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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Phantom206 on July 08, 2003, 08:01:59 AM
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I want to know if now it's a good period to buy AmigaOne. Also if anybody knows if you will gonna have a dealer of Amiga in Greece (Greece full of Mikrosoft PC's ..Shit!!) :-D :-D
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Well, buying one now means you will allready have an AmigaOne when OS 4 arrives. It's unpredictable to say but there is a chance that the AmigaOne's will sell that well, stock might run out and you will have to wait.
In the mean time you can build the system and test your hardware so you can immediatly use AmigaOS 4 and not have hardware problems which might mean sending your AmigaOne back. You might even learn a littlebit of Linux which becomes everso more important these days.
Also, buying an AmigaOne will mean you show you're support to the AmigaOS4/AmigaOne combo with some financial support.
Both the AmigaOS4/AmigaOne combo and the Pegasos/MorphOS combo are unfinished products. It's just whichone do YOU want to see as a finished product! I allready made my choice( check the sig). :-)
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Id say yes.
It would be nice if this thread didn't end in tears but snowballs in a supernovae spring to mind.
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PulsatingQuasar: A trollish approach. Comparing apples and oranges here. But.. It's your view to this situation.
My view to original question. IF you are comfortable on potential outcome that OS4 never matetialises (or that it does not work as well as you want) you need to consider what to do with your hardware. As a generic Linux computer it's way overpriced and underpowered and even compared to eisting and widely available PPC-Macs it's not on same level.
Personally that amount of money (well over 1000 euros with necessary hardware) is so much money I need to see/test it well before spending it. Some may have that much to spend on hobby computer, I don't.. (this ain't my #1 priority in life)
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I am absolutely positively, without a doubt buying an AmigaOne.
However due to financial limitations, I can't get One till October. I have made a down payment, though.
By not buying One now, I also alleviate the crunch on them producing the boards (and thus can sell to potential people NOW, who may lose their nerve later, or give up waiting and buy a pc, like one other person did recently).
I'll get a G4XE @ 800 MHz or higher. And 2 Gigs. of ram.
AmigaOne! :-D NOTHING like IT!!!!!!! :-D
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I want to know if now it's a good period to buy AmigaOne.
The decision is absolutely emotional. No one wants an a Linux box so expensive and troublesome. (With troublesome I mean it's PowerPC, which has worse support than X86 Linux) Still no one knows how good/bad OS4 will be.
So those who already bought an AmigaONE did that purely based on emotions - yet, I don't want to underestimate the power of emotions. They keep our life in movement.
So put your hand on your heart and say out loud: do you want it or not?
If it is what you've dreamed of, and have the money I say, go for it. If you want to be rational, then the answer is "not" or "not now", and buy something else or wait how this will turn out in the end.
Whatever your decision will be: You will not be disappointed. It's almost impossibble psychology wise. :-)
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Well, mine arrived just now! WOOHOOOOO! :-D On the downside, I have to wait 8.5 hours until I can take it home and set it all up! :-o :-x
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@Xeron:
Congratulations ;-)
ey! This is my 200th post :-D
@Phantom:
If you like linux buy it, but if it doesn't appeals you I would wait until OS4 is ready because prices of VGAs, hds, etc will fall in those months. In addition to that if you buy it when OS4 is ready you'll be able to buy the best supported gfx card. You can buy a gfx card now but you can't be sure that it will be 100% supported (unless you buy a Voodoo3, of course). Hard drives will be cheaper and faster...
I only say this because I think that I wouldn't use Linux much... if you plan to use it (with MOL for example) it's a good moment. As I reply to the friends who ask me about what computer should they buy "Buy what you are going to use" if you plan to use Linux A LOT for 6 months or so buy an AmigaOne. If you don't know Linux, try it on a peecee before you buy the One. Most of people (me included) think that using linux is a pain in the ass :-D
For example if you configure your gfx card badly, you end up fiddling with configfiles lost in the hard drive, and you don't have a 640x480 16colour mode to repair what you messed up... :-/
No, definitely I don't like Linux... :-D
Even windows is more user friendly...
If you LOVE linux go on and buy the One. If you don't, wait until OS4 is here...
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Phantom206 wrote:
I want to know if now it's a good period to buy AmigaOne. Also if anybody knows if you will gonna have a dealer of Amiga in Greece (Greece full of Mikrosoft PC's ..Shit!!) :-D :-D
If I were you I would wait until OS4 is released in public for the A1 board. Because after all, that is what you are looking for (a new Amiga) right? Sure you can use Linux in the meantime, especially if you are somewhat of a Linux Expert (it might take some tinkering on a low level, which is not necessary on most of the "beginner friendly" x86 distros), but Linux is not the main point with the board. If you are really looking for a Linux machine (and if you are new to Linux) then a x86 mobo is better suited; better price, better performance, some drivers and some of the more interesting software comes in precompiled x86 binaries only. We have seen many testemonies of A1 customers who just put their board in a closet while waiting for OS4. So my advice to you is to wait. The non-legacy-hardware version of OS4 is still (at least) half a year away. The price can only go down from here and who knows, better hardware might pop up in the meantime?
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Note that who already bought AmigaONE say "go for it!", those who haven't or have chosen another way say "wait till it arrives and you can see". So in the end, it's up to you. :-)
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Well I got mine NOW, and its set up, and running.
(not online yet - I need to remember where I put my 9 pin serial cable D'oh !)
I say running - I mean its RUNNING like Forrest Gump bursting for a slash 30 miles from the nearest toilet !
you dont really need to know that much about linux, especially if you start a fresh hard drive, and can therefore use the Eyetech instructions, assuming you build it yourself. if you do, it'll be so rewarding to send your 1st email/make your 1st posting !
Also if you are used to NT as I am, on a similar spec PC (ie similar Clock, RAM etc) then you will be surprised how this thing flies - I did a rough check, and worked out it took a minute to get to the point to run programs in the Gnome envronment - that includes pressing the ON switch, waiting for the 5 seconds countdown, and getting my login / password wrong ! (silly boy - D'oh !)
Also, if you buy now, you may well be in time to catch the Earlybird offer - OS4 for free when it comes out.
(note to JoannaK - I said WHEN not IF - I believe this will happen (dunno WHEN though ;-) ), but it will. I spose it depends on how one views a glass of water :-D )
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Phantom206 wrote:
I want to know if now it's a good period to buy AmigaOne.
Yes now is really the best time for buying!
Judging from others experiences, it will probably take around 6 months for your order to be shipped which takes you to January 2004 and by then OS4 for the A1 will probably be almost complete!
Also if anybody knows if you will gonna have a dealer of Amiga in Greece (Greece full of Mikrosoft PC's ..Shit!!) :-D :-D
Damn Microsoft PC's :) I won't even allow one in my house.
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Unless you have a really slow computer that's currently driving you mad, I'd suggest waiting. You'd most likely have to wait a spell while everyone's shipping AmigaOnes to the people who have ordered before you. And as said before, until AOS4 comes out, you'll be running linux if anything on it.
BTW: Anyone else notice that anytime AmigaOne or Pegasos is the subject of discussion, there's always at least one post that remarks about the thread erupting in to a flame fest? Perhaps we should appoint someone to do a running commentary on these discussions? :-P
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I echo the suggestion of waiting unless you don't mind running Linux untill AOS4 comes out... However I also suggest that AROS for PPC would be a worthwhile excuse to go ahead and purchase an A1.
This has been an unsponsored and unaffilliated plug for AROS :-P
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@Lando:
As far as I know, Amiga dealers have G3 and G4 XE's in stock now, and the waiting time should be a lot shorter.
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Agafaster: Well.. Most likely it's When . But I don't want to make vague promices for someone who is thinking on spending 1200-1500 Euros to a new computer hardware. For comparision (sorry) I have also recommended people not to upgrade Pega1 to G4 .. it's not IMHO good move (rather wait pega2) but full discussion of it goes way out of this thread topic, let's just say I tty to evaluate value/cost and see what's likely to best approach.
Good thing in this situation is that Hyperion people have learned a lot during last 2 years. Like some hareash relities of OS porting. If they were start it now, they could avoid some blunders, like way too overoptimistic shedules shown on year - year and half ago... We could have avoided a lot unnecessary fights here (and on other boards etc) if people had got more realistic info of project progress from the beginning.
And the really big question WHEN? I have to say it'll take some time still to get OS4 to Aone cause they don't have PPC coded CSPPC version of it either. But any detailed quesses would only lease those pointless fights so.. We'll see when it's ready.
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BTW: Anyone else notice that anytime AmigaOne or Pegasos is the subject of discussion, there's always at least one post that remarks about the thread erupting in to a flame fest?
Looks like its you this time.
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You should buy itnow if you have the money , like i did some months back (for the xe) but if you are ANTI linux like me then i guess you will do the same as me...use it only for a few hours/days...while u wait for os4.
i really dont have any clue why i bought it back then when i knew os4 wouldnt be out yet but i dont regret buying it as now i have the hw atleast ... 1 less thing to think about :)
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lempkee wrote:
i really dont have any clue why i bought it back then when i knew os4 wouldnt be out yet but i dont regret buying it as now i have the hw atleast ... 1 less thing to think about :)
Waiting for the Peg2 or OS4, or whatever promised here lately to come... Is like preordering the 3rd part of "The Matrix" without seeing it. Will it be as stunning as the first one? Will it be so crap as the 2nd? No one knows, but everyone has very strong hopes/feelings/clairvoyance about what it will be like :-)
(sorry for bringing Matrix into the thread :-))
It's not only about taking the red or blue pill. It's something like predicting the future, and making the best guess in advance. Not an easy task :-)
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@warface:
Note that who already bought AmigaONE say "go for it!", those who haven't or have chosen another way say "wait till it arrives and you can see". So in the end, it's up to you.
Very nicely put. :)
Sincerely,
-Kenneth Straarup.
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@ lempkee
You should buy itnow if you have the money , like i did some months back
But what if the price drops drasticly in the coming 6+ months? What if there will be a new and better A1 by the time OS4 is usable on the A1, like a micro-ATX DDR based motherboard with a faster and cooler G4, priced at say €499 or better? Do you still think that your recommendation is sensible? Will you really loose anything at all by "wait and see"?
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I would make a recommendation, but it doesn't do any good.
Just think about this, you can buy an 800mhz/G4 linux box for $800US motherboard only...or a faster linux box (pc) for $199 from wal-mart, that includes everything except the monitor and runs more linux programs.
Neither run OS 4 today, one will run OS 4 someday, but not the cheap PC.
However, after spending only $199 on a computer, you can run linux all year, and buy an AmigaONE when OS 4 comes out.
Hopefully by then the price on an AmigaONE will have dropped in half. If the price doesn't at least drop in half, there is no future to that platform anyway. In my opinion, after selling to the fan base, the market will simply dry up.
If on the other hand, it does drop to volume pricing, OS 4 will flourish, but you can always buy it when the price is reasonable.
The reason this advice will be ignored by some is because they want to have an AmigaONE now, even if it doesn't run OS 4, even if only to say they were an early adopter.
Well its their hobby, if they need that, obviously they should go for it.
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NO!!! The AmigaOne is the DEVIL!!! just kidding. :-P
Speaking of PPC stuff... My Pegasos should be here tomorrow or Thursday.
We're always going to have a rift between A1 and Peggy, always. The funny thing is, I'm sure all the software written on the Peggy will be ported to the A1 and vice versa. The Peg2 will r0x0r! We should just be happy that after all these years SOMEONE (or two) finally came through. I cant wait to see what games and applications are around the corner for these systems.
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@takemehomegrandma
But what if the price drops drasticly in the coming 6+ months? What if there will be a new and better A1 by the time OS4 is usable on the A1, like a micro-ATX DDR based motherboard with a faster and cooler G4, priced at say €499 or better? Do you still think that your recommendation is sensible? Will you really loose anything at all by "wait and see"?
With that kind of resoning you will end up dying before you buy anything. There will always be something better and/or cheaper if you wait.
So my answer to your question would be, Yes you could loose your life :-P
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I bought my a1 800mhz g4 xe to take advantage of the offer to get os4 for free, plus i can afford it. ill be waiting for os4 now.I would say if you dont want to use linux then wait till os4 is out if not join the rest of us and get your a1 and build it ready for os4.
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fjudde wrote:
@takemehomegrandma
But what if the price drops drasticly in the coming 6+ months? What if there will be a new and better A1 by the time OS4 is usable on the A1, like a micro-ATX DDR based motherboard with a faster and cooler G4, priced at say €499 or better? Do you still think that your recommendation is sensible? Will you really loose anything at all by "wait and see"?
With that kind of resoning you will end up dying before you buy anything. There will always be something better and/or cheaper if you wait.
So my answer to your question would be, Yes you could loose your life :-P
:-)
Well, but since you will have to wait anyway ...
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Yup, Hindsight is always 20:20, but if you dont try, you dont learn ! :-D
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this was in response to JoannaK, for those of us that dont like the threaded mode. :-)
I heartily agree with the sentiment of not waiting too long. I would also say to all those indifferent about Linux should get one if they have the dosh. (and are reasonably technically savvy you can make a bit of a saving) it is easy to use if you follow the instructions provided, and X (particularly Gnome) is quite intuitive (especially where windows isnt :-) ), and if that is still too much, get MoL.
that way (if you get in for the early bird) you will get Aos4 (eventually ! ;-) ) and you will already have the equipment.
I spent £700 on mobo, gfx, ram and cpu. that was about the price of an original A500 when it came out.
ok, that wasnt in kit form, but it didnt have a monitor either !
and besides, If I wont NEED to upgrade for 5 years, I'll be happy (I'll WANT to, no doubt, but hey, boyz toyz an' all that !)