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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Mallette on July 11, 2007, 01:00:55 AM
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So I copied the System files from WinUAE to the Amiga drive and installed it. No good, no boot.
All I have is a Workbench 2.0 floppy which, of course, cannot see an IDE drive.
What did I miss? Seems like it used to be about that simple.
Obviously not...
Dave
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the system files? You need everything that is on the hd0: drive not just the system dir. (you may already know that)
nobody in your area can hook you up with some disks?
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Yep,I did it all.
Dave
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Ok, so I am assuming there is more. I tried the "Install" from WinUAE, but got to the end of the first disk and could not figure out how to insert the next image. There appeared to be no way to navigate. Obviously missed something...
But, even if I could, I noted that it simply requested "Workbench Disk" without specifying which one.
So, that's it for tonight. If anyone can give me a bit of guidance here I'd appreciate it.
Dave
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Hi Dave.
When the installation asks for "Workbench:" or "WorkbenchX.X:", it asks for the 2nd disk of the set (labeled -guess?- Workbench).
When you r trying 2 install via WinUAE, put ALL the disk set in the dfX:trays (in the configuration sheet), look for disks/floppies/somelikethat.
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Did you made the system partition bootable?
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first disk is install disk. second disk is the workbench disk. third and fourth disks are extras and locale perhaps. they're not critically important.
when you need to change the image in df0 (or any other drive) press F12 and swap disks.
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I don't have it in front of me so I can't take a look, but the disk swapping problem (other than no labels on the images) was that I could not seem to pull a directory on the WinUAE disk swap dialogue.
Actually, I am now wondering if it might boot anyway since I had copied all the rest of Workbench over before before realized one needed Kickstart, and that disk was installed.
Thoughts?
Dave
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Yak:
I am not sure about whether I made the drive bootable or not. Since it is being tried in a real Amiga I guess I did not really think about it and am not even sure what part of the HDToolbox dialogue that takes place in.
Dave
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Mallette wrote:
Yak:
I am not sure about whether I made the drive bootable or not. Since it is being tried in a real Amiga I guess I did not really think about it and am not even sure what part of the HDToolbox dialogue that takes place in.
If all you're getting is the insert Workbench screen then you have no bootable drives on your system. If your HD partition is marked as bootable but if the OS isn't installed properly the computer will still boot but you'll just be dropped into CLI immediately.
In HDToolbox, under the Partition's options, there should be a place where you can tick off "Bootable" or "Make Bootable" or something along that lines (haven't used 2.0's HDToolbox in a while).
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I am using 3.X (I think .5) Workbench. 2.0 doesn't do IDE.
Dave
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WB 2.0 does IDE just fine.
And you're supposed to boot from the Install floppy to install AmigaOS 2.x+
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To simplify things you could install your system in the usuall way (from Install disk) and then overwrite it with your UAE system.
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That's news to me. My 2.0 floppy does not show my HDD's, which are IDE.
Dave
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That has nothing to do with Workbench. Whether HDDs are visible or not depends on the Kickstart ROM and/or driver software.
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Why did you not try this link (http://winuaehelp.back2roots.org/started/main.htm)?
It's from back2roots , and explain quickly how to set WinUAE.
More (and complete) information/configuration you can read/have from several other pages around the 'net. I INTENCIONALLY don't give the other links, but look at:
Lemon Amiga
WinUAE homepage
Aminet (sic!):roll:
Eager Back to Roots
Ralph Babel (real Amiga only, not emulators)
Many others to recall all of them
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Looked at the links, read what I could. Nothing telling me anything useful so far...
Came home and tried loading all the WinUAE images to the 4 available floppies for install.
Of course, it insisted on booting uselessly to a blank workbench screen.
So, I thought maybe I could just get the basics from three, so I loaded install, main, and local...even though I had no way of knowing that those corresponded to since that is not what install asks for.
Install worked, but the second disk asked for was "Extras" None of them labled extras, so another "abort." I'd hoped maybe at least kickstart would be there, but I assume abort dumps everything so far so it did not boot.
Then I thought I'd just install 2.04 on the Amiga from my old set.
No install disk.
Sheesh, can't seem to get a break.
There MUST be a what to change disks from within WinUAE. All I can find is the "WinUAE Control" which offers no way to navigate to a disk.
Of course, even then you've got to figure out which of the image names in the WinUAE OS3 directory corresponds...but that is another problem.
Enough for tonight...maybe I'll get some input or inspiration before tomorrow.
Dave
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You're getting close. The Install disk adf file must be in DF0: The rest can be in any virtual floppy drive. F12 brings up the Winuae control menu which should let you swap floppies. You should also check other settings in Winuae and make sure that it has the proper kickstart rom image and enough memory etc.
If you have adf images of the Amiga software, you can copy them to your Amiga and write them to Amiga floppies. Winuae comes with a command line utility called transdisk to do this but there are more user friendly programs to do this as well. I use transdisk so I can't give you any specific recommendations about the alternatives. You need a working system to do this. This is where owning more than 1 Amiga comes in handy. If your Amiga has a CD rom, you can burn a CD with the ADF images and use transdisk to write them from the CD to Amiga floppies.
In any case, don't give up, it looks like you are getting closer to your goal.
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In WinUAE control menu, section diskdrives (or floppy drives, don't remember) you can put UP TO EIGHT IMAGES! At right of each little window there a button with (...), press that button and u can choose wath disk u want to put there. Put the 1st image disk on df0: (1st IS install, 2nd is Workbench, 3rd is Locale, 4 is Extras, 5 & 6 I don't remeber quite now).
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workbench 2.04 comes in 4 floppies. there are no 5 & 6. (2.1 comes in 5 floppies, 5th is fonts)
Also I never heard (and never saw) 8 floppy drives at winuae. If you're talking about the disk swapper function, that's another thing.
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WB 2.0 consists of three disks:
- Workbench
- Extras
- Fonts
Only if the Amiga came with a HDD, there was also
- Install
WB 2.1 added
- Locale
WB 3.0 added
- Storage
Certainly the Amiga can handle only up to four floppy drives and thus WinUAE too has only four emulated floppy drives. If you have more than four disks, you have to swap during installation by one or the other means.
Bye,
Thomas
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Sorry, kiddos.
My mistake on how winUAE can handle "floppies": you can put up to 4 "disks" at the same time, but you have "kickswap" function for each one (if in windowed mode, right-click on the icon in Windoz system tray).
I was referring to the 3.0/.1 set of disks when I said 6 disks. I KNOW 2.0 have 4 and 2.1 have 4/5 disks.
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Slogging through this picking up tidbits as I go. The F12 from within WinUAE after boot appears to be a MAJOR progress. All those issues I had with trying to keep mounted drives from booting are easily dealt with by mounting after the fact. I also figured out the floppy swapping using the same procedure after boot. However, I think the drive I was using (an old IDE for practice) has gone south as it refuses to mount after the fact, causes a guru (trying to boot) if inserted before the fact, and cannot be allocated or anything by Windoze even though it shows.
Still at a loss for what the WinUAE Control thingy is for. You can push eject, and it ejects...but you can't reinsert anything as all you get is a blank line when you hit insert. At least the F12 method works...
I'll try another drive later today and see if I can get something going.
Dave
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Quick trip to frustration tonight, quiting early. It wasn't the drive. My other IDE drive wouldn't show either suddenly, whether mounted before or after the fact, or WinUAE insists on booting to nowhere from them. Mounting floppies no better, they would not show unless I started DOpus, then still wouldn't open from icons. Close DOpus, they disappear. I certainly don't recall this on a real Amiga.
I won't quit, but this is really frustrating. Neither of my Amiga formatted drives would show tonight under the same conditions under which they were fine yesterday.
Dang strange.
Dave
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These are "random features"(=bugs) of winUAE. :roll:
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So, in short, here is where I am:
1. If I mount the target amiga formatted IDE drive before startup, it insists on booting. Since none of the other drives show up in WinUAE config, I cannot change the boot priority. BTW, this is "new." Drives, Windows and Amiga HDF's, used to show on the pre-start WinUAE configurator. Now they do not on two differenct PC's. Spooky...
2. If I use F12 to add a hard drive within the emulator, it shows in the configurator but does not show up afer "OK."
3. rkauer, thanks for confirming all is not well with some of these functions. Makes me feel slightly less insane. (Floppy changes done from within WinUAE show only in DOpus and disappear if you close DOpus).
4. Starting WinUAE from the dos command line gives me a kickstart screen if the Amiga drive is attached even though not configured. And, as mentioned in "2." above will not show after booting.
Blocked on every front. I shall not quit! There HAS to be a way out.
PS - OK, WinUAE REALLY is weird. Situation still as above, but when I clicked the "Make HD Image" button on the non-showing Amiga formatted drive...it started makeing one! Don't know what I will do with it if it completes (still in progress), but it is at least a new blind alley to explore.
PPS - Completed, mounted, and doesn't show... What a SHOCK!
Regards,
Dave