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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: yobsta on August 06, 2007, 03:08:51 AM
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I am just curious how many here use a mac instead of the usual pc .
I have been waiting for all these years for a new amiga but my patience has run out so i grabbed a macbook and its a breath of fresh air to use instead of a billyGates box.
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have had both for years;can't get too excited over either,computers are tools.If you find one that works better for you ,use it.
Programs are what we really use,not OSes.
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You should see the recent thread about Apple being the new Amiga... Macs are hardly in the same category as Amigas. Macs are designed around the idea that users are essentially retarded and need to have their options limited (witness the one button mouse, and Apple's history of hermetically sealed cases).
While Amigas are pretty easy to use, they always encouraged users to learn and tinker. Notice all the schematics and pin outs in your Commodore user manuals? Ever see that in a Mac manual?
Microsoft products are unusable garbage. Thats a given. Macs are only marginally better though.
You want a good solid system that carries on the spirit of the Amiga, get yourself a good modern Linux install.
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recidivist wrote:
have had both for years;can't get too excited over either,computers are tools.If you find one that works better for you ,use it.
Programs are what we really use,not OSes.
Agreed!
Got a Mac-mini.
Got an Ubuntu box.
Messed around with both for a while, they were both fun and interesting to start with, but I always come back to my Win-PC when I just want to get stuff done.
The mac is hardly used, software is too expensive, hard to source and not much choice.
My Ubuntu install broke after a few weeks on the net, never played DVDs all that well and was horribly slow to boot compared to Win2000pro on the -same- machine. Sure, I could spend a week digging through pages of piss-poor documentation, learning how to fix and tweak it in some arcane way, but meh.
For me it's not about the OS but the software.
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Using a Mac here...actually own two
Up until a couple of weeks ago I had to use both my Power Mac dual G5 and my Dell Workstation PC but since I bought a Mac Pro I can have both worlds....MacOS + Windoze so I have my Power Mac + Dell up for sale at the moment
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I have been using macs since 1999. Before that I toyed with Windows for a couple of years after I realized the Amiga wasn't coming back. The truth is that I just don't like Windows. It has no style and it is awkward. Mac OS X is amazing. It is based on UNIX (well, FreeBSD actually) but the GUI is very intuitive. And if you like programing like I do, it is a gift from God. All the same UNIX-based compilers and editors you get for LINUX but a much nicer looking machine to run them on.
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I don't and I won't.
this thread belongs to 'Alternative Operating Systems'
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Hi,
I own two Macs:
1. A Mac LCII, 68030, 4Mb RAM
2. A Mac Performa 630, 68040, 20Mb (!) RAM
:-D
Both were picked up for next to nothing from recycling centres and both work fine!
Definitely not as good as a similarly specced Amiga though!
- Ali
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murple wrote:
Microsoft products are unusable garbage. Thats a given.
that's obviously wrong, so don't say such trollish things...
*points at london stock exchange running Microsoft SQL Server 2000*
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yobsta wrote:
I am just curious how many here use a mac instead of the usual pc .
I have been waiting for all these years for a new amiga but my patience has run out so i grabbed a macbook and its a breath of fresh air to use instead of a billyGates box.
Well I used a PC from 1999-2003 but after all the nightmares and things going wrong with it on a near enough daily basis I "switched" to an eMac and the parents still use that PC today (although everything has been upgraded over the years).
Since I began using it in November 2003 the Mac has been 100% trouble-free in terms of reliability, with only a very rare kernel panic here and there which has forced me to reboot the system.
The only issue I ever had with it, and sadly I found was a major one, was the software front. Not even OS X can rival some things you can do with a PC. Macs are nowhere near as customisable for instance, nor is there anywhere near as much choice in terms of software, an Windows software is generally much cheaper.
I am now beginning the MCSE course for my future career so unfortunately for that reason and the reasons mentioned above I have retired the Mac a few days ago after nearly 4 years of daily loyal service to me.
I am now running a PC with Windows XP, and am enjoying access to lots of software that would simply be either A) near impossible to find for the Mac or B) Would have been expensive on the Mac.
I'm not a Microsoft-fanboy so please don't shoot me!!
I think Vista is a POS for instance! :lol:
Just stating my opinion after using both Windows and Mac for a number of years.
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Hmmmm...
My wife uses an iBook and I have a Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh.
It runs iTunes and plays music very well ;-)
Our basement has a couple of Linux-boxes and I connect to them from time to time if I need modern apps on my Mac. Apart from this I use Windows CE based stuff for my everyday computing.
I mostly just listen to music, check email and pay bills anyway.... :-D
I wonder if it would be enough for me to just get myself an Amiga again... :idea:
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Faithful Mac user here, both Intel and PPC. Only one Windows computer in my home, and that's my girlfriend's laptop. Everything else is either Apple or C=.
I use Windows at work (C#.Net developer), and I hate it with every sore muscle in my body. There, I just threw up a little in my mouth just by mentioning it.
But, hey, it pays..
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Macs are designed around the idea that users are essentially retarded and need to have their options limited (witness the one button mouse, and Apple's history of hermetically sealed cases).
You've been brain washed... :roll: Strangely, the moment I putted my two buttons mice on my macbook was the moment he started behaving as it never lived without one, besides there's nothing in the system demanding you to use left button apart from the implicit metaphor that you click and select with it.. besides, it gives you more options, if you click more time he assumes to push the contextual menu (ie- right button).
Having all the options in the book presented isn't sign of intelligence, showing the closest path to the solution is, and that's where Mac OSX, I cannot talk for past OS, but this lack of options you talk about is nothing I could present as bad, just a sign of ID( intelligent Design).
As for the hermetical cases, my macbook let me exchange ram just fine, and is as hermetical as my A1200 was perhaps, open it and guaranty is voided...
Now for the topic, I stop using PC almost in the moment I got my MacBook, I had just upgraded to vista and it didn't suspended to ram anymore. the time to boot it up and get all the programs running to a stateless machine as MB is just to tiresome...
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no Linux distribution is ready for mass market use. I've tried Ubuntu, PcLinixOS (windows-like but unstable), and fedora. Yes you CAN get them to use your video card properly but its a hassle. I never got sound to work. ubuntu would connect to the net but no internet app would see the connection. PClinuxOs corrupted one of my login files and after 2 weeks someone in the forums helped me work it out so i could boot it up again. 2 weeks later it wouldn't boot again and I'm on the verge of re-installing. And if u wanna tinker, the system uses cryptic directory and file names which bear no relation to what they do. eg Linux has an "etc" directory which holds important graphics driver files- how would a user know this? IMHO the problem with Linux is there are way too many distributions, so that the limited resources mean that they all end up half-baked.
Reminds of the Amiga when everyone was trying to make a buck by bringing out there own hardware and OS solution and in the end none of them made anything.
as far as Macs go they become obsolete even quicker than PC's: Apple kills support for older units in the OS after 3-4 years so that you can't even get a printer to work with older units, whereas most PC hardware until this year or so comes with at least Win98se drivers. I remember getting Encyclopeadia Brittanica to run on a P2 200 with Win98Se, the Mac version needed MacOSX. Why? windows is safe for a while yet
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No thanks..
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Since getting a MacBook Pro, My need for Windows has become less and less... I do have BootCamp on my machine for XP is there if I need it, but I've not booted it to it in for six months... Last I did was to play Oblivion... Since 99% of what I use my machines for now is Music Production OSX makes a lot more sense than Windows.
Certainly the ablilty of OSX to aggrigate devices and not crash/stutter (The CoreAudio seems to run RealTime!) under stress make it vastly superior to the nightmares that Windows gave me.
I apreaciate the comments that Mac's are for Retards... but I actually happen to like a Unix box that just works, each to their own I guess.
All intel Macs actually have two mouse buttons... The MB/MBP uses a multitouch mouse pad which is vastly superior to two buttons... You have to try it!
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murple wrote:
You should see the recent thread about Apple being the new Amiga... Macs are hardly in the same category as Amigas. Macs are designed around the idea that users are essentially retarded and need to have their options limited (witness the one button mouse, and Apple's history of hermetically sealed cases).
The one-button mouse really ruins everyting. So what if the OS supports several mouse buttons, and that Apple sells mice with lots of them, the damage has already been done.
While Amigas are pretty easy to use, they always encouraged users to learn and tinker. Notice all the schematics and pin outs in your Commodore user manuals? Ever see that in a Mac manual?
Let's see... a couple of standard USB ports... a standard firewire port... a standard LAN connector... A-HA! There's this oddball monitor connector which requires a 10$ adapter! Damn you Steve Jobs! Damn you! Why didn't you give me the pinout so I could build my own 20$ adapter!
Fortunately they designed this machine for retarted people, so it suits me perferctly. Retarted people, or special people as I like to call us, need special tools - gnu stuff, GCC, bash, X etc. To make this less intimidating, they've added a special GUI extracted directly from Teletubbie-land.
-- Peter
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I bought an iMac last October or so. Can't believe I put up with Windows for so long.
This weekend was "tax free school shopping" weekend in several states. I thought to go buy a laptop since some of them are so cheap these days (I don't need much). Problem is, Microsoft has made it so that you can't load XP on most laptops without running into hassles with drivers/etc..
So much for buying a PC laptop.
Now I'm looking in earnest at a 15" Macbook Pro (want the screen real estate more than anything else) and cannot fathom why anyone would buy a PC these days.
I have to agree, with a little exception that it might be the programs we use, "not the OS", but that's a little like saying "guns don't kill people, people do". The OS may not be what we use, but in the case of Windows versus Mac OS, Mac OS certainly makes using the applications a far more enjoyable, far less stressful experience.
It may be a matter of age. I certainly don't consider myself, or any of my friends who use Macs to be "retarded". We have just reached a point in our lives where we no longer get excited by computers and don't want to spend hours futzing with them to get stuff done.
I don't care how the Mac works, but there's absolutely nothing I've ever asked it to do that it refused to do. It's just easier and I don't have to worry about how to do crap, I just get it done..
The modern Mac is what the Amiga should have evolved into. Plain and simple. A great GUI with a way to get under the hood (the Mac's BSD roots).
Wayne
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The monitor connector is a standard monitor connector...it's DVI. I am using one right now connected directly to a DELL monitor (as a 2nd desktop). And if you old style need 15 pin vga connector it's included free with the computer... am I missing something?
Honestly people who keep going on about how macs are for stupid people and that they are incompatible and what not, harping this one mouse button crap, are obviously ignorant to the world of the modern mac.
I agree, I want two mouse buttons so guess what... I bought a 2 button mouse. Why is this a big deal? This has nothing to do with the operating system or the computer. It's a mouse.
And comparing a modern mac to an Amiga (suggesting that the Amiga is better) is so tragically hilarious regarding both hardware and software that there is just no need to argue the point.
I switched from Windows/Linux to OSX and I have never been happier. Linux is like driving a VW bus, and windows is like driving a ford escort.
Osx is like a luxury sedan... it does everything the other two do, but better, and in one well thought out unit.
It seems to me that the reason people bash macs is simply because they cannot afford one. It's a shame, I really wish they could because they are really nice.
You can complain about the tellitubby look all you want, but guess what? Yes you can change it. No, I don't mean with themes, I mean with Gimp. Or whatever graphics editor you choose, except Deluxe Paint of course.
For the curious, I show how to display the images for the DVD player in a few easy clicks:
http://www.cbmhacker.com/amiga/screen1.jpg
http://www.cbmhacker.com/amiga/screen2.jpg
http://www.cbmhacker.com/amiga/screen3.jpg
All of the images for the OS and ALL APPLICATIONS are in a simple subfolder... you edit the images however you choose. That's it.
BTW, I switched from Linux to OSX on my standard PC (web server) at home as a web server. Been running for a couple of years now no poblems.
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
But now I have a nice new powerbook thru work :) Our entire engineering / development team trashed our windows and linux boxes and switched to Macs. We do primarily java enterprise programming via Eclipse running JBoss for the app server, mysql for database, and Apache for whatever PHP code we use.
BTW, JBoss and mysql come installed already with the os, and a full development GUI (X-code) is included also (free) but we don't use it.. (we dont write osx apps).
You guys just don't know what you are missing, that's all. It's like the Amiga days repeated all over again except now you are the crazy fools. :crazy:
LOL
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I use an older Mac G3 275mhz os9 for page print design an page layout at the printshop I work at. We recently aquired a modern up to date HP Pavilion. The more I work with the XP environment, the more the old Mac seems like an Amiga.
murple wrote:
Microsoft products are unusable garbage. Thats a given. Macs are only marginally better though.
If microsoft products are so unusable, how is it that millions of users are making their livelyhood with microsoft products?
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I have an iBook. Though I mostly use it instad of my PCs because of portable convenience, not because I'm a mac-head. I sortof quit using my desktop when I got my PC laptop, but the laptop battery only lasted abotu 45 minutes when it was new. Not very useful. My iBook lasts over 3 hours usually, which is usable. I'll probably get a PC laptop with much better battery life someday, and am not sure if I'll continue with he ibook at that point or if I'll be back to the PC again because more of my software runs there that I can't use on the Mac. I can' tpost pictures to Myspace from my ibook for some reason either, which is annoying. I shrink them in Photoshop and then MySpace's FLASH-based photo upload tool still says they're unacceptable for some unknown reason. If anyone has a solution, I'd love to hear about it.
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I agree, I want two mouse buttons so guess what... I bought a 2 button mouse. Why is this a big deal? This has nothing to do with the operating system or the computer. It's a mouse.
There are the rare times that it DOES make a difference. We can use VPN and VNC to work from home. One of the programs I use at times, Simvision, is a circuit waveform viewer, and you can zoom into a range of the waveform by pressing the CTRL button and left click-selecting the range. OSX seems to consider the CTRL button as my saying I want to use the right mouse button instead of the left mouse button, even when you have a mouse with an actual right mouse button. So in OSX, it's not possible to cause a left-click event with the CTRL button pressed. And thus, I cannot select a range to zoom into when using this Simvision tool from my iBook over VNC. I've asked other Mac users at work if there is a way around that problem, but they all complain about it as well, and no solution has been found.
I can do that just fine from my PC.
These examples are probably few and far between, but they do exist. You may never even encounter them, but they do exist for a few of us.
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If microsoft products are so unusable, how is it that millions of users are making their livelyhood with microsoft products?
Simple.
It's called market dominance. If Microsoft tells everyone that they need a "Windows PC" to survive then makes them available for relatively cheap costs, the sheeple buy Windows PCs.
Then Microsoft gives the US Government a blanket license to run Windows on PCs, then everyone who works around or with the government feels they have to buy a Windows PC to work. If all those people as well as the Government have Windows PCs, companies say "I can make more money writing money for Windows PCs", so more software is created for the Wintel platform.
It's a cascading pile of excrement, all developed by marketeers and the Microsoft juggernaut which is now so large and monolithic it would take something like the $100 PC to overcome it.
Wayne
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You're right there... ctrl+click is right click and cannot (easily) be remapped. Not sure why apple did not make remapping possible for right click key (although I am sure there is a way). There was a way to remap this in earlier osx versions, but it does not seem to work with tiger.
If I figure it out I'll let you know.
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I decided to port some software I sell to the mac a number of years ago. The experience developing on OSX was nice. I grew to really love the OS, particularly since I enjoyed the familiarity that I had from administering my FreeBSD web server (it's not all shiny graphics, you have a full BSD system at your disposal there). I eventually consolidated and sold my PPC Mac and Windows boxes and bought an intel mac the moment they went intel. I have never looked back. Basically those that claim the mac platform is limiting or targeted purely at idiots are entirely ignorant people.
I now target windows, osx and unix development on my one mac. The environment is both efficient and trouble-free. I use VMWare Fusion as my virtualisation environment and it's extremely fast.
Pretty glad I am so limited with my platform designed for retards quite personally.
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I have an 8500 with G3
a AWS9650,8515, and all in one LC040
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The one button thing is more about consistency than a limitation.
If you force app designers to work with one mouse button as being the lowest common denominator, you ensure that all apps are designed to be accessible with only one mouse button. That way you don't need a contextually sensitive right click to enable functionality like you do in some poorly designed Windows apps (and probably Linux ones too.) This fits in well with OS X's overall menu structuring too.
If you look at it in Windows terms, think of the Control Panel. You can easily create apps on Windows for configuration functions that don't have to be installed in the Control Panel. It makes sense to users that they go there, but there's nothing forcing them to use it. If expecting a consistent user experience makes me a retard, retard me up, I guess.
I don't know of any Macs being shipped these days that don't actually support more than one button on the shipped hardware. All the Macbooks and Macbook Pros can enable a right button click through the trackpad by having more than one finger on it (like for scrolling) and clicking with the button. All the other Macs ship with a Mighty Mouse that can be configured for more than one button.
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Another MAC user here!
Today's hardware is the same as PCs but every computer has still a "name" and it sound like in the past when you owned a specific machine :-D
First x86 MACs had a lot of problems but now are rock solid.
And the OS is simply fantastic, very safe and user friendly.
Yes... I can say the Mac is like a modern Amiga.
I laugh when I use old MacOS systems under ShapeShifter. Those were so ugly compared to AmigaOS. Software suites have been the only great advantage. Adobe applications and Xpress are a standard still today.
But OsX is a state-of-art OS and I can't imagine what would be AmigaOS today if it would have been developed regularly.
Obviuosly, it is just my opinion...
Alex
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I have a Color Classic "Mystic" that runs OS 7.5. I have a beige G3 that I put together to see what all the OS 10 fuss was about. I wasn't impressed. This may change if they open up the OS to non Apple, Inc. hardware. But, due to the high price and poor reliability I'm staying clear of anything with an Apple on it.
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murple wrote:
You should see the recent thread about Apple being the new Amiga... Macs are hardly in the same category as Amigas. Macs are designed around the idea that users are essentially retarded and need to have their options limited (witness the one button mouse, and Apple's history of hermetically sealed cases).
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You want a good solid system that carries on the spirit of the Amiga, get yourself a good modern Linux install.
Not to advertise Apple here but I feel the need of getting the sharp edges a little softer.
I had a PowerPC 9600 Apple which was very easy to open-up and service! Not even spoiled a single drop of blood while opening it up and cleaning it. OS 9 is indeed a bit programmed in a way that nothing much can go wrong, only if you want to be the 'über-expert' and do things that were never supposed to (on the Amiga it's well possible to do things you really shouldn't). The 9600 has been retired a few months ago, it should now rest in pieces at the dump-site.
In the attic I still keep an iMac 333, first series. This machine is also easy to service. And if you're not too sure about how to openup the case, Apple provides the repair and service manuals for free from their website! These manuals even describe how you can test the mainboard using a good multimeter. So, with that in mind, you can't hardly say that Apple think the users are retards who only need to start Safari.
I've both used Linuxes and OSX. My general feel with OSX is that it is very Linux like (even shares shell commands) only it seems to install easier.
I must admit that the Apple is in the attic now and has seen it's place being taken by a Dell-PC. Reason is simple: Couldn't afford a MacMini of the last series. Once I can, I surely will have a long chat with my wife and get us both one.
So, is Apple the best system? No! Why not? You simply don't get emotional attached to it (I can dump them very easy, can't do that with the Amigas ;-)).
That's my two cents, now back to changing my signature ;-)
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I always hear about people "switching" from one platform to another. Why bother? I've never switched from one thing to another.
I have:
PowerMac
2 Power Books
2 Mac minis ( one running ubuntu)
1 Vista machine
2 XP machines
3 Linux machines
Are people really so dense that they think they have to completely use only one platform or another? Are people so dense that they get hung up on the number of buttons on the mouse or location of crap to click on to get some place or keyboard shortcuts?
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I use a G5 iMac now as my main computer, Amiga is now a hobby machine!
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yobsta wrote:
I am just curious how many here use a mac instead of the usual pc .
I have been waiting for all these years for a new amiga but my patience has run out so i grabbed a macbook and its a breath of fresh air to use instead of a billyGates box.
Typing this on my ibook which is now my most used machine.
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adolescent wrote:
I have a Color Classic "Mystic" that runs OS 7.5. I have a beige G3 that I put together to see what all the OS 10 fuss was about. I wasn't impressed. This may change if they open up the OS to non Apple, Inc. hardware. But, due to the high price and poor reliability I'm staying clear of anything with an Apple on it.
You can't really mix apples and oranges here (no pun intended). What you've said is about like saying "I've installed Windows Vista on my 486/33 and don't like it"...
I've got the 2.16ghz Core 2 Duo (yes, the 2 does make a difference) and find it faster and far more reliable than any XP machine I've ever owned (including the 2ghz X2 Athlon it replaced).
My problem as it turns out is far more with Microsoft Windows than Intel.
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I can' tpost pictures to Myspace from my ibook for some reason either, which is annoying.
No problems posting pictures or mp3s to myspace from this iBook.
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I've probably owned a dozen Amigas and twenty+ Macs since each was introduced. I have always maintained that the Amiga is the most fun machine... it really invites you to make it your own. As a designer, the Mac was a necessity; and now with OSX you can stir things up a bit too.
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Wayne wrote:
You can't really mix apples and oranges here (no pun intended). What you've said is about like saying "I've installed Windows Vista on my 486/33 and don't like it"...
I've got the 2.16ghz Core 2 Duo (yes, the 2 does make a difference) and find it faster and far more reliable than any XP machine I've ever owned (including the 2ghz X2 Athlon it replaced).
My problem as it turns out is far more with Microsoft Windows than Intel.
But, you're talking Apples and Oranges too. If you install XP on your 2.16GHz C2D I guarantee it will fly as should OS 10, Linux, etc. It's just an awesome processor. Comparing price and reliability of the C2D systems out there the Mac comes out much more expensive than a Dell, etc.
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adolescent wrote:
But, you're talking Apples and Oranges too. If you install XP on your 2.16GHz C2D I guarantee it will fly as should OS 10, Linux, etc. It's just an awesome processor.
Unfortunately, I can't compare apples to apples here, because apparently you can't bribe someone to buy a PC laptop which will run XP any more. I was even universally told that "loading XP on this laptop will void your warranty" at 4 different stores.
In fact, I played with about 10 different 2+ Ghz C2D processor laptops over the weekend at Best Buy, Office Depot, Circuit City and CompUSA (all of which ran Vista -- yuck).
Doing even simple tasks like loading the control panel window, each Core 2 Duo laptop ran about half the speed of an older Athlon 2800+ with 1gig of RAM that I have running XP. Trying to pull up Word/Excel/etc was even half the speed of my current iMac running Office 2004.
Yes, yes, I know. Trial machines in stores are futzed around with by hundreds of kids and there's no telling what's running on it, but I wouldn't buy a Vista-OS'd laptop, even if you gave me a $1000 gift certificate for it.
Wayne
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People still buy old Macs on ebay;anyone tossing a 9600 or iMac is tossing money.Maybe only $20 to $50 and up depending on model.Why not give it to someone?
There is a Mac site offering old ,color, powerbooks for $49.95 !!! It doesn't take much of a computer to email or download/upload or surf. There are still a lot of people who haven't any computer and such a minimalist solution would be good for them.
Some people forget that not everyone lives in a new house,drives a new car, and has the latest computer,big HDTV, motorhome,etc.
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Count me as one of the members here that uses Macs, Amigas and Windows PCs. Over the last few years, after buying my first Mac (the last of the Titanium series PowerBooks), I am a firm believer in the Apple brand and prefer it over PCs and Windows. I feel safer (justified or not) using a Mac for email and Internet browsing than on a Windows system, and I like the way it does some things for the user without having to configure everything. Like wireless networking, you turn on a Mac and it asks you a couple of questions and then does the rest for you. Maybe XP or Vista has progressed to this point also, but I have not experienced it yet, at least not like I did 5 years ago on my PowerBook.
If all the programs I need to use were available on the Mac (or better a new fast Amiga), I would never use a Windows machine again. Just because our legal systems have failed to convict Bill Gates & Co., it does not lessen the crimes they have committed against the many who could have given us unknown innovations. :madashell:
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Macintosh and OS X ftw!
My current Mac is an Intel Core Duo iMac with 2Gb Ram, 250Gb HD, Radeon X1600. The first generation of Intel iMacs.
I used this iMac (running Windows/Bootcamp) to play City of Heros/City of Villains for a whole year until I upgraded my PC. Worked great!
Got my PC all nice and upgraded, and XP back on (HATED Vista! Slow Resource Hog...be gone forever!) it and it's a pure game machine.
Use Macs at work (production artist at newspaper).
Now toying with an Amiga 1200HD ;)
-Mark
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Hey I've got a Mac-Mini.. but I only have Windows XP installed on it because I prefer the software available.
I was using Ubuntu for a bit too until I just got tired of it (too much messing about for simple things).
I personally think Ubuntu works better as a kinda emergency-boot live CD backup trick for when my main installed system fails (virus, HDD crash etc.)
No issue with the latest Mac operating system though, I just prefer Windows XP's applications and software.
Oh and I detest Vista btw!
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@ murple,
Hi,
Time to anger a few freinds. Please forgive me for I am the smerf!!!
I would never own an Apple because 90% of their users were complete computer idiots who didn't even know how to find the on/off switch on their own computer, most of them where rich and plastic and only turned on a computer to do office work or surf the internet.
This is my answer to all apple users, times haven't changed and neither did apple or its users, right Mr. Wilse, where is your canadian friend Glaucus.
Oh, its great to be back.
Anyhow, for all you people who haven't figured out how to use Linux,
I am using Ubuntu on a Gateway dual core 2 E6300 as my primary OS, and then Windows Vista (the reactivation OS) on a 2nd hard drive, as my secondary Os to play the new games.
Ubuntu is being tried to see if it can hold my data like my Amiga 4000, which has been doing a fine job since 1992 holding all my important data, Vista failed after 1 week, when I was told I would have to reactivate after a blue screen of death popped up.
Now my 2nd computer is a dell running a 2.6 gig Pentium with Kubuntu as an OS. Both Ubuntu, and Kubuntu Feisty Fox installed without a hitch. If you read the directions on the web site first, you should have no problems, install Ubuntu in the safe mode, then if you have a nvidia or ATI card install their restricted drivers to your system.
Linux is almost as much fun as the Amiga was, it is just that they have a bunch of nerds that think new comers are a bunch of idiots that don't deserve their system, they sort of get hot under the collar if you ask for help without trying all avenues to make it work before asking, in other words Linux developers and users are all arfus holes, but I think their system is fun.
By the way avoid Vista, having lots of problems with it, the system seems stable until you start loading some programs on it, I tried Quake (latest version) and my system blue screened, tried an old doom, and it blue screened, plays Far Cry, Castle Wolfenstein, and Call of Duty, really crashed with Amiga Forever 6.0, but seems ok with Amiga Forever 2006.
Amiga 4000, 040, 25mhz, GVP genlock, 18 megs mem & 1.2 Gig hard drive and Picasso II card.
Amiga 3000, too many things to list.
Amiga 1200, 603e ppc 265 mhz ppc card, 030, 30 mhz card
CD32 with expansion chassis, (hard drive, keyboard etc.)
Amiga 500, plain jane
Amiga 1000, supra scsi card, 4 different scsi's, 8 meg of ram, 68010 accel.
Amiga 2000 Video Toaster.
Where is apple, rotten to the core, wouldn't own one, don't like them, can't stand their idiot leaders philosophy on how a computer system should be made.
smerf
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I own a (upgraded) Beige G3 AV (second revision motherboard):
PowerPC G3 266 Mhz (more than enough for every day tasks and classic gaming)
512 Meg SDRAM
10 gig IDE harddrive + 8 gig IDE harddrive
3D Rage Pro with 4 megs of video RAM
PCI USB card
multibutton Logitech USB mouse (screw single button mouse)
generic PC USB keyboard
Apple Video Capture card (doesn't work in OS X)
LG 32X burner (screw Apple's SuperDrive)
Dual boot: MacOS 9.1 and MacOS X 10.2.8 (Jaguar)
I have an old 12 meg 3dfx card lying around. I was thinking of searching the net to see if it's possible to flash its firmware to turn it into a mac compatible 3dfx.
I also have a Quadra 68040 and a Mac Plus.
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Another Mac user here. I had a variety of Amigas as my main machines from the mid 80s to July 2000 - then I switched to an old 8100/80 Mac. Yeah, it was OS 8.1, but I kept at it for a while, and loved some of the ease about it. Then an iMac, an eMac, and now eight cores of Mac Pro.
The Mac - it is heaven.
Dana
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I started using MacOS under shapeshifter so I could use apps that were never available for the Amiga.
Using this knowledge I ended up working in Apple Centres in Australia and the UK. OS X my desktop OS of choice these days and I run it as the main OS on my Fujitsu Siemens laptop with Windows XP running in VMWare.
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smerf wrote:
@ murple,
I would never own an Apple because 90% of their users were complete computer idiots
While I'm glad to be in the 10%, did you ever stop to think that there are people out there who just don't enjoy futzing around with computers trying to make them do stuff. Said crowd just enjoys a computer that works without all the headache nor hassle? This is what my Mac represents to me.
Time required to set up my last Windows PC from scratch (loading OS, loading drivers, getting it on the network, getting rid of spyware and crapware to make it usable) : 6 hours
Time required to set up my iMac from scratch : 7 minutes.
For me, my current iMac is absolutely everything that I used to wish the Amiga would someday be. Powerful, easy to use, fun, stable, well-supported.
All the haters I'm reading here have obviously either never used a current Mac (depending instead on their impression of old macs), or are just predisposed to hate it for whatever reason.
Wayne
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danamania wrote:
Then an iMac, an eMac, and now eight cores of Mac Pro.
The Mac - it is heaven.
Wouldn't say heaven, but as far as comparing it to any other platform available, it's pretty damned close..
Would kill for one of the new dual quad-core macs but just can't justify the cost, even for my business. It was hard enough coming up with the money for the iMac I have now.
Wayne
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I use a Mac. It's one of my machines at work.
It's great!
Sometimes (often actually) after it's gone 'to sleep' it won't wake up and I'm forced to power it off.
At times like that I really wish it a had a reset button like my trusty PC. But it doesn't.
And sometimes, when it's booting, it just sits there forever (no, seriously, forever. I once left it for three days to see if it would 'finish' whatever it was doing and it never did) without sying what it's doing and doesn't ever show me the desktop.
At times like that I really wish it a had responsive keyboard like my Amy (ctl-A-A). But it doesn't.
And sometimes, when it's feeling really special, it just closes the program I'm using without even telling me. POOF! Gone!
At times like that I really wish I had a sledgehammer. And I do.
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@Wayne
Hi,
You are correct sir!!!
While I'm glad to be in the 10%, did you ever stop to think that there are people out there who just don't enjoy futzing around with computers trying to make them do stuff. Said crowd just enjoys a computer that works without all the headache nor hassle? This is what my Mac represents to me.
Thats just it, there are people who just want to turn a computer on and use it, no matter how much money it costs.
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and personnally I am happy for you, for if the suit fits than wear it, therefore if the computer works for you then use it.
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Time required to set up my last Windows PC from scratch (loading OS, loading drivers, getting it on the network, getting rid of spyware and crapware to make it usable) : 6 hours
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Kanknow what you mean, how could the worst OS in the world be the most popular?
Watch out for VISTA, if you make changes to your computer (like I am always doing (part of the Amigaian in me)) then VISTA comes up and asks you for reactivation, I made 2 hardware changes and one OS change and Vista used up 2 of my activations, according to Vistas screen the third reactivation will cost me $59.00, considering that I just bought it for $159.00 I feel like I have been robbed, by the way 6 hours for install, you really should update and get rid of that 8088 you are running.
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All the haters I'm reading here have obviously either never used a current Mac
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You are correct again Sir!!!
One thing I really despise is someone who draws out a plan on how I am going to use my computer, and because apple's are expensive, their software is expensive, and steve jobs lay out how you are going to use their stuff, I just don't like it, they control you more then winblows, and c'mon have you looked at the price of there software, outrageous I tell you, outrageous.
Thats what I liked about Amiga, cheap good software, excellent people in the community, and I could do with it as I liked. For me $99.00 is expensive for a program.
Thats why I love Linux, open source and free, I can install the OS on as many computers as I like, and I don't have to reactivate. So, Ubuntu has become my main system, it has the feel of the Amiga, trying to figure it out, but when I need it to do real work, it keeps my data (so far), I have only been using it for about 3 months now and no major crashes and it still has the data I put in it 3 months ago. Just think it only has 9 years and 7 months to compete with my Amiga 4000 for not losing data, and no crashes, not even lost hardware, so Amiga was the best bang for the buck.
So sorry if I angered anyone, but I am the smerf you know!
Comparing apples to Amiga's is like mixing water & oil.
Maybe we should rename this site to mac.org or apple.org
smerf
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i use ONLY Macintosh!!!!
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Me too (now)
Smerf, as far as I can tell the crowd of "idoits" who use the mac is comprised of the same people who once used the Amiga.
Most were forced into Windows or Linux when the Amiga lost the race... and when OSX came onto the scene they had a look and discovered it was everything they ever wanted from AmigaOS and Linux in the first place.
A clean well thought out OS (no registry) with Unix under the hood. How how could that be wrong? Even the Amiga did not include a full blown development suite, video and photo editing software, and it wasn't even a multiuser system.
The way applications are installed and removed in OSX FAR SURPASSES what the Amiga EVER did, and it beats Linux without question. No mounts, no editing s:startup-sequence, no copying files to the libs folder, etc.
Yes, it's similar but more refined, easier, and far more organized. The entire application is contained within one subfolder which you can drag to the trash at any time.
Usually there is not even a "setup" program.. you just drop the program in your applications folder and that's it.
If you want to, you can even run an application and check it out WITHOUT installing it... then drag the file to the trash if you dont like it.
You'll come around eventually... if not, your loss. :(
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I love the Amiga because of the freedom it gives me, I loathe the Mac because of the freedom it denies me. I've used macs mostly for video work and I F*****G hate the damn things.
Please don't even bother to try and change my mind. The only use I have for a mac is to sell it for Amiga cash.
'nuff said.
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Good for you Tripitaka! I wish I could go amiga as my primary PC, but I can't. I need modern things, like DVD playback, web2.0 pages, and FLASH!
I bought my first Mac when Jobs came back to Apple and set the place on fire.
My first Mac was an Indigo iBook 366! I had to move my '040 A1200 off of the desk to make room for it. It hurt, but I have to stay modern.
In a Perfect world, I'd have an Amiga 9000 with a Core 2 Duo, 2GB of RAM, 1TB HDD, and a combo blu-Ray drive. Oh wait, those are the specs of my Mac Mini!
Rejoice for what was, lament for what can never be!
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I went to the Mac from the Amiga, mainly because I had to have access to Mac sofware/hardware to work on the last A-Max manual.
While I have a few Windows machines, the bulk of my house resembles the Apple Store! :-)
Bob
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MaDDuck wrote:
Good for you Tripitaka! I wish I could go amiga as my primary PC, but I can't. I need modern things, like DVD playback, web2.0 pages, and FLASH!
LOL, I also use an AMD 4200X2 with NV 7900GTXXX PCIE GFX, SATA HDD etc...and a few others.
JUST NO MACS!!!!
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I don't think anyone is trying to "sell" anything here really. Just to express our opinions.
I used an Amiga almost exclusively until about 1995/96 when this site (and the BBS before it) and my job pretty much mandated my move to a PC (a 286 with MS-DOS as I recall).
Last year, my Windows XP PC started blue-screening and rebooting at random, then began randomly claiming that I owed Microsoft more money. Apparently my hardware started going flaky and resetting some hardware number somewhere, triggering the Microsoft spyware stuff and telling me that "if you wish to continue, you need to contact Microsoft to activate your software" (paraphrased of course since it was like a year ago now)...
Anyway, I call Microsoft, try to explain the situation, and I'm told that "their records indicate that I've installed the software on about 3 dozen machines" (which is complete BS) and that I would need to purchase additional copies of Windows....
Talk about pissed off...
Anyway, I spent the next few days researching a new replacement for my PC. Whether to replace hardware, rebuild it, purchase a new machine altogether, or what my alternatives were.. One thing I was absolutely sure of was that Microsoft would not get another damned dime of my money.
My Athlon XP 2800 was only about 3 years old, and I figured that since I had to basically reinstall Windows about once a year just to keep the machine running, I had just run out a year prior and purchased XP Home off the shelf..
What I found was, to build the machine I wanted (for both work and games, including purchasing a new copy of bleeping Windows XP, and a new monitor (while I was at it) would cost me about $1400 to $1600...
Meanwhile, my anger over the Microsoft spyware, erm, I mean "licensing" BS kept knawing at the back of my mind until I just basically thought "screw Microsoft, I'm gonna buy a Mac"...
I bought a 2.16ghz Core2Duo iMac directly from Apple.com, got it in the next day (since I needed to get back to work) and had it installed and running 100% within 7 minutes of cracking the box open.
No spyware, no crapware, nothing to remove. It plays World of Warcraft and other hardware dependent games beautifully and I'm just fine with that.
As to the rest, I couldn't be happier. I don't have to futz with anything to get it to work. Plug in my camera, it works. Plug in the network printer, it works. Plug in the external drives, they work (making it REALLY easy to move stuff between PC and mac)..
I guess somewhere along the line, I got old enough and jaded enough to where having to actively try to get computers to do what I ask them to was more of an annoyance than fun. The mac does what I want, it just works with zero fuss, with zero anxiety, with zero reasons to lose my patience.
Oh, and before the "Mac users are idiots" crowd responds, please remember that I do use the mac for HEAVY programming and network stuff, and since OS X is based on BSD, it's 10x more capable in that department than Windows (home or Pro) ever thought about being.
Hell, even the "host" command from the command line saves me about 2 hours of work a day looking up domain name resolutions (part of my job). It used to be;
nslookup -type=NS {domain.com}
nslookup -type=MX {domain.com}
(Windows didn't recognize "-type=all")
Now it's just;
host {domain.com}
How frickin cool is that?
Wayne
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I have a Quadra 650 and a Power Mac 7100. But since most of my Mac software is old (System 7.5), I usually just use emulation (ShapeShifter on my Amithlon Amiga or Basilisk II on my WinXP machine).
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To continue my last (seemed better than editing and I feel a rant coming on)...
Sadly, the one real casualty in this for me has been the Amiga. Where I used to depend on it for everything (running my BBS, writing HTML, etc), I cannot think of a single application that I find even remotely useful any longer for what *I* do (everyone is different, so no flames please).
The only thing I do on "the Amiga" any more is to occasionally fire up the reconstituted PC to run Amiga Forever to play a few games that I miss now and again.
I miss the nostalgia of the good old days. I miss our once HUGE user group and all those friends. I miss (sometimes) the days when computers held a mystery for me and were intriguing.
What I had hoped for the Amiga, (and the core reason I was kicked out of the AAC all those years ago) was that Amiga Inc would have had the common sense to follow the Mac into the Intel world, and that the Amiga would now be where machines like the iMac, Mac Mini, and Macbook are now. Software and hardware that just works.
Instead, we got a company who doesn't understand (and has never wanted to understand) either the Amiga or its community licensing out software development to a third-party company to port a 13 year old version of Amiga OS 3.1 on antiquated and restrictive PPC hardware that -- even if it existed today -- was overpriced, underpowered, and pretty much useless for the real world of 2007.
Can people use their AmigaOnes? Sure they can. No offense is intended there. It's just that by now, AmigaOnes are pretty much on the same eBay playing field as the old Mac g4's and powerbooks.
Then (back to the situation), toss in idiots (like myself) who naively jump on board with other scam artist companies whose owners have personal vendettas against McEwen and the situation becomes completely useless for everyone.
In the end, Amiga.org and I are here to support the so-called "Classic" Amiga community. To hell with both sides, their empty lies and promises of a glorious future until they show me the platform that I want to buy (which is NOT based on the Antiquated G series chips)
Wayne
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I used a mac once when it was raining.
LMFAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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You guys seem to have left out some vital information in thread.
Mac sucks.
Thx :]
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Audun wrote:
Mac sucks.
Why is it that whenever anyone posts something about Macs people have to slag off the Mac?
People who use Macs in general do so because they like them. If you don't like Macs, the answer is simple: don't use them.
As for the argument that Mac owners are stupid/can't use "real" computers/retards, I would be willing to bet that the proportion of Windows users who are "stupid" is greater than the proportion of Mac users who are "stupid." Why? Because if a "stupid" person with little knowledge of computers wants to buy a PC, they will go into the likes of PC World and buy a Windows box, while a Mac user has to consider their options before going with the minority platform. (Before I get flamed - I am not in any way suggesting that all Windows users are stupid.)
In the end, you aren't forced to use Macs, if you hate them stick to whatever OS works for you.
Matthew
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Audun wrote:
You guys seem to have left out some vital information in thread.
What vital information is missing? That you're 'allowed' to install your single copy of OSX on all your privately owned OSX capable Macs? Or the viatal information that it is a little hard to play all the shiny new PC Windows games? Please explain what you're missing! My experience with old Macs is that, both hard and software-wise, they all ran as reliable as the A2k and A4k I own.
It's simple to me, Amiga has its flaws and strongs as does have Apple, Windows, Linux, Unix, Solaris, . The real flaw I can find is that the Macs are just to big an expense to buy at the moment.
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@Wayne,
Those two replies contain more text than all the other posts in these forums I have seen from you over several years combined. Very well put and I must agree with your reasoning.
I too say to hell with both sides and will not purchase a "Next Generation Amiga", be it AOS 4.x, MorphOS, or AROS until it is at least as functional as my MacBook Core2Duo, which easily runs OSX, XP, and WinUAE.
I don't know if a new Amiga will be developed and manufactured in my life time. Because to me, a new Amiga would have to be a quantum leap above and beyond what is currently thought of as a personal computer, just like the original Amiga was when it was first conceived by its inventors. For me, a new Amiga would redefine what a personal computer is capable of and create the opportunity for new ways to think about computing and what is possible.
So, until and unless that miracle happens, I will stick with my collection of "Classic Amigas" and use "other" computers to accomplish the work I need to do.
Right now, the Mac is the best engineered computer and best user experience available. I can only dream that the rest of the world will eventually wake up and drive Microsoft to compete and actually innovate and create something original.
If I could, I would never buy another Microsoft product, and I would find a way to do all my work from alternate OSes, and remove Windows from my hard drives.
(Sorry for my rant)
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@everyone in Amiga.org
Hi,
WOW!!
The 10% of smart mac users are here
You are correct in saying that the really stupid ones are those people buying Windows machines, and you are probably correct in saying that Mac is the better of the two computers left in the world to compete.
OK after buying VISTA for my computer, I finally saw the light because VISTA really sucks. I had just bought a dual core extreme edition computer and thought well if VISTA keeps bonking out on me, what can I use?
I thought of the old days when I was using a Z80 Attache portable computer, yes Mr. Wilse, Attache was the name of the computer, it had a 6" green screen and was about the size of a carry on suitcase. I was using CPM at the time, then along came the 8088 and an adapter card for it, so I moved to DOS and ran it until that computer quit, it was back to my C64, then while I was shopping for a new DOS machine, there it was the AMIGA, I thought do I really want to learn a new OS with a brand new untested computer, so I bought an Amiga, the first 3 months I hated it, why do I have to type out such long lines of code just to copy a disk? but after a while the Amiga just grew on me, now in this modern time, I had a choice, support microsoft again, which I did (big mistake) or go out and find another computer, so I took a quick look at the Macs, didn't like what I saw, and yes I am a MAC disliker, then when I was reading MaximumPC they suggested Ubuntu which is a Linux distribution, once again I thought, I had tried Linux several times before but it just couldn't do what even the Amiga could do, but I decided to give it a try, and guess what Linux Ubuntu could do everything I wanted but it was free, and then to top it off the software is free, and then to top it off for $60.00 a year I could join Cedega and play most of the games I wanted to play. So to all you computer users who decided to take the easy way out and buy a Mac, try Ubuntu Linux, its free, you can download it, and try the live edition on your system to see how it works, I made the change and now I have bought three books on Ubuntu Linux, and am slowly learning an OS just like I had to learn the Amiga OS. Linux is interesting, its fun, and reminds me of the days when Amiga first came out.
Now to make you all angry again for I am the smerf
Just remember that Apple is in bed with Microsoft, they accepted money a couple of years ago from Billy Gates in order to not go bankrupt, this suited old Billy Boy because if Apple went under, then the Gov't could declare that Micro soft had a monopoly, now ask yourself why do all the software companies support microsoft and not Apple? Why don't they make their software for Linux, OS2, OSX or whatever Apple claims it to be.
[color=ff0000]So you see all of you supporting APPLE are really in bed with Microsoft[/color]
Have a nice day
Try Linux, it might take a month or two to learn, but it gets more fun as you go along, you know, something like the old Amiga OS, the more people supporting this OS the more the software Co. might start producing software and games for Linux.
smerf
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SSSSHHH! No need to shout. :roll:
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smerf wrote:
Try Linux, it might take a month or two to learn
Mac OS X is build on BSD. Didn't take a single minute to "learn".
I unboxed it,
I set it up,
I turned it on,
it said "hey, there's your network, want me to use it?",
I said yes.
I was using it.
7 minutes, not a month or two, AND I still get to drop to the terminal for full BSD usage if I want to do more. :P
:laughing:
Wayne
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smerf wrote:
Just remember that Apple is in bed with Microsoft, they accepted money a couple of years ago from Billy Gates in order to not go bankrupt, this suited old Billy Boy because if Apple went under, then the Gov't could declare that Micro soft had a monopoly, now ask yourself why do all the software companies support microsoft and not Apple? Why don't they make their software for Linux, OS2, OSX or whatever Apple claims it to be.
So you see all of you supporting APPLE are really in bed with Microsoft
Bull.
MS bought 150,000 non-voting shares in Apple in 1997 as part of a patent dispute settlement.
MS converted these to common shares in 2000 and sold it all in 2001.
Doobrey, happy iBook user for the last 2 years.
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A great point, Tripitaka!
I weighed the options, of what I needed to do now in in the next 3-5 years. I use winderz at work and was spectacularly unimpressed with it! When I used a Mac (running an early OSX beta) I fell in love!
Oh and I had YDL installed on it, and with OS X, 3.X, I installed KDE on it just to see if I could and it installed and worked great!
So, I don't like windows, I tolerate Linux, love Amiga OS, and run OS X and am happy with it.
It suits my purpose. And I'm happy running mo MS brand SW on any PC in my house.
Oh, and I ordered me up a new iMac, too cool not to have!
Tripitaka wrote:
MaDDuck wrote:
Good for you Tripitaka! I wish I could go amiga as my primary PC, but I can't. I need modern things, like DVD playback, web2.0 pages, and FLASH!
LOL, I also use an AMD 4200X2 with NV 7900GTXXX PCIE GFX, SATA HDD etc...and a few others.
JUST NO MACS!!!!
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Hi,
@Wayne
Kaknow what you mean about micrsoft licensing, or control
ware.
Glad your happy with the mac, because I know what you mean
about getting old and senile. Hope you got the new 30 inch
lcd monitor to go with it, because we know you thought you
were buying an Amiga because you couldn't see the name on
the computer, We do know however that Apple and Amiga start
with the letter "A" and they both have five letters.
By the way have you made that appointment with your eye
doctor after all we wouldn't want you to make the same
mistake twice.
smerf
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Smerf, once you have really gotten an understanding of linux (and some of it's hassles) you should try a mac for awhile. you will you really appreciate just how nice it really is.
I will be the first to admit that the old macs weren't that great... but hey they must not have been too bad because someone went out of the way to write ShapeShifter...right?
But the new macs are excellent. It's not the same company anymore... Jobs is back and he brought NeXt with him and modernized it. I wonder how many people actually know what NeXt is?
Think of the new OSX as Linux (actually BSD which is more stable anyway), with a standardized desktop, applications that aren't in pre-beta stage, and an install method which is simpler and easier to use than yum, apt-get, or rpm.
And yes, you can run all of those great Linux apps too... including X apps and desktops (gnome, kde, etc).
I went from Linux to OSX and now I am using a $2000 powerbook from work. When and if I loose this job, I am going to buy one for myself. I like it that much.
I haven't been excited about ANY computer since my Amiga... until now.
BTW, OSX is also free... it's called Darwin.
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/
Aqua is the desktop, which is not included with Darwin.
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vic20owner wrote:
Smerf, once you have really gotten an understanding of linux (and some of it's hassles) you should try a mac for awhile. you will you really appreciate just how nice it really is.
I have tried OSX, several times. Due to frustration I always ended up going back to Linux. My frustration has been based upon obscurities in the system when building software, the issues you get when installing newer libraries and includes in parallel with Apple's pick of the week - and actually, lack of speed, darwin is obviously slower than linux the on same hardware. I find the user interface rather hyped, I dont think it's particularly user friendly compared to other systems.
But the new macs are excellent. It's not the same company anymore... Jobs is back and he brought NeXt with him and modernized it. I wonder how many people actually know what NeXt is?
I also used NextStep back in the days on a NestStation.
It was snappy and solid, even on the old 68040.
For some reason, OSX is not equally snappy, and I have no idea why.
Think of the new OSX as Linux (actually BSD which is more stable anyway), with a standardized desktop, applications that aren't in pre-beta stage, and an install method which is simpler and easier to use than yum, apt-get, or rpm.
You forgot the most important part - standardized hardware.
Any idea why Apple still refuses to give out hardware information on old discontinued products like the m68k macs and the newtons?
I think it's because they enjoy being asses. :-D
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I have PPC Macs here, a G4, and a G3 iBook. I used to do tech support for an ISP, I just didn't want to have the same issues with my personal machine, that I was working with every day with other peoples Windows machines.
Like Wayne said, you just plug in a Mac and it goes. No
fuss no muss. I've used Linux releases both Yellowdog,
and the PPC version of Ubuntu, but none of them feel as
polished as a properly working Amiga. And not nearly as
polished and easy to use a Mac OS X.
Wildstar1063
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Pfft, I don't have much to say more than Vista is bloated crap ripping of a already bad idea(3D should never be applied on the Desktop UI) and using i(hate)Life for videoediting sucks, me and my friend we're working on the school Mac with a video for a project, saving it and the next day it's gone. Probably it corrupted the projectfile. And it's also "apple"-branding your DVDs if you're using iDVD. I would probably not have anything against Apple if it weren't that their OS(wich they call "The worlds most 'advanced'") managed to have us redo a years worth of work in four weeks.
But i would like to have one of the classic macs runninng on 68k processors...
BTW, BSD is crud, tru System V ftw.
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wildstar1063 wrote:
I have PPC Macs here, a G4, and a G3 iBook. I used to do tech support for an ISP, I just didn't want to have the same issues with my personal machine, that I was working with every day with other peoples Windows machines.
Like Wayne said, you just plug in a Mac and it goes. No
fuss no muss. I've used Linux releases both Yellowdog,
and the PPC version of Ubuntu, but none of them feel as
polished as a properly working Amiga. And not nearly as
polished and easy to use a Mac OS X.
Amen brother. I deal, all day long with people having trouble with their PC's. Most of them AOL users or Keller Williams Realtors who have a domain name, but don't know where the power button is on their computers. I spend 8 to 10 hours a day dealing with fixing these problems. Last thing I want is for my personal enjoyment after work to be hampered with having to make my own stuff work.
After work, it's de-stress time. Sit, fire up WoW, go kill sh.... erm, stuff. Not sit, load drivers, configure machine. I'm 41 years old and I've had enough of "tinkering to make things work (the Amiga credo). I just want things to work and the Mac, like it or not, does exactly what I think any potential new Amiga should. It just works.
What most of you youngsters forget is that way back in the beginning, the Amiga was the forerunner of "just plug it in and it works". Now it's so antiquated, it's literally "spend hours trying to adapt stuff to it" and that's just not me.
If someone (Amiga Inc or whomever) wants to come out with a platform that "just works" like the Mac does, then I'll take a look at it. If "the new Amiga" is just going to be antiquated PPC hardware running a ported 15 year old copy of OS 3.1, forget it. It just doesn't work for me.
THIS is what I was trying to get across to Amiga Inc and the "AAC" years ago. Their response? Typical "ban the heretic" I'm afraid.
Wayne
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The new Amiga is coming out when the new Osborne goes on the market.
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Well,
I've got a dual-processer PowerMac G5 and a new MacBook Pro. I feel however, that these computers are only marginally better than PCs. Nothing like the way the Amigas were.
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TheWizard wrote:
I've got a dual-processer PowerMac G5 and a new MacBook Pro. I feel however, that these computers are only marginally better than PCs. Nothing like the way the Amigas were.
Apples to Oranges though (still no pun intended).
When the Amiga came out in 1985, it was light years ahead of the PC or anything else on the market for that matter.
In the world of desktop computers, there's only a finite amount of space available in the realm of what's possible. These days, there is literally no way that any desktop computer could come out (short of a complete revolution in hardware ideology) which could even hope to find that much room over what's already available.
It would literally take a quantum leap in computing of the Roswell magnitude for any new desktop to be nearly as revolutionary as the Amiga was in 1985.
Wayne
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I wasn't trying to illustrate current margins versus historical margins of innovation. I just think that although my current machines are faster and better in many respects, somehow they just don't stack up to the good old Amiga. :)
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Amiga was state of the art when it first came out, unfortunately they haven't progressed in the last 17 years so they are now far from state of the art. Apple has taken some good risks, the whole OS X thing, they've managed to put a Unix derivative on 3 percent of the desktops out there, no one has ever come close to that.
Want to tweak the internals? Pop open a terminal and a full Bash command line is there. Want to ignore internals? The GUI hides them from you.
The new iMovie is brilliant for short video projects, far more power and easy than the old toaster and completely run in RAM. Aperture pulls my 12 megapixel raw images from my camera and allows me to tweak them with ease. Garageband is fun. The new pages is a far better word processor than anything out there. Numbers, well who could say a spreadsheet is sexy? Numbers almost does it. Crickey the Mac is brilliant, it is cutting edge and it's what the Amiga has to compete with.
Amigas are great game machines, I love the old games, they are far more fun than the new games, but they've got a long way to go to be anything but a niche retro machine.
Amiga needs programmers, look at AROS, it's really the future, more so than the outsourcing company that bears the Amiga name. Running AROS on cheap intel equipment is the best way to save the Amiga. But there aren't enough programmers, the project is taking way to long. Once it's finished where are the programmers to do the APPs? AROS without APPs is nothing. You need the Aperture, iWeb, Final Cut type APPs, that's programming that few people will be willing to do with a promise of reward in the future.
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We have Mac's here @ DiscreetFX, iMac Intel, iBook, PowerMac G5, etc. We have a little of everything thou, except Visa.