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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Miloo on August 17, 2007, 03:34:43 PM

Title: NEC USB CARD
Post by: Miloo on August 17, 2007, 03:34:43 PM

I want to get a pci usb card, elbox want 64 euros for theirs and it uses a NEC chipset but i can get a usb pci card with the NEC chipset on ebay for £4.
Has anyone tried the multimedia drivers with other NEC usb cards?

Title: Re: NEC USB CARD
Post by: jj on August 17, 2007, 03:54:22 PM

The elbox driver for the mediator check for the productID and elbox basically buy cheap nec cards, change the productID and then insist you but them for a masssive massive mark-up.

As people found if you try changing the drivers the get around this, there is/was RDB trashing ccode in the drivers.

Do a serach on here for the full story

Title: Re: NEC USB CARD
Post by: derringer3 on August 17, 2007, 04:00:05 PM

I try to use nec usb card on my mediator. It seems its got 2 working hub, but i cannot use my pendrive. Maybe it is the fault of posseidon which is not support mediator now, or i missed something.

Title: Re: NEC USB CARD
Post by: swift240 on August 17, 2007, 04:04:10 PM

I have said this before time and time again, because its "Amiga" we get ripped off and treated like they are doing us a big favour.

Title: Re: NEC USB CARD
Post by: Piru on August 17, 2007, 04:52:48 PM

@derringer3

Elbox "Spider USB" driver specifically checks for the Elbox modified PCI ID. It does not work on stock NEC cards.

Some background info (http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/elboxdecrypt/)

Title: Re: NEC USB CARD
Post by: derringer3 on August 17, 2007, 05:27:57 PM

@Piru: Yeah, true, but i tried it with arakattack+openpci. Not with the mediator drivers.

Title: Re: NEC USB CARD
Post by: Piru on August 17, 2007, 05:48:23 PM

The original question was about the "multimedia drivers" with regular NEC card, though.

Title: Re: NEC USB CARD
Post by: rkauer on August 17, 2007, 07:13:41 PM

There is some workaround for this issue?

Title: Re: NEC USB CARD
Post by: Piru on August 17, 2007, 07:16:19 PM

Technically it'd be trivial to hack the driver, but I guess no-one want to hurt Elbox' business.

Oh, and it'd be illegal, too.

Title: Re: NEC USB CARD
Post by: murple on August 17, 2007, 07:40:41 PM

I'm somewhat doubtful that their actions are legal everywhere either though... trashing hard drives without warning due to presence of another brand of hardware, or preventing the operation of competitiors products (Subway/Hiway USB) seems questionable and unethical at best.

Title: Re: NEC USB CARD
Post by: Piru on August 17, 2007, 07:44:34 PM

Then again two bad don't make one good.

Title: Re: NEC USB CARD
Post by: rkauer on August 17, 2007, 07:47:26 PM

 I mean, I don't want to hack the driver. Just some OTHER little APP to protect the RDB from be destroyed!

Title: Re: NEC USB CARD
Post by: murple on August 17, 2007, 08:15:02 PM

Assuming you don't redistribute the driver, I'm not sure hacking it would be illegal. Even if it were illegal, thats probably what I would do... well, except that I have no need for PCI or USB in my Amiga haha.

Title: Re: NEC USB CARD
Post by: rkauer on August 17, 2007, 08:53:23 PM

Quote

murple wrote:
Assuming you don't redistribute the driver, I'm not sure hacking it would be illegal. Even if it were illegal, thats probably what I would do... well, except that I have no need for PCI or USB in my Amiga haha.

 If you read that mishmums when installing any software, you ALLWAYS can read: "...reverse engeneering, ...blablabla... is forbiden."

 BTW: I don't need USB in mine 1200T + Mediator (Voodoo 3 and PCI NIC), too.