03/maarssen/000001.shtml
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B00tDisk wrote:
Neh! Don't even worry 'bout that - just get yourself a clockport USB connector, then a USB to Network media converter and bang, you're set!
Er...I`d still have to hack on a clockport header to plug in the Subway !
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Its seems interesting, but 300 Euros seems a lot of money for technology thats a decade old, especially given the Pegasos package is only UK£320.
If it were a lot cheaper, I think there would be greater interest in the unit.
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lempkee wrote:
like cubo cd32 , it have 4 diffrent versions..
(1 extremly simmilar to the cd32 , 1 with 030 , 1 with fastmem onboard etc...)
I'm sorry? Cubo? Wossat then?
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@gnarly
Have a look here,
http://www.ifrance.com/ninjaw/cd32/cubo/
and here
http://amiga.emugaming.com/bundles/cubocd32.html
P.S. Sorry, the URL form doesn't work on my IBrowse!!
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Am I the only one who has seen these before? IIRC it was shown in 1998 or so. Didn't hear from it again until now.
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Am I the only one who has seen these before? IIRC it was shown in 1998 or so. Didn't hear from it again until now.
I remember the swedish magazine Amiga Info had it in the news section at the time it was announced.
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Never heard of this either until recently, quite cool.
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Only trouble is there`s nowhere to put a PCMCIA network card so uploading new MP3`s would have to be done over the serial port :-(
According to one of the contemporary UK rags, you could run an ISA network card off it. Some sites which used the Access for kiosks allegedly updated all their systems via ethernet. The only question is where to get the drivers.
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I'm not lempkee, but I have one :-)
I never had a bigbox Amiga, so don't have a proper keyboard for it. But I'm at work now, and have just finished making an A500 to Access keyboard converter, so I'm in business.
It's a nice little toy, but the expansion possibilities are a bit non-existant. I'll be looking into getting the ISA port operational, I would love to network this baby :-)
Mine is currently running 3.9, but it will be running my spare 3.5 license when I get home (the only way I could get it operational without a CDROM and CD drivers was of course to copy the data across using the A1, and that means easier with preinstalled 3.9 than with 3.5 on a CD :-) )
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300 Euro? I paid 180 Euro for mine. This is a really cool toy for those who still like to play with AGA Amigas, how on earth would a Pegasos be more fun than an AmigaOne with an Access in the top 5 1/4" bay? ;-)
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@olegil
So did you just buy it this weekend? If so then I lost out because of you buying it ...Aaaargh! :pissed: ;-)
Anyway, nevermind... are you planning to put in your A1 case?
Keep us up to date on your progress, a few pics wouldn't go amiss either
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Well, I bought it WAY back, but I only picked it up at my local delivery point inside the EU (I can bring quite a lot of things through customs duty-free, so I use the option of carrying it myself :-) ) at the OS on Tour event in Gothenburg. And the past 2 weeks I've been on vacation, so I haven't made a posting in ages.
If anyone knows about any work done to bring the ISA interface online, contact me (or answer here).
A hardware MP3 chip would also be a good idea for this one. Hardware mpeg video (1,2,4) would also be cool, but is probably not doable :-)
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Latest update:
I just shoe-horned it into the AmigaOne tower :-)
I seriously need to do some cutting at the back so I can have cables running out of it, but open side-door will have to do for now :-)
Don't have a camera, so will take some time to get the pictures.
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how on earth would a Pegasos be more fun than an AmigaOne with an Access in the top 5 1/4" bay?
Pegasos with Access in the top 5 1/" bay... perhaps? :-)
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oleegil: i dont have my access yet, 1-5 days away :) , but as i said on the os4 tour , i have a cubo cd32 :) ..
btw it seemed to fit fine in your tower when we checked it out , but heh then u didnt have the cables etc, but i guess..just use a lower bay ?,
it should fit fine in my new case hopefully :)
anyway i paid 180 euro+ postage... and i guess if the postal service in norway is as stuck up as usual, well then i have to pay custom taxes also...grrR ..
will let ya all know what it costed in the end...
anyway ITS worth it :)
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They were originally designed/produced by Mick Tinker (Index Information Ltd.) and was the forerunner of the BoXeR and InsideOut. Take a look here (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/access.html). IIRC, the Access was only available for 'industrial' applications and info kiosks and never officially released to to the general public.
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hello all.
yesterday I got an email from Soft3 and they told me that they mey have located a batch of NEW boards.
The price may be a bit higher than before, because the previous boards were used and these are new.
They would send me a mail again, when they knew more...
So I'm going the save some money :-D :-D :-D
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The new price is 250 euro
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I still think it's fully possible to build an AT/ATX A1200 compatable board...
Start with a 68060 cpu. Decode the logic from the original chipset and write it to PLDs. Leave out unnecessary parts (such as the original AGA video, sound and PCMCIA). Add PCI support, and use RTG exclusively. Change out the CIA chips for modern UARTs. Use the Catweasel chip as a floppy controller, so you can use a regular PC floppy drive and still use Amiga floppies. Stuff like that...
Hell, most of the work has been done already by Elbox, IC, and others.
Someday I hope to build this board myself. :-D
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Wow I had no idea these boards were still around. I tried looking on ebay for them from time to time. At the time these were avalible I was waiting for the BoXeR or maybe an A/Box (or PreBox) Anyone remember these??
I had a dream of putting two of these Access machines side by side linked via Ethernet with some sort of RTG sysyem, one could handle the GFX and the other do AHI 14 bit Paula sound, I/O etc. Or even better play games of Super Skidmarks in "dual head", get two 4-player adapters and race eight of your friends. That could of been a killer console with a killer app.
Can anyone post some dimensions, this might be a better option than a CD32 for a laptop conversion. Yes I'm still going on about that laptop!
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Hmm, perhaps I'll build the laptop board instead... Just because no one else has even attempted it!
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my access is now fully installed into my amigaone :) , and it works :=) , so i wont emulate for now :)....
bzzzt
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Heh, mine is out of the AmigaOne again, but at least it gets used every day now :-)
It got too hot in the tower with both machines in there. Will be a bit better now the temperature has gone down...
But I was thinking of building the Access into the computer desk itself. At the very least I'll add another shelf to the desk so I can have all the non-towered machines there. Or just invest in a larger place to live...
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ACE wrote:
Can anyone post some dimensions, this might be a better option than a CD32 for a laptop conversion. Yes I'm still going on about that laptop!
It´s as wide as a 5,25" drivebay and 30cm long, i had the idea of making a laptop of one once.I should even have a saved e-mail somewhere about how much current it draws.
It could be the smallest amigalaptop in history! With a videolcd and flashpccard to ide-adapter it could be great.
I say go for it!
Now i regret spending all that money on pcupgrading last month :-( :boohoo:
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Dr_Righteous wrote:
Hmm, perhaps I'll build the laptop board instead... Just because no one else has even attempted it!
Why not a pda/small embedded board instead :-)
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I wanted one of these when I heard about them - way, way, way back then. They could have bunged em in a walker case :-D
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Dan wrote:
Why not a pda/small embedded board instead :-)
One word... POWER! I'd be doing well just to find compatable chips with low enough draw for a laptop.
I've been thinking about it and I think the best solution would be to build a replacement board for a common "old" laptop... Like an old Thinkpad or something. Much better than trying to reinvent the wheel :-D
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I must have one of these!
Unfortunatly, we're in the process of buying our first house so I'd have to sneak it past the gf :-)
and into my Full PC tower, networked to A1 :-D
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This was indeed before the Boxer. But it's a really interesting thing! :-)
Some questions:
I could find some serious use for this if I would be able to hook it up to a network, however it seems to be a little "unexpandable". So does it have A1200 style clockport(s)? What other networking options would there be?
Is there any way to use the ISA port, or is that only some 'dead weight'?
What Kickstart/Workbench version, and is that included?
Were there some other kind of software included, i.e. flash memory tools?
How compatible is the floppydrive to original Amiga disks?
Some webpages say it has a PS/2 style keyboard connector, other say Amiga (mini din), which one is it?
How compatible is it for old software and/or hardware hitting software, can most demos run on it?
What are the dimensions, especially, how deep is it (a little hard to make out from the pictures)? Do I need to cut a hole in the back of my tower? ;-)
Where did you get yours, what did you pay, and which model did you get?
Thanks ... :-)
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takemehomegrandma wrote:
This was indeed before the Boxer. But it's a really interesting thing! :-)
Some questions:
I could find some serious use for this if I would be able to hook it up to a network, however it seems to be a little "unexpandable". So does it have A1200 style clockport(s)? What other networking options would there be?
no clock port. realtimeclock on the board.
What Kickstart/Workbench version, and is that included?
3.1 don´t know if wbdisks is included
Were there some other kind of software included, i.e. flash memory tools?
My printout that was lying in the magazine with the article about it states"CDFS in Flashrom" so there must have been utilities for the flashmem, if you can get them somewhere i don´t know.
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It may be less expandable, but it does have Ethernet, which gives it good network potential.
It is 30 cm deep which means it would definately get in the way of a PSU, so you would probably need the lower of 4 5 1/4'' drive bays to find space for it.
I'm torn between trying to get hold of one of these or a CD32. The Ethernet might just swing it for me (although it is a bit longer and may not fit the laptop case I had planned!)
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@ ACE
AFAIK, there is no ethernet on the board? On no specifications/pictures on the net I see this mentioned/shown. However, I do recall reading about that it would be possible to use an ISA ethernet card for networking, but then you get the problems of getting the ISA port to work, as Iggy_Drougge wrote earlier: "According to one of the contemporary UK rags, you could run an ISA network card off it. Some sites which used the Access for kiosks allegedly updated all their systems via ethernet. The only question is where to get the drivers.". And then you will have to actually find an ISA ethernet card today, preferrably also a riser card to get it in a horizontal position ...