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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Starrunner on September 18, 2007, 09:11:05 PM
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Today I find myself working out of AmiKit on my Dell from Hell using AWeb 3.5 inside of AmiKit. While an okay browser, I find that certain sites puke when I go to them. This got me to thinking, has anyone ever ported Firefox or Opera to the Amiga? Is there another Amiga browser that might work better than AWeb? I am asking out of idle curiosity on this one.
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You should try IBrowse 2.4 or Sputnik ;)
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Wow, you're opening up a can of @#$* here! A decent browser is what is missing on AOS for years and people have been complaining about it for years too!
In my opinion IBrowse is a better browser than AWeb, but it's not free and not even available for purchase at the moment either; you could download the demo though. This browser doesn't support more sites than Aweb though...
EDIT: Sputnik is available only for MorphOS for now.
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Starrunner wrote:
This got me to thinking, has anyone ever ported Firefox or Opera to the Amiga?
....because it's a {bleep}load of work, pardon my french.
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@Starrunner
has anyone ever ported Firefox or Opera to the Amiga?
No, and it's not going to happen anytime soon. For reasons, search the a.org forums.
Opera isn't open source anyway, so it cannot just be "ported".
[EDIT] Tried to rewire my brain [/EDIT]
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Piru wrote:
@Starrunner
has anyone ever ported Firefox or Opera to the Amiga?
No, and it's not going to happen anytime soon. For reasons, search the a.org forums.
Opera isn't open source anyway, so it cannot be just be "ported".
I did not realise Opera is not open source. I had a couple of friends who raved about it so I thought it was.
I thought that it would be a pain in the buttocks to port anything.
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@starrunner
Opera is not open source and thus impossible to port.. Firefox is open source, but sadly it would be a huge task to port it since OS4 is missing alot of components that firefox depends on.. There is however a project working on porting it though, but it seems like a port will at best be years away at current pace.
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Sir_Lucas wrote:
You should try IBrowse 2.4 or Sputnik ;)
How can one use Sputnik when it does not even exist for AmigaOS?
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Someone should port over Explorer :crazy:
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avant might be a good alternative though it is built off of IE. but better, don't know if it is open source though, and it is still being developed and updated.
As for amiga browsers, I also think the newest aweb aweb_apl3.5.09 isn't too bad. I've actually been to sites, where it outperformed ibrowse, though I'm only using the demo of ibrowse.
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People have been saying for years that "Mozilla|Navigator|Firefox will never be ported to AmigaOS because it's a lot of work and would take too long". But if somebody had started it back then it would probably be finished by now :roll:
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moto
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Finally got AmiKit working again on my Dell XPS, so I
will be checking out the AWEB and IBrowse demos that
come with AmiKit for a while (typing this into AWEB).
Amiga.org does not look bad on either and the speed
is acceptable for most things so far.
I am getting so sick of Windows, I plan to use AmiKit
a lot more for a while.
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I always found Voyager to be the best, if not extrely crash prone. Pity dev stopped on it. Bought the keyfile and everything
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@Piru
Well, there is something going on - link (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23653&forum=32#394251)... Probably...
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@Tomas
You can run Sputnik on Amiga.
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@mailman
IMHO that thread doesn't show any more promise than previous attempts such as http://amizilla.sourceforge.net/ (http://amizilla.sourceforge.net/)
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Piru wrote:
@mailman
IMHO that thread doesn't show any more promise than previous attempts such as http://amizilla.sourceforge.net/ (http://amizilla.sourceforge.net/)
At least the author does report from time to time the project status, althought generally only on the italian Iksnet forum. He's also AFAIK an OS4 betatester, so any problems derived from OS4 are easier to solve.
Varthall
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Sputnik runs on Amiga 4000 and A1200. I use it almost every day.
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on morphos though not AOS im guessing somehow
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avant might be a good alternative though it is built off of IE. but better, don't know if it is open source though, and it is still being developed and updated.
Impossible even if it is open source, considering that it is completely dependent on IE. Avant is afaik just IE with another frontend and some extra addons.
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Sir_Lucas wrote:
Sputnik runs on Amiga 4000 and A1200. I use it almost every day.
Amiga running MorphOS i guess? I was talking about AmigaOS though..
The thread starter talked about AmigaOS running under emulaton on a PC.
But anyways... with that reasoning you already have Firefox running on Amigas, since it runs under linux :-P
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Sir_Lucas wrote:
Sputnik runs on Amiga 4000 and A1200. I use it almost every day.
Ok i've never heard of this and i pride myself on such events! last i heard it was morphOs pic&everything! not amigaOS. show me and tell me how to get it! ;-)
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Opera isn't open source anyway, so it cannot just be "ported".
Ah, but Opera *Mini* is a Java app. A reasonably complete Java Virtual Machine could do it. I know Tao did a lot of work on this, but I am not aware of anything being released that could run on Classic Amiga, or for that matter, at all.
Java never caught on as a super-duper web scripting language (it was supplanted by server-side code driving AJAX, a library kit that papers over all the brain damage in MS IE), but it does seem to be successful for cross-platform apps (it papers over the brain damage in Win32). It sure would be nice to run a java-based Palm-pilot suite or Quicken clone (called Moneydance) on AmigaOS.
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Yeah, you are right. I run Sputnik on my Amigas using MorphOS.
It's simple, get yourself MorphOS PowerUP which is for free and download Sputnik ;-)
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It would be easier to port an x86 VM to amiga os and run firefox under linux in said VM than port firefox to amiga os.
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Sir_Lucas wrote:
Yeah, you are right. I run Sputnik on my Amigas using MorphOS.
It's simple, get yourself MorphOS PowerUP which is for free and download Sputnik ;-)
Somehow I don't think that will work on the thread starter's Dell AmiKit setup. Please try to keep your replies ON TOPIC! :roll:
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Thanks guys for the infos. I don't mind using AWeb 3.5 now that I know it's limits. If I ever get my 1200 on a network connection, it will be the browser.
As an aside, I noted in AmiKit that when you go through the menus options under Internet there is an option that says WinSide. It shows both IE and Firefox as options but doesn't allow me to do anything with them. Is there something I am missing on this?
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All Amiga browsers are rubbish, some are a little less rubbish then others but rubbish they are.
Unfortunately browsing on an Amiga is not even viable.
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motorollin wrote:
People have been saying for years that "Mozilla|Navigator|Firefox will never be ported to AmigaOS because it's a lot of work and would take too long". But if somebody had started it back then it would probably be finished by now :roll:
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moto
Yeah but Mozilla|Navigator|Firefox V1.0 isn't much use now anymore either ;-)
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@ CLOCKMSTR
clockmstr wrote:
All Amiga browsers are rubbish, some are a little less rubbish then others but rubbish they are.
Unfortunately browsing on an Amiga is not even viable.
You are obvioiusly a genious in this area so do us all a favour and WRITE A BETTER BROWSER!!
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zyphoid wrote:
You are obvioiusly a genious in this area so do us all a favour and WRITE A BETTER BROWSER!!
You don't have to be a genious to see that browsers on the Amiga cannot compete to even old versions of windows/linux browsers.
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Tahoe wrote:
zyphoid wrote:
You are obvioiusly a genious in this area so do us all a favour and WRITE A BETTER BROWSER!!
You don't have to be a genious to see that browsers on the Amiga cannot compete to even old versions of windows/linux browsers.
Not true. everyday browsing is usually a good experience on Amiga - in my experience IBrowse 2.4 on AOS4 in PPC is good - only a few extras are missing - CSS being the most important, with Flash among others. but on the converse, browsing in IE can be a pain in Ar5e too.
besides, I used to do my surfin' and mailin' on an 8MB A1200/030 - at the same time ! (bit of a squeeze but I likes a challenge ! ;-))
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I wasn't talking about "experience", that's a very personal thing. I said they cannot compete. You think they can? Could someone with a PC background switch to AWeb or Ibrowse and agree with you on experience?
Be fair; how about Flash? You can't use youtube eh? How about ActiveX? Shockwave? Realplayer? Quicktime? Ajax? XML? RSS Feeds?
Not even talking about speeds, opening even Amiga.org on a 68060 Amiga takes 10x longer then my PC.
IE surely isn't everything, but there are various others to choose from, Opera being one I use frequently. Or Firefox, ofcourse.