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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / General => Topic started by: uncharted on July 19, 2007, 09:12:28 PM
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Sorry for the OTT title, but I simply can't believe this.
I know it's from the Daily Hate Mail, but still...
Article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=467787&in_page_id=1879&in_page_id=1879&expand=true#StartComments)
I can't believe this is a mother talking about her child :-(
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That's pretty ****ed up.
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As for myself, there is an inescapable status issue to address. White women who have non-white children are stigmatised as 'Tracy Towerblocks' living on benefits, most of which they spend on lager and fags.
Oh dear.
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I think that was a very honest description of a mother's concerns over raising a mixed-race child. While I don't agree with some of the things she said, I have to commend her honesty.
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moto
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CannonFodder wrote:
As for myself, there is an inescapable status issue to address. White women who have non-white children are stigmatised as 'Tracy Towerblocks' living on benefits, most of which they spend on lager and fags.
Oh dear.
Yes, that part was a little uncomfortable to read.
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moto
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Since when have Indian races been "black" btw?
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Didn't you know? Black = Not White :roll:
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
Didn't you know? Black = Not White :roll:
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moto
Does that include Chinamen?
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Yes.
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
I think that was a very honest description of a mother's concerns over raising a mixed-race child. While I don't agree with some of the things she said, I have to commend her honesty.
Think of the child for a second. How do you think reading such an article would affect them?
Honesty or not, this is the kind of thing that would have better been discussed with family or a healthcare professional. These are people who could help her deal with this apparent situation rather than broadcasting it to the world (and I gather making a bit of cash out of the deal too).
It's not the underlying racist tones that bother me about this article, it's the way she is talking about her own child and the possible consequences for her in the future.
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motorollin wrote:
Yes.
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moto
I hope you are taking the p!ss.
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CannonFodder wrote:
I hope you are taking the p!ss.
Of course I am! I was playing up to the way she described her baby as "black" even though she is mixed Caucasian-Asian (or CaucAsian, if you will :-) )
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moto
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@uncharted
Fair point, there are better ways to deal with these kind of uncertainties than writing an article about it. However, it might help other parents experiencing the same uncertainties surrounding their identity in a mixed-race family. I would hope that by the time the child is old enough to read (and understand the implications of) the article, the mother would have successfully resolved her own issues regarding the race of her child, and would be able to explain that those uncertainties and difficulties are temporary, and that the child is no less loved as a result of her race. If that is not the case, then there is something much more worrying occurring.
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
CannonFodder wrote:
I hope you are taking the p!ss.
Of course I am! I was playing up to the way she described her baby as "black" even though she is mixed Caucasian-Asian (or CaucAsian, if you will :-) )
:-)
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Black, white, yellow, red, baaah! Treat them equally bad, I say!
:devildance:
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motorollin wrote:
mixed Caucasian-Asian (or CaucAsian, if you will :-) )
Call me thick but I never thought of that before :lol:
Mind you, I don't often think about this sort of thing.
(from article):
This is a role for which I am utterly unprepared. Part of me thinks I should be playing sitar music to her in her cot, mastering pakoras and serving them dressed in a sari, but that would be fantastically fake coming from me.
Is it just me or is she being stereotypical aswell as a bit thick and shallow?
Just because she's of partial Indian descent doesn't mean that she's got to "inherit" that life. She's in Britain, let her be British no matter what her colour.
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Vincent wrote:
Is it just me or is she being stereotypical aswell as a bit thick and shallow?
Maybe a bit.
Vincent wrote:
Just because she's of partial Indian descent doesn't mean that she's got to "inherit" that life. She's in Britain, let her be British no matter what her colour.
I can see your point, but I can also see how she might want to give her daughter exposure to Indian as well as British culture, since although she is of British nationality she also has roots in India. This is bound to cause somewhat of an identity crisis for the mother, who may feel duty bound to take on some aspects of Indian culture without knowing very much about it.
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
I can see your point, but I can also see how she might want to give her daughter exposure to Indian as well as British culture, since although she is of British nationality she also has roots in India. This is bound to cause somewhat of an identity crisis for the mother, who may feel duty bound to take on some aspects of Indian culture without knowing very much about it.
I might've missed it in the article itself, but what about the father? He'll be better as the judge of what Indian heritage he wants the kid to grow up knowing.
Or is the mother on her 3rd husband now? :lol:
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Or is the mother on her 3rd husband now?
Well she does look like Vicky Pollard so one never knows! ;-)
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Vincent wrote:
I might've missed it in the article itself, but what about the father? He'll be better as the judge of what Indian heritage he wants the kid to grow up knowing.
Maybe, but I expect the mother would want to be involved in that too. I don't think it would be very healthy for the mother to identify with her daughter as purely British and the father to identify with her purely as Indian, with no crossover.
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
Maybe, but I expect the mother would want to be involved in that too. I don't think it would be very healthy for the mother to identify with her daughter as purely British and the father to identify with her purely as Indian, with no crossover.
That's true, I didn't mean it to be as black and white as it sounded (or read even).
Tempted to change the wording of that but sod it.
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<- Colourblind, and proud of it!
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<-- blind and annoyed :-P
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Karlos wrote:
<- Colourblind, and proud of it!
Make that two!!!
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Horrible, why can't they just be parents of there beautiful child and not worry about what people say. I think when people speak about such things they are actually promoting inequality of the races. My Dad is German, my Mother is German and Polish. I never heard about racism until I was a teen and started watching the new and hearing such rubish. My ex wife was German, Swede, and part American Indian. I never gave it a thought as to the race or mixed status of my four boys. My point is pretty soon we will all be mixed nationality(race) if not already, so maybe we can all get back to being Human and caring for one another.
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adz wrote:
Karlos wrote:
<- Colourblind, and proud of it!
Make that two!!!
Et trois!
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CannonFodder wrote:
adz wrote:
Karlos wrote:
<- Colourblind, and proud of it!
Make that two!!!
Et trois!
Muahahahahahaaaaaa!!!! :devildance: :devildance: :devildance: