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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: MickJT on August 06, 2007, 12:03:52 PM
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Hi guys, it's been forever since I did anything with AmiMSN.
It still connects & still works with a slight modification to it's login routine.
Should I bother to continue with it?
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@MickJT
Of course :D
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MickJT wrote:
Should I bother to continue with it?
YES!!! :-D
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Hmm, ok. Different response than what I was thinking.
I was under the impression since it uses 3rd party programs (some that crash on MOS/AOS4), and it's written in AREXX, and BitlBee servers at http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html work, that no-one would be interested anymore.
I'm pretty fluent at AREXX, but I can't code C for {bleep}, though can compile simple programs.. I can swear here right? :-) I'd love to learn C but i'm busier than I used to be. Not to mention C isn't where it's at. It's all C++ or maybe even C# now. What language do people learn these days?
Edit: Nice bleep there ;-)
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C++ is about it these days, along with SQL these days for me.
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Must admit, couldn't get it to work under 3.9.
Would be quicker to launch than an opening an irc client and logging into the Bitlbee.
Also less memory usage.
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YES ..please continue whit AmiMSN :madashell: :madashell:
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There is an AmiMSN client?
I might return to the trusty Amiga afterall.... =)
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Yeah man :-) For Os3.x you have AmiMSN..MorphOS have PolyGlot MSN client,OS4 have Epistula MSN client.. :roll:
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Yes please continue.
Carry on
Go forward.
DO not stop.
DO not halt.
DO not waver.
DO not be put of.
Mike.
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I dont care what language it is written in, as long as it works. :-)
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absoloutly, carry on regardless (time permitting)
its the people like me, who dont have a clue how to program, that totaly rely on people like you :bow:
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same as twizzle m8!
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Please Mick, continue/update/steal code/bribe M$ in order to upgrade your superb program. I use it very often.
C and C++ are languages not that complicated, at all. Shame Amiga don't have a visual C++ tool. Ooops, I forget about "Cubic", but it is far expensive piece of software and needs a very expanded Miggy in order to run:
- 800x600 screen ( @least), full color;
- 64 Mb RAM ( @least);
- '060 ( @ very least). :-(
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People actually use MSN? On any system?? I dont think I know a single MSN user on Amiga, PC, Windows, Mac, Linux, VAX, anything. While I'm all for writing tools to enable minority systems like Amiga and Linux to access proprietary networks and programs, MSN wouldnt be my first choice.
That said, if you're doing it, why not continue? Even if it doesnt get much use, it sounds like a good mental challenge, and it may benefit someone.
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If he doesn't continue, isn't there a Trillian clone on Amiga that would do MSN anyway?
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Please continue
Could you develop some sort of GUI to it ?
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swift240 wrote:
DO not stop.
DO not halt.
DO not waver.
DO not be put of.
Do Not Collect £200
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murple wrote:
People actually use MSN? On any system?? I dont think I know a single MSN user on Amiga, PC, Windows, Mac, Linux, VAX, anything.
i know it differs from area to area...pretty much all of south east asia/some parts of n. america use yahoo! messenger, most of europe uses msn messenger bar poland which uses tlen + gadu-gadu
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I don't know anyone who uses Yahoo meggenger.
Moust of my contacs use msn messenger and some use skype
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MickJT wrote:
Hi guys, it's been forever since I did anything with AmiMSN.
It still connects & still works with a slight modification to it's login routine.
Should I bother to continue with it?
Sorry for being O.T. - but please could someone explain to me what MSN is good for?
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What is MSN good for? Well, isn't it the most popular chat program at the moment? I'm surprised by whoever it was page 1 that said "Does anyone use MSN anymore?". What do they use now then?
This is a hobby program.
I'm going to at least release a version that will connect and work again.
I found something interesting.
Since I remember someone using OS4 not being able to use AmiMSN because of VintEval crashing, I decided to implement my own modulo function. I was going to use "Ev" to do the rest of the calculations when it failed to calculate this correctly:
892809265*242854337
You wouldn't believe how long it took me to figure out that that was the problem. I'm using "bc" now, but it's slower than VintEval. AmiMSN would do several calculations on 1 line, but i'm going to have to split it up now, and invoke the 3rd party program several times. This is only needed for a response algorithm when you sign in, and lasts no more than a couple of seconds.
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@MickJT
YES!
Definitely continue............we Dont really have an MSN Client for Amiga except Epistula which is only for OS4. We need it for OS3.1 so thanks for all your work.
Yes indeed lots of Americans use MSN............I personally think its the worst Messenger and people only use it because it comes with Windows and is the default chat program. Also Hotmail users use it.
By far Hands down the most popular in the USA is AIM/ AOL instant messenger with Yahoo messenger not far behind.
Nevertheless its good to be able to use all these chat programs so that people see Amiga is still kicking and fighting the good fight!
Thanks for all you do! I really appreciate it.
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New version is up.
http://members.ii.net/~trebs/AmiMSN/
If anyone here has AOS4 and/or MOS4, please give it a go.
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I used to use YIM and AIM, but to be honest nearly everyone I know uses MSN or XFIRE
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Seems to work on MorphOS 1.4.5
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Still have a problem under 3.9
"Unable to obtain ticket from" and gives an IP address.
Where am I going wrong?
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murple wrote:
People actually use MSN? On any system?? I dont think I know a single MSN user on Amiga, PC, Windows, Mac, Linux, VAX, anything.
You are lucky then!
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On AmiMSN web page you have info about this problem...
"If you get an unable to obtain ticket message, delete the stunnel.pid file. Do not delete stunnel.rnd"
that is reason why dont work..
Here works perfect under os3.9...only what I need is small cuty GUI :)
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@Voodoo
Cheers mate, I had read that and already deleted it when testing previous versions.
Didn't work then and doesn't work on the latest one either.
Any other ideas?
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Please, continue with your work!
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TiredOLife wrote:
@Voodoo
Cheers mate, I had read that and already deleted it when testing previous versions.
Didn't work then and doesn't work on the latest one either.
Any other ideas?
1) Real or emulated? If emulated, usergroup.library in AmiTCP:Libs/ ?
2) Any firewall installed that will prevent LAN connections to port 123?
3) @hotmail.com, @msn, or @somethingelse account?
With some further info and testing I should be able to get it going for you.
Stevo, can you run VintEval and see if it crashes on your system? I can't remember if it was just AOS4.
VooDoo, you can use BlackIRC/WookieChat/AmIRC. Check the readme.
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Heck YES!
I like your program so much I registed the name AmiMSN at yahoo.com! (Over a year ago maybe longer now, time flies when you get old :-) ) That's actually one of my MSN account login emails ;-)
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What is MSN good for? Well, isn't it the most popular chat program at the moment?
Well, in other platforms it may be the most popular chat program because it supports some sort of video streaming. You can see the person you are talking to. (I hope i'm not spreading cr*p right know, since i don't have any experience in other platforms)
On AmigaOS/MOS? I don't think so. At least not for me and for many other Amiga users. The IRC is the most popular protocol, afaik.
Anyhow, to answer your initial question: I would be interested in it if it would support that missing feature. Otherwise not.
If i want to communicate with someone, i will use the e-mail. If i want to do it in real-time, i will just use the IRC. Because there are good Amiga IRC clients and because i'm used to it.
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AmigaMance wrote:
If i want to communicate with someone, i will use the e-mail. If i want to do it in real-time, i will just use the IRC. Because there are are good Amiga IRC clients and because i'm used to it.
Agreed for the most part.
.. but this is for people who have friends with PC's that don't know how to use anything else.
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Now needs 020 :( Please change this, it isnt necessary
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Braddo wrote:
Now needs 020 :( Please change this, it isnt necessary
I dunno. I noticed earlier in the thread a mention of an "stunnel" file. If this is using SSL, it probably does require the 020 and an FPU for any semblance of speed.
I have a Solaris 7 machine running on a 40MHz SPARC. OpenSSL 0.9.8f speed on this is fair and usable if you don't mind waiting several seconds (between four and 10) to validate a 1024 bit SSL certificate. Then communication over an SSL channel can consume a notable amount of CPU resources.
Not saying it cannot be done on a plain-Jane 68k, obviously it can as the AmiSSL libraries based on OpenSSL 0.9.7g have a compile for 68k, I just have to wonder about performance at 7MHz.
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Now needs 020 :( Please change this, it isnt necessary
Please.. don't. I can not imagine that there is a single Amiga user who is still running apps on a 68000...
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@ least in Brazil we use MSN network quite often.
Some ppl prefer Google Talk or Y!IM, but they are not the majority.
Keep the good work!
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murple wrote:
People actually use MSN? On any system?? I dont think I know a single MSN user on Amiga, PC, Windows, Mac, Linux, VAX, anything. While I'm all for writing tools to enable minority systems like Amiga and Linux to access proprietary networks and programs, MSN wouldnt be my first choice.
That said, if you're doing it, why not continue? Even if it doesnt get much use, it sounds like a good mental challenge, and it may benefit someone.
Pretty much everyone I know is on MSN
I guess it depends what part of the world you are from
But I'd safely say that here in the UK MSN is the No.1 IM by a mile.
And it is for that reason I beg you developer to continue!
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I use MSN all the time... never logof....
But a Skype client to amiga, AmiSkype would be kinda cool..
:-D
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As somebody who is just getting back to the Amiga again I would be very interested in AmiMSN, I use msn messenger all the time and so do my mates so being able to chat to them on the Amiga would make my world so much easier.
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Keep it going!.....it astounds my friends to be talking to them from a 1989 miggy! :lol:
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DoogUK wrote:
Keep it going!.....it astounds my friends to be talking to them from a 1989 miggy! :lol:
lol i can imagine they must be quite surprised :lol:
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VooDoo wrote:
On AmiMSN web page you have info about this problem...
"If you get an unable to obtain ticket message, delete the stunnel.pid file. Do not delete stunnel.rnd"
that is reason why dont work..
Here works perfect under os3.9...only what I need is small cuty GUI :)
I have exactly the same problem here.
A4000/040 with OS3.9
If I could use AmiMSN, then I would not need to use my pc for much anymore :-D :roll:
Anyway, I really like the idea of AmiMSN :-)
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It asks me for the rxlibnet.library. Where can i find this file??
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Yes please, carry on your doing a good job there.
Mike. :-)
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After another hiatus, soon i'll be completing the IRC support (expect a month wait though), making the shell un-necessary.
I'll also be buying a sam440ep-flex when it's available and AOS4.1.
Don't expect me to learn any new programming language. I don't have the patience at the moment. I get home from work and want to relax :) (though i've committed myself to learning Japanese before 6 years time. I just like the language!) .. i'll definitely try to keep AmiMSN working, so even if I don't add features or fix bugs, I do check every now and then to make sure it still connects to the servers.
I know the last post is OLD (nearly a year).. rxlibnet is part of rxsocket. If you read the .readme, all the requirements are listed there with links to obtain them.
I hope this program continues to work if SabreMSN suddenly stops working. Sabre uses MSNP8 which could disappear any minute as XP support is phased out. Windows Messenger, bundled with XP, uses it.
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I've updated AmiMSN to work on OS4.1 (except file transfers may cause a crash).
An unreleased beta of SabreMSN can send files to AmiMSN successfully, too.
http://members.ii.net/~trebs/AmiMSN/
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@weirdami
If he doesn't continue, isn't there a Trillian clone on Amiga that would do MSN anyway?
The closest you would get to Trillian (msn, y!, irc, etc) would be
Jabberwocky, a jabber-client for Amiga OS.
http://jabberwocky.amigaworld.de/
I tried AmiMSN, among others for OS3.9, primarily for doing filetransfers.
I could not (either) get it to work fully, so I discovered Jabberwocky.
But since jabber runs over servers which often don't allow filetransfers,
I ended up using IRC instead (wookiechat).
I for one thinks it would be *NICE* with a fully fledged working messenger
for the Amiga, be it AmiMSN, Jabber or something else !
It should also be able to use other networks like yahoo of course.
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@Voyager74:
Try the jabber server jaim.at !
As far as I know, it *does* allow file transfers.