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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Everblue on August 10, 2007, 05:45:31 PM
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http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2007/08/efika2-4u.html
Genesi announcing that Efika is already getting a new revision... Efika2.
Now, considering that:
1. Morph OS hasn't even come out for the first Efika
2. Many online stores have been selling Efikas for €200 or so, only for Genesi to drop the price to USD100, undercutting all sellers with a price they cannot match
3. They are stuck with Efikas that now that Efika2 is announced, no one will buy...
What do you guys think of this?
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Nothing like a bit of positive spin, eh.
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Sure, take a shot :D
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3. They are stuck with Efikas that now that Efika2 is announced, no one will buy...
People were buying Efikas before the announcement??
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No :D
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Not with that ridiculous P&P they're charging: Efika $99, shipping $79...
I'd still be better off buying an Efika from Vesalia for 190€: shipping 5,50€, taxes paid - and no warranty issues overseas.
Oh btw: the p&p is just a rip off: it's much lower if you buy a complete - and much heavier - client package.
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What do you do with an Efika, sans Morph OS? :D
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You can do many things, but the driving concept is Compounding Development (http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2007/08/compounding-development.html). Look here:
EFIKA Project Blogs (http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/program/efika)
Perhaps, the EFIKA is not the ultimate sales target...;-)
Best regards,
R&B :-)
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I am talking for an Amiga user's point of view :-D
This, after all is Amiga.org.
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I am also still waiting for a release of MorphOS for EFIKA.
Is MorphOS for EFIKA ever going to be released or do I turn my EFIKA board into development board for Linux/QNX/MobileGT ?
:-)
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Is MorphOS for EFIKA ever going to be released or do I turn my EFIKA board into development board for Linux/QNX/MobileGT ?
Don't forget AROS (http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=46).
Dammy
TeamAROS (http://www.teamaros.org)
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Hey, I have an EFIKA...
I'm glad to see that a second revision is being developed.
I'm running Debian Linux on mine, its pretty cool. I hope that Morphos does become available soon though. Linux seems a bit heavy even with a light desktop.
I live here in Canada, so mine only cost $99, and about $12 to ship. The Canadian dollar is worth about the same as US dollar.
I'd consider purchasing the new model, but not before MOS is available.
My 2 cents...
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Yes i would like to buy an Efika, but only when MOS runs on it.... Hey what about an EFIKA/MINIMIG combo?
That would run everything amiga :D
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Everblue wrote:
Genesi announcing that Efika is already getting a new revision... Efika2.
Now, considering that: (What do you guys think of this?)
1. Morph OS hasn't even come out for the first Efika
That the Amiga and clones market is not their major target? (For obvious reasons)
2. Many online stores have been selling Efikas for €200 or so, only for Genesi to drop the price to USD100, undercutting all sellers with a price they cannot match
3. They are stuck with Efikas that now that Efika2 is announced, no one will buy...
Yes, baseless announcements are the curse and downfall of this market - except that they have a fair rate of making them reality. Yet, considering that most MorphOS/Amiga users are still holding their breath till MorphOS 2.0 is released, I don't think it matters much... "talking for an Amiga user's point of view".
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First of all this is an Amiga forum so you'd expect people to care for Amiga related stuff first and foremost....
Then, what I said is not that "baseless" .... I contacted both Vesalia.de and AmigaKit.com asking them when they will start selling Efikas at USD100, and they both said they are not able to sell their remaining stock at that price.
Maybe they were lying?
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I've been waiting for awhile now for MorphOS to come out for this. I'll buy one as soon as that happens. Otherwise its just a little Linux machine
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Exactly my point.
spihunter wrote:
I've been waiting for awhile now for MorphOS to come out for this. I'll buy one as soon as that happens. Otherwise its just a little Linux machine
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Everblue wrote:
First of all this is an Amiga forum so you'd expect people to care for Amiga related stuff first and foremost....
Then, what I said is not that "baseless" .... I contacted both Vesalia.de and AmigaKit.com asking them when they will start selling Efikas at USD100, and they both said they are not able to sell their remaining stock at that price.
Maybe they were lying?
nope they are not lying at all. They have purchased and paid in ADVANCE for theys boards before the super-special-mumbo offer.
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Well to be fair I dont think Efika is targetted at end users, but at developers. Any machine without an OS is useless to end users - yes I know its 'runs' Linux, but it seems to be too slow to be anything useful at that.
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I expect by the end of the year you'll have AROS and MorphOS running on it, so that makes it pretty cool, and frankly complaining about a product moving forward is silly, its what we should want from our hardware. Do you also get upset that noone makes 40 Meg drives anymore, they have gone to those Terrabyte sized ones now, for cheaper then I bought my first 40 Meg drive for and much faster and much much more reliable.
-Tig
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I bet Morph OS will be released in time for Efika2.
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Efika2?
Linux on a crappy underpowered ppc board? No thanks.
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Tigger wrote:
I expect by the end of the year you'll have AROS and MorphOS running on it, so that makes it pretty cool, and frankly complaining about a product moving forward is silly, its what we should want from our hardware. Do you also get upset that noone makes 40 Meg drives anymore, they have gone to those Terrabyte sized ones now, for cheaper then I bought my first 40 Meg drive for and much faster and much much more reliable.
-Tig
Expectations are cheap.
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Linux on a crappy underpowered ppc board? No thanks.
Then don't buy it. Pretty simple, huh?
Dammy
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Some folks find it interesting and this raises the whole profile of the Community.
http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/5993
Solaris for PowerPC also targets the board.
BTW, the AROS EFIKA will ship out tomorrow. We missed the FedEx cut-off today.
R&B :-)
P.S. Every little bit helps from wherever the support comes from...
http://osuosl.org/info/sponsors#genesi
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dammy wrote:
Linux on a crappy underpowered ppc board? No thanks.
Then don't buy it. Pretty simple, huh?
Dammy
.. and he won't.
But that's the point he's trying to make isn't it? What's the point of buying this thing until AROS or MorphOS is available to try on the Efika?
Linux on it is pointless, when you can get much better results with any half-modern x86 machine lying around.
From what I understand the Efika was built in-mind never to actually be a desktop machine anyway.
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I don't see the point of jacking off to a low end ppc board. Who cares if it runs Aros? I think its good the code base support multiple procs. I'm not buying a crappy ppc board to run aros when I can literally pickup a second hand PC from a thrift shop for 50 bucks that would blow it out of the water in performance.
Until MorphOS ships with the Efika, it's an exercise in masturbation, period. And it's still an exercise in masturbation to pay good money to run MOS on a low end ppc board.
If you want Aros, don't bother with this board. If you want MorphOS, i understand that, but don't buy this hardware until MorphOS ships with it. Who the hell buys a product that doesn't do what they want on the promise that it will sometime after they buy it?
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Maybe you would prefer QNX?
National Instruments and QNX Software Systems: EFIKA OEM Bundle (http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/6208)
The NI Week 07 Gallery (http://www.genesippc.com/gallery/149) is now online. For the NI USB DAQ (EFIKA!) (http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2007/08/ni-usb-daq-efika.html) it was a good show!
R&B :-)
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If you want Aros, don't bother with this board.
AROS is being ported to multiple archs, PPC is one of them with the assigned EFIKA bounty an SAM440 as an unassigned bounty. If the hardware fits a need, go for it. I happen to think EFIKA size and power requirements could yield some interesting markets.
Dammy
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Maybe this explains it all better...
AROS EFIKA and more... (http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2007/08/aros-efika-and-more.html)
Best regards,
R&B :-)
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koaftder wrote:
Who the hell buys a product that doesn't do what they want on the promise that it will sometime after they buy it?
*Cough* Amigaone *Cough*
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Gah, nevermind.
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koaftder wrote:
I don't see the point of jacking off to a low end ppc board.
Until MorphOS ships with the Efika, it's an exercise in masturbation, period. And it's still an exercise in masturbation to pay good money to run MOS on a low end ppc board.
As opposed to what? Waiting for a second hand Peg, or Peg2 to come up on ebay for £300-ish?
The MOS team have made a great decision in my opinion - support a cheap board which Anyone can afford to buy, and most importantly, is in production. Once MOS is released I will be buying one.
I know , I know - it's not the Amiga way. We are Amigans! We will pay hundreds of pounds for hardware which costs pennies for other platforms.
Also, you seem to have a fixation with calling things an exercise in masturbation.
Personally - and I know this is a bit weird - I prefer sex. Computers are for doing maths and for entertainment.
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Look, I'm just saying it doesn't make sense to pine over a board that isn't all that interesting, it's just one board in the giant sea of embedded hardware. I'm not going to buy an Efika on the promise that the software I want to run is going to exist at a later date. This is AmiLand, the land of broken promises.
Lots of people around here bough an efika when it first came out. What do they have right now? A low end ppc linux box. I just can't get pumped up over a low end linux box. I got lots of crap boxes floating around here, i just don't need another linux box. I don't need a mos box either, but i'll buy an efika when it comes with MOS in the box just 'cause it'll be fun.
@bbrv, thats cool the stuff with NI. There are certainly more folks out there looking for labview solutions than amiga oriented customers.
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Do you also get upset that noone makes 40 Meg drives anymore,
No, but maybe he gets upset of seeing a 1000 links to blog posts on Amiga sites about a motherboard promising to run MorphOS "real soon now" and it never shows up. Then see's a new one is coming to replace the other one, so it's likely in our typical community fashion that the old one will disappear, MorphOS will never been seen for it, and we will see another 1000 new blog links to Efika 2 and then we'll be waiting god knows now how long for MorphOS on Efika 2 to come out "real soon now".
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@bbrv
Solaris for PowerPC also targets the board.
Solaris??
:roll:
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@bbrv
Maybe you would prefer QNX?
QNX??
:roll:
Try QNX.org and SOLARIS.org