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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: gary_c on July 03, 2003, 09:03:05 AM
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A message from bbrv sent to the Phoenix Resellers group (and posted at the Phoenix site (http://phinixi.com/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=29)), as well as in the MorphOS Shows thread (http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&nid=368) at MorphOS-News.de clarifies the Pegasos II and G4 situation, and also goes into ideas about marketing. It's also mentioned that there's a QNX port in progress for the Pegasos, which is the first time I've heard about that.
-- gary_c
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Interesting. They say they have no working prototype yet (just "samples from Marvell"), but they claim to be able to deliver a working Pegasos II board by September.
Is it just me, or is anyone else thinking "Teron is to AmigaOne as ??? is to Pegasos II"?
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Have to say.. I was expecting a bit more by this time.. But they have time, but quite little room to manouver around delays/ potential problems..
And yes.. having to use those 'matched pairs' on Pegasos-1 G4 upgrades is an interesting info.. Could explain a lot
;-)
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Does this mean no G4 upgrades next week? Oh well, the usual cut and thrust of trying to deliver IT products!
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Here may be some helpful information:
1. 200 Euros is still the price for the upgrade you just need to exchange the mainboard too. This way we make sure everything works.
2. We have development boards from Marvell. This testing resolves the final layout issues on the Pegasos II. Frankly, there is a new layout, but *everything* is not changing. We will have the first samples next month.
Everything is consistent with what we have said with the exception of selling the G4 CPU alone as we cannot guarentee that it will work. We are just trying to be responsible.
We will not sell what will not work as it should. If something does not work we will replace the item directly. We have demonstrated this through the whole Betatester situation and will in the future for the Pegasos II.
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill :-)
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25,000 units/month
That is a HUGE amount. (Althought it's the maximum amount possibble) Did I read that right?
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We will not sell what will not work as it should. If something does not work we will replace the item directly. We have demonstrated this through the whole Betatester situation and will in the future for the Pegasos II.
I can testify that. My friends board which got damaged during transit has been replaced without questions. This is what I call a service :-)
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That was a interesting thread indeed! :-)
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I checked into the thread because I saw QNX. I'm stoked about getting to see QNX on the Pegasos. I've talked to Dan Dodge a few times recently, introduced him to BBRV and Genesi, and talked about how to get this rolling.
QNX as a company and as an OS is phenomenal and I'm pleased that this is happening! This will certainly be good for QNX-based companies and OEMs because it opens up the selection of PPC-based boards to them - and for Genesi because some of those companies and developers and OEMs who use QNX for their enterprises and products are REALLY connected and involved in large and interesting work. Embedded, industrial, aerospace, medical, telephony, mobile tech, connectivity ... should be cool for developers too : }
Sorry I didn't remember to mention all that to you, Gary. Oops.
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@ BBRV
Frankly, there is a new layout, but *everything* is not changing.
(OK, /me trying to sneak some info agan :-D):
It will have DDR and a faster FSB, right? That would cover most of my wants&needs for the Peg2! :-)
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Stuff QNX.... AROS will soon be the OS of choice on the Peggy :-)
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QNX on the Peggy box? Yum Yum! Interesting!
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QNX that is good its a nice os just not that many aplications progress is going well nice to hear things are on scedule. :-)
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nice to hear things are on scedule.
and rockin'? ;-)
Hope QNX does hit the Peggy. I love it more than BeOS, but AmigaOS is still my first love in the OS world.
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I can testify that. My friends board which got damaged during transit has been replaced without questions. This is what I call a service
And I can second that. My first Peg1 died a painful death in the first 18 hours. They replaced it promptly! I am very impressed with the quality of service I have received from Genesi. :-D Awesome! :-D
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Ah, QNX has *lots* of apps - but most of them are only seen onsite at various facilities, or in devices all over the place, or carrying network traffic ; }
That makes them a good target for developers.
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greenboy wrote:
Ah, QNX has *lots* of apps - but most of them are only seen onsite at various facilities, or in devices all over the place, or carrying network traffic ; }
That makes them a good target for developers.
QNX is nice selling argument among industry. Workin QNX port will open quite many doors to Pegasos sales.
And... it's not all bad for use, even though I rather take MOS or BeOS for my pega.
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QNX? , good
I've used neutrino and momentics on x86, I was glad to see an included I.D.E. and the linux compatibility stuff.
configging my netcard has been a source of contention , other than that , no complaints.
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greenboy wrote:
I checked into the thread because I saw QNX. I'm stoked about getting to see QNX on the Pegasos.
QNX would be a very nice match for Pegasos's small form factor. Looks like a (pleasantly) tough decision will be which OS to use for a given task. You can kind of see a spectrum with QNX at one end (hard realtime), Linux toward the middle (server and other embedded uses, and also desktop), and MorphOS at the other (desktop, but maybe edging toward the center for Genesi's other products). And then there's NetBSD, OpenBeOS, AROS, etc. with their own niches and potential. Some people are going to have a lot of boot options. :-)
Sorry I didn't remember to mention all that to you, Gary. Oops.
No problem; I've had plenty to think about and do anyway. Finally got my Pegasos wired up last night. (Making the whole thing a family learning experience, I let my son Drew handle some of the small-finger-space tasks. ;-) It's neat when small kids want to get into it and there are some things they really can do better than us. :-) (Photo report coming eventually.)
-- gary_c
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On my original betatester (#2) we thought I had a problem with the hard-drive and they sent me another at no charge and without even asking me to return the original first. I did return it later though. So the commitment to customer service goes back to the earliest Pegasoses they sold.
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by greenboy on 2003/7/3 11:30:15
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Ah, QNX has *lots* of apps - but most of them are only seen onsite at various facilities, or in devices all over the place, or carrying network traffic ; }
That makes them a good target for developers.
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I must admit that I'm baffled by your conclusion regarding the existing applications for QNX and how that lends itself well to a mass market environment.
That gearheads are really enjoying writing custom low-level applications couldn't be further from what "developers" are looking for. Most developers I know want to write a few programs and sell them for big bucks to hundreds of thousands of no-too-discriminating buyers.
It seems from your statements that the most sought after software for doing QNX applications is going to be software development tools as opposed to applications and entertainment software.
Then again, there's a wide open market entirely lacking in software with mass market appeal. Chicken and egg anyone?
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I must admit that I'm baffled by your conclusion regarding the existing applications for QNX and how that lends itself well to a mass market environment.
I think you and greenboy are actually on the same page here. When he says 'developers,' I don't think he's necessarily talking about the mass market. I believe his point is that QNX on Pegasos may open up some opportunities in vertical niches, embedded applications, etc. specifically because these don't require the broad effort that succeeding in the mass market does. It's developers in these areas that may see some opportunities. If a specific need can be identified and a QNX/Pegasos solution provided, then it's a simpler task to handle things like hardware support, enduser support, sales, etc., since it's a closed system. I don't know if QNX/Pegasos complements or competes with Genesi's existing non-desktop products (POS and video, IIRC), but overall having QNX available would have to be a plus.
-- gary_c
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It's all software, and it's all development. Some guys like writing for and designing underwater robots that circle around the north pole for thousands of kilometers mapping the sea floor and taking samples - and then surfacing every so often to fire off packets of data to the nearest satellite. They like bringing science fiction into reality, and get a kick out of seeing things like that running for year after year with maybe an occasional remote software update or driver replacement, and no fatal crashes and barely an iota of downtime.
Go figure ; }
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BBRV, hear this: I want those gigabit ethernet ports, in plural, and I will hold you responsible if they're not there on my birthday.
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Well I was told before October of this year....I sure hope so.
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takemehomegrandma wrote:
It will have DDR and a faster FSB, right? That would cover most of my wants&needs for the Peg2! :-)
Looking at the specs from Marvell I see no mention of higher FSB. The memory bus is 183MHz DDR, but they're still using a 133MHz 60x/MPC connection to the CPU(s). Right? But I guess 133MHz is higher than the 100 people are using on the Peg 1 ;-)
Oooh, that was a flamebait. Sorry :-)
I have a hard time believing in September for release, though.