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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: jimmyboy on October 03, 2007, 12:41:23 AM
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Any rumors? Any updates? Any release date?
Looking through Rogues posts in his regular haunts as most will know. Classic OS4 has been in the works since they 1st started on the OS and B/CPPC/Mediator support has been added :-D
I heard a rumor on irc that the only thing left is the installer which shouldnt take long.
Is it time yet for beta testers to break the scilence?
What have you heard?
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Don't believe it until you see it. I gave up over 2 years ago and sold my PPC boards. OS4 has no pulse, rigamortis has set in.
Sorry to be so negative, but that is reality. A person or 2 may or may not pick up flame throwers and aim my direction, but they've been doing that for years and still nothing has happened.
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as redrumloa says its over, aos4.0 is now as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.
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A1260 wrote:
as redrumloa says its over, aos4.0 is now as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.
An ashtray on a motorbike, now there's a new one I hadn't heard. :-D
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How about "as much use as a snooze button on a fire alarm" or "as much use as a choclate fire guard".
Back on subject tho... OS4 definately has been made for A1 and classic has always been slated to follow, why wouldnt they do it? I know there is supposed to be a possibility prob with lawyers or has that been resolved? Why would it be useless on classic? IMO it should be better than messing around with OS3.9 and all the dam patches and software, i hate clean installs it takes so long. There must be beta testers out there on this forum or some definate news. Rogue where are you.....
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@Starrfoxx
now there's a new one I hadn't heard.
It's easy to not hear new ones. It's not hearing the old ones that should concern you.
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jimmyboy wrote:
Back on subject tho... OS4 definately has been made for A1 and classic has always been slated to follow, why wouldnt they do it? I ..
Because only 60% of the five possible users said they would buy it!
It ain't going to happen!
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So they are basing it on 5 users? Were these the testers? Or was it a poll? I find this one hard to believe.
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5 user is a joke. I think hyperion can sell 500-700 unit for the classic version. Its not a high number but if they relase soon the ones who sold their ppc will buy againit just to see who it works. The price will be 100 EUR AFAIK. I think it will be out in this year. If not i get a g-rex and install morphos classic....
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The latest Classic version have been installed onto an Amiga4000 (mine), and was also available on an A1K2 at AmiCon a few weeks ago.
And it´s good, really good. I have no OS3.9 on my A4K since then.
My fav demo runs as hell on it, much faster than on a 060 under 3.9 (Respirator Stories).
I have no time to set up and install everything what i use daily, but sooner or later it will cover all my needs as OS3.9 did it before OS4.
Regards,
Reynolds
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According to Bill's recent letter to the Amiga community (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47115), they want to release OS4 "soon", and none of the delays were their fault :roll: So we're really no further forward. My suggestion if you must have a PPC Amiga-like OS now is to use MorphOS.
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moto
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"chocolate teapot"
and
"Glass chisel"
are personal favourites...
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Agafaster wrote:
"chocolate teapot"
and
"Glass chisel"
are personal favourites...
My favourite is "inflatable dartboard."
To be at least a little bit on topic, there is a classic A1200 PPC/BVision here waiting to have OS4 on if only someone could sell it to me!
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According to Bill's recent letter to the Amiga community, they want to release OS4 "soon"
If they had common sense they would release OS4 to run in macintosh G3, G4 and G5 computers, they could sell thousands of copies of the OS since the hardware is cheap to get. Wait, who am I kidding, common sense left a decade ago :lol:
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jimmyboy,
Any rumors? Any updates? Any release date?
I had to double-check your posting date to make sure it wasn't an old thread from circa 2003. That right there should tell you pretty much everything you need to know about OS4 on classic PPC hardware.
Why would it be useless on classic?
Who said it would only be useless on classic? It's a deadend OS, classic or not.
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jaseinblack wrote:
Agafaster wrote:
"chocolate teapot"
and
"Glass chisel"
are personal favourites...
My favourite is "inflatable dartboard."
... Solar powered torch. :-)
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Except that you actually get solar powered torches.
(which charge and store power during the day, oddly enough :) ).
-(e)
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Oh if we are going to be that pedantic, the chocolate teapot is useful when you are hungry.
(Sorry, stuck in work and I'm starving)
:-)
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sweetlilmr wrote:
Except that you actually get solar powered torches.
(which charge and store power during the day, oddly enough :) ).
-(e)
Spoilsport. :-P
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Rather than just keep saying its useless and a dead end maybe you could add an explaination?
Who is going to buy OS4 for classic? I will if/when released.
Are you just fedup of waiting? Did you sell your PPC cards thinking OS4 release would never come and now feel hatred towards OS4?
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I think new PPC accelerators for Classic Amigas would sell and help sell the OS. Plenty people still like to use the classic to run that old software/WHDLoad at the same time as newer stuff. I know I wouldn't buy another machine just for wordprocessing /internet, for that I already have a PC, but the classic has that special feeling:)
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as far as buying it do a poll....I'm in within the next 48hrs i know it would be up to 500 or so! I personally think it is coming just chill and wait
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I'm buying it for sure, "if/when..?". This dead-end talk is a bunch of cr*p. There can't be any clearer "dead end" than buying a PC. On almost any day I could find 3, 4, 5 year-old PCs piled up on sidewalks in the garbage. Thanks to obsolescence "built in", getting a PC is guaranteed fast-track to a dead end. PCs really are fast -- the fastest way to lose your investment.
Like pretty much everyone else, I use PCs all the time. I just view them as disposable commodities, the actual data being the only thing of value. Amiga hardware at least retains some if not all of its value.
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Any updates now we know its coming? What im asking about is software not hardware compatability. IP stack? DVD player? Browser? anything else?
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Any updates now we know its coming? What im asking about is software not hardware compatability. IP stack? DVD player? Browser? anything else?
It's funny you mention those particular things, because they're catered for. OS4 comes with a TCP/IP stack, an OEM version of DVplayer (to play dvds), and an OEM version of IBrowse. DVplayer is restricted to not be able to change skins or play AVI files, and IBrowse is restricted in some way I believe. I think it may be restricted to one browser tab. But there are no demo timeouts.
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Will it be possible to use whdload or classic demos/games somehow on os4classic?
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AFAIK os4 classic can use the AGA chips. Even u can use your os4 on an AGA screen. (of course a gfx card recommended.)
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But the 68k is emulated ? And all old stuff works ?
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krize wrote:
But the 68k is emulated ? And all old stuff works ?
Why would it be emulated? This is OS4 for CLASSIC, i.e. amigas that have a 68k cpu. In fact since it's for CLASSIC and requires a PPC chip there must be a 68040 or 68060 on board the PPC accelerator as well.
Andy
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Yeah, nothing would be better. But I would like this confirmed 100%.
Will whdload still work in Os4 ? And demos ? If it is, im buying for
sure :)
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@AJCopland
680x0 *IS* emulated. In fact, thanks to the JIT emulator, 040 users will notice that 68k apps run much, much faster. If you add that 98% of the OS is native PPC code you get a huge speed up.
You can also use simple skins like the used on OS3.x and you will notice the speed even more.
OS4 for Classic is more or less the same as the A1 version but with different drivers
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@krize
WHDLoad won't work. But you can reboot to OS3.x to launch your game easily.
Demos probably not, but depends on the OS-friendliness of the demo.
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Why would it be emulated? This is OS4 for CLASSIC, i.e. amigas that have a 68k cpu. In fact since it's for CLASSIC and requires a PPC chip there must be a 68040 or 68060 on board the PPC accelerator as well.
No, the 68k cpu IS emulated. I think they said something about "turning off" the 68k, as it made the PPC even faster. I'm not sure about the technical details though.
--EDIT: I've been informed on IRC that this is actually quite silly. I think the quote I half remembered was actually referring to the lack of context switches between 68k and PPC.
But the 68k emulation is reportedly very fast. Usually faster than an 060 on a CSPPC.. (of course speed will vary between different applications).
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This is what I thought, ofcourse :) Thanks guys.
Running a dual boot machine would be fun though, lets hope it get
released.
And os friendly demo ? Very few hehe :)
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Wow that's crazy. Still fair enough, my mistake.
Andy
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Luckily I bought PPC and Mediator before this "new wave of AOS4 booom". Dunno will I ever get an AOS4 but dual boot might be cool for start.
If classic hardware is emulated completly (where not using the real hw) and fast enough there is no reason to use AOS3.9 anymore then, is there? Still I doubt that all games and stuff would work perfectly on AOS4.
BTW. Acube & Hyperion seem to advertise AOS4.0 just for A3000 and A4000 amigas (http://www.acube-systems.com/compatibility/) . Is this some kind of sick A1200 racism or does A1200 really have so serious compatibility / performance issues???
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AJCopland wrote:
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In fact since it's for CLASSIC and requires a PPC chip there must be a 68040 or 68060 on board the PPC accelerator as well.
Hmmmm - I'm sure should the Elbox SharkPPC ever see the light, it will come with no 68k CPU - just PPC...