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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Nusim on October 01, 2007, 08:34:37 PM
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Thanks to the support of many people on this site we have been able to make the first donation to the TeamAros Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase II) Bounty. (http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=24)
That is the good news.
The bad news is that we are half way through our run of Nusim Minimig v1.1 PCBs. (http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZnusim1)
Grab them while you can!
Once we run out we will do a poll to see if there would be any additional demand.
Once again,
Thank you all for your support.
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I'm a bit confused about how the AROS kickstart ROM replacement relates to MiniMig. Is the kickstart replacement being ported to MiniMig so a real ROM is not required?
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moto
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Well, if it works in a classic Amiga, it'll work in Minimig. ;-)
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Hello
Minimig, AROS and the kickstart bounties are a pretty exciting mix.
Basically The kickstart phase I bounty would lead to a working port of AROS on classic Amigas including minimig.
As these machines are 68k + chipset then AROS will have achieved it's original goal of being 'binary' compatible with OS3.x.
However, at this stage minimig (and any other classic) still needs an Amiga Inc licensed kickstart ROM.
The kickstart phase II bounty goes a step further and replaces the original ROM with an AROS ROM. This, would completely open up the classic architecture allowing anyone to build on it and extend it. This includes being able to use high speed 68xxx cores within an FPGA. :-)
Imagine the same OS scaling from an A1000, minimig or A3000 all the way to an 3Gig x86-64!
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Wow, exciting stuff! Keep us posted :-)
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moto
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Great stuff Nusim!
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Where do I buy a board?
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gizmo350 wrote:
Where do I buy a board?
ebay
http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZnusim1QQssPageNameZSTRKQ3aMEWAQ3aMESOI
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Great work Nusim!
An extremely resourceful way of assisting the community as a whole.
Good luck!
James
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Has anyone assembled a v1.1 board yet? I want one but only after they are confirmed working.
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Hell yea, setting Amiga free! Stick it A.inc
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alexh wrote:
Has anyone assembled a v1.1 board yet? I want one but only after they are confirmed working.
I was expecting at least one person would post soon - Nusim has sold at least 7 boards and Xenepp has sold a few as well.
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As these machines are 68k + chipset then AROS will have achieved it's original goal of being 'binary' compatible with OS3.x.
Having the Phase I completed only would mean that you could boot AROS on an AMIGA/MiniMig as OS. It is not guaranteed that it will run your favourite application. The Phase II however should be "binary compatible" and include also a ROM replacement for MiniMig or the original AMIGA.
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tonyyeb wrote:
gizmo350 wrote:
Where do I buy a board?
ebay
http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZnusim1QQssPageNameZSTRKQ3aMEWAQ3aMESOI
What use is a bare board?
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jimbo100 wrote:
What use is a bare board?
Those people who wish to Source the parts, and solder themselves. But usually, those who can source the parts, and Solder SMC components, *USUALLY* know how to source their own boards too.
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whiteb wrote:
jimbo100 wrote:
What use is a bare board?
Those people who wish to Source the parts, and solder themselves. But usually, those who can source the parts, and Solder SMC components, *USUALLY* know how to source their own boards too.
Great for the 0.1% of people out there! For the rest of us a bare PCB is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike! As for paying 100 pound for a fully assembled board, a cheap A500 will do nicely!
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On behalf of TeamAROS, thank you for the generous donation!
Dammy
TeamAROS (http://www.teamaros.org)
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jimbo100 wrote:
Great for the 0.1% of people out there! For the rest of us a bare PCB is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike! As for paying 100 pound for a fully assembled board, a cheap A500 will do nicely!
A cheap A500, where the components are getting toward the end of their life.
If you had to make a totally new A500, using TODAYS off the shelf components, it sure would be costing more than the minimig. (And it would not be 12cm x 12cm). A500 does not have an inbuilt Scan doubler, Minimig does.
Half of the cost of the minimig, is low numbers of part orders, means higher cost, and given how Xenepp got stiffed by "Interested Customers", I am glad I am not doing a Full production run.
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A cheap A500, where the components are getting toward the end of their life.
If you had to make a totally new A500, using TODAYS off the shelf components, it sure would be costing more than the minimig. (And it would not be 12cm x 12cm). A500 does not have an inbuilt Scan doubler, Minimig does.
Think you missed the point. A minimig is for what exactly, just to play a few simple games! Granted it's nice and small! I wouldn't want a to buy a new A500 nor would I buy a new one for $240AU or 100 quid no matter how small it was!
My point is a $5 Amiga 500 will do the same thing and if it breaks well I'll spend another $5. It's going to take a few decades before the minimig pays for itself!
Half of the cost of the minimig, is low numbers of part orders, means higher cost, and given how Xenepp got stiffed by "Interested Customers", I am glad I am not doing a Full production run.
Agree with you there and yes it's sad that Xenepp has been duped by some end users but I suspect that the problem is bare boards are just useless to the majority of people as are expensive assembled boards.
I suppose it just goes to show there isn't a market out there for any new Amiga's!
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I'm not sure that Xenepp's problem is entirely that he got duped. I know that I was on the list for one of the fully populated boards. This means I was one of the first 9 to request one. After Xenepp said he couldn't assemble them, I followed up with a PM to let him know that I would still be interested in the bare board.
The response I got was "If you were in the first 9 then you'll have an email today, if not then it'll be two weeks time."
I have yet to hear anything else from him. Now, if Xenepp says that I am the sole person to slip through the cracks, I will not argue, but I know that I was one of those that requested one, and I have not been given the opportunity to purchase it.
I have since purchased a board from Nusim. It has arrived and looks good. I would still be willing to purchase the board that I agreed to from Xenepp, but that offer will not be out there forever, as the primary reason for purchasing a second board would be to honor my agreements.
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jimbo100 wrote:
Think you missed the point. A minimig is for what exactly, just to play a few simple games! Granted it's nice and small! I wouldn't want a to buy a new A500 nor would I buy a new one for $240AU or 100 quid no matter how small it was!
My point is a $5 Amiga 500 will do the same thing and if it breaks well I'll spend another $5. It's going to take a few decades before the minimig pays for itself!
Agree with you there and yes it's sad that Xenepp has been duped by some end users but I suspect that the problem is bare boards are just useless to the majority of people as are expensive assembled boards.
I suppose it just goes to show there isn't a market out there for any new Amiga's!
Agreed - bare boards are useless to most of us. But a complete Minimig is worth £100 easy!
*Use of standard ps2 keyboard & mouse rather than expensive amiga parts.
*Loading games from adf (on the mmc) rather than unreliable floppies - most have mine have degraded from 1992!
*Make my own case for it - or a different one each season!
*Upgrade the base code when hard file support is implemented.
*Boot AROS on it.
Plus a few more that i can't think of right now. Plus its the first new Classic Amiga compatible hardware for years - and its open source!
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tonyyeb wrote:
Agreed - bare boards are useless to most of us. But a complete Minimig is worth £100 easy!
*Use of standard ps2 keyboard & mouse rather than expensive amiga parts.
*Loading games from adf (on the mmc) rather than unreliable floppies - most have mine have degraded from 1992!
*Make my own case for it - or a different one each season!
*Upgrade the base code when hard file support is implemented.
*Boot AROS on it.
Plus a few more that i can't think of right now. Plus its the first new Classic Amiga compatible hardware for years - and its open source!
Alrighty. I have been crunching some numbers.
Given the ROHS compliant FPGA's are out of stock, I have managed to find 3 (YES THREE) Lead based in stock.
Now These are cheaper (by US$6). I can order these right away, and when the boards arrive, get them made up.
5 boards being made. 3 *COULD* be made up pre-assembled.
Rough pricing is 90 GBP, US$190, AU$210.
I am waiting on word from one person, as to whether they are going to proceed, if they are, Then thats them all gone. (Two for them, one for me).
Now, why is that *SO* expensive ?, mostly because what is being purchased, is once off prices, Bulk Discounts do not kick in until at least 25 units.
On those prices above, add P&P, and Paypal Wants a cut for those paying via that method, as i am in Australia, they want a 4.4% fee for "Foreign currency" credit card transaction, or 3.4% in my local currency (On credit card payments).
I assume Paypal funds, to Paypal is Free.
Now, why minimig ?, as previously mentioned..., PS2 mice, PS2 Keyboards, USB mouse/Keyboard can be used via adapter, just dont Hotswap. BUILT IN 31Khz/50Hz Video (Scandoubler), FPGA is just a simple upgrade when core is updated.