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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Crestfallen on June 26, 2003, 06:59:42 PM

Title: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: Crestfallen on June 26, 2003, 06:59:42 PM: Hi All.

Just to let you know i had the Amiga 1200 Desktop Dynamite pack in 1995 but sold it after a year ( 1 bad mistake). I am not experienced with the Amiga but not a total newbie either. :-)

I'm not sure whether this question is h/w or s/w so here goes.

I recently purchased a second hand Amiga 1200 again and have some questions.

I have Kickstart 3.0 yet i have Workbench 3.1 installed on my HDD. How is this possible? I thought you needed Kickstart 3.1 plugged in to run Workbench 3.1?

Please advise as i know you're all experts. :-)

Regards
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: Linchpin on June 26, 2003, 07:01:40 PM: No you dont need kick 3.1 to run wb 3.1. I used to run wb 3.1 on 2.04 roms (if my memory serves me correctly).

Welcome back to the amiga world :-)
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: 4pLaY on June 26, 2003, 07:15:39 PM: Not totaly correct! you do need 3.1Roms in order to run OS3.1+ but you can softkick it! this means what the roms does will be done via software! this works ok (all though i dont like it) and it will give you a litle bit slower bootup! another negative thing is that if you happen to crash your HD or decided to format it will need to set up this once again and then you will need to install OS3.0 first then find the softkicker application of your choice and install this and then 3.1! if i were you id buy 3.1roms but your free to your own opinion.
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: KennyR on June 26, 2003, 07:16:51 PM: One of my A1200s came with WB3.1 on 3.0 ROMS too. It seemed to make no difference at all.
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: Linchpin on June 26, 2003, 07:22:44 PM: 4pLaY

Are you sure? I definatley used to use a higher version of WB than my roms. I remember, in the older amiga days OS 2.0 would NOT run on 1.3 roms, but i think after that to a certain extent they did. Anyway, to answer the original question - If its working... GREAT! You have answered your own question :-)

-edit

And, when i had my a500 with 2.04 roms, im 99.99% sure i used to boot os3.0 straight off the floppy.

Or maybe im wrong.. but it seems the question answered itself here.

Kevin
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: Brian on June 26, 2003, 07:28:54 PM: You need at least ROM3.0 to run OS3.1 but it can be a softkicked ROM also like in my A3000 with ROM1.4 that sofkicks 3.1. :-D

I belive however that you won't get all out of WB3.1 with only ROM3.0 and there's suppose to be some major bugfixes with the ROM3.1 aswell, also if you plan for further OS uppgrades ROM3.1 is a must.
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: Karlos on June 26, 2003, 09:47:28 PM: Strictly speaking the entire OS should be a consistent version/revision, so OS3.1 should be KS3.1 / WB3.1...

Having said that, WB3.1 ran ok on my KS3.0 A1200. There may be some small incompatibilites that lead to unusual instability but I can't say I ever noticed any.

If you intend to go 3.5 / 3.9 then KS3.1 is a must. I'm not sure if anybody is using 3.5/3.9 on KS3.0 - perhaps it's possible.
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: Gopal on June 26, 2003, 10:45:52 PM: My Amiga 4000 currently runs just fine with OS 3.1 / KS 3.0 But it will not allow an upgrade to 3.5
I´m not running any softkicker.

Gopal
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: Quixote on June 26, 2003, 10:55:17 PM: :pint: Hello, Crestfallen, and welcome to Amiga.org!

;-) As I understand it, most of the OS 3.1 features do not require the extra bits that comprise the difference between Kickstarts 3.0 and 3.1. However, a few of them do. Running OS 3.1 on KS 3.0 is very common, but occasionally, you'll get errors due to this, but I couldn't tell you what they'd be.

So, it's best to get real 3.1 ROM's in the long run, but it isn't really urgent.
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: elendil on June 26, 2003, 11:03:05 PM: I ran wb3.1 on 3.0 roms for a long, long time. It was not until I ran into AmigaAMP which required 3.1 roms, that I softkicked the machine to 3.1.

I have been doing that ever since, and now it softkicks from 3.0->3.1, 3.1->3.9 so it is a few reboots when you first turn on your computer, but it is doable.

The only problem with the softkicking thing (I presume) is that if the computer crashes badly enough, it is simply crashed. Rebooting it will make it do absolutely nothing. I have had to turn it off and on a few times to get it to boot again.

Sincerely,

-Kenneth Straarup.
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: Linchpin on June 27, 2003, 01:45:13 AM: Ok, on the same line.. what OS can i go up to with amiga a1200 and kick 3.1?
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: Vincent on June 27, 2003, 02:02:50 AM: @_LinchpiN_

On KS3.1 you can go right up to OS3.9.
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: Skyraker on June 27, 2003, 02:13:09 AM: @kennyr

Love the avatar man.....

Oh year , reason i'm here... have a joke for ya'all...

Mate of mine told me the other night after a load of swallies down the boozer he got home pissed as a fart.... well he actually said he was wankered but i'm not allowed to say that on here....

Anyway, he told me that 30 minutes after getting home he was 'blowing chunks'....

'Christ' I said, 'you must have been leathered'

'yeah ' he goes ...... ' chunks is my dog '

I'll get me coat...

Regards

sKy
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: Karlos on June 27, 2003, 02:26:32 AM: LMFAO! :lol:
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: N7VQM on June 27, 2003, 03:14:46 AM: As I recall, the primary purpose of 3.1 ROMs was to release version 3 of AmigaOS for non-AGA machines. Bugfixes, enhancements and extra datatypes were just gravy.
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: Elwood on June 27, 2003, 09:23:46 AM: I remember that some 3.1 C: commands crashed with a 3.0 ROM. Maybe you don't use that ones...
Title: Re: Hello All :-) Question for ya!!!
Post by: Crestfallen on June 28, 2003, 09:54:05 AM: Well in the end i decided to buy some 3.1 Roms which i have now fitted after much pin bending. :-)

Thanks for the help.