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Absolutely shocking (http://www.break.com/index/baby_shoots_his_first_gun.html)
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moto
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At least he made sure the kid has some ear-protection :-S
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WTF?! :-o
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Yeeeeehawwwwwww!!!
BTW, gotta love break.com, really shows how dumb some Americans are...
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That probably has to be one the sickest things I've ever seen...
When I was at School we were given rifle training, given full tution of how to safely operate the gun, ammunition handling and also safe firing range practice... but we were 14 years old, not 2... That parent is doing nothing for that child, The child has no undertanding of what is going on! Note also the lack of eye protection! A simple rule should be that if the operator isn't able to hold the wepon unassisted then he shouldn't be holding it at all, It's just dangerous to be touching a wepon without being in FULL control.
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bloodline wrote:
That probably has to be one the sickest things I've ever seen...
When I was at School we were given rifle training, given full tution of how to safely operate the gun, ammunition handling and also safe firing range practice... but we were 14 years old, not 2... That parent is doing nothing for that child, The child has no undertanding of what is going on! Note also the lack of eye protection! A simple rule should be that if the operator isn't able to hold the wepon unassisted then he shouldn't be holding it at all, It's just dangerous to be touching a wepon without being in FULL control.
QFT
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where else will they get the next batch of raw recruits spreading freedom in 2020?
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nadoom wrote:
where else will they get the next batch of raw recruits spreading freedom in 2020?
Hey boy, shouldn't you be off planning some neer do well activity?
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1 caveat. this is an idiot not the representative of all americans. i shot my first gun at 12 yrs old it was a 22 rifle(very little kick)and never fired another till i was in the military and was told i had to fire one(despite being a medical records clerk.)
your title insinuates this is normal for us. i am merely stating this is not normal in the us.
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What? You're implying that a country by itself cannot have fascinations? Surely not!
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jkirk wrote:
this is an idiot not the representative of all americans.
Yes, of course this is a stereotype and thus not representative of all (most?) Americans. However I know no Americans so only have stereotypes to go on! :roll: There is a common perception that guns are commonplace, or even expected, in America. Is that not the case?
jkirk wrote:
your title insinuates this is normal for us. i am merely stating this is not normal in the us.
Ok, I hope the title didn't cause any offence. As I said I just associated that video with my perception of America's attitude towards guns. If you are saying that this is not a true picture, then I will gladly consider changing my opinion :-)
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moto
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most americans would consider that guy a freak, a dangerous freak.
guns are common and in some places expected (i live in good hunting area) but his attitude is way off.
when i first read this thread i must admit i was a bit offended until your last post. if you truely would consider changing your opinion then consider this:
i have hunted for years and have several guns a 12 gauge shotgun for dear hunting, a 22 for small game and target shooting and an air rifle for target shooting.
they are all kept locked separately from ammo and my children have never touched either. if and when my children decide they want to hunt or learn to shoot i will teach them personally as i have taken safety courses and hunting courses and they will have to take them before they hunt as well. none will before age 12. and none will use the 12 gauge before age 18.
i can honestly tell you that that is roughly the attitude of most of the people that i know that have guns and use them. growing up i remember several times being at friends homes and someone wants to target shoot. so we go to a range and get a short lecture and demo before anyone handles a gun.
probably the only off thing i ever did with a gun was shoot up an old schoolbook at a range on the last day of school. it was a friends book and we took turns shooting it with a 12 gauge shotgun even though he knew he would have to pay for it. i guess he didnt like that class much.
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I think the perception that America is gun-crazed is common outside the US. It is certainly the image of the US I was brought up with. Of course if that is an error in my views then I will consider changing them, given the proper research to justify it of course :-)
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moto
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what exactly do you mean by "gun-crazed"?
i have seen numerous videos of people in some countries firing guns off into the air during weddings and funerals and protests and stuff. there are many countries were you can buy ak-47s, law rockets and stuff almost anywhere but the us isnt one of them.
that is what i would consider guncrazed, here in the us most people use guns for target shooting a couple of times a year,and hunt a few weeks out of the year; i know because i am one of them and have quite a few friends who do as well. it is always done in a responsible manner in a target range. now there certainly are freaks who dont but in my 32 years of experience i have seen none of that.
it is illegal in most places to discharge a firearm in city limits outside of special ranges. and there are laws concerning different types of hunting. in my area it is illegal to hunt with a rifle, that is why i have a shotgun. anyone who wants a pistol or special weapons has to have a permit
by the way i dont think that defending our right to have firearms is gun crazed is it? we control the deer and small animal populations very carefully with hunting. in areas were they dont deer cause millions in car, crop and property damage each year new jersey in particular.
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Slideshow (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20070713YouTubeTakferi.jpg)
six-year-old suicide bomber 'sent to blow up Americans' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=464441&in_page_id=1811)
Beheading by a twelve year old boy (http://bp0.blogger.com/_D2s5woTPKs8/RlXV1ICBGdI/AAAAAAAAAKE/nHywZynSWT4/s1600-h/talibansourceframes.jpg)
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@metalman
Got any opinions on the actual topic at hand, or are you just doing a spot of one-handed surfing again?
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@Karlos
Cognitive reasoning by the reader was required.
Since you need a spoon fed answer:
The title of the thread is a conclusion about US society in general which then leads to comparisons of how other societies view guns. Examples are from a dysfunctional society, with a morbid fascination of guns and death.
This is a magazine for children, which comes out in London twice a month (http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/1747.htm)
Kindergarten graduation, death cult style (http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1468wmv&ak=null)
Nahoul the Bee Replaces Farfour, "The Hamas Mickey Mouse", and Vows to Continue on His Path of Martyrdom and Jihad (http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1510)
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@Metalman
You obviously don't grasp the concept of a rhetorical question. I wasn't actually asking your opinion as it is clear in the time you have spent gracing us with your presence that you don't actually have one most of the time. Your contribution to almost any argument is simply to post links citing other people's opinion.
However, in the interests of fairness, do you have any opinions on the subject at hand, namely the alleged US fascination with guns?
Can you actually argue against the original implied criticism or is your ability singularly restricted to making childish "look, moozlems are even worserer, dagnabbit!" posts in response to absolutley anything?
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Karlos wrote:
is your ability singularly restricted to making childish "look, moozlems are even worserer, dagnabbit!"...
... while hopping from one foot to another and shooting pistols in the air ...
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moto
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Yospamite Spam?
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:lol:
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moto
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i have to agree with kthunder. here in the us guns are considered tools for hunting food and protection(snakes,bears,wolves etc.) now i would be remiss in mentioning handguns are considered tools for protection. in big cities the fear of guns is rampant so the pressure to own one to protect agains someone with one is high.
these people (the nra) (http://www.nra.org/home.aspx)are commonly associated with being the gun nuts here in the us. in reality tho they are only a political group preventing the government regulating away our rights to own and use guns.
i will never say there are no gun nuts in the us just not as many as people think there are.
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jkirk wrote:
i have to agree with kthunder. here in the us guns are considered tools for hunting food...
Isn't that what farms and slaughter houses are for?
...and protection(snakes,bears,wolves etc.)...
Hmmm, just like you, animals like to defend their territory too. Why should an animal die just because you selfishly invaded its territory?
...now i would be remiss in mentioning handguns are considered tools for protection. in big cities the fear of guns is rampant so the pressure to own one to protect agains someone with one is high.
IMO, that argument is a bit of a tail chaser. The fear of guns leads to more guns which leads to more fear which again leads to more guns, you see where I'm going with this?
these people (the nra) (http://www.nra.org/home.aspx)are commonly associated with being the gun nuts here in the us. in reality tho they are only a political group preventing the government regulating away our rights to own and use guns.
What about the rights of people who end up on the wrong side of a gun? Who's there campaigning for them?
i will never say there are no gun nuts in the us just not as many as people think there are.
Sorry, but even one gun nut is too many.
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Wow, I guess by the time that kid gets into college he will be well prepared. :-o
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amiga92570 wrote:
Wow, I guess by the time that kid gets into college he will be well prepared......
.......to massacre half his classmates with a few guns.
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adz wrote:
jkirk wrote:
i have to agree with kthunder. here in the us guns are considered tools for hunting food...
Isn't that what farms and slaughter houses are for?
if you live nearby on that will get you by but if all heck breaks loose and money becomes worthless then what will you do.
feed a man a fish and he will eat but a day, teach him to fish and he will live forever.
but if you don't live near water -- hunt:)
...and protection(snakes,bears,wolves etc.)...
Hmmm, just like you, animals like to defend their territory too. Why should an animal die just because you selfishly invaded its territory?
so you say i should die if one of them is in my front yard or even inside my house?
...now i would be remiss in mentioning handguns are considered tools for protection. in big cities the fear of guns is rampant so the pressure to own one to protect agains someone with one is high.
IMO, that argument is a bit of a tail chaser. The fear of guns leads to more guns which leads to more fear which again leads to more guns, you see where I'm going with this?
this is true but then again there are so many things that fit in this category
eg housing sales drop so businesses panic and fire workers fearing a recession leaving people without jobs which hurts the economy causing more to be fired thereby causing a recession.
another is. if handguns were outlawed only the criminals will have guns. so to defend myself you will need to get a gun making yourself a criminal. this continues until everyone is a criminal.
these people (the nra) (http://www.nra.org/home.aspx)are commonly associated with being the gun nuts here in the us. in reality tho they are only a political group preventing the government regulating away our rights to own and use guns.
What about the rights of people who end up on the wrong side of a gun? Who's there campaigning for them?
http://www.sbcoalition.org/articles/article.asp?Article=12
i will never say there are no gun nuts in the us just not as many as people think there are.
Sorry, but even one gun nut is too many.
while i agree with that. this is not reality to think that we can eliminate gun nuts. however we can promote a healthy viewpoint of guns and hope the message sinks in.
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jkirk wrote:
if you live nearby on that will get you by but if all heck breaks loose and money becomes worthless then what will you do.
feed a man a fish and he will eat but a day, teach him to fish and he will live forever.
but if you don't live near water -- hunt:)
My suggestion is to invest in gold, that will always be worth something, however, humans have been hunting long before the advent of guns, guns just make it easier. If money really does become worthless as in your scenario, how do you expect to pay for ammo, powder etc.?
so you say i should die if one of them is in my front yard or even inside my house?
Plenty more to kill you downunder and we seem to get by without guns. If something unwanted wanders into our homes, you simply pick up the phone and call for the local ranger to come and relocate it. Here's something to think about, if you actually have a problem with animals invading your home, it means you're living too close to their natural environment to begin with.
this is true but then again there are so many things that fit in this category
eg housing sales drop so businesses panic and fire workers fearing a recession leaving people without jobs which hurts the economy causing more to be fired thereby causing a recession.
Recession is the result of many more factors than this, ultimately, recession is just an ugly by-product of human greed.
another is. if handguns were outlawed only the criminals will have guns. so to defend myself you will need to get a gun making yourself a criminal. this continues until everyone is a criminal.
If someone is pointing a gun at you and you in turn point a gun at them, the chance of a shot actually being fired raises to near 100%, one on one leaves you with a 50/50 chance on being shot yourself, whats the point? Just give them what they want and you stand a better chance of actually living. Besides, handguns are completely outlawed here in Australia, do you see everybody walking the streets packing an illegal pistol in their jacket just in case?
http://www.sbcoalition.org/articles/article.asp?Article=12
Good, question is, how far do you actually think they'll get?
while i agree with that. this is not reality to think that we can eliminate gun nuts. however we can promote a healthy viewpoint of guns and hope the message sinks in.
No guns means theres nothing for them to get nuts over ;-)
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My suggestion is to invest in gold, that will always be worth something, however, humans have been hunting long before the advent of guns, guns just make it easier. If money really does become worthless as in your scenario, how do you expect to pay for ammo, powder etc.?
first off who says you wait till then to buy pellets and gunpowder? they store well.
second off this wouldn't be a permanant solution instead consider this a stopgap only until society re-invents itself.
thirdly bullets and gunpowder don't go bad and ship well so this will be preferable to people trying to store uncured meat without refrigerators(which you couldn't pay for electricity for.)
btw GOLD? i have serious doubts that this would be a worthwhile investment. who says that if something happens like this that people would be willing to give you anything for metal with no good uses beyong jewelry and electronics. just ecause it is hard to come by don't make it valuable. society makes it valuable.
Plenty more to kill you downunder and we seem to get by without guns. If something unwanted wanders into our homes, you simply pick up the phone and call for the local ranger to come and relocate it. Here's something to think about, if you actually have a problem with animals invading your home, it means you're living too close to their natural environment to begin with.
maybe but does that mean i have no right to protect my property? i think not. i don't own a gun(i am in town) but if i moved back to the country where i grew up i will have at least a .410 shotgun on hand. sometimes just the loud noise is enough to make an animal go away. but in case that don't work you may have to get lethal on them. (never shoot to injure. there is nothing more dangerous than an injured animal.
If someone is pointing a gun at you and you in turn point a gun at them, the chance of a shot actually being fired raises to near 100%, one on one leaves you with a 50/50 chance on being shot yourself, whats the point?
wrong, when a person knows you have a firearm they will think twice before even entering that situation. for those events that do happen you were going to get shot anyway.
in other words let's say some people want to rob you. they have guns if they know you have one too they will ask themselves if it is worthwhile and may decide to move on to easier targets. the few that decide to rob you anyway either don't care about their own life or are gambling you won't use your firearm. in those cases you are more likely to be shot anyway. you won't ever see the people who turned and walked away in your statistics so how can you say there would be no impact?
No guns means theres nothing for them to get nuts over
yea sure. next it will be crossbow nuts, bow nuts, sword nuts, knife nuts, bat nuts, boomerang nuts, steel rod nuts, pipe nuts, etc etc etc. you see where i am going?
if someone intends to cause injury or death to another person no amout of regulation will stop it.
eliminating guns is not the answer, but people think it is. this is akin to going to the doctor with pneumonia and the doctor gives you cough syrup for your coughing. it might take care of that symptom but does nothing about the root cause. for this problem to be solved the root cause must be identified and addressed.
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@ adz
Hi,
We know you Aussies would rather use a knife than a gun, why they even show that on American TV.
Me Myself I would rather use a crossbow.
Much faster, and more efficient than using a knife.
By the way it looks like most of those outback people use a bowie knife, I could be wrong, but the bowie was made in America.
I am one of those few that was trained on how to use a gun but I don't like it, and don't own a gun.
smerf