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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: rednova on August 22, 2007, 09:38:23 PM
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friends:
I have a sgi o2 working fine. It has 300mhz speed +256mb ram
and a 9 giga hd. Is there anyone would like to swap my o2 for an a4000 in good condition and hopefully with nice specs?
Thank you...
rednova
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Friend:
SGI it is a silicon graphics computer, namely the o2. It is a great computer for 3d grafix and animation...and is a few years old...very valuable. It is working fine. It is the high end of graphics computers...very valuable.
cheers!!!
rednova
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There are many O2's on eBay at the moment, ranging from $10 to $100. Unfortunately, A4000's go for up to tenfold that amount, so I wouldn't get my hopes if I were you..
By all means, they are awesome workstations. I've been working with O2's on several occations and they were superior on 3D graphics back in the 90's.
Good-looking piece of hardware, too.
Shoot, now I want one.
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I remember when SGIs sold for thousands and thousands of dollars and were incredibly fancy machines. Are they even real market players anymore?
Anyway I also dont think you're going to get this trade. You might be able to find someone who'd trade an Amiga 2000 for it, but you'll be pretty lucky if you find someone who'll trade a decked out 4000 for it. Who knows though... good luck!
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Friend:
It is true you could get one cheaper from ebay. But this system is reliable and in good working condition. And it can easily outperform an amiga 4000, at 300mhz+256mb ram.
I still think it is a fair trade for an a4000.
Thanks!!!!
rednova
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And it can easily outperform an amiga 4000, at 300mhz+256mb ram.
You're right. However, performance isn't the main factor here.
You may have more luck finding a trade if you posted to some video/graphics oriented forums rather than an Amiga forum. Maybe you can find someone with an old Amiga video editting setup who wants to upgrade. To that sorta person, an Amiga 4000 is kind of an old piece of junk. To an Amiga enthusiast, good luck convincing them that your SGI is better. Its just a matter of your target audience.
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I'd never trade my 4000 for an SGI. Maybe that SGI is valuable but not to me. I don't think you're going to find a lot of people here to do this trade with.
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Dear Friends:
You are right..an amigan has not much value for an SGI, only a video/graphics person.Thanks for pointing this to me.
I respect your position. I will only trade if someone wants to. If no one wants..that is fair.
rednova
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The trade is more then fair, perhaps people don't know about it, but it's way more powerful then any Amiga.
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Agreed. If I had 2 Amiga 4000s, I might consider it, even knowing that an A4000 is worth much more on ebay. I'm not a big believer in ebay prices.
That said I dont have even 1 Amiga 4000 so its kind of a moot point.
I do think posting the same message in a video/graphics oriented forum might get a better response.
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Its not about pure power... otherwise dump all old computers.
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The word "powerful" is meaningless (a cliche, really) because just like "innovative", "fast", and "intuitive" it has been over-used and abused, especially in technology circles, for years. Elephants are "powerful". I don't want one of those in my livingroom, either. That SGI may indeed be more "powerful" than any Amiga. But no way is it better. I will be very suprised if you find a taker (I mean sucker..) to do that trade.
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I think it just depends on one's needs... as has been mentioned, it very well could be a "good deal" for someone who has an unused A4000 laying around, doesn't care about amigas, and just wants to accomplish a specific task that the SGI is better equipped for. Not everyone thinks old amigas are totally sweet like we do. :-P
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there's an A4000 Toaster/TBC/PAR system on ebay.. bid on it.. oh yea, its one of my backups and it works PERFECT!
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You who'd never seen an SGI working would be astonished by what it can do.
@stopthegop:
Beside being plain rude your wording clearly shows you have no clue about it...
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hamtronix wrote:
Its not about pure power... otherwise dump all old computers.
Indeed, it's not about power, but there are few computers that were able to achieve broadcast video quality, SGI just happens to be one of them.
I had an Amiga, PPC et all, but nowadays being given to choose between one Amiga and a SGI I would chose the former as I'm perfectly satisfied with UAE.
SGI was a legend in all that was video related, and what it has reached cannot be emulated...
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You can't have my A4k, but I'll trade my 4 Indy's for that O2 :D
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The SGI's are decent boxes (and they look pretty friggin sexy), but I suspect that a 4000 with an 060/PPC combo accelerator, PCI busboard and Voodoo3 RTG is the better system.
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The main problem with SGIs is that Irix is a pretty shortbus-riding Unix. You can run Linux on them, but then you probably cant run the cool SGI graphics software. Guess it depends on your needs.
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That SGI may indeed be more "powerful" than any Amiga. But no way is it better.
Thanks for providing me with my "idiotic quote of the week".
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there is nothing wrong with that 'quote'
why don't you trade your Amiga for some Celeron 300a, with integrated gfx, that is cheaper than most bigbox Amiga and very 'powerful' compared to them..
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there is nothing wrong with that 'quote'
why don't you trade your Amiga for some Celeron 300a, with integrated gfx, that is cheaper than most bigbox Amiga and very 'powerful' compared to them..
You've obviously never even touched an SGI.
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I've played with O2, and I didn't see anything special in it. Pretty sluggish OS and couple of fancy eyecandy apps.
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You've obviously never even touched an SGI.
So in your view anyone who hasn't touched an SGI is an idiot? Okaay..
I think most of us here have at least 'touched' an SGI. I'm not an expert on SGI systems such as yourself, but I have enough experience with them to know they are not as easy to use as an Amiga. Not 100% sure but I also don't think the OS is modular, as the Amiga OS is. Since your expertise with SGI is so much better than everyone else's, perhaps you can confirm this?
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If you're not into video then what CAN you do with a o2? Me thinks there isnt as huge of a software vault like Aminet for SGI machines.
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If you do find someone willing to trade and they have more 4000's to get rid of, i have a shed full of 02's and octanes :)
BTW if anyone is interested in one and are willing to collect from Lincolnshire UK, i can probably sort you out a nice SGI base unit for not a lot of cash.
Gaz
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You can do pretty much anything you can do on any other unix box with Irix. Run firefox, pretend to do work in Open Office, etc. Run apache, snort, blah blah. It's just another unix box with weird hardware.
I recently gave away all my SGI gear, I hardly ever used it, and I didn't really need a pile of antiquated gear in my closet. I also have gotten rid of my dec crap and my sun boxes. I don't use any expensive proprietary software on the nix machines, so it doesn't make sense to keep the old dinosaurs around.
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So in your view anyone who hasn't touched an SGI is an idiot? Okaay..
I find it strange when a native speaker doesn't quite get what is written in HIS native language... :roll:
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There's professional software, it is a dedicated machine for the purpose f doing video, not an all round machine who has once sold by the millions.
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There's professional software, it is a dedicated machine for the purpose f doing video, not an all round machine who has once sold by the millions.
oh ok, then for sure nobody is going to trade for a machine as boring as that. hell i wouldnt trade my A500 for it. (unless I could ebay the o2 for alot of $). lolz
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Actually, the O2 was NOT a decicated video box. It had some use in the video production market, but it's INTENDED use was as a low-end graphical workstation to muscle in a bit on Sun's turf... Of course it failed, but that's life.
The only Unix hardware I would trade an Amiga for would be NeXT hardware (prerable a NeXTStation Turbo Color)
Link to the system in question: http://lowendmac.com/next/nscturbo.html
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Wow, religious fanatics are funny... Amigas were awesome computers in their day (which ended 12 years ago). They're still lots of fun as toys and have lots of nostalgia value. However, the people who are shouting rabidly about how Amigas are sooooooooo muuuuuuuuuch betterrrrrrrrrrr than [insert other things here] in this thread kind of remind me of 45 year old guys with long thinning hair and worn out Anthrax tshirts complaining about how any music aside from 1980s metal is "lame." Nostalgia is one thing, but desperate clinging to the past is kind of sad. There have been plenty of computers made since the Amiga which are cool, and substantially better than Amigas. That doesn't lessen the value of Amigas. While I'm sure that had Amiga survived, modern Amigas would be way cooler than most other modern machines, that didn't happen and there hasn't been a new Amiga since Escom's version of the 4000T (unless you want to count prototypes like the Walker).
If you don't like SGIs and don't want one, don't trade for it. There's no reason to sit here like Grumpy Old Man {bleep}ing about how awesome the past was and how everything else sucks.
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@madcrow:
I reiterate: it was a "low-end graphical workstation" mainly used for video*! :-P
*taking into consideration the quality it achieved and the fact that graphic conception isn't a stank container, it should be noted that it could also be used for many other graphic related works.
Thanx for the link btw
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murple wrote:
Wow, religious fanatics are funny... Amigas were awesome computers in their day (which ended 12 years ago). They're still lots of fun as toys and have lots of nostalgia value. However, the people who are shouting rabidly about how Amigas are sooooooooo muuuuuuuuuch betterrrrrrrrrrr than [insert other things here] in this thread kind of remind me of 45 year old guys with long thinning hair and worn out Anthrax tshirts complaining about how any music aside from 1980s metal is "lame." Nostalgia is one thing, but desperate clinging to the past is kind of sad. There have been plenty of computers made since the Amiga which are cool, and substantially better than Amigas. That doesn't lessen the value of Amigas. While I'm sure that had Amiga survived, modern Amigas would be way cooler than most other modern machines, that didn't happen and there hasn't been a new Amiga since Escom's version of the 4000T (unless you want to count prototypes like the Walker).
If you don't like SGIs and don't want one, don't trade for it. There's no reason to sit here like Grumpy Old Man {bleep}ing about how awesome the past was and how everything else sucks.
Better is something relative and subjective.For example what is better a 70´s dodge avenger or a 2007 ford mondeo, obviously the mondeo is newer and has more technology but has nothing special is another car more, however the dodge avenger is a legend a classic and is more special
In whatever case change an a4000 for a O2 is the most idiot thing you can do.Not because is better or worst but because you can sell an A4000 on ebay a get enough money for buy 2 or 3 O2 on ebay
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pixie wrote:
You who'd never seen an SGI working would be astonished by what it can do.
@stopthegop:
Beside being plain rude your wording clearly shows you have no clue about it...
I would be interested in seeing a quicktime video of what you consider so "astonishing" that the SGI can do. I am sure it was a very capable machine many years ago, but I agree with the rest (at least most of the others) that are here in saying that an Amiga is the better value and more useful. If the SGI O2 was so fantastic it would have a larger user base still and command a higher price to obtain one at eBay or any other auction site. Like most here, I will stick with my Amigas and pass on your offer to trade unless you can demonstrate something amazing your SGI can do that I can't accomplish on my A4000 Toaster/Flyer and do it at least two or four times faster on the SGI. What software are you offering on the SGI? Does it come with a monitor, keyboard, mouse? 300mHz and 256mb RAM does not sound like much these days, so you need to sell the idea of trading your SGI in some way to make it sound like a good trade, and I have not seen anything you have written yet to entice anyone here. You have only been argumentative about the opinions of Amiga users and what we think our Antique Computers are worth and you have taken offense in many cases, where I don't think you should have. After all everyone is entitled to their own opinion and Amiga users here at A.org will obviously prefer Amigas over most, if not all other choices in computing.
Good luck with your attempt to complete the trade. I hope you can obtain an A4000 in some way as they are great fun and when expanded fully with the right parts, can produce AMAZING video results. :-D
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I would be interested in seeing a quicktime video of what you consider so "astonishing" that the SGI can do. I am sure it was a very capable machine many years ago, but I agree with the rest (at least most of the others) that are here in saying that an Amiga is the better value and more useful.
Amiga is/was a desktop machine which had some professional software/hardware, SGI was just a professional machine. As for usefulness, as I said before I already have one machine which presents all Amiga's usefulness and more, yet doesn't present O2... as such I find it more valuable. That's MY line of thinking.
I will stick with my Amigas and pass on your offer to trade unless you can demonstrate something amazing your SGI can do that I can't accomplish on my A4000 Toaster/Flyer and do it at least two or four times faster on the SGI.
It's about software/hardware, I wasn't talking about OS here, as such I have to say that SGI machines are faster then any Amiga built, and could easily render effects 2 to 4 times faster and render 3D scenes also faster.
What software are you offering on the SGI? Does it come with a monitor, keyboard, mouse? 300mHz and 256mb RAM does not sound like much these days, so you need to sell the idea of trading your SGI in some way to make it sound like a good trade, and I have not seen anything you have written yet to entice anyone here.
I don't have one, but I'm guessing that there's not many Amiga 4000 with 256Mb out there with a 300Mhz CPU nor with a broadcast signal... I might be wrong then :-P
After all everyone is entitled to their own opinion and Amiga users here at A.org will obviously prefer Amigas over most, if not all other choices in computing.
What!?!!? Are you talking to me!? :-P It's like this as much as I enjoy Amiga and it's software it's not as if I could dissociate it from reality. There's things where it excels there's others where it doesn't. For me is about seeing what's good and what it ain't so it can be bettered.
As I understood the trade was about an Vanilla A4000 against an O2, to me I don't see it as unfair, the fact that there are those paying lots of money over a second hand Amiga 4000 has IMO with the fact they acknowledge what it is, and the fact they liked to have one in the past and only now have money to acquire it, where SGI only some would know what it is and yet less what to do with it.
RealTime effects (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7613153876150757401&q=o2+sgi&total=8&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3)
Horse's mouth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZMushCnp6o)
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I use the processor heat sink from an Indigo 2 as an ashtray. My a3000 filters cat hair out of the air.
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murple wrote:
kind of remind me of 45 year old guys with long thinning hair and worn out Anthrax tshirts complaining about how any music aside from 1980s metal is "lame." Nostalgia is one thing, but desperate clinging to the past is kind of sad.
try the 70's, 80's metal is lame. hahah :-D
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I bet it can't run one of my old favorites. Nuclear War :-o After all I wouldn't still have an amiga if it were not for the software.
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in this thread kind of remind me of 45 year old guys with long thinning hair and worn out Anthrax tshirts complaining about how any music aside from 1980s metal is "lame."
Hey, what gives? I'm in my *30's*, I'll have you know. :lol:
As for the trade... I agree that with the price differential, you're not likely to have many takers. But the SGIs really have a special elegance to them, and a hardware build quality (and weight) you don't often find. They're cool machines. I don't use my Octane that much, but it's still one of the favorites of my collection.
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murple wrote:
If you don't like SGIs and don't want one, don't trade for it. There's no reason to sit here like Grumpy Old Man {bleep}ing about how awesome the past was and how everything else sucks.
Nobody's said that SGI sucks, they've just said that they like the Amiga better. SGIs happen to look cool and have cool software available. Sadly said software is VERY expensive, whereas the Amiga has loads of excellent software available for cheap/free... I also suspect that an 060+PPC Amiga with lots of RAM and a Voodoo3 would wipe the floor (performance-wise) against a low-end SGI, but even that may not be true as the ammount of PowerPC software for the Amiga is so low.
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pixie wrote:
I find it strange when a native speaker doesn't quite get what is written in HIS native language...
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pixie, you can obviously read, but let me help you out a little with comprehension.
The original comment was mine:
That SGI may indeed be more "powerful" than any Amiga. But no way is it better.
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To which B00tDisk replied:
Thanks for providing me with my "idiotic quote of the week"
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To which orange replied:
there is nothing wrong with that 'quote'...
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To which B00tDisk replied:
You've "obviously" never even touched an SGI.
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To which I replied:
So in your view anyone who hasn't touched an SGI is an idiot?
See how this works? B00tdisk asserts I'm an idiot for making a comment she disagrees with, and orange an 'idiot' by association. Similarly, she states it factually "obvious" that orange has never touched an SGI. If you follow the statements, the implication is clear: That I'm an 'idiot' for saying something she doesn't like and orange is an 'idiot' for defending it. Just as its 'obvious' neither of us has ever touched an SGI. Follow?
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See how this works? B00tdisk asserts I'm an idiot for making a comment she disagrees with, and orange an 'idiot' by association. Similarly, she states it factually "obvious" that orange has never touched an SGI. If you follow the statements, the implication is clear: That I'm an 'idiot' for saying something she doesn't like and orange is an 'idiot' for defending it. Just as its 'obvious' neither of us has ever touched an SGI. Follow?
Following that path of events one cannot assert that he's calling you idiot by not using a SGI, but for not using a SGI and yet providing such quote.
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Following that path of events one cannot assert that he's calling you idiot by not using a SGI, but for not using a SGI and yet providing such quote.
That was my interpretation as well.
"D00D Ive nevar used one but I gnow they are teh suxx0r!!"
K. Thanks for playing. Next topic!